Which is best - BMW XR or GS?

[@richardbuckley672]

Swapped the GS for an XR 4 years ago and have not regretted my decision for one second. I have huge respect and admiration for the GS and did some big trips on it, made me smile but it never put a grin on my face, something the XR does without fail on every single outing.

[@TucsonDude]

Did you find the GS to be too heavy? Too bulky?

[@NorrieChristie]

Have you done many 2 up miles and how’s it been over time with that ? It’s the only thing that concerns me is pillion comfort 🤔

[@adammfharris]

Can you answer the above questions please?

[@Blatif00]

@@adammfharris It’s not bad 2 up 22’ XR for us we had a Concours before. I’d be cautious if your other half is taller than 5’6. My wife is petite 5’3 and 120 she fits perfectly. There is some buzz in the bike that annoys her seems to be coming from the top box more than anything for her. We added sheep skin seat toppers which helped overall seat comfort. I love the bike solo it’s a beast my first XR. The motor is not smooth like a typical inline 4 a bit noisy and does have some buzz around 4-5k. I see lots say it doesn’t have any buzz but it definitely does more than any other in-line I’ve had. My tuned, pipped, airbox gutted GSXS 1k is way smoother engine wise. Doesn’t bother me at all but she has made comments. We don’t do long trips often if we did this is not the bike for that. Day runs with stops here and there it’s comfy enough.

[@vriendelijkegroet]

It's simple: The XR is the addictive hot secret girlfriend, but the GS is the beautiful one to marry for life.

[@maxialberto284]

Excellent!!!! Best definition EVERRRR

[@DanielJLopes]

Dangerous post if the GS sees it..... dangerous post....

[@karlosh9286]

@@theonlyredspecial But you did say "ride for life" . Now I can't get it out of my head !

[@brulaapgaapmeester8234]

I have reported you to the MeToo-movement for comparing women to motorcycles. ;-)

[@chucksolutions4579]

You know I tried both of these and went with a Multistrada. I REALLY wanted to go with the GS (or the Yamaha) but both my wife and I liked the Ducati better. We did a thousand miles on the second day we owned it (with her riding pillion). I’ve only had it a month and I am about to do the 15,000 mile service (I got it used). It’s the first really NICE thing I’ve ever owned and I am nervous bc of Ducati’s reputation!!

[@essosa1]

Finally, that long awaited comparison ! :) In the end, it all comes down to personal taste and needs. I was considering both the GS 1250 and 2020 XR. Ended up with an XR. How I decided ? Well, I also own a 2016 R1200R, which is great bike, served me well for 60k km's, but I never got used to its agricultural engine and clunky gearbox. However, that low down torque is great. Not so many engines can smoothly handle hairpins at Stelvio in 2nd gear, fully loaded with luggage and your Mrs behind... I ride 70% sporty solo on local twisties, while the remaining 30% is 2-up and one longer trip per year. For those needs the XR was an obvious choice. It's a comfortable sport bike with touring capabilities, while the GS is a VERY comfortable touring bike with off road capabilities. It can be ridden fast, but let's be honest - speed and sport riding is not its priority. If the above percentage was the opposite and if I use the bike primarily for 2-up long distance touring, I would definitely get a GS. I also like that XR's dual personality - you can ride it slow and relaxed if you want, just like a GS, but twist the throttle over 7000 rpm's and it becomes a hooligan ! Makes you smile and laugh under your helmet :) You can't do that with a GS. Yes, it delivers more than enough power too, but not in a way to make you smile. The seat on the XR could definitely be better, but that can be fixed by adding some memory foam, replacing it with the aftermarket seat etc. Re the vibes, after 4000 km's they have completely disappeared on mine. If you fell some, it's nothing close to annoying (my R1200R vibes a lot more for example). Windscreen could be better too (I have the high version, same as on the bike you rode), so I will give MRA vario screen a try. Those are the only 2 cons I found on this bike. Fix that, and you have a very fast, agile and sporty 4 cylinder GS ! Many thanks to you and Mrs Flyer for doing the review. Enjoy your riding and stay safe ! P.S. I used your discount code at Speedo Angels to get a TFT screen protector - thanks ! :)

[@daithimurphy1832]

Great to hear your opinion on the xr. I love the looks of it but some testers reported lack of low down power and some vibes which were both putting me off it. Fact you own one makes a real world review. Thanks

[@essosa1]

@@daithimurphy1832 Most of the reviewers (usually owners of a GS) compare the XR against the GS, which is ridiculous. Completely different bikes. XR should be compared against Multistrada, Kawasaki Versys 1000, KTM GT.... If you ride the XR like a GS (mostly under 4000 rpm's) then yes, XR will be weak at those rpm's. Like every 4 cylinder bike. But even that lack of low down power can be resolved with a simple remap. I cruise with mine at around 4000-5000 rpm's, and the power is always there; whenever I twist the throttle. Worth to mention that the XR at 5000 Rpm's is already quicker than a 1200 GS; in 3rd gear close to rev limiter (where the GS wants to fall apart) XR lifts its front wheel in the air, traveling at 180 km/h... GS likes slow hairpins, XR likes fast, wider turns. GS sounds (and feels) like a tractor, XR sounds and feels like an F1 car. So, it all comes down to the rider character. If you want a "do it all" machine, ride the bike like it's a diesel, use it like a family car as a mean of transport from point A to point B - get a GS. If you want to enjoy your bike, have fun on it, but still be comfortable enough to tour, smile every time you ride it - get an XR...

[@daithimurphy1832]

@@essosa1 couldn't agree more I've seen sportsbikes being compared to the gs which is nuts. I asked if some vloggers if they could leave the gs out of some reviews but it will always be a thing I guess. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of the gs . Great bike in its own category. All the best stay safe

[@GGBP14]

I chose the XR. Did an 11 hour ride. It was brutal but doable. First 5 hours perfectly comfortable.

[@goodguyalpha4308]

You are young and want to super fast: BMW S1000RR, it starts to hurt your back and you want something more comfortable but you still want to go fast: BMW S1000XR, you get older and start to get bored of being a hooligan and want something more relaxed: BMW R1250GS I guess this is the upgrade path bmw has developed😅

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Then eventually you find yourself astride a Harley at which point you realise all hope is lost....

