2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R Review | Lessons learned

[@alegio3]

Owners can readily improve 2 items mentioned in negatives: lcd screen can be set to night mode all the time (orange background) and the handlebars have a second set of mounting holes to bring them closer for enhanced comfort. I enjoy my 1290r 3.0 very much and is a big improvement over the 1.0 that I also owned.

[@Jim-hm7fb]

The forward 'racy' bar position suits the bike. I've seen lots of people who have tried the 'comfort' setting going back to the original as you need the forward weight bias to manage the bike.

[@Kickassdave]

I love your reviews as they are more aimed at someone like me who isn't ripping it up on tracks week in week out, or racing through country roads with my knee down. I can relate to what you say in your reviews. Another great and honest review. Thanks!

[@patdwyer6274]

Agree totally.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I appreciate that - I too get fed up of all the wheelie/track day stuff you see on so many KZbin channels (mostly form pro journalists) - in the real world most people don't have the skills/desire to ride like that (I don't) and I try to cater for real-world!

[@LambChopRides]

Fair points Andy, only negative you mentioned I dont agree with is the riding position. I like the semi forward riding position saves weight on your arse and it's more comfortable longer distances

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Try it with short arms Chops!

[@LambChopRides]

@@TheMissendenFlyer yes good point!

[@markbaker5221]

Move the position forward on the handle bars simples👍🏻

[@t4ketsuru]

those i dont really like how the bike already has the softwar, but you have to unlock it via "pay wall". Its like the farce with the BMW planning to make heated seats where you pay a subscription to use it

[@grumpsrides42]

Unfortunately, a factory fitted Akrapovic exhaust can, won't be much louder than stock, as it has to meet the same noise/emissions requirements as stock. Better to save the money, and fit your own aftermarket can.

[@billcotton1551]

The sunlight hitting the bike makes the orange and blue pop.

[@robertakerson7186]

That deal about having the parts all on the bike but having to pay extra to actually allow them to function seems to me to be a way to hose the consumer; not a good recommendation for KTM in my opinion!

[@tomtraynor5384]

Riding position: Thank God you can get a $24 dollars 1-inch up/3/4-inch back handlebar riser in orange even.

[@simondhar8021]

Hi the aggressive riding style can be changed simply by moving the bars to the closer position to you as there’s two lots of holes there to change it and if that’s no enough you can then tilt the bars up more so this gives you the same sort of riding position like the gen 2 hooligan mode 👍🏽👊🏽✊🏽

[@kmfiz]

Thanks for the info

[@59pontiac68]

Owners Manual recommends that the bars be in the forward location for Track use - is this the factory (showroom) position ? I bought mine used - bars were in the forward location, but unsure if this is "standard" ?

[@kmfiz]

@@59pontiac68 yes my 2020 were in forward position when I bought it new.

[@59pontiac68]

@@kmfiz Great - thanks for the confirmation. Kind of implies that moving the bars to the rear position is potentially less stable (?)

[@Kurlach]

Nice balanced review Andy. I absolutely love mine but don’t disagree about the negative points (although I am taller and find the riding position bearable for long treks). Overall, it’s a great bike and I’d advise people to go for a cheaper Austin Racing or SC Project slip on, both of which have better sounds. Good vid 👍🏻

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good call on those exhausts Chris!

[@Icem4n84]

I got the AR can on mine. Personally I prefer the look and sound of it. It's cheaper too!

[@whittlad]

I second the AR can and it sounds epic and if you ask AR nicely you might get a discount👍

[@1ridgy]

Had Austin racing can on my RSV4 factory, loud, very loud 😎

[@mrkang4080]

Am I the only man with any sense? AR is simply the worst exhaust on the market... sound like shit, brutally loud, and looks just awful. Nothing competes with the Akra from a performance perspective, but you're all squids for focusing on sound over performance. Unreal, I'm shook.

[@ourspanishadventures]

Good review once again Andy as always very informative. Something I've noticed over the years is that you don't have a tendency to repeat yourself that I really like. Ride and stay safe. Lewis

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Gill - appreciated!

