2018 BMW C Evolution Electric Scooter Review

[@IanFitzHarris]

Fantastic. Keep the scooter reviews coming! Bikes like this need more interest from the internet, your review will hopefully shed much needed light on this sort of innovation. Reverse mode - Mind Blown.

[@tazzzxcsd]

love the sound track accompanying your intro on this one, very funny, I nearly spat my tea out when I heard that :) well done again.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you spotted that!

[@tomblewomble3369]

Been researching these for weeks and this is the most comprehensive coverage out there. Thanks very much.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad to be of help!

[@joshnnik]

Great review, wish my CRF1000 had a reverse gear at times especially for getting it out of the shed. Love to see Honda do something electric on the NC range of bikes.

[@wolfpackpete6408]

I heard that Honda have stated they'll pull out of the motorcycle market if it goes all electric. Exactly why I'm not sure, they'll probably change their mind later.

[@hermanstokbrood]

I drove one last year and was really blown away by the way it combined comfort, fun and practicality. They are still expensive, even when you want an used one. There are very few on the used market.

[@scottyb1637]

You have probably sold more BMWs than any of their salesmen ever have. I'm considering one based mostly on your reviews. BMW should give you one of these (or your choice) for being such a great ambassador for their motorcycles. Another great review.

[@BN1960]

275kg! Blimey - does it have its own gravitational field as well? Glaring omission of an adjustable screen too.

[@rockafella1690]

Nigel Tabb Not needed, there's no wind on electric vehicles.

[@davidcarr4991]

Video here showing one being built: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqOoY4RqmNqfl7c Given the size of that battery pack, I'm surprised at how low the range is.

[@diogomonteiro8014]

Every object with mass has a gravitational field, its an intrinsic property of mass.

[@Carl-LaFong1618]

@@rockafella1690 how about a windmill on the back and it will recharge as you drive.

[@earlebacciochi9796]

Hi Flyer, Good to see someone review all types of 2 wheelers without prejudice.If the small number sold reflects the cost of production + some profit, then when mass produced and with competition, price must tumble.👍

[@dudeonart8492]

Ironic your opening scene should be passing a petrol station!!! You should have been laughing at it or flipping it the bird or something - Lol. Great vlog as always Missy - keep it up. Cheers Dude (hope your cold is getting better!)

[@pastie3131]

Blimey, phasers on stun....I guess until we are all using hover boots and dilithium crystal powered skateboards, this is what the future might hold. I’ll stick to good old internal combustion for now, but I love the way you give a thorough and unbiased review as always. Another great job. Thanks TMF

[@pauljones6175]

Great for going to work and back but the price tag is crazy. Great review as always.

[@SINIS0RSA]

Maxi-Scooters must be a great platform to electrify. A possibility to install batteries under your shoes to lower the CoG and they use cvts anyway so it's easy transform for a rider too. :)

[@WatermarquePaul]

Interesting review TMF. They’ve got to be the future with fuel £5+ per gallon, I wonder how this stacks up on running costs including servicing etc. Definitely a long term test scoot if you can get one.

[@Neohurricane]

Love the electric shock TMF intro! 😁

[@sandslifestyle850]

hi i like .but no many

[@fiandoperdana8385]

Oh my, this is one of the review that I've been waiting for! Thanks mate, superb content as always..

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You're welcome!

[@nigelren3719]

Gentlemen, I’ve not had 1 cold or flu in over 10 yrs. You sounded a little under the weather TMF. I make (veg n fish) curry with GINGER ROOT, (also plenty garlic and turmeric with black pepper). Eat it frequently and you’ll never be ill again. Nice scoot and review TMF!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I had eight colds this last season....yep EIGHT!! I've so got to move to a warmer country...

[@bonnie-voyage1005]

I live in Thailand and got a cold. Bloody tourist keep bringing them over with them.

[@nigelren3719]

Cure for the common cold, you're welcome

[@lornescott-wilson6144]

TMF: Australia (& NZ) have what you are looking for :-). It is nearing winter in Brisbane and temps are 13-24C. Beautiful riding weather every day (rains only occasionally in winter and in summer you don't mind a bit of rain here and there).

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep - that would do!