[@goodguyalpha4308]

@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne nah, then you go for the brand new brilliant BMW R18👀

[@PCERules]

Hmmmmm.... so either I’m suffering reverse evolution, starting commuting and whilst it’s turning circle is crap - the S1000RR squeezes into gaps adventure bikes can’t reach!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

@@goodguyalpha4308 Alas, Bib had a rush of blood to the head last week and bought a brand new ZZR1400....

[@KiwiMoto72]

I'm 50 and love my new XR. So long as ya stay fit, and keep a good attitude, its awesome for touring. I bought the comfort seat for it, and its no problem. I think if i was to get a longer haul tourer for cross continent riding, i'd get a GS or RT.

[@TheAegisClaw]

Frankly, anything with over 100bhp is sporty enough for me these days. Still quick compared to other traffic, still feels quick. I admit I'm getting old, many years ago I bought a ZX12R because I needed that power, older and wiser now I like to think.

[@stevebolton8471]

Save fuel and you can still overtake well by using the gearbox!

[@jamesfisher1827]

Very fair and evenly balanced review, and I agree with you. I really wanted to like the XR but I was immediately put off the new bike by the seat, just sitting on it briefly was enough. The GS is more of an all round package, as all the owners know. Friends who had all owned sports bikes told me the GS was amazing and I just couldn’t see it from the seat of my Fireblade. However I have now owned two GS’s and it is simply a jack of all trades, tour all day long and then put it into sports mode and it really handles.

[@ScragNath]

When I was blasting over the Alps in Switzerland last year, my GSA was rock solid, really looked after me when the heavens opened, day turned to night almost instantly. I can't recommend a better bike for touring. (Like the XR looks though).

[@MarkATaylor]

Such is life’s progression, S1000RR, XR and then GS, I’m at the GS end of the spectrum and very grateful for it. Good comparison TMF and always helpful to get the pillion view from Mrs TMF.

[@jonathanchadwick7958]

I have hopped onto a 1250 GSA from the 1200, after trying the XR. I opted for the lower chassis version this time round; best ever bike I have owned. I don't consider myself to be in the older category, but the GS is a super mile muncher that can deal with any terrain . It's the best in my view, all round - from tourer to commuter to cross country adventurer . The box is much better on the 1250. Not tractor-like at all. Great vid MR Flyer - keep em coming.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Will do Jonathan....

[@Inked_CR]

Do you feel the 1250GS is worth the extra 2-3k over say and 18/19 GS1200?

[@dogshmog]

The GS is a comfort monster. I ride a lot with my wife, and her explanation of how the GS feels to her: Other bikes I feel like I have a worry about moving the right way when you’re turning, the GS is like a big monster that just man-handles me. Having a pillion on the GS makes very little difference when on the move. I went from an s1000r to an r1250gs. Tested an XR, and it just wasn’t what I wanted. The GS engine, while lacking the warp drive power, has massive torque coming out of those tight corners. They just fun in different places and have different personality. MF said it very well, “you just aren’t in a rush all the time like you are on an XR” If I could... I’d buy both.

[@TucsonDude]

Crazy! I own both a 2014 R and a GS. They're so different that I kept them both.

[@yorkchris10]

The 4 always seems a bit busy, while the boxer felt layed back, but could push it when needed.

[@christhompson505]

One point about the GS’s vario panniers - you can fit a helmet in the left hand pannier and top box if you extend them as intended... I often do this when I reach my destination to save me having to carry the helmets around and then put them back to the non-extended position when riding to save width. BMW should put the back end of the GS on the XR for comfort and the ability to carry the vario panniers.

[@802726504]

It seems bike manufacturers often fit hard seats - then offer a "comfort" version. More revenue? And sharp practice!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Indeed...

[@colinpettit3448]

Imagine buying a new car and being offered a " comfort" seat option. I owned 5 Bmw's years ago and they were known for their comfort when touring . Also why are centre stands on touring bikes an option.?

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I totally agree. Having just bought a new ZZR1400 as I was placing the order the saleswoman 'recommended' a rad guard "a new radiator will set you back hundreds". I also felt it prudent to fit crash bobbins and an after market screen as every review slates the original. At almost £12k I think it is beyond a joke that so many extras are actually necessary add-ons and replacements. Apart from that the bike is stunning....

[@iamtherealzombie]

Some people actually prefer hard seats (I'm not one of them) but they are the reason companies like Corbin exist (saddle hard)

[@nickprice3605]

And by "manufacturers" you mean BMW 😂

[@bernhtp]

I’ve done long (week+) mountain tours on both the XR (Alps) and the GS (Sierras). Both are great bikes, but I come to some different conclusions. Seat and comfort. The XR has an unusual bowl-shaped seat that snuggly tucks you in. Its comfort level appears to depend upon the shape of your ass and how it fits the seat’s shape. The GS has a traditional and plush bench seat. My ass fits the XR seat quite well and I found it quite comfortable on a 9-day tour. Ditto for my friend who just bought the new XR. However, it took a day or two to adjust to the XR seat’s ridgey edges, which makes body transitions through aggressive twisties very different. I ultimately am very comfortable on both bikes. Maybe a slight edge goes to the GS, but not a difference that matters. Engine. The GS has a nice torquey engine, but too reminiscent of a farm tractor. The XR has an exciting powerplant, which you criticize (maybe begrudge) for being too seductive. I personally love being seduced and feel more alive as its midrange growl turns into a howl and then a roar as I thrash her about. No comparison: the XR engine is so much more powerful and better. Transmission. The XR has a buttery smooth up/down quick shifter that we both agree is way better than the clunky GS. The XR’s slipper clutch with predictable engine brake is super nice as you click down into corners. Suspension and handling. The GS is surprisingly good given its status as an all-rounder and maybe a hair smoother when cruising highways, but the twisties and anything fast dramatically favor the XR. It’s so much more flickable, its brakes so much better, and the electronic riding/suspension modes adapt it to every occasion. The XR pulls way ahead here. Pillion. I would need to drug and tie my wife to the bike to bring her aboard. Alternatively, I could bring along a hot young mistress. Either would cost me way too much. I seek feminine comfort elsewhere. Luggage: The GS has a great luggage system, though it’s always reminded me of the suitcases in the film Joe and the Volcano. But the XR’s new system and quality implementation are a step up. Brilliant. Other. The GS is a bit more fuel efficient and its tank gives a good amount more range, and that’s before getting the far bigger tank in the GS Adventure. As for chain vs. shaft, BMW just announced the new M Endurance Chain whose new internal lubrication technology (ostensibly) eliminates chain maintenance (both lubrication and adjustment). Summary. The preference between the two deeply reflects your core psychology and life state. Despite being older than you, I apparently have more hooligan in me. This isn’t good nor bad; it’s just a difference. I don’t climb on a motorcycle to go somewhere. I go somewhere to ride a motorcycle. And that somewhere is almost never a straight travelled road, but something very twisty and desolate as possible. It helps keep me being carted away in handcuffs by the constabulary. Oh, I own a 2020 S1000RR and is my first weapon of choice, which says everything needed.

