Demon Worshiping Vampires

[@MrFantocan]

there are 3 factions within the baali after each founder; nergal the bad, moloch the good, and the unnamed.

[@quintinjansevanvuuren9638]

Vampire : "Ayyy how about I damn myself MORE"

[@TheMapleTable]

Sounds like a good time

[@quintinjansevanvuuren9638]

@@TheMapleTable At that point if they're an undead affront to nature they may as well go all the way.

[@taylorvalerygrenier5621]

Are you a clan or a bloodline? Baali: yes

[@TheMapleTable]

And good at it too

[@almightytallestred]

Spot on.

[@entropicflux8849]

baali: all of your bloodlines can join my clan =)

[@MrChupacabra555]

Wow, that thumbnail gave me horrible flash backs from the 80s, and the Bad Old Days of the Satanic Panic (my mother STILL thinks Dungeons and Dragons is a gateway to the Devil.....good thing she never learned about the World of Darkness, huh? ^_^)

[@TheMapleTable]

Honestly my mom thinks the same. only now Im 35 and I can do what i want lol

[@taylorvalerygrenier5621]

As a Satanist myself. I never got why people think we're scary. Most of us are pretty chill xD

[@SpinDoc420]

LOVE THE THUMBNAIL. That's how you catch em ...amazing video and breakdown, but that not unusual from you.. 🧡

[@mpalfadel2008]

@@taylorvalerygrenier5621 every religion gets boring after 5 minutes Why would satanism be any different… Curious, given the satanism is a offshoot of Christianity that has little foundation elsewhere including paganism, (although there’s some evidence that Zoroastrianism may have been a principal source) does satanism incorporate the gospel of Judas? Thanks n I’m trying to be respectful so I’ll apologize ahead of time if I offend in anyway with terminology or dogma

[@9148H2]

Back in the day when I played Vampires the Masquerade I would change the Baali's origins. The way did the Baali was to explain more of the events of the city of Enoch and the Deluge. During the days of Enoch. Caine made more than just three Vampires. There were more of the second generation. One of them was a second Generation Vampire named Lamech who sought to overthrow Caine and obtain his power where he thought those who dare harm him will be damaged seventy seven times more than Caine. When Lamech challenged Caine in a one-on-one fight, it was game over. Caine eviscerated Lamech with one swipe of his clawed hand. Caine would remind his other Children who is in charge, but other Second and Third Generations would try again but trying to gang up on the dark father only to be obliterated as Lamech did. One Vampire who observed the sheer power of Caine was the city's first blacksmith and weapon maker Tubla-Caine who sought to name himself after the dark father. He saw himself very much like his maker Lamech and the dark father before him for he too killed his siblings. Like his maker Lamech, Tubla sought Caine's power but knew he would be destroyed as Lamech was in the process. In order to seek out ultimate power. Tubla-Caine needed guidance and sought the advice from others of his generation. He spoke to others who were not loyal or supportive of Caines rule about the possibility of overthrowing Caine, but they knew Caine is too powerful and had seen him destroy both second and third generations that dared to even try that left only three-second generations standing that were loyal to the Dark Father. Brujah didn't like Caine's rule and would jest about his battle skills about how he is just as good as a warrior as his maker Irad, but would never dare challenge Caine, Absimilliard is a skilled Hunter but is too afraid of the dark father. Ventrue is vain and arrogant but isn't stupid. The only ones who sought that maybe they could take down Caine were Lasombra, Tzcimice, Cappadocious, and Tubla-Cain. After the great flood so many of the third generation Vampires died, leaving only the clan founders as the only survivors. During the flood, Lasombra saw the abyss from the black void, the realm of the Wyrm that would entice him to seek a power greater than Caine. Tzcimice became interested in knowledge in hoping that through experimentation and evolution he could one day take down Caine. Cappadocious sought through gaining power over wraiths, spirits, and possibly Angels, he could one day diabolize the one that is even more powerful than the dark father, the Angellic ruller being Yahweh itself as his method to usurp Caine. Tubla-Caine has washed away from the flood but managed to survive. Instead of rejoining with the rest of his Antideluvian Kindred. Tubla was presumed dead with the rest of the third generation that didn't make it; but Tubla didn't die. He accidentally stumbled into the land of nod where he would encounter Demons who would entice Tubla with knowledge beyond his desires. Seeking to one day face and devour the Dark Father's soul for himself. Seeing the power of these Demonic entities, who were servants of the Wyrm. They showed Tubla forbidden knowledge. With this knowledge, Tubla would submit himself to these Demons and feed them souls in exchange for power and knowledge to one day become a powerful Demonic Vampire who would one day kill Caine and feed on his blood. Tubla would leave the land of nod as Caine did and stumble upon a village where he would convert the villagers there into internalists who would summon Demons into their plain through human sacrifice and throw the bodies into a well. Tubla would gain power from their sacrifices and in return, he would embrace three of the most loyal to him by feeding them his blood. Later the Antidellovians Salot, Malcov, Cappadocious, Tzcimice and others would encounter this village and see what people there are doing only to destroy the village of demon worshipers where they would get the blame for creating the Baali depending on whose telling the story.Without ever knowing it was Tubla-Caine the whole time who sired the Baali clan into existence. Believing that he is dead, Tubla would be free to work in the shadows to spread his Satanic Cult of Baali worshipers, and he will be their high priest to appease their Demonic Masters in hopes of obtaining his reward someday. Where he saw Cappodocious's goals to devour God as stupid and foolish. As powerful as Caine is. The angelic king Yahweh could just wipe anyone and everyone from existence with a mere thought. Obtaining power through pledging himself to powerful Demons would be more amiable. The clan founder Tzcimice would follow the same path when he made a pact with the Demon Kupala. Possibly finding out about Tubla-Caine's survival and methods might entice his desires to improve his desires to change and become powerful himself.