[@gregk.1831]

Enjoyed the review, like the electric intro sound, well played.

[@Miata822]

Good review. I share your enthusiasm. I've ridden several electric bikes and I am on my second electric car. For whatever it's worth, sail mode is actually the most efficient mode. I wish it were available on electric cars. While regeneration is cool and is truly efficient in stop and go traffic it is easy, almost unavoidable, to regen on the open road when you are not trying to slow down. Regen at best only returns about 30% of the energy it consumes to the battery. On the open road at a steady throttle constant small variations in toad surface, incline, and wind have the bike often exceeding the speed of the throttle setting and a small amount of regeneration occurs. With the typical 20-25% regen efficiency that means 75-80% of that energy is wasted, and you weren't even trying to slow down. These small moments of regen don't waste that much energy each time but it does add up. The very most efficient way to drive or ride is to never use the brake and coast to aq stop when you must. While this is not practical or safe keeping that fact in mind can help you remember to slow well ahead of stopping by gradually reducing speed. My 53 mile range Chevrolet got an indicated 70 miles of range today by driving carefully. It's fun to try to get m,ax range but it does require a high degree of attention. The bike I rode with the highest potential for efficiency was the Brammo (no longer in business). It had a traditional motorcycle gearbox and even a clutch. This could provide either very high efficiency or mind bending acceleration. To sail I could just pull in the clutch. And range... there is NO motorcycle today that gets 500 miles range. Mine get about 150 miles before the light comes on but that is likely just me. As DC quick charging becomes widely available (it is already in the UK) and bikes get quick charging ports installed (available on Zero motorcycles today) you can stop and simply grab a handful of electrons while on the ride. It's really no harder than gassing a bike and considerably less hazardous. DC chargers are Much faster than AC chargers and the new European standard ones will be faster still. As always, I really enjoy this channel. Thanks for posting things about bikes other than the usual bike magazine headline machines.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for taking the effort to write that lot Alberto...interesting reading - all the best - TMF

[@MrNobbyify]

Yes, you must always keep an eye on the toads. 🐸

[@peterbaader334]

I tried this one when my own motorcycle was in the shop for maintenance. Was positively surprised by the power and smoothness of the thing. As Luke wrote: Perfect for the city!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed - top urban transport, nicely put together too....

[@Chijousaikyo]

Would you do the review on the new CE04?

[@fermitupoupon1754]

Doesn't the UK get the Long Range version? That's got 160km range on a full charge. Or 100 miles for you imperial types.

[@thebingleywheeler]

Great for the environment (although there is a small quid pro quo in terms of grid energy used for charging). Be interesting to see if battery technology can evolve to a point where a full recharge can be executed in the same time it takes to fill a tank....that will be the game changer!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed it will - I bet that time will come...just a matter of when!

[@jofuji8255]

Glad that you’ve raised foot position as a positive. One of the reasons I prefer a scooter to a motorcycle is the opportunity to change the position of my feet. My last scooter I could put them in three different positions. Made a huge difference and comfort and especially back ache. Horses for courses and all that. 😉👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF

[@bobbralee1019]

Does it use a type 1 connector ? most public chargers are type 2 now and this might make it hard to get charged away from home. I have a BMW I3 at home and that also uses type 2 so I wouldn't be able to charge the C Evo using the same lead, not great

[@christopherlamb9838]

Must be a first, a TMF vlog without a white van! Riding home this evening, I got stuck in the middle of a convoy of Swiss Army M109 Self Propelled Guns. I had a serious "oh mummy" moment when I saw that long menacing 155 mm barrel poking out at me from a side road with no sign of stopping. Made my KTM 790 feel very very small ....

[@therealunclevanya]

Christopher Lamb normal service at 5 mins, TMF caught up with a white van

[@christopherlamb9838]

Missed that one, was focussed on the TMF's explanation of the display.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well spotted!

[@RutgerSmets]

I still love the "Bahnstormer" name.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yeah who ever came up with that must be very pleased with themselves!

[@mr.g161]

love the pickup in speed. these vehicles are gonna change the way we live. petrol cant compete with that.

[@rob-in-the-marsh5311]

I probably missed it but what is the range on one full battery charge?