[@banditchenwesterwald1604]

Greets from Germany.... actually S1000R ans R1200R..... thinking about GS.....

[@SteveWKk]

Great comment!

[@manishjha3990]

I would love to be like him when I grow old or grow wise

[@aleksandarlukic9872]

Nicely said! Thanks man

[@TucsonDude]

I own both a 2014 GS and an S1000R. I was looking at the XR as a compromise between the two. Thanks!

[@Sam-yy5vo]

Really nice addition providing your wife's point of view as the pillion rider

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you think so!

[@berkayguner]

Just got XR loving it ❤

[@markroberts5565]

The GS is the better allrounder for me; I've mentioned before after test riding the 2020 XR, it's better off the dual carriageway than on. As many have mentioned the standard seat is too hard and oddly shaped (for lard asses like me) and it was surprisingly vibey; it could do with a 7th gear. I'll stivk with my 1200GS and spend the difference on a RS660 to replace my Daytona! Great Vid!

[@adrianbuckley8922]

I'm lucky that I own both the 1250 adventure and the 2021 S1000 XR M-sport, the adventure is the perfect all round bike and has more miles on it than the XR, but the new XR is a fantastic upgrade over last years model, the gearing is hugely improved and it's a fantastic bike that handles as well as anyone could wish for, I know, I'm spoilt

[@jakegreenberg9357]

TMF, great video. I'm also a big fan of your work & your down-to-earth way of describing what you're feeling. One constructive criticism, from one professional video editor to another: I think in your "talking head" scene (approx 3:38 onward), it appears that your audio track is one frame behind your video. IDK which software you use, but in Premiere Pro, lock your audio track & add a marker to exactly the frame where a hard sound (like a consonant) is audible, and move your video track accordingly. Other than that, great content as always & you seem like a genuinely nice guy.

[@adrianwatkins9629]

Great comparison TMF I've test rode the GS 1250 also GSA and the XR recently and found the wind protection on the XR better than the GS but not as good as the GSA... im 5'10" and had the screen up on the XR... one thing that hit me was the that bubble of calm feeling of speed after being on naked bikes for few years totally different experience...

[@allanapplin250]

I don't think the Wind Comparison was really correctly done as TMF had an aftermarket wind deflector on the GS. So either take it off or put onto the XR as well to do true comparison. :)

[@chrisgeorge6812]

Great review thank you! Test ridden both bikes, wish I could have both for my moods on any given day, but the rock hard XR seat does put you off. I love the idea of the XR but the GS is the better all rounder for doing the majority of things well all of the time

[@lennartorvarsson5816]

I did try them both - the XR is wonderful and great fun to ride but I ordered the 1250 GS as I find it's more of a Swiss army knife than the XR. Both great bikes but I wouldn't like to ride like a hooligan all the time, as I would on the XR. It's simply too fun to ride fast. And I´m almost 62 :)

[@petehudson3080]

I agree..Test rode an XR when my 1250 GS went in for service and it left me grinning after the 2hr slot BUT....jumping back on my GS felt so much more comfortable and much less inclined to chase the corners. The XR is a hoot on a Sunday morning blast but give me the Do it All GS as my Go To everyday bike....

[@davidhunter4278]

Ha Ha . . . I'm 74 and traded my R1200GS for an XR 5 years ago, when it was introduced. For 3 years I was drunk with power. Then got worried about the speeds I was riding. Bought the new 1250GS when it came out. I loved it . . . . . . . . but Oh My! That new XR looks good.I am going to read your post a few more times.

[@grahamtricker4103]

I'd take the GS any day. It has a more relaxed sound and feel. If your touring and doing long distances then the GS would be my choice.

[@keef4937]

fantastic video, very professional, I didn't like your channel when I first saw it a while back, but now I have to say IMHO, this has to be one of the most professional and intelligently presented channels on the tube. Well done mate, keep it up.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Wow, thank you!

[@stuartshaw6895]

I’ve got a 1250gs and tried the XR prefer the GS more comfortable and didn’t like the noise from the higher reving engine. Just my opinion........

[@BN1960]

The GS is a great bike, I've had several. Very good, solid, worthy, dependable, slightly ubiquitous. The XR I now have is the first bike I've had since my Hayabusa that makes me go HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! when I ride it.

[@AntaresSQ01]

7:45 On that note, I was out on the A6 and Snake Pass up in hte Peak District and i met this guy on a top spec 2020 GSA and he was dragging the engine guards in EVERY SINGLE CORNER. I was keeping up with him on my Ninja 650 but it was an astonishing sight to behold as you go through the corners and just see sparks come off a brand new 2020 GSA with a topbox on lol

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one! In the right hands they can indeed be hustled....

