Honor Magic Vs: The Thinner, Bigger, Lesser Foldable

[@TheMrMobile]

NOTE: MrMobile was informed late in the review process that the Honor Magic Vs software would receive an update before release. That update will address, among other things, the missing app drawer - though more details were not immediately available. If the Magic Vs user experience changes significantly in the time leading up to release, follow-up coverage may be warranted. Stay tuned! EDIT: There was also confusion about how many years of platform updates Honor would commit to. The official word seems to be three years, as opposed to the two I quoted in the video. MrMobile regrets the error.

[@garn100]

Like Mr. Mobile said, buy based on the present and not on the uncertain future, especially if there is no 30% discount in the price in that future

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

Even if it doesn't, you can always install something like Nova Launcher to fix a lot of these minor issues too. It's always the first thing I install on my new phones. Including my current Oppo Find X5 Pro.

[@darthraider450]

That user interface is almost a one to one copy of my Huawei Mate 20 Pro's user interface, it's like Honor just blatantly copied EMUI 10 and made a foldable of the Huawei Mate 20 Pro 😂

[@bluedevils81]

Dude I need your s23 ultra review 😊

[@enduringtech822]

MrMobile, now that multiple Chinese company shown us that we can have slim foldable that folds flat, which is what I would prefer, what do you think Samsung should do? Is it possible yet for them to do the same without losing the sturdy hinge, water resistance, etc?

[@deepcriedchicken]

Your videos are so well written. Not many tech youtubers have this amount of polish in their videos.

[@TechWizz]

Agreed. He was in media before did a little acting so we're benefiting from that. Not his first rodeo either if you remember him from earlier years.

[@HAFBeast91]

@@TechWizz I remember his voice from a Mazda 3 review.

[@damagecase13]

Right!? You can tell he was a theater kid and it's amazing. I bet you he could write wraps better than most rappers today too 😅

[@TheGodfatherUk]

It's because he's THE BOSS

[@WspolnaKapiel]

Bro, I’m Polish and I don’t see any

[@trulsdirio]

Yep, an IR blaster is one of those things you don't think about until you need it. My Poco F3 has one after my last three phones didn't and just when I got it last year the remote for my Blu Ray player went missing while moving. That ten cent IR blaster is the difference between me having a movie night and me having e waste as I can't find a replacement online.

[@josiahstearns9615]

I totally concur. The last time I had a smart phone with an IR Blaster was in my Galaxy Note 4. And, sure, maybe there are some that don’t think twice about it considering that most apps run over wifi to control smart TV’s among other things. But in the event that you don’t have wifi access to the unit that’s connected to the internet, then it helps to simplify the annoyance of trying to find a remote that could otherwise be within your grasp in the form a smartphone.

[@donotatme]

I still miss this feature, I could essentially double any remote in the house. So if my gf was sleeping with the remote on her side I just used my phone. So nice to not have to look for the particular remote for a device or the universal one, just the phone.

[@efechief2659]

I hear you, but no one needs an IR blaster. Convenience and necessity are two different things.

[@iamwooth1729]

@@efechief2659 not everybody but a lot of people put it to good use. I loved being able to control my AC, fans, heater, TV, etc with just my phone. Not everything uses wifi and honestly a lot of wifi powered devices are so janky. IR devices just work.

[@HandheldAddict]

It takes guts to give this nuanced review while on the company dime. Hats off for that. Really looking forward to see if Honor improves the software experience

[@loost68]

That's why my mobile is the best. He can't be bought like others. Cough cough unbox,mkbhd,supersaf ..etc.

[@ArthurZakaryan23]

Michael's work has been on YT for a very long time and any tech company who isn't familiar to him by now or his terms has been living under a rock and shouldn't be wasting his time. I think in Honor's case this time around, they are just trying to a buy a little goodwill when they are comping your trip, hotel stay and meals and at best you may go a little easy on them when reviewing their product but that's about it, Mr. Mobile tells it like it is and is a down to earth reviewer which is why he is one of the few YT tech reviewers I regularly follow.

[@OscarLunatechtv]

@@loost68 Marques has always told the truth in his reviews. theres a bunch of instances of him giving negative reviews of phones sent to him. just look at his smartphone awards. I dont know what youre talking about

@@OscarLunatechtv No he does not

[@OscarLunatechtv]

@ yeah he does. It gives good reviews to good phones and bad reviews to bad phones,

[@SnakeActual]

Wanted to say thanks for, alongside the work put into the tech reviews, contextualizing the ads instead of simply reading copy from the company. It makes a world of difference in making them palatable, and as someone who typically hates adverts with a passion, the insight into why the sponsor was chosen from an actual user of the product makes me infinitely more inclined to listen to the pitch. The brevity helps too.

[@CamboSpace]

I hope HONOR listen to what you've raised. All weaknesses in software could be a big problem in the international market. I'm also an HONOR fan, but since I moved to the iOS ecosystem I think that most android phone brands are still very young in software optimization.

[@Alwynfu]

The quirk with Honor/Huawei OS is that tapping notification popups will open apps in windowed mode, while tapping them in the shade opens them in full screen. Nobody nails foldable software like Samung's One UI and that's why I went with the Fold 4.

[@Grabster]

Watching this on a Fold 4 and makes me so happy that Samsung's OneUI is as stable as a foldable software gets. I rarely ever have problems multitasking on it. I love my fold!

[@ZeeTaylor25]

Software experience on Samsung devices is amazing. No matter how beastly other phones are in my price range, they don't bring me the same ease & cohesion that Samsung's OneUI brings. Even Bixby has gotten so much better. Not to mention the software updates for years!

[@cidsx]

Honestly your channel, even with over a million subscribers, is so underrated. I love your style and voice and your extremely detailed reviews. They are really calm to watch and imo you're the best reviewer out there.

[@w4td0uw4nt2]

Enjoyed the review. I find it strange how common it is for reviewers to knock on colorful icons, and drawn illustrations in their devices as childish. Same goes with having more colorful or designs on the phone itself being labeled as toy-like. I need color and art in my life, that doesn’t make me a child. (My penchant for toys and children’s show does :V) For the icons and font, it also helps people find things easier. An example is when Google changed a bunch of their icons to have similar colors. I’ve had a harder time finding gmail, drive, and meet when they did.

[@Justakatto]

exactly. I was under the impression that he