[@hedgehog3900]

So happy to see the "negatives" list is not just paying lip service. This is as i am sure you know very important to those of us (and that is most i would say) that can think in a joined up manner. good stuff.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I try and convey the things I would look for if I were thinking about buying the particular bike concerned....

[@Rayk76]

Can't wait till u review the 2021 s1000r and new Tuono 🤘

[@adrianroberts4287]

And the 2021 monster

[@billybean7488]

I love mine and agree with you 1000% about the slip on Akra, I specced mine with that. HAted the sound so just sold it and gone for the full Akro Evo system. Looks and sounds awesome. Trouble with that is when that is fitted (as its not a road legal system) and they upload the KTM Akra map the bike wont start if indicators are connected. Like most things there is a work around by fitting a 10 sec relay loom but we shouldn't have to do that. Having said that the Full Akra system is a complete game changer! Other mod I made was to raise bars 25mm, make a huge difference to the aggressive sporty position in my view. keep the vids coming!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Crikey what a load of faff!

[@pippipster6767]

For me personally the bike is too extreme. Fabulous looking bike as you say. I have the Super Adventure 1290R. Like that riding position. No wider than a moped. Very powerful. Does everything.

[@scaff3450]

bit picky on riding position and exhaust great when baffle is out agree with having to pay for track mode etc not good Had mine 6 months now and still smile every time i look in garage and when riding great bike Love it

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good stuff! Enjoy....

[@headlesshorseman2165]

Straight pipe needed!🤣🔥 I own a 790, but I and I definitely do not agree with the options it’s daylight robbery with the 1290.

[@Kickassdave]

When the 790 comes WITH a quickshifter, then yep.. absolutely agree... they are taking the mick asking you to pay extra for those items!

[@soupdragon1]

Austin Racing Can only on the 790 sounds brilliant check my vid if interested best one you can get for 790 imo

[@soupdragon1]

@@Kickassdave The 790 does come with a quick shifter and all modes enabled.

[@MrMikey1703]

G'Day Andy, Great Wrap up. Bought mine last October. The Handelbars can be moved back about 15 mm which really helped with the canted forward feeling, but I totally agree that the Akrapovic pipe is very disappointing, considering I paid $1500AUD. My Dealer refused to charge for the "electronic extras", but threw them in. All in all, I'm incredibly happy with mine even though it took me 5000klms to get used to how insanely powerful she is.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes amazing bit of kit isn't it - ride safe!

[@ilmostro16]

You can’t fault the Akrapovic can if the bike still has the catalytic converter. That is where most of the sound is lost and no can will change that. De-cat the bike and the sound from the Akrapovic will blow your mind.

[@osirisfilmproductions]

you can when its £1699

[@colinmcfarlane2042]

Picked mine up earlier this year as an ex demo for a great price. So, so happy with it & compares very favourably to a previous Ducati Monster 1200R. It had all the packs included & dealers appear to be including these now & the quick shifter is great. Disagree about the riding position as I find it very comfortable & I don't get on well with sports bikes at the age of 53. Its way more comfortable than my previous Kawasaki H2 SX SE+, which was putting me off biking due to its lack of comfort. Fitted with a SC Project slip on, it sounds & feels better than the very pricey Akrapovic for much less money. One real gripe is the turn by turn nav doesn't work as KTM changed the app for it, which now doesn't support the pre 22 versions. Your mention of the switchgear being good , I agree except for the indicator switch as cancelling them is not very positive at all, but otherwise a great bike I intend to keep for years.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one Colin....

[@Firestorm637]

I own a second Super Duke! Love the engine. The SD makes more horsepower and torque than just about any bike including the Streetfighter V4.until 9500. A naked bike the engine should be visible like a Lambo. The Streetfighter engine really not visible as a semi naked. SD is street useable rpm vs track high rpm of Streetfighter. SD is easy to work on vs V4’s. Great review!

[@Robbiemoto]

Not sure if you’re aware but there are two positions for the handlebars. You have to undo the handle bar itself and move the mounts back. There are two sets of holes machined in the top yolk. KTM recommend the forward ones for racing, and which I believe is the standard factory position or you can bring them back slightly which gives you a slightly more upright riding position. I myself found the factory position too far forward. And contemplated bar risers until I stumbled upon the other handle bar position.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I didn't know that at the time, but a few have mentioned it since....