[@PetrolJunkie]

I can safely say that you can grind crash bars in the corners on a GS on a track. I took mine out on an open track day and due to experience or lack of it I was paired up with the beginners. A lot of small displacement sport and naked bikes like the Z / Ninja 400. On street tires because I couldn’t find track tires. It was ridiculous. The turn in is better than you might think, the brakes are not going to hold up to a lot of hard braking. The suspension is a bit too soft. Top speed is limited. Still passing other riders. I was bumped up to the intermediate class because I was putting in lap times quick enough. 500 - 750 bikes. I could keep up with the slow riders. 😂 I might be able to shave a bit off my lap times if I really put in effort but again tires, brakes, and suspension are limiting. Really, lean angle is limited. You can easily hit top of sixth gear on a straight with plenty of room to go, predictable power held back by low gearing. In the end the GS is true to its nature, it can haul around a track, but it’s not a perfect fit. I’m not sure there isn’t anything you can’t do if you really want to do it, but the one thing it’s really good at is touring, everywhere. It was fun, but if I decide to go all in the track life I’s buy and build a track specific sport bike. Sometimes you really need to get the right tool for the job rather than struggle with an adjustable wrench. Yep, I just called the GS an adjustable wrench. :-D

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@gpzfan5272 And now who do you think actually does 50mph through snake pass :) (unless it's a proper windy day)

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@gpzfan5272 On the Snake pass??? There isn't a single camera on that bit, maybe police sitting by the side of the road but usually that's well past the fun parts most people take, I'm talking about the section from Glossop to the Ladybower Reservoir I live in the kirklees so my usual fun path is from Holmfirth up to Holme Moss peak down to Woodhead Reservoir, to the other side and then take the hills to Glossop then down the snake pass to the Ladybower Reservoir then go accross the dam through the derbyshire dales to Bakewell and then hit that section of the A6 all the way to Buxton. Then on the way back there is a few nice sections too. It's about a 90 mile round trip or so and it's basically a day of twisties exclusively. That said Cat and Fiddle was a massive disappointment as it has the 50mph average speed with terrible missing chunks of road IN the corners, you sure you didn't mean that? Either way I'll check the road you mentioned out, I'm open for new adventures. Edit.: ah i just realised Mortimer road is the one with the Strines inn, indeed a good road but it's a bit narrow for my liking, I still go down that way sometimes

[@kevinperree7764]

Similar experience on my triumph speed triple r. Was followed along the A684 from ribblehead viaduct to hawes by a guy on a GS. I’m by no means an accomplished rider but I certainly wasn’t hanging about. He held me within 100 meters for the full distance! I was far more impressed by his riding on the BM than mine on the STR. Made me seriously question why I’m riding a pretty compromised package when a GS would probably fit my needs far better...

[@markosrides]

It's the GS for me, as in fact I own 2014. model. When I was at the dealers couple years ago I've tried them both and instantly fell in love with the GS, so much so I had to buy one! The XR is great, but I'm 41 now and it's a bloody fast bike, maybe too fast for what I am looking for. Also, I'm a tall guy with rather long legs so the XR was a bit cramped with the higher foot pegs. One interesting thing about the GS, the seat. I find it not so much comfortable and I suspect it's because of my height, a bit firm at the back as I tend to sit there for most of the ride. But again, compared to the other bikes it is miles ahead. Will be looking for some gel seat upgrade. Cheers!

[@DDLovett]

That was a fabulous comparison. Congratulations to Mr and Mrs Flyer.

[@paulcollins7185]

A really good comparison report between these two bikes Flyer. You report on both bikes very very close to my own findings and I agree with your views on both machines. Well done Andy, nice one!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@michaelhassett6902]

Thank you Andy for a great comparison. What a dilemma, neither is a bad choice. I’ve been riding an XR FOR 5 years, been all over Australia on it and find it to be just amazing, even the seat is Ok on those 800km days. I’m about to get a new bike and this is exactly what I’m torn between. The X-R cost me my licence a while back, it just wants to egg you on, and it can go like a demon. I’m 65 now and thinking the more sedate GS might be the wiser choice. Maybe I’ll just have to go for both to save the conundrum. Damn you BMW for making two brilliant machines.

[@Porsche996driver]

Haha 👆🏼

[@colinvincent6599]

I’ve driven tractors that could beat my Gs in a gearbox comparison so no surprises on that one. Heated seat for 2021 but no backlight switches or better gearbox unfortunately.

[@GarySchechner]

[Great review! Love your observations and your touring video reviews too!] Data point of one here: I went to the 2016 XR from a 2006 GS and loved the move to that sportbike-tourer. Right up until I was hit by a car, totaled the XR and it was time to think about the replacement. And it timed out with BMW's announcement of the newly redesigned 2020 XR that I immediately put a deposit on. Maybe it was the not knowing how long it was going to take for the new bike to arrive (and my anxiousness to get back on a bike!) or it was remembering how smooth my 06 GS was (and not having to lube the chain of the XR!), I ended up going back to the GS platform and have no regrets with that decision. I picked up a 2017 Rallye with low mileage and am loving the improvements from 06 to 17 and can only imagine that the 1250GS is even more fun. The XR seat and handlebar vibration and seat discomfort are real, but there are workarounds. IMHO, you won't be disappointed with either ride, but for overall joy of riding and maintenance and ownership? The GS platform is a forever choice for me.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@iantonner3123]

I’ll stick to my GS,had an XR when mine was in for a service didn’t appeal to me much.

[@springy-2112]

Oh the hard seat thing! I just picked up my latest seat from my lovely friend Lin the upholsterer. She re does every seat for me . Shape finish and strategically placed gel pads.. It's a must for old bones and bottoms ! Peace and love brother 👍🏻☮❤

[@andtip]

Took both out for test ride 2 weeks ago. Wanted to love the XR but walked away the very happy owner of a brand new R1250GS Rallye TE 😀👍. XR seat just way too uncomfortable (i know you can get a comfort seat but not willing to commit all that cash and then hope that is better)! I was glad to get off it after an hour test ride. XR also a licence looser as it's so damn fast and to use all the revs you will not be abiding to any speed limits, saying that the GS is no slouch either it just doesn't goad you into ringing it's neck all the time. Also planning on doing some touring and GS was much better for the Mrs as pillion. Had the GS since Friday and absolutely loving the her.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Congratulations and glad we concur!

[@joshnnik]

Very good comparison Andy, I went for the 900XR. Not as manic as the 1000, it’s 105 bhp is on par with the VStrom and AT and delivers low down torque for a relaxed ride if one wishes.

[@Inked_CR]

I have a 21 900XR TE and find it buzzy on the motorway, comfort is no existent after 30 minutes, 2 up isn't great. Fuel range is okay ish.