[@staceypadgett5126]

Nice! This one took me back to the ancient times of playing Vampire on mIRC chat in The Vampire Tavern and our small but wicked Baali shenanigans.

[@TheMapleTable]

They seem like a fun clan amd character concept

[@theelderkine]

One of my favorite clans; very cool vid!

[@TheMapleTable]

I learned a lot about them in this one

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

No idea what this is from but I'm digging the rich, deep lore.

[@TheMapleTable]

I should clarify, that the Baali clan is from vampire the masquerade

[@grimreaper4563]

Little correction, baali are not infernalists. They are demon users, no worshippers. Nergal himself wanted to become some sort of higher being even at the cost of cainite and kine society. Nergali themselves have similiar ways to Nergal. Granted they are less subtle than Molochim. Molochim want to rule over cainite society. they don´t want to burn it all to the ground because of it. Granted, there are some in infernalists among baali but the baali and infernalists are not one and and the same. That however does not stop any vampire from becoming a infernalist, any vampire can be an infernalist. Infernalist being in this case vampire that worships demons which baali are not. They do however use demons instead. Other than that, I think you got it pretty right. Also, love your content.

[@TheMapleTable]

Thanks for the correction, glad to help!

[@grimreaper4563]

@@TheMapleTable you are welcome

[@julienkouassi617]

How do they use them without succumbing to them ? What’s the difference between Daimonion and Dark Thaumaturgy since I see a lot of similar powers ? Can a Baali transform into a demon ? ( hell investments if I remember )

[@grimreaper4563]

@@julienkouassi617 Thing is, as a baali you don´thave to pay the price of the investment yourself. If you can get somebody else to pay price of investments and deals, all the more better. Why sacrifice your own soul when you can sacrifice someone elses, kindred or kine. And as far as how to do they avoid succumbing to the demons???well, willpower and manipulation and my friend. Baali value willpower, learning and scheming. The name of their clan is the hint, The name Baal means master. Last time time a really influental baali(Moloch) succumbed to blood bond with troile, the methusalah of Brujah clan, They were abandoned by other molochim. So in short, the baali think is that nobody should have control over you, whether your soul, blood or anything else.

[@grimreaper4563]

@@julienkouassi617 Also, dark thaumaturgy is like regular thaumaturgy, except that you learn it from demons. Now, Daimoinion on the other hand is a specific bloodline discipline much like the lasombra have potence. And yes, Baali can transform themselves into demons with enough demonic investments. some bloodlines of Baali actually sthrive for that.