[@stableslayers3958]

Reliability would be the only thing I worry about with this manufacturer- been there done that 💩

[@f1hotrod527]

Yup, same here. I have not heard much about the 1290's, but the 790 and 390 sure seems to have lots of reliability things floating around.

[@SPCOOPERR]

Out of all the independent British KZbin motorcycle vloggers you always have been and still are the best when it comes to reviews! Not even in the market for a 1290 but still watched anyway because KNOWLEDGE IS POWERRRR :D That Blue and Orange colour scheme looks far better, the blue pops out in the sun! And that switch-gear looks like a good move forward.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

That's very kind of you Shaun, thank you very much (made my day!)....

[@SPCOOPERR]

@@TheMissendenFlyer you're welcome! It's worth mentioning your videos on the Street Triples helped make up my mind also.. had my '15 Street Triple RX for about 2 years now and loving it.. Just debating sports touring rubber to replace the Rosso's..

[@SickBikeDude]

Austin racing exhaust (GP1RS) with out the baffle and with the orange tip option. Color etched😎

[@jimkim23]

You can change the handlebar and footpeg positions, looks like that bike is in the most sporty setting 😜👍

[@52yamahar1]

So you can set it up for a more upright riding position for longer rides?

[@jimkim23]

@@52yamahar1 yeah, and the footpegs can be moved up and down for a better knee angle 👍

[@mbpm6135]

I was very much a victim of the marketing department when I bought my second gen in '18. Just had to have it, so I did. I agree on the sentiment of the electronic packages. Despite that, I bought the quickshifter and Akra mapping. The track pack is still on the list. No I don't like spending several hundred for a coded paywall, but holy hell, that quickshifter is GOOD. There's a lot of complicated tech involved in smooth downshifts. Nonetheless, I think KTM is doing themselves a disservice selling these things separately. If they were standard, they'd have a MASSIVELY strong sales argument over the competition. The grand or so that these packages cost combined probably aren't that big a deal on top of the MSRP when you look at the prices of the Tuono / SFV4S / MT10, but they DO annoy everyone when purchased separately. That same grand could be used on a stiffer steering damper or better fork internals. Areas that aren't quite as good as that absolutely bonkers addictive engine.

[@lovelessissimo]

I understand that manufacturers are in the business of making money, but it is quite telling that they paywall an electronic code. They had to go out of their way to equip the bike with a quick shifter, then make the conscious decision to simply make it inaccessible.

[@bradleyalexander5821]

Agreed having to pay extra for a software upgrade to use, essentially parts already there, is a kick in the bum. Especially a bike that expensive. On principle alone, I’d trade my dollars elsewhere, if in the market. I believe the review aspects of the channel are indeed a great resource for anyone looking at any of the many bikes you show.👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎

[@WALLY7714]

Finally a review I actually learned something. Great job and Thumbs Up all the way!!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Trevor_Austin]

Charging you for features already fitted but disabled means KTM is a company whose products I will avoid. Chiselling customers means they have mean, penny-pinching management which instantly means they can not be trusted.

[@eubikedude]

It's not chiselling customers, it's letting you add it when you want it easily. Much less labour to add to every bike at production.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Just think if they took tips from a certain electric car company that allegedly disables such electronic add ons when the vehicle is sold to another user. Only for the new owner to have to purchase them again should they want them.

[@Trevor_Austin]

@@eubikedude I disagree. All of these features have been installed but disabled. Their cost of manufacture has already been taken into account. No extra components will bolted on, no additional parts added, no work required. An example of this greedy chiselling was IBM. In the 1980’s they were the biggest computer manufacturer in the world. They’d install a computer system and a year or so down the line “rent” you an upgrade. Depending on how much you paid you could quadruple the capacity of your hard-drives and cut access times down by 75%. This work consisted of removing inhibiting jumpers on control panels and an a upgrade of the O/S (which was merely inserting a few characters) to enable the “improvements” to take place. IBM are no longer the biggest computer company in the world. Their customers found better (more ethical/less unethical?) suppliers.