[@bikerslow2598]

GS all the way even older gen and a second hand s1000rr for the track.

[@BibtheBoulder]

Having read the long-winded "I know better than TMF" rant from bernhtp I much prefer your concise, to the point answer, with which I totally agree.

[@manicrymes]

I have a 2014 GS1200 and I have to agree with You. It is an absolutely Amazing Bike!

[@warrison77]

When looking for a bike recently my heart wanted the XR. After the Mrs and I tested both we went with the GS (1250). The XR buffeting gave her next strain :\. Dont regret buying the GS for a second.

[@andtip]

Exactly the same for me Warren. Walked in wanting and XR, walked out owning a GS. Amazing machine 👍

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@michaelcase8574]

Sometimes one of those gell seat pads work wonders but after spending all that money for a BMW you should have a seat that fits you well.

[@grim6107]

have to agree GS wins for me too.. great vlog if you are thinking about buying either and will have a pillion on tye back at some time !!

[@huwevans4452]

Interesting comparison, Like you I have a GS but it's always interesting to think what's next!

[@kyotosal]

It's obvious to me that BMW made the XR for sporty riders who love speed and don't want to travel too far from home. Thanks again Sir for a great review.......Sal : )

[@ydarbg]

Great comparison video 👍 I own a 14' GSA and love everything about it.. comfort... handling... torque...two up touring. But having had Japanese 4's for many years I still can't get used to the clattering of the engine/gearbox. The burbling exhaust note on closing the throttle makes up for everything 🤔

[@nigelwolfe6150]

Wow a 14 foot motorcycle?

[@marka5202]

That's a really useful review TMF. I know the fact you own one of the bikes helped, but there are not many reviews of so say cross genre machines that actually do more or less the same thing out there. And that's a shame, because when you are going through the buying process, this is precisely what you are trying to establish. So good to get a pillion's perspective too. That should be "standard" for any bike that might reasonably be expected to take a pillion regularly, but virtually no one does it. Thank you and please keep up the great work!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers - and will do!

[@Pmason718]

I have a 2019 1290 SDGT but I’m so glad you made this video. I love motorcycles in general and if I was in the market again I would be comparing these two, thank you

[@ryegoryshev]

What's your experience with SDGT? I have a 2017 GS and I am thinking about going more sporty orange in the nearest future.

[@Pmason718]

Roman Egoryshev I went back and forth between the XR the Multistrada and the SDGT but I also own a RC8R and I’m so so so glad I went with the SDGT. The 1290 motor is so much fun to ride you will absolutely love it.

[@ryegoryshev]

Pmason718 thanks for the info! Any observations on the reliability of SDGT?

[@Pmason718]

Roman Egoryshev I just bought the 2019 in Jan (2020) and it was winter here. I haven’t had any issues so far 🤞🏽and I bought my RC8R back in 2013 and I still have it and haven’t had any issues 🤞🏽

[@ryegoryshev]

@@Pmason718 Bummer, sat on 2017 SDGT during last weekend, and its ergonomics don't seem to work for me - my knees push into the gas tank, shifting up was a challenge. Did not expect that.

[@Bornie205]

Really liked this review TMF, agree you could add a million variables but think you hit the nail on the head. Subjectively the GS looks a little more purposeful too.

[@LanceEJones]

At 6'6" (1.99m), the XR's ergonomics doesn't quite cut it for me. Amazing machine nevertheless.

[@jamesdean8864]

Finally a review on both these bikes

[@garethtemple6242]

Great comparison.Definitely the GS for me. The XR always seems to have a bit of an identity crisis... Can't decide whether it's a sports bike, adventure bike or tourer.

[@ianmccoy9857]

TMF. Great channel. Tours r great. Just changed from XR to GSA. Different gravy. Ur comments r spot on. The XR is always angry, too eager.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Ian - glad we agree!

[@HJM1974]

I made the mistake of trying out a R1250GS TE last week. I had the seat in the low position and it was taller than my Tiger GT Pro but still manageable for me. How comfortable is the GS lol. Love how the pillion seat cushions your back under acceleration or when flicking it around corners. Found the gear box a little clunky but the punch from that boxer engine is formidable :) Put a right smile on my face. I could be converted when I approach the end of my warranty with Triumph 🤣

[@Bazza47]

A fair comparison of the 2 bikes and I particularly liked the format of the video TMF and that you were able to get a pillion's view on both bikes too which is a rarity. I guess it would be difficult for you to be able to do similar comparison reviews with other bikes due to their availability but definitely worth doing if you are able to.

[@davidtasker3057]

Having just ordered the XR I'm now feverishly going through every XR related video to try and make sure there's nothing I've overlooked on a short test ride. On what I've seen of both bikes though your views seem pretty fair as always. Love your no nonsense videos. The big thing missing though is the price difference. And I think that's what got me interested in the XR. For how good it is, for how little it costs compared to the GS and given nobody is daft enough to get on the back of my bike, it would have to be the XR for me. If I had to consider pillion comfort it may have been a different story. Big thanks to Mrs TMF for her views, that's a real rarity.

[@robertwilary7142]

Hows life with tge xr mate, im about to buy a used 2016 low ks full touring etc etc model

[@davidtasker3057]

@@robertwilary7142 I have absolutely no regrets, not one. I've had an XR for 9 months now and have covered about 5000 miles. I've got the hard case panniers and done an 1800+ mile tour through Wales, forest of Bowland, lake district and then most of the NC500 before heading over the North Yorkshire moors to home and it felt so capable throughout and I think that's when I really fell in love with the bike... That's when it really made sense. It does make a good upright sports tourer. It's sporty enough without panniers but what let's it down in the soft front suspension. But on the longer tours you'll be glad of that suspension. It's still flickable and agile even with fully loaded panniers. It's nimble enough for commuting and dicing up traffic. All the gadgets and gizmos work really well and aren't so intrusive that it ruins the ride, they only enhance it. Engine is brilliant. Enough acceleration even fully loaded to punch past lorries on the twisties, really forgiving and smooth at low revs, pulls in any part of the rev range. The only bad points is being euro 6 compliant it kicks out a lot of heat and that fan blows that straight into your legs and when you let off the throttle it really does feel like you've slammed on the brakes. So although that engine braking is much more prominent than my previous bikes you get used to it and it actually becomes useful. It's the easiest bike I've encountered to get onto the centre stand. The seat is rock hard. I was considering changing it until I went on the 1800 mile tour and then I just got used to it. So think you may just need to toughen up where seat is concerned. Heated grips are one of the warmest I've had too. And of course there's the BMW service. The service has been top notch. It is basically a jack of all trades, but master of none. It's sporty but too soft on front to be amazing. Good tourer but weather protection although good isn't the absolute best. Good commuter, but at 85cm it isn't the narrowest. But it really can do it all. If you are only having one bike in the garage the F900XR is a damn good choice in my opinion.