[@jimbinger]

Great vid. I’m intrigued to know how you integrate your phone video with your other (GoPro?) camera. Nice technique.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Just within the editing (separate the video and audio tracks)....

[@jimbinger]

Many thanks! p.s. A Triumph lovin' Yank here. Cheers

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Where in the US are you Jim?

[@jimbinger]

TheMissendenFlyer Fort Worth, Texas... Not a native to the area, but enjoying the extended riding seasons. My mate in Minnesota has yet to take the cover off his K 1200.

[@scottishgirlbiker2291]

Any chance you could do a review of the honda nc750x/s?

[@spetersonmusic]

We'll have to start calling you "scooter bro" lol. Good fun, all in good fun. That thing looks like something from the future, no doubt. Such an interesting time!

[@sandslifestyle850]

i like your music

[@waynecompton7612]

Thank you for the review and video TMF, and Take Care 😎👍🇬🇧.

[@scottyb1637]

I totally agree with you about the range. If these got over 300, I would get one. Quick charge stations would also make them more appealing.

[@andyg7429]

Great bike Mr Flyer, what amused me is all that technology & it's not keyless ride when most of there other models are!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I didn't spot that!

[@stephenlatchford9850]

If you mentioned it already I apologise, but are these bikes free to tax? Another great review TMF

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don’t honestly know Stephen - I should have looked that up!

[@windycityben4850]

Great review mate! Very interesting machine. I’ve never ridden an electric bike, or a scooter at that. I wonder how it would look sitting next to a 1967 BMW /2 Ha Ha. Safe travels mate! Look forward to your next review!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Ben, if you get a chance to have a go on one go for it....they are a hoot!

[@hoxtoncurry7437]

Great review and commentary (as always)! Loved that buzzing backing sound when your logo was displayed ha ha made me laugh. Great sense of humour:) But yea, currently I’m on the XT1200ZE (after two GSes) and tbh if I could afford having two bikes, the Evolution Plus would be chained next to my Yamaha on my drive way... (for London commuting and possibly not only if the range was bigger). It’s just the matter of time I suppose..

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I think you're right...these things are getting better all the time...

[@ChaohsiangChen]

Seems that it still gets more range than Harley 48 and 72.

[@hartley383]

Another great review. You commented on how much easier it is with no gears and clutch when commuting, also a great feature of Hondas DCT system. We're certainly set to see more and more electric bikes on the road, for urban work they make so much sense. May i suggest a security feature to the manufactures. It detects when some little scrote nicks the bike it channels its full battery power through the saddle.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I’m liking that idea!

[@paulmarks7185]

How was the C Evolution for lane sharing and maneuvering between cars?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fine!

[@jc5146]

Just had a quick look on ebay and saw one for sale with a learner plate on? Is this classed as s learner bike ?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Incredibly I think it is yes!

[@strangelee4400]

noob question but what category do electric scooters fall under? Do you have to do any weird CBT tests or anything? Obviously they can't go by engine cc.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No, no weird CBT - categorised by peak power output like any other bike I think...

[@Helloitsmejohn1]

I've seen these with L plates can it be riden on a cbt?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I honestly don't know...

[@briansteele2723]

I loved seeing one of these beat all the T-max tossers off the lights the other day. Just fantastic. What licence do you need for the bike ? A2?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don’t honestly know....

[@edwardleniston1076]

Interesting review TMF, really don’t like the “dayglow ” side panels. Biggest question about any of these vehicles is the long term life of the batteries and the cost of replacement. Batteries don’t last forever.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good point.....I guess we'll know a few years down the line...

[@pellowd]

but they can easily be refreshed and recycled. Nissan are about to roll out refresh options on the original leaf batteries. Just slot out the originals and replace with new ones.

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

Nissan has had battery options for years. It's $5k to replace 40kWh. They had a program where you could basically rent them too and Nissan would continue to own them afterwards... b/c even after the cells aren't suitable for auto use they're still at ~90% capacity for other uses (ie battery wall).

[@hestolemyname1352]

Really appreciate the content

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks...