[@Trevor_Austin]

@@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse Absolutely. This “theft” is what aircraft manufactures do. If you want to fly it at less than minus 60ºC you must purchase it. It’s a change in the manual. Use a different towbarless tug, you purchase the change the change in the manual. The same is done for engine thrust, operating weights, take-off performance and so on. And you pay per aircraft. Thieves! And as for airlines, they are no different. Search for “If airlines sold paint”.

[@nicomonkeyboy]

That paint job is enough reason for me...

[@Gambo916]

A big Thumbs Up on the correct pronunciation of the Ah-Krap-Oh-Vitch pipe this time Mr Flyer. Whilst I like that KTM focus on the high performance aspect of their bikes (something that personally appeals), the things that put me off buying one (either new or secondhand) are the numerous and well documented reliability problems they get with gearbox issues and porous crankcases, even at very low mileages. Those are most definitely not easy or cheap fixes, so I feel KTM need to get their act together on that score before bringing out the next new whiz bang model with a big price tag.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough!

[@gregbrickl]

Your number plate is a little small. UK needs to increase the size by about 10% so you can see it clearly from space with the naked eye.

[@dougie1325]

Haha, it has to officially be tea tray size. If you can’t fit an English afternoon tea with cakes and sandwiches then it’s too small.

[@billypower3349]

😂 😂 😂

[@paulocarreiro5855]

I have an '18 SDR. The sportier riding position is a strong selling point for me. I don't like the marketing behind selling software add-ons, so I didn't buy them. Was surprised when they released the 790.. with everything turned on!

[@robertwbeams9929]

Absolutely agree with your Positives (from this armchair perspective!) and would be happy with a 15k purchase. If only the niggles weren't there, for that price. Especially paying extra for the quickshifter and Acrapovic exhaust. The latter connected by hose clamps didn't impress, never mind the weedeater sound. Am never impressed by a new bike that needs parts replaced as soon as you get home from the Showroom. Sorry for you Ducati. Compliments on a fair Assessment of this impressive machine. Compliments to KTM for supporting you.

[@peterhird3542]

Hi Andy, Thanks for the review. I’ll be in the market to update my ride shortly and this bike was on my short list. I’m in agreement that after paying a premium price you still need to pay extra for features that are already fitted. I was surprised to hear that the riding position was slightly aggressive. I can suffer from lower back issues at times and this maybe a deal breaker. No use getting a new bike that causes discomfort. You’ve given me food for thought...thanks for enlightening me 👍. Keep up the good work. Cheers 🇦🇺

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned for my StreetFighter reviews soon....

[@mickthemaverick5998]

The thing that concerns me about "pay extra to have it enabled" means that amateur hackers are going to try and hack into the software themselves to enable stuff which could result in dangerous accidental alterations to the software. Not a sensible path to go down in my view!! Great review Andy although I still don't like the looks!1

[@4tech69]

As far as I understand the software update has to be downloaded to be installed. It's not actually on the bike. Even if they could get into the ECU they couldn't trigger the download without very specific information that isn't on the bike, and if thy had that information, they would need to hack the ECU.

[@iamtherealzombie]

@@4tech69 I don't believe that is the case, at least in the past you just had to enter a code to unlock the functionality.

[@tomtraynor5384]

Fiction. No. Do you think KTM would want that liability? If you can’t afford the $750 track pack which a good dealer will discount for you-you have no business buying one .

[@andrewgibbs5135]

KTM: An addition to my garage rather than a replacement, methinks 🤔. A great review, many thanks.

[@PaddyWack999]

Loved my Beast 2.0 but was miffed to have to pay to unlock all the goodies. My Z H2 cost less and came fully loaded. As much as i'd love to try the 3.0 model I won't buy another KTM until they stop ripping customers off for what is only a software upgrade. Great review as always mate.

[@Icem4n84]

I bought the AR can, personally I think it sounds better. Cheaper too. But a great assessment. I really like the dial to adjust the rear suspension and on the left side there is enough space to put a chain through the frame to lock it to something.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Steve - thanks for watching and for stopping by!

[@LexPips]

Really like the KTM 1290 but prefer my Aprilia Tuono, either are top of the line bikes though. Overall good review.