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

Well you did go into detail in some areas but totally missed it in way more important areas. Let me see if i can fix it a bit...for more details please watch my videos on clan Baali, theres a lot of em as its one of the monst divided clans of all so - THE Baali is a misnomer. The Baali are divided from their very beginning into 3 bloodlines all of which have totally different alignments, goals and even powers. The Nergali are your typical stereotypical Baali, they worship demons, make pacts, want to become demons themselves (and at least 2 succeeded at that) They are however pretty open about who they are and what they are, breaching the masquerade left and right and ruling in southern america with unmatched power. The Molochim are directly opposed to the Nergali and think demons are dangerous entities. They frown on bargaining with demons, and they are very secretive, infiltrating other clans disguising themselves as one of them, very successfully so, theres a nice list how many lore characters of a clan are actually Baali, including quite some princes. Molochim are also the only branch in the Tal Mahe Ra and they work with tzimisce Kolduns to keep the Earthbound demons asleep and bound, sacrificng themselves to keep Kuppala at bay. Molochim thus have access to koldunic sorcery and teach dark thaumaturgy to the kolduns. The swarm Baali are aligned with the wyrm and are usually located in the wilds, alongside black spiral dancers with whom they cooperate to taint and corrupt the world. Then there is the Azaneali who are allied with Lasombra Abyss Mysticists and actually have obtenebration as their founder, Azaneal, devoured an ancient something deep under chorazon that turned him uinto a creature of living shadow, rumors are he found and devoured erashkigal. Those 4 bloodlines then subdivide into 5 schools of thought or sects. The destroyers who anna destroy the world, the children of enigma who seek knowledge at all cost, the celestials who want to turn themselves into divine beings, the order of the inner light who seek golcanda and redemption and the rulers who want to rule the world. - Baali are definitely a clan and have always been viewed as such in antiquity and the middle ages. They have a 3rd gen Progenitor are one of the oldest clans around. them having bloodline status is the same reason why cappadocians and salubri are considered bloodlines now - loss of their 3rd gen antedeluvian and small numbers. Officially they are said to be either the least numerous clan or the most numerous bloodline. - the Baali are actually the ones who created thaumaturgy and are the first users of it, they may have taught the tremere how to do it and are its real masters. Dark thaumaturgy and thaumaturgy are by rules almost the same thing and if you know one you can learn the other as if you already knew it using your dots in dark thaumaturgy to learn regular thaumaturgy and vice versa. They are also behind Dur an Ki of the assamites given ur shulgi is Baali as well. Their disciplines are daimonion obfuscate and depending on subset dark thaumaturgy or obtenebration or presence. thats for pure Baali. Converts are actually MADE INTO Baali by blood they keep 2 of their original clan disciplines and gain daimonion as in clan discipline in exchange for making their 3rd clan discipline out of clan They also had the first ever revenant guhl family in tjhe Dhabi and the 13 clans united FOLLOWING THE MOLOCHIM in a war AGAINST the NERGALI. which is very important to differentiate in special ans Moloch himself ruled openly together with the Brujah in carthage making it into their utopia.

[@RichterPhallos]

That thumbnail is great 😂

[@TheMapleTable]

@@RichterPhallos very proud of that one

[@greg61377]

Can a Vamprie Embrace a Demon possed host or can a demon take control a Vampire ? I havent played since 1e and the 1990s. was thinking about returining to the game. but just curious

[@wallybonejengles5595]

Maybe Caine could do that. But its a contested roll fo sho.

[@jarlupathingy7260]

Making deals with the devil and no mention of one fiddle off.

[@TheMapleTable]

I didnt think that needed to be said since its always a given :P

[@jarlupathingy7260]

@@TheMapleTable you're right. It's an obvious joke. Great video

[@TheMapleTable]

@@jarlupathingy7260 thanks dude. I cant always go for the l9w hanging fruit

[@MrChupacabra555]

Thanks!

[@TheMapleTable]

No problem! Thank you for the Super Chat!

[@musicisfree91]

Blessed be.

[@TheMapleTable]

Amen

[@AuthorJohnADouglas]

Omg that thumbnail

[@TheMapleTable]

I was pretty proud of it

[@Zakk9410]

I love the baali

[@almightytallestred]

Namtaru. Namtaru. Namtaru. Oh, was I not supposed to say that out loud?

[@BlackIce3190]

Oh, hell yeah.

[@TheMapleTable]

Damned right!