[@hudsonrilke]

Beam me up Scitty, he'd have to be careful his wig doesnt blow off. Liking these electric bikes. Scooter makes a lot of sense

[@nesanrockstar5296]

Hello sir, can you please do a review both of the latest Yamaha Tracer 900 2018 and the GT model? I am waiting for your review sir. Thank you.

[@dayriderschat]

Maybe the next vehicle to finish up my aged riding days.... Very cheap to run and maintain, so the initial cost would be vindicated...I believe that the batteries last for at least 5 years ... Great review as usual.... By the time I'm ready to buy they will probably be hovering above the ground, and running on radio waves transmitted form the road surface .... Hahaha!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

:0)

[@chrisfifield8583]

Hows the bike and its battery holding up ?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I dont know, I don’t own one….

[@robduncan599]

I think you'll find sail mode (coasting ) is very efficient . If you get into hypermiling that is the most efficient rather than trying to recharge , keeping up momentum is king in hypermiling . I can get 740+ miles from a tank (64 mpg ) from a VW 1.6D golf plus, hypermiling without doing anything to silly . A dutch guy with a Tesla can get 600km 1 charge hypermiling , (my wee bit of trivia ) This bike looks FAB . Tks for great video.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Coincidence you should say that - I had a conversation over breakfast today with a pal who has a diesel golf and does exactly the same sort of range by driving efficiently!

[@roscocsa]

It's an interesting process to watch, these modern electric vehicles evolving. Obviously the motors are spot on, the electronics are there. Comfort, design. What's lacking is battery tech. When they get 100-150 mile range and even 10 minute charge to full....

[@mikek2218]

What a sweet bike. I'll take one please. LOVE the quiet. I look forward to the day when all forms of transport are this silent.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I think you may be in a minority amongst the existing biking community!

[@mikek2218]

Yes... I probably am, for now, (I also have 3 ICE bikes). But I am an EV convert after owning a Nissan LEAF EV for the past year. There is no reason for the noise, and just as much fun can be had without all of the oil and petrol. I thank you for exposing the gear-heads to better alternatives. You have the credibility to get their attention, whereas I do not.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Mike....

[@PsychoPaul13]

All the way through this vid it looked like the “bike” was swaying from side to side 😳. Did it feel unstable to ride.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No I didn't notice anything....

[@saddle8bag]

I love my electric lawn mower. I'd think these things would be killer for short work commutes or city living. Hell, if my body hurts any more I may have to give up the longer distances anyway. This should at least get me to a diner out in the country for lunch and back.

[@jason83ok]

Good job again sir,possible to do review of the 2018 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE next?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

It's in the can Jason - it'll be uploaded on Wednesday May the 23rd....

[@jason83ok]

TheMissendenFlyer awesome! thank you!

[@glenwhyte2555]

I hate to admit it is a very well put together "scooter"... 12k tho wow ! Like you say tho it is early days.. my dad's first first flip down sony mobile was 400 quid over 20 years ago which was very expensive at the time. Thanks TMF for another great insight.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Glen and thanks for watching - TMF

[@jeffreyhurst9552]

Fascinating. I rode the Harley Davidson electric prototype a few years ago. Too bad they never built it. Thank you

[@HiByeDi3]

They are unveiling the electric line-up next year!

[@davidshipkiss]

Good review TMF as always, I’ve been interested in these for a while and I’m sure one is in my future one day, for commuting, as you say once they’ve sorted the range issues out.. Any idea of the servicing intervals and costs? I wonder what an MOT for an electric bike would be as well!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers David - and I don't know I'm afraid...my bad, should've asked...

[@klausknudsen106]

Looks nice, but it seems to me that the front tire is running the wrong way round??

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well spotted!

[@fireblade8905]

I will watch it when I finish work

[@paulleggett9735]

It costs the same as an R NINE T but is as practical as a Forza 125. Suppose comparable to a tmax 530? I would really worry about commuting at busy times (primary scooter use? ) in something silent.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough....

[@lodgecav490]

Earplugs for me are only used for wind noise, I cannot hear my Bonneville's engine at all at 70mph, it's drowned out by the wind. Filtering in traffic with no sound will be a bit more difficult, what would RJ do? lol. Good review, thank you.