[@randyheiser5367]

I have a 2019, one of the best bikes I've owned. My biggest complaint would be the engine braking.

[@spennyy2k]

Another good review but I would disagree about the riding position/comfort. To me it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden and can be out all day without any issues at all.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes it's way more comfortable than a sports bike for sure - but not as comfy as (for instance) the Ducati Streetfighter - at least not to me with shortish arms.....

[@spennyy2k]

@@TheMissendenFlyer my previous bike was a gsxs750 and that used to kill my knees.

[@gareth8472]

I agree with you about the software extras! It's €700 for the KTM SA-S Travel Pack here in Ireland. Crazy for a plug in change. Some might argue that it's necessary to cover R&D costs etc but for example €300 x 10 customers is alot better than €700 x 0 customers 🤷

[@Reza.El-Fatih]

absolute brutal honest opinion! love it! thank u!

[@matthewoliver9055]

Didn't think it sounded that bad to be fair, sounded throaty enough, love the blue paint finish looks great in sunlight

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It does!

[@HippoDrones]

I do like the super-nakeds, very much looking forward to the new Speed Triple 1200 being announced next week! :-)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Stay tuned - I shall have a video uploaded as soon as the bike is announced!

[@Syncronizeification]

When TMF does videos in the nice weather..... Makes me really S.A.D :(

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Me too - roll on summer!

[@Ni3K]

Just configured BMW S1000R and closed the page, when it went beyond 20000,- EUR ...not cheaper!

[@eubikedude]

Say it the way the manufacturer says it. :) Software isn't free to develop and having things "enabled" makes it easier for the customer to get something without a long visit to the dealer and more labour costs. If they had OTA updates (like Tesla) you could just add a feature via your phone when you can afford it/want it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good point!

[@wheaty1050]

hi Andy i still love my Ducati Multistrada 950s ,not a KTM fan boy always seems as the Computer Software needs updating ,also prices vary in different areas ,look out for 790s going cheap now the 890 has arrived lol ,

[@portaltwo]

Here in Canada, you can pick up a new (discounted) 790 for around $9,900 (£5,700) vs an 890 (no discount) at $13,700 (£7,900). Plus the 790 comes with the quickshifter and track pack already activated as standard. Mind you, unless price is your main criterion, the 890 is still the far better bike, IMO. 😎

[@philmccaul4699]

I've got a gen3 and think its superb, I agree the PP Akra can sounds and looks terrible, most owners stick an Austin Racing or SC Projects can on. Coming from a sportsbike background I really like the riding position and prefer it to the gen2, you don't talk much about the handling of the bike or the quality of the WP suspension but it is a revelation and really enables you to push it particularly once set up. Switchgear? The only thing I dislike about the bike is the crap indicator switch which is far too difficult to use for what it is. VFM? Even with the Tech Pack and heated grips etc its cheaper than a V4SF and for me much more pratical than a Tuono.

[@TronciM]

The power is incredible

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It sure is!

[@simonrobinson7536]

Cracking review as always, do agree things like the quick shifter should be standard, then maybe the track pack as an extra. Love the colours

[@Near2Future]

I really want this to be my next bike. It's so sexy, but the issues people are having with it are putting me off. I ride in all weather and a few hundred miles at a time.

[@LeeXRV]

Excellent review as ever sir! I also agree it’s cheap to make everything an options pack when it’s a very expensive bike to start with, some German car brands also do similar with expensive cars when considerably cheaper cars has those features as standard I.e. cruise control.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, I understand why they do it but it is a bit sneaky....

[@LeeXRV]

@@TheMissendenFlyer it does work, I have bought many expensive german cars but I’ve done it through gritted teeth when these features are ‘must haves’ for me. I’m terrible but when I buy a bike these days if it’s available (standard or feature pack) I want a quick shifter, heated grips and cruise control.

[@dougie1325]

The new OEM exhaust can is better than the old one but still a BIG NO. Get an Austin Racing or SC project on that beast. Whilst I’m there it would have to have tail tidy, bar end mirrors, Powerparts seat, pillion seat cowl and a few other trinkets.