[@robertwilary7142]

@@davidtasker3057 900? Im about to get the 1st Gen s1000xr...if u do un fact have the 1000 then all that makes sense i think the seat is softer on the gen 1 s and suspensions firmer certainly no diving etc when i took it for a spin

[@davidtasker3057]

@@robertwilary7142 yeah long story short.... I ended up with the 900xr not the 1000. And actually I'm glad I did. Suits me better for my mixed riding.

[@johnturnbull2146]

Thanks for the info...getting back on the road (although have a 1978 R80/7) but need to tackle the wide open spaces on Australia with a bit more grunt and looks like a GS for me despite its weight and my 66 years...love the channel and the videos, keep up the good workj

[@Thewoodmiester]

Hi Andy, it’s Woody again. As I discussed on this video a short time back that I’d not long had my XR and was already thinking of swapping for a GS........... well I’ve gone and done it! Picking a new GS TE Triple Black up on Friday. Test rode one and fell in love immediately. I’ll do a video and Give you an honourable mention. Sad to see the XR go so soon but I should have had the GS from day one. I’m a tad excited. Al the Best Woody

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Ooh how exciting - I told you it was the one to have! Enjoy......

[@Thewoodmiester]

@@TheMissendenFlyer haha you certainly did. Cheers

[@zeedustrakok]

As a very biased 1250GSA owner I agree mostly with your views. I have only ridden the XR without the shiftcam. The gearbox and quickshifter is much smoother on the XR whereas my GSA can be smooth, but often is not. My main gripes with the XR are the vibrations in the handle bars, buffeting for me and I can't ride it normally since I have a tendancy towards speeding and hooligan behavior. I do like the speed though. So why have I just ordered my 5th GS(A)? I use my bike on long commutes with speedtraps and average speed cams. The comfort and range on my GSA is top notch, I don't have a chain to maintain. And really important: I can enjoy driving at acceptable speeds on it, yet, if I want it has more than enough power and the torque can make me lazy at shifting and it still feels mighty.

[@sdcorrey]

The XR is great but if you do your own maintenance get the GS.

[@klimakov]

Before I’ll get ready to GS going to drive XR for couple of seasons. Today just paid the deposit. GS going to be my next bike.Thanks.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Enjoy!

[@SteveInskip]

Nice one Andy and a very good idea to get the views of the delightful MrsF. An excellent comparison! Shaft drive isn’t exactly essential for long distance touring but it sure helps a lot; as does a comfy missus! 😉

[@Porsche996driver]

Glad you didn’t say MF. 😂😉

[@johnmorris5809]

I had a go on the new XR, for me they’ve absolutely nailed the engine it’s far better than the first model. I’m lucky to own the 1250 and so can compare, the GS is going nowhere! Although the quick shifter is still absolutely diabolical......

[@spetersonmusic]

Hard to argue really, one is spicy, one is a sleeper but it's the quiet ones that last. Both are fantastic machines.

[@ianmcinnes9398]

Any chance you could do a comparison between the 1250RT and the K1600 GT. A previous video of yours convinced me as a long time hater of the boxer to give it a try. Now after almost 15k miles on a 2020 1250RT and I'll never go back.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Unlikely I could ever get both at the same time - having ridden them both I’d say stick with the RT (the K1600 looks nice and rides well but is oh so heavy when you come to a stop - one of the main reasons I prefer the GoldWing (again a boxer Config engine)…

[@adzventurerider]

100% Road and fast riding XR. 100% road and talk about going off road GS.

[@ydarbg]

🙊👍 I have a GSA and can't for the life of me see why anyone would want to take it off road. If I wanted to go off road I'd buy an off road bike light 400cc with noblies unless you're talking about a Forrest road

[@pistolpete6321]

Having ridden both and owned a GS my choice would be the GS but it’s a close call. The GS handles surprisingly well in the twisties, I love the boxer engine, the bikes overall comfort and balance! Tremendous motorcycle!

[@daveb1242]

Love the ending Bud, made me smile

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you liked it :0)

[@alanottley]

I would be happy with either!

[@CraigShawCraigShaw]

I've recently switched from an S1000R to a GS and I agree with everything you've said, tmf, BUT.... I so miss the brakes on the S1000R (and I presume the XR has the same brakes)! Such good brakes, whereas the GS requires a bit more effort to slow down when she's trundling along! Great comparison! 👍

[@montha123]

Hi I have a 19 s1000r sport & am thinking on 21 Gs , like to hear how your getting on with the gs in comparison, my dealer is not really encouraging me to change tho with the price they are offering me for my bike on the trade in , but have to say tho the s1000r has been the most reliable Bmw I’ve had out of the 3 new ones I’ve had since 2016, never thought I’d ever even consider gs ever but going on 48 next year and with the bad weather here in Ireland for half the year or more sometimes I’d wonder if I’d like more comfort & to be able to get out on a bike more throughout the year

[@TucsonDude]

@@montha123 Get both! I did.

[@montha123]

@@TucsonDude no more Bmw for me I bought a 22 hayabusa & very happy with it now

[@MotoRiderTube]

I would've like to hear the comparison regarding weight, especially when off the bike (parking, moving around in the garage). I know you talked about the XR in a previous video, but I'm missing the actual comparison with the GS. On the same note, comparing seat height and (feet) reach to ground would've been great. Those are the main points that make me weary of the GS, and I'm not sure if the XR is better.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

The XR is worse on both those points, feels heavier than the GS to lug about and is more tippy toe for me...