[@dazzabenson5498]

Good review as always. Range is the big issue with me, I travel from High Wycombe to London on a regular basis which is only 70 miles round trip. How good would this bike be for filtering as well? Keep up the good work.....

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes quite a big old beast for filtering it has to be said....

[@alanjones923]

Would you know how much it costs approx to charge the scooter up from say 50% to 100%?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No sorry Alan, I don’t....

[@sharpbends]

So does it have rear brake controlled by left hand lever, where clutch lever is normally operated ? Interesting wind/engine whistling noise it emits.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes it does....

[@sharpbends]

TheMissendenFlyer These would be great bikes to use in industry on large closed sites, warehouse, airport, ports etc particularly that you could ride it indoors without any emissions.

[@splodge57]

Great idea, ride it indoors never get wet again... but her indoors may have something to say about it.

[@sharpbends]

splodge 57 I'd be riding it indoors to charge it in the kitchen and next to my desk at work ;-) Need to chain to the desk anyway so it doesn't get nicked !

[@johnrimmer5812]

I'm guesing but standard 3 pin plug ( UK) with an adaptor for the scoot?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

err, I'm ashamed to say I don't know - I didn't have the bike long enough to need to charge it!

[@mickeypopa]

I may have got this completely wrong, but isn't "sail" mode potentially the most efficient one? To my understanding it cuts the power completely when the throttle is off and you spend no electricity. Right? So you wind her up and then only occasionally tap the throttle to keep the speed and every downhill stretch is basically a "free ride". Which means you don't even need regenerative braking, just use the throttle sparingly.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes that’s my understanding too....great fun to use too...thanks for watching...

[@mickeypopa]

Sure thing, thanks to you too for reviewing this scooter. :) Coming from scooters, they will always have a place in my heart. I personally don't think we'll ever get to 500 miles per charge (or anywhere near that) simply because of physical limitations, but even if it's 150-200 that would be fantastic if nothing else than for the short weekend trips outside town. Electric ones are really something else, stealthy little buggers. And so easy to own, nothing to worry about except keeping it charged up. :)

[@paulharrison8155]

I rode one of these a while back and was well impressed although did end up buying a MK1 T-Max mainly due to cost This scooter would be perfect for the daily commute unless, of course, you worked more than 80 miles away from home. Leave home on a full charge then charge for free at work for the journey back. What's not to like? The bike I rode topped out at a maximum 85mph on the clock and had a 85 mile range showing with a 92% charge I liked the regenerative braking feature around town but 'Sail' mode out of town is also quite fun. The downside is the cost . For me it would have to be a used model. Low mileage (ex demo) models come up occasionally for sale at Motorrad dealers so you do get a BMW backed 2 year warranty but what you don't get is the £1500 Government EV Grant as that remains with the original owner, which is it's an ex demo the dealer has had. I'd be looking for another £1500 off any price the dealer places on a used C Evolution

[@jasonpeters9390]

I like the way you are not afraid to test all types of motorcycle not Just the sports blkes Interesting to see other bikes that we don't think about.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Jason - variety is the spice of life and all that!

[@jasonpeters9390]

Diflenty keep up the good work

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Will do! Cheers....

[@Jesse-gv9tf]

Would you say this scooter is bigger than the T-max? Does it feel bigger?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No - feels about the same to me...

[@mellymoo_eats]

Can you ride this with just a CBT?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

My guess is no, if you can, you shouldn’t...

[@roberthickman4092]

can it do a mod1 style u turn?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep

[@02bigkev]

I think there will be a place for these bikes/scooters and they will improve.

[@spiritusinfinitus]

Cool! Looks great fun.

[@jaydmhearne]

That’s the third flu you’ve had this year! You need to eat more oranges! 🍊 lol

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...actually it's the 8th cold I've had this season...my personal record...

[@iainian]

TMF. Did you have a cold while doing this review.....you sound a little "bunged" up? Good review as usual.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed I did - my eighth of the season (not that I'm counting, I just need to move somewhere warmer)....

[@iainian]

Southern Spain / Piper PA28 Cockpit Warrior?? Also, liked the electrical "Pulsing" at the intro for this review! PS. Sorry to disturb you.......as I know it's Friday!!!!