[@nickthequick]

Funny thing with all you guys wanting "more sound" or "better sound" or "louder pipes" and what have you, and being willing to spend a small fortune on it. Personally I love a quiet bike (not e-bike quiet though), but maybe that's because I mostly do a lot of long-stretch touring ... I agree that it's a nice looking KTM and I also like the new colour scheme

[@KevinofWessex]

Loud pipes...show boating its immature..👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I'm with you on touring bikes Nick, I want a nice note but not too loud. If I'm riding a hooligan bike for short periods, the louder the better! ...although my neighbours would disagree!

[@nickthequick]

@@KevinofWessex I guess we can all be a bit "immature" once in a while. I mean just being "proud" of your bike and wanting others to appreciate it the way you do yourself could be considered a bit immature, even if you're doing it in a toned down sort of way.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed.....I'm not claiming to be mature of mind (even if undeniably physically i am).....

[@marcoluoma3770]

Thanks for another great video. I love that we live in a time with an embarrassment of choice in bikes. For example I have absolutely no use for a bike like this, but isn’t it nice that for people who do, voila.

[@mihaicostescu]

Comparing the ride comfort position of Superduke 1290R with S1000RR…which one is comfier? Keep it up, awesome reviews!

[@Bhg265]

In the US, insurance on an s1000r is absolutely brutal. SD for whatever reason is a fraction for full coverage. Makes the price difference easier to stomach.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

How odd...

[@NSR500V4]

Totally with you about the extra software upgrades, if u buy a bike u should get the whole bike. But that's how cars are and bikes are following, not a good way to go. In my opinion

[@nickbrown3232]

Always buy a KTM November/December time, because of the wahusive discounts. Just bought a GT 13999. down from 17000. Agreed about paying for soft ware releases, quickshifter should be standard as on gt.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one

[@connor6766]

Theres a setting to keep it only in night mode, if thats you're a bit annoyed of it keeping changing on you.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes thanks for that - someone else mentioned - that's that problem fixed then!

[@nazgul9]

Nice, loved the complete review of this bike, keep up the good work 🤘

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks, will do!

[@christophermcreynolds6001]

An honest review as usual , thanks for that and a happy new year to you.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Happy new year to you Christopher!

[@skts2610]

Gotta say, I’ve got an H2SXE with a grands worth of Akro on it, I ended up stripping the can to remove the tack welded retaining bolts to then remove the twin outlet baffle.... Sounds the dogs danglies now, but obviously you wouldn’t expect to have to do that, not after you’ve paid premium money for it!!...

[@PaulMorris-UK]

Thanks, been looking at these for a while. You sealed the deal I will be going for a black one. SC project Exhaust is on the list. Anyone recommend a decent tail tidy and some bar end mirrors?

[@pjbaddict]

Good review fella... Akro exhaust is pants, Austin Racing is the way to go bars come back 20mm makes all the difference believe it or not

[@soupdragon1]

Good series of reviews on the 1290 thanks and agree its a fantastic bike

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@juanpablocorrea2042]

You're a legend mate! Greetings from Colombia!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Greetings back!

[@andyorange7666]

Good review. Absolutely agree about the Akra, they aren't worth having any more, beautiful quality but they've got too quiet over the last few years and the baffles are totally inacessible now, also very expensive. A Yoshi or SC work well, AR are a bit chavvy for me. You rarely see a track bike with an Akra installed now on track days, that says a lot. The riding position is fine for me at 6'2" and don't forget the bars are adjustable. I agree re: the QS, it should be included. The Track Pack I understand more, not everyone wants it although it is a fantastic 'mode' and not just for track, I hope you tried it. Price wise, you can get a brand new one OTR for about 14.5k including the full tech pack (QS, track etc). Personally I highly recommend the SDR, I'm on my third, great bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you're enjoying the bike Andy - thanks for watching and stopping by!

[@Motobikereviews]

Paint is very thin on this bike, its damed by electrical problems. you have to pay for everything, Quickshifter, techpack track pack etc.