[@MotoRiderTube]

@@TheMissendenFlyer thanks! I think the XR is really not the bike for me at the moment. I'm going to wait for the Norden to come out and compare that to the Tiger and probably make a decision then.

[@Susy5solo]

Have a 2014 GS1200, have ridden a 2016 XR. The sports bike genes are obvious in the XR, it does invite you to spin the motor up, it looks great sounds exciting and the gearbox is slick and the auto changer works. But, the engine is an inline four Chuck out 160bhp, so it’s busy. If not on twisty roads I persistently wanted an extra gear or two on steady bits of tarmac. i have been on bikes since I was 16 and now 30 years on I’m not so flexible, so if you want a comfy inline four that will keep up with your mates on sports bikes for a Sunday blast, go for the XR, if you want a bike to load up with pillion, luggage that will eat the miles in comfort without vibrations, then go for a GS as the boxer twin and shaft drive can’t be beaten. The GS gearbox is not it best point, it’s clunky.

[@Thewoodmiester]

Another great video TMF. Having just purchased the XR I’m torn as I always wanted a GS going back to the days of the 1100 but my brother in law has had BMW all his life and always thought they were ‘clunky’ in the gear box. Obviously things have moved on and on. Now my good lady has taken an interest in coming out as a pillion I’m thinking I’ve made the wrong decision and should have gone The GS route. Good to hear the views of Mrs Flyer again too Regards her thoughts on the pillion side of things. I do love my new XR but maybe the GS will be in the garage sooner rather than later. Time to book a test ride me thinks. Cheers again. Woody

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Oops sorry Woody! Of course this is just my opinion, you may hate the GS after the punch of the XR!

[@Thewoodmiester]

TheMissendenFlyer haha no need for apologies buddy. It’s a great honest review but of course you’re right, it’s personal preference at the end of the day. I’ve only ever done short tours to the battlefields of a France, Belgium and Holland not long tours like yourself. Like you say I might hate the GS but I doubt it. Having said that the XR is staying for at least 18 months then possibly a review. Keep the videos coming as they’re brilliant.

[@nickstevens3139]

Your advice is spot on.

[@aaronharris5275]

I'm trying to work out whether all this motovlogging has made you look younger or older. You are looking lean and fitter I think. A lot of vids now on your channel. I think you are doing very well and much respect for all the hard work. I'm still staying tuned!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Aaron - I'm definitely older than when I started but I'm also much fitter and lighter (to the tune of 3 stone!)....thanks for sticking around and staying tuned!

[@alyeanna]

Hmm this is interesting I always thought I'd one day buy a GS but this is definitely making me reconsider.

[@Porsche996driver]

I’m sure a lot of folks compare these two! You want the BMW quality and performance, but how to balance street and off-road. GS is for Gelände und Straße. XR is really a street bike that you could take a quick dirt shortcut. 👌🏼🇩🇪

[@clawbass888]

More interesting is to compare new XR and Ducati Multistrada 1260S. I tried all of these, R1250GS, old XR, new XR and Multi 1260S. For me GS is cool if you are going to do very long rides and with pillion and even better if the roads are not perfect, but it is a bit boring. XR if the roads are smooth and you travel mostly alone and love agressive riding. Multi somewhere in between them, with absolutely gorgeous, fantastic suspension and still funny engine.

[@ChaseTheMoments]

I had an S1000XR - rocket ship with incredible handling. But for me, loaded up with luggage, it was just too heavy to get off of the side stand. This was a problem at ferry ports with all the stop start - I now have an old 1100RT and love it. But looking for a more modern, lighter, comfy tourer. Possibly the 900XR or 800GT - Possibly even a smaller GS - I am just not sure where to go.

[@TucsonDude]

I own both a 2014 GS and an S1000R. I was looking at the XR as a compromise between the two. Thanks!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

No problem!

[@nihar77p]

Nice review . I have seen a lot of comments / reviews comparing the 1000XR with the 1250GS and In My Humble Opinion one just can not compare a comfortable sports bike (1000XR) with a true adventure motorcycle(1250GS). Both are for 2 completely different use cases.Both are true GEMs in their own fields. The S1000XR is just an incarnation of the s1000R with a comfortable riding dynamics suited for folks who want to Have fun on the city roads, twisties, would like to ride long distance once in a while and never bother to go off-roading .And the looks of the bike(S1000XR) are amazing .As fas as my requirements are concerned , this one checks all those boxes and is one of the best all rounders that one can purchase.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fair enough - I still prefer the GS!

[@nihar77p]

@@TheMissendenFlyer it's subjective .

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes it sure is.....

[@GerhardCombrink]

Really interesting to note, as they made the R1200 motor smoother, I found the fuel consumption increased to where my 2017 Rallye's consumption is 10% more than that on both my 2015 adventure and 2015 Trophy. The 2017 models' gearbox and motors are without a doubt smoother, by that increase in consumption baffles me. I've tried most obvious things to fix it, to no avail. Next time you ride a R1250, please compare it's consumption during your average rides to your R1200. Might not be scientific, but a ballpark observation would be great. Call me crazy, but the slight improvement to the 2016 motor and gearbox over that of the models preceding it I found to be the sweet spot (had a 2016 GSA) between smoothness, character and and fuel economy. Both my 2015 models have a slight engine vibration at 120Km/h (definitely not annoying, but perceivable when paying attention) which they sorted on later models with varying success (better on the 2016, mostly gone on the 2017).

[@JohnOLooney]

i was leaning towards an RX but your review has made me look at a 1250GS i don’t fancy a 1200 as for me the engine is too weak having just come from a hayabusa i do want some grunt but i am desperate for comfort i’ll take a look into the 1250

[@Banditmanuk]

Sort the seat comfort and vibes out then it would be the XR for me. Not sure anyone can say which is the better bike, it's just personal preference. If I had a GS I would have to learn how to not nod at any other bike other than another GS.