[@whizz14]

Thanks for a great review. I just bought mine a couple of weeks ago as an ex BMW-exec bike so managed to get a £5k discount on a 1k mls bike. I totally agree with reference to the scrolling through 12 modes to go from temp to time so I will try and get it down to around 5. My only addition to this is; The throttle sensitivity. I would like a quicker action throttle with perhaps a third less movement. The screen I guess is short to reduce drag, but it does nothing to protect you from the wind. So I'll probably have to buy the touring screen. Overall though after trading from the C650GT I think its a great step up with surprising performance to me and all the other bike riders I have come across

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes quite something this bike isn't it - lovely feeling of futuristicness about it....

[@martinfrost3596]

Give it another 5 years and we'll be seeing these things all over the place (not this actual model though)

[@ajt8275]

Absolutely beautiful, and I love the sound... Can somebody give me a loan?

[@NickStaib]

Hi TMF - interesting review, as ever. I suspect the combo of heavy weight, instant torque, and regenerative braking will mean a v short life for that rear tyre. At least it looks like there's a centre stand, which will make frequent tyre changes a bit easier!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good point Nick, would be interesting to know how quickly these eat things like brakes and tyres....

[@davidcarr4991]

As per usual, nice video Mr TMF. Have to pick you up on one statement though... sorry! At around 19:30 you talk about the range and charge time and say 'they're getting really close on that'. With range of (often a lot) less than 100 miles and recharge times measured in hours, I would have to say they're not close, not by a country mile. Battery technology is coming on in leaps and bounds, that is true, but until you can get ~150 miles, and recharge in 5 minutes, these will remain commuter/urban machines. I think it's also true that the BMW and the Zero machines are limited to around 80mph? Might have been nice to get some info on other things like insurance (I know that can vary, but just a relative idea...) and battery pack replacement costs. I know these have 5 year battery warranty, but if someone gets one that is a few years old, they might end up having to replace the pack outside of warranty. I certainly couldn't afford the 'new' price of these, or the Zero bikes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers David - good points all....thanks for watching - TMF

[@Boodieman72]

TMF, you didn't show the ECO mode in the video

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Oops - sorry!

[@chromharpman148]

Amazing. In the future, when the travel range goes up and the price comes down these type of scooters / bikes will be an interesting option. I have to wonder what the long term battery costs etc may be, once they get a few years on? Time will tell i guess.

[@rubberneck2855]

With some electric car manufacturers, the customer buys the car, not the batteries. The company retains ownership of the batteries (not sure why) but it might be that the company replaces the batteries in the electric vehicle say after five years or so. Maybe one of the other viewers knows more about it and can explain.

[@1066Sussex]

Did it get back in one piece TMF?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheeky...

[@lornescott-wilson6144]

Nice bike. Good one BMW. I would like to move onto an electric bike next, depending on price, once my RT has gone past its sell-by date. What would be cool would be to take out the RT engine and gearbox and put an electric motor and batteries into that space (maybe even incorporate the existing rear swing arm, shaft, final drive and rear suspension). I hope there would be universal motors & batteries available to fit into whatever vehicle you have in the future.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice idea!

[@henrya3530]

An interesting development but still a l-o-n-g way to go before electric motorcycles/scooters can be considered practical and *affordable* transport. These machines seemed to be intended primarily for urban use yet many people in cities live in apartments. How will they recharge an e-bike?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

One of the several practical issues that arise with these!

[@bigbiketrip9182]

As scoots go, this one is a looker, although range is rubbish. The finish looks really good, as does the paint on this model. Not sure I’m ready to have one, but wouldn’t mind a go on one 😁

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, they are a lot of fun these....

[@shaneweightman]

Good review mr Flyer, the 2 things no body seems to mention , how long before the battery pack needs replacement, guess around 5 yrs , and how much to replace , my guess Mega Money these are the big two failings , the fact that they aren’t really green when you use fossil fuels to charge, so not that green ,, the range then charging time,, so I’ll stick to my noisy , fuel drinking bike cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@johnarmstrong3782]

I agree. It's so difficult to get definitive information. From what I understand the battery pack will begin to start loosing capacity after around 500 full discharge/recharge cycles. The point at which you find you need to change the battery pack will be the point at which the range of the bike is no longer sufficient for your needs. So assuming it's not fully discharged every day and not used every day your 5 year estimate could well be in the ball park.