[@sl077766]

I've fancied a 790 Duke as a second bike for a while but a friend had an SMCR that went back to dealer after proving so unreliable. Same friend also got rid of his Multistrada for low speed fuelling issues which is totally acceptable with modern engine management systems (as KTM has proved). I think the exhaust, being an OE option probably still has to meet certain noise regs (at least in the eyes of KTM, if not the customers). Also agree about the charging for options that already exist on the bike - they should just add a nominal amount to cover it and have it as standard. If I could afford a 1290, I'd have one though (as a second or third or fourth bike :D )

[@motojauntx]

Such a beautifully styled bike. Totally love the look!!!

[@Carvetii]

I went from GSXR Suzuki to a Kawasaki Z1000 being 48 as i wanted more comfort and a more upright riding position with that fun factor and for my next bike I was seriously looking at a new Superduke R but now you have deffo put me off one as I do a lot of miles when i am out riding and don't want that sports bike riding position anymore

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It's nowhere near as extreme as a sports bike - just a reach if you're short of arm (like me) - have a sit on one yourself......or wait for my upcoming StreetFighter videos ;0)

[@SteffanHarries]

I think the Akra exhaust sounds great! Sound is as subjective as looks I guess 🙂

[@danielryan5384]

Personally I think Akra are overrated, sound too similar to oem . AR +SC sound Awesome !

[@sigberetta72]

The 690 SMCR comes stock with the quick-shifter…. Not sure why the SuperDuke can’t do the same? By the time you buy all the extras, you will have $20,000 in the thing! It’s excellent, but that’s too much money for me… I’ll have to live vicariously through you guys and ride my little SMCR!

[@timhaslum7461]

Great review as always, one piece of info id like to see on a review is how far the bike will go on a full tank of fuel, I appreciate this would only be possible on your long term reviews. I have an MT10 which I love but if I had known just how often i’d be stopping for fuel I may of looked at other bikes. I like the idea of a Super Duke but would go for the GT just because of the larger fuel tank. Love the channel, keep up the great work.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Tim, will do!

[@Nell1052]

I can see why fuel range is an important issue, the Empty Ten is aptly named 😂

[@timhaslum7461]

@@Nell1052 the dealer told me this! After I handed over the cash 😂😂😂

[@patdwyer6274]

Price (too much), looks (horrible), colour scheme (gaudy & cheap looking), comfort (crippled after an hour's ride), software upgrades (pay more for what's there already)?? No thank you KTM! Great info Andy. That's another one off the list.

[@MegaJasperdog]

Enjoyed watching this thanks 😁 never owned a ktm but seriously considering one of these ... love the channel too 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks! 👍

[@rogerkay8603]

Was waiting for the mirror comment lol Am liking my little 390, if I go back to one bike for all tasks I'd be tempted to weigh in that and the XSR700 against a 790 Duke......

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sorry Roger...at least I'm consistent!

[@rogerkay8603]

@@TheMissendenFlyer Consistently good too Andy.

[@anthonyfox2836]

Great review of a bike that I’m intrigued by . I’d like to see a direct comparison with Ducati and BMW models. Thank you Mr. Fly

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Coming soon!

[@peternishan1009]

Since you're a Triumph fan boy the new speed triple may be your cup of tea We will see next week

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed - stay tuned for my bonus video on the bike at midday on Tuesday.....

[@marcomendoza8278]

Love my Super Duke, only complaint is the horn button is small and sometimes hard to find by feeling for it

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

A common problem on many bikes I find - when I need it in a hurry I can rarely find the horn on any bike I ride!! Does that make me a bad rider.....??

[@Nekminute]

i own the 2.0 with 60 000 km on the clock and counting. I dont want to upgrade to the 3.0 because the power is the same

[@docmarten8382]

Ooops! Late to the party... Well, well, well Mr Flyer, you’ve set the cat amongst the pigeons in my world. Dilemma I’d say, noting your observations it is definitely time to take a test ride post C-19 lockdowns. TBF... not TMF! You have presented a well balanced and fair appraisal, and if I were a KTM suit, I’d be OK with the review....just need to get bum on seat to compare notes etc. Having both a BMW and KTM, I too and lets say, brand aware... loyalty? Yes in some way... but when it comes down to the choice of a bike, its as critical as your choice in comfy shoes.

[@timpilbeam9549]

Very good review as always Mr Flyer 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Tim!