[@Drakon_Minaka]

I was looking around because I was very interested in the Baali. Someone, or well, two people far as I know, made books to incorporate the Baali into v5. Theres one on storytellers vault/drivethrurpg (only 3 dollars for the pdf on either site) and one on PDFCoffee (free). The difference, at least from what I'm seeing, appears to be in the disciplines. (haven't got the other paid one). The Baali Discipline of Daimonion is probably in both, just with a core difference. Baali of storytellers vault appear to have oblivion in place of Daimonion. In the process, Daimonion has become an amalgam discipline. The pdfcoffee version on the other hand makes it a proper discipline that only they can start with. So needless to say I prefer the storytellers vault variant as far as I can tell. Just thought you'd be interested in that as well! It's not official as far as I can tell, but it's neato. Unless you already knew about it, which is also neato.

[@entropicflux8849]

there's a certain logic to making it linked to oblivion since it draws in the same power as obtenebration classically, tho in a much different manner

[@Zeromegas]

They follow the Earthbound Demons as the other Demons gives a Rat's ass about the Bali but as a tool.

[@TheMapleTable]

I will have to look into them

[@rawrdino7046]

I'm confused is this for vampire the masquerade? Why is this in my recommendations? Is it cuz I look up diablo stuff?

[@TheMapleTable]

This is for vampire the masquerade, though im not sure how it applies to diablo or your recommendations

[@entropicflux8849]

"wait, you think they worship satan?"

[@mordredoforkney6185]

Vamp Geezers: "Yes, this is fine. Tszimice have their flesh chairs and nosferatu have their rat-ghoul men. All is well." NERGAL: "How about.....demons too?" Vamp Geezers: "Nope, too edgy. Erase Him." Baali, 2020: *Symphonic Death Metal noises*

[@TheMapleTable]

rip and tear

[@micahjohn7085]

What happens if a cerebrum hoo is with god. won’t to devote to the demon

[@R1zl4anarchy]

nice lore whatever this is

[@TheMapleTable]

Vampire the masquerade

[@simpleevan3583]

Are they good to cross over with a DtF game

[@TheMapleTable]

I dont think that would be an issue. I cant say I'm terrible familiar with DtF

[@ComingSoonEntertainment]

Yes and no. It debatable if the demons follow are the same as the Fallen from DtF.

[@sugarjumper45]

yeeeeah im gonna be honest if youre consorting with the Black Spiral Dancers you probably aren't the "good: guys.....and thats relative to WOD.

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

As a malkavian and Autarkis, I have to say *Fuck Infernalists.*

[@emperor002002]

🤳 "Hello, is this the Imperial Inquisition? Good, I found a cult of heretics that have turned to Chaos. Yes. No I don't know what Chaos gods they've fallen to. Oh, they've taken to drinking human blood and calling themselves Vampires. No, they aren't Blood Angels or successor Astartes. Umm you may want to exterminatus the entire planet, it's all of them. Oh no, I didn't set foot on the planet, I'm already out of the system." 👀

[@TheMapleTable]

Heritics, all of them

[@emperor002002]

@@TheMapleTable ☝🏿😃 for the emperor?

[@musicisfree91]

@@emperor002002 The Emperor protects.

[@nalrashido]

Ironic in 40k's past there were "Vampires" but they were basically Chaos Daemons in human meat suits who need blood to sustain themselves.

[@joelbonet8319]

So is this world of darkness lore?

[@TheMapleTable]

Yes, vampire the masquerade specifically

[@joelbonet8319]

Ok the 13 Vamp Clans is what made me think that. Always surprised they never did an online game similar to GTA online but with WOD story line

[@TheMapleTable]

@@joelbonet8319 actually they were working on one for a while, i Beleive it was supposed to blend vampire, werewolf and mage together in some kind of MMO but eventually the project got scrapped

[@jasont3958]

With respect, as I just last week nudged my wife into watching your Starfinder videos and have enjoyed your work personally, Thank you, bare with me. Dude... I had to say something. I kind of figured it'd be about VtM Baali or VtR Brood of Belial. I won't say that I didn't used to be a mega WoD fan (your WrF and WtO? That's cool. CtL and GtSE intrigue me, VtM 5e is neat, is WtF out?) Anyway, I didn't appreciate the thumbnail. We will squint the eye and say, "Is this the one?" Modern day actual practitioners of dark schools of mind and heart are not a joke, are quite real, quite dangerous and self proclaimedly evil. The real world advocates of baal we're a detestable people doing abominable things and deserved the destruction they wrought upon themselves in choosing the evil thing. I apologize if you see this as self promoting opinion or public service announcement... God bless you.

[@TheMapleTable]

glad your a fan, didnt mean to be off putting to anyone.