[@rumien1383]

Hey, that’s enough ! I nod at all motorised two wheelers ..... even big beardy blokes on Harleys

[@jamessuttie1261]

Andy, as always a great video. I have had 4 GS’s, currently a 1250 GSA and a 2016 XR. Agree with your conclusions. A couple of specifics. My biggest knock on the XR was the engine vibration from 5-7K. It has been improved on the newer version. The quick shifter on the GS is not as good, as I still generally use the clutch for a 1-2 shift. XR was smoother, no question. As for handling and suspension, I would be much faster over 500 km on the GS over the XR, and not because of comfort, simply I feel more confident in pushing it over a longer period of time. Both great bikes, but 1250 GSA is superior.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur James!

[@robbikebob]

I think the XR is less a sports tourer and more a adventure styled super naked. And super nakeds do have fairings (tuono), it's more having a sports bike with comfortable bars type of thing.....

[@makis1000]

It's also nice to compare Weight/ Manoeuvrability. These GSs come at 250-280kg!!!!!! Next upgrade is a reverse button. Motorway Comfort vs Twisties Comfort rating will also be a more appropriate comparison. Price difference is quite important to drive a value for fun or Value for Comfort. Excellent and so much fun to Watch video. Thank you very very much. When are you getting your next GS?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

There's nothing wrong with the GS I have!! Although the GS may be heavier on paper, due it's lower centre of gravity than the XR it actully feels lighter and is easier to manoeuvre around - as a weakling this was a big part of the decision making when I was deciding which big ADV bike to buy....

[@nickthequick]

Always a pleasure waking up to one of your videos TMF. For those of us who follow your reviews regularly the outcome of this comparison was hardly surprising though :o) I would like to prod you (once again) on the differences between the XR and the 1250RS, which you liked so much, seeing as they're both in the sport-tourer category. Of course, if you'd throw in the new Ninja 1000SX (I don't think you tested that one though) in that comparo I'd love to hear how that pans out since she was my personal choice when I went shopping. Have a nice one.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Nick!

[@busterrabbit]

Flat twin every time, had both the S1000R and an XR whilst my K1600GT or R1200R were in for services, couldn't wait to get off them. Fast, yes, and great for a "hoon around" for an hour or possibly two, before you get "vibration white finger", far too buzzy for actually going anywhere. Cruising at 70-80 the exhaust noise on the S1000R in particular is a (circa 4,000 RPM) drone which is tiring and annoying in equal measure, and makes any kind of touring an endurance test. You cannot use the immense top end of the fours on the road, it's overkill, sportsbikes are a dying breed for that reason, sticking the same (albeit detuned) engine in a different style of bike doesn't improve things much. Flexibility, with torque in the low and midrange is what's needed on the road for "real world" riding. Then there's the chain final drive, which is a dirty nuisance that gets expensive if you do high mileages. The GS is the better allrounder, probably still the best in the world, and no I don't own one.

[@ribennaberrys277]

Tracer 900 GT is is okay do you think?

[@jordidewaard2937]

Was there just a tiny audio delay during your comparisons? (The ones at your desk) it almost seemed like a voice over haha. For me, I'd rather have the XR. The GS bikes are great, but too big for me tbh. I've been looking into the F900XR, but I think I may as well save up for the 1000XR as I need to wait 18 months until I can drive it legally anyways (a2 restriction)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes there probably was a delay on the audio - sorry about that….

[@jimmyjoe1871]

I’ve pretty much narrowed it down to one of these bikes for our second bike. We have a2018 Goldwing and we would like a lighter more exciting bike for riding nearer home.

[@adrian_o777]

Hi there. I've been following your work for quite some time and I know you're a GS owner/fan. Maybe you can help me out with a dilema. I have been riding for the past 5 years and owned around 5 motorcycles. I am 35 and this year I had an F800GS for about 4 months. I loved it but it was a bit slow especially when I was riding with my wife in the back.. Only had 85bhp. Passing other cars was a bit tricky. I swapped it for a 2010 zx6r and it's great and fast. But I miss the versatility of the Gs and the feeling of invicibility I had on it. I am not a racer, but I like to feel a little buzz when I pull the throttle. I am looking now for a 1200gs older model and I want to ask you if you think it's quick enough for an average rider. No trackdays or racing, but do you think it would be better than the F800 to put a smile on my face? Thanks.

[@TykeBiker]

A really good review and as a XR owner, think you made a fair comparison, didn't agree with some of it but did with others. As a past owner of 4 1200 GSA's I agree with your conclusion BUT you missed out the 'grin factor' and I can honestly say, on that alone the XR wins hands down + a bike with a 17" wheel will always beat one with a 19" in the twisty's, 'also' put the XR in lunatic mode and you leave skid marks not only on the road ;-) Thanks again for a great vid....Ride safe.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

My pleasure - thanks for watching!

[@sboothii4846]

Love your reviews TMF. Keep em coming so I can decide what bike to buy for my European touring next year?

[@BibtheBoulder]

I too am currently weighing up options for 2021. I do like the big GS, especially the long range abilities of its fuel tank. Also the fact that the GS can be found for a pretty decent price used, and they do seem able to do stellar mileages....

[@justmejohn773]

Good comparison video. Horses for courses then. GS for touring and XR for speed. Would the XR benefit from an after market screen like your GS?

[@flowrider5548]

I'll happily marry the 2021 XR, come lockdown gone. Know both the magic carpet GSA and previous XR, for me the 2021 model "red, white and blue" speaks to my Norwegian genes, and being 194 cm tall - the taller XR is a blessing. It even gets around :-)

[@ramin47rs]

Thanks for again great video, i completely agree with you got the 1250gsa exclusive such a great and comfy bike 😊

[@trevorlewis8316]

I took a new 1250 GS and a 2020 XR out for a back to back test ride. I was surprised that for me it was a one horse race with the GS winning hands down. I had to work at the XR to get it hustling around whereas the GS is so much more than a one trick pony. It can hustle, but you don't HAVE TO on it.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Exactly Trevor...glad we concur.

[@MRGS48]

I have the 1250 GS and I believe its a long ride bike. Now the XR on the other hand is the weekend escape from the city bike if you're catching my drift. I also bought a Road king special in July and absolutely love the ease of how she takes of... To each its own great bikes if you use em for what you bought em... Cheers from across the pond in Arizona!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers!

[@roadrash76]

I own both. 2018 R1200GS Rallye and 2022 S1000XR. GS is more comfortable than the XR. But the XR can be improved with not much money spent and then it's more of a style choice