[@haste953]

I agree with most things but you can't compare the SuperDuke to an MT10 which doesn't even make 160hp or a S1000R which makes 165. The SuperDuke makes almost 180 and has way more torque. The SuperDuke also comes with better brakes, way better suspension than the MT10 and just in general has more features than the Yamaha and even the BMW in some cases. The real competitor I'd say is the Tuono V4. You can compare prices sure but in reality you need to go specs for specs. I'm not saying those other bikes with less power are bad but the SuperDuke is more expensive for a reason.

[@teneretraveller8980]

Nice review. In a garage of ten I'd have a ktm, but alas, a tragic lack of spons presents this. Happy travels

[@ghowells5433]

Great review, really comprehensive. Would you take the steetfighter or the sdr.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Have to wait for my StreetFighter v SDR video coming soon!

[@DanTube2010]

I suspect the cat is muffling the noise to quite an extent.

[@lordgibbness]

And the huge baffle box sitting under most eur5 bikes.

[@crumblymal8479]

Like it good one Andy different slip on for sure I agree .Leaves a nasty taste 👅 havin to pay extra just to plug into a computer to get the quick shifter that’s already there , and change the bars for me a toss up between this and a GS I’d have to test ride both . : )

[@stephanedaoust8520]

Thank you for a great review especially about the Akra slip on. I'm going to delete it from my order - what do you recommend?

[@Dan-56]

I think you can thank the Euro 5 regulations for the sound, or lack there of, from the Akra muffler. After running through no less than two catalytic converters and a pre muffler, there’s not much sound left even if you made it a straight through muffler....which it may in fact be 🤨.

[@martiniv8924]

Akrapovic exhaust, unfortunately due to the law, you will have to butcher the decibel killer out, welded in on the last one I bought, not like the 6mm bolt/circlip to remove on older exhausts.... it does remove a lot of weight though , from the Bike and your Wallet 🤣 She looks Gorgeous 👌🏻😎

[@alexmorgan3435]

I think you covered all bases. How much extra do KTM ask for the QS and Sports pack? As you say a bit cheeky on a bike already costing £15.5k. For me the cheaper BMW S1000R, MT-10SP, Tuono 1100 and even the Speed Triple RS are more practical or maybe even the previous gen SDR. I don't remember you being so critical of the riding position of the earlier model SDR. The warm lazy days of summer seem a distant memory. Thanks as always.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Don't they just Alex!

[@martiniv8924]

Apart from the fact it’s a Motorcycle, the complete antithesis to your (new) Gold wing , that’s got to be a great starter for a two bike garage there 🤔

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes agreed - that garage would do me for sure!

[@lttraxler2994]

Hi Andy, thanks for reviewing the SDR. Having owned one for about 7 months it was interesting to listen to your views. As for that travesty of an exhaust, I agree with you on the underwhelming sound, but disagree on the looks. It’s awful! Just as ugly as the stock one in my opinion. With regard to the quickshifter, most decent dealers would hopefully chuck that in for free at point of sale. Mine did anyway. Totally agree about the reservoir covers. Most owners will swap those pretty quick for the anodised power parts. Anyway, totally love mine, so thanks again!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur! Thanks for watching and for stopping by....

[@peterdutton302]

A krap o vich is how the locals in Slovenia pronounce it

[@tombraathen531]

@Pete Pester I guess the main thing about getting Akro is that the warranty still stands, while if you use any other type of after-market exhaust, you may end up with a void warranty.

[@tombraathen531]

@Pete Pester fair enough, that’s a calculated choice.

[@dsimon9s29]

Thank you for posting. Great looking bike. Maybe one of these years I will acquire one.

[@dsimon9s29]

@Viktor Sligo What you said and showing up with yet another bike might result in my wife sending me to sleep in the backyard without a tent. (it is winter here) :) Granted my current stable is not as numerous as TMF's, but saying "honey bunny, the love of my life, TMF has a bunch of bikes. Why can't I have more? His wife lets him!" usually invokes the answer of "are you a lemming? if TMF jumps off a cliff, are you going to jump right after him?" to which I would answer "depends on which bike I am ridding". It kind of goes downhill from there. :)