[@fermitupoupon1754]

@@johnarmstrong3782 Mine still has the full 160km range after as good as 50.000km on the odometer. As for replacing the battery, my local BMW dealer says it costs 5000 euro including taxes and labour. But that is for the long range battery. I doubt the battery needs replacing much before 85-100.000km. I ride it as a primary commuter for about 80-90km a day. It takes about 30 minutes to do a 20-80% charge on an 11kW charger.

[@majordelays4909]

@@fermitupoupon1754 you sound quietly content. Good purchase for you then?

[@fermitupoupon1754]

@@majordelays4909 It's probably the best scooter I have ever owned. Especially for commuting I don't believe there's anything that gets close to it. And with a bit of planning you can still go on a sunday cruise. Just plan to stop for lunch somewhere with a public charger nearby and it's no real inconvenience at all.

[@TheGoldenPig.]

Does it still do 0-60 in 2.5 in reverse? I assume bmw lent you the bike before they had seen you slinging the zero up the road :p

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Err yes, this does pre date the zero “incident”....

[@MoroMagrew]

What an interesting bike! I have yet to try a high end electric bike. I have a cheap electric scooter, bottom of the range! I always find it struggles to accelerate and reach top speed when it's low on juice.

[@lasttraintovegas7189]

A great bike but the price is madness At the moment is listed for £14330.00 Government discount £1500 So you can have it for: £12830.00 Smh... Good review thx 👍

[@petewebb6952]

Very, very, interesting. As I own a T120, which is such a good all-rounder, I can’t really justify to myself another motorcycle; but I could justify an electric m’cycle. Is this top of the range? Yes it would be great seeing what it’s like to live with an electric m’cycle. Cheers, Pete

[@topgun8683]

You should review the Susuki Burgman 650, I think thats the fastest scooter made and it looks more like a motorcycle because of its size and shape !

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Funnily enough I've just handed my long termer Burgman back to Suzuki UK yesterday - stay tuned for more soon!

[@stevewallace853]

You wear earplugs to cut out the frequencies that cause most damage to your hearing, those are caused by wind noise not engine noise......so always wear earplugs when riding :-)

[@rubberneck2855]

It's not about WANTING to wear ear plugs, it's about NEEDING to wear ear plugs. With the big fairing on the FJR1300 you can't ride without ear plugs, your ears would be ringing. Naked bikes have less air directed at the rider. I don't bother with earplugs on my naked bikes so maybe anyone saying they don't bother with earplugs maybe has a bike that doesn't have design that directs airflow up at the rider's head.

[@ianpoole594]

Good looking scooter and I'm a supporter of the technology and future bikes this will bring with it . However until the mileage range increases ,charge time improve and prices become more competitive I'll continue to wait.

[@scotteger6271]

I’m surprised, with the good relationship you have with BMW, that you never reviewed the other BMW scooters. I’d be interested in your thoughts on the C400 line…used to be the X but I think it’s the GT now. Similar in size/functionality to the Yamaha Xmax you reviewed and seemed to like.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

What makes you think I have a good relationship with BMW!

[@scotteger6271]

@@TheMissendenFlyer seems like you get to review their bikes quite often plus they have to know you’re a GS fanboy!

[@Peakwanderer]

Mirrors inspired by Star trek Enterprise, back with you now, got distracted by Jolene Blalock images for a minute there.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I had to google her, now I'm "distracted"....

[@oliverreno4734]

Who hasn't?

[@mrcintheuk4641]

£13,865 (C Evolution Plus) before any accessories, just to potter around town. Still a long, long, long way off before it can be considered anywhere near viable alternative transport. Remember, the Mayor of London's long term plan is not to have any private vehicles (electric or otherwise) in London without paying a charge, so there's no offset in that regard against the price. Any idea how far/long the batteries last before they need to be replaced (can they be replaced?) or become inefficient in holding their charge? Anywhere near equivalent to 100,000 miles?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I don't know I'm afraid Michael - thanks for watching though....

[@denisrousseau9071]

OMG the future is NOW! It sound like spooling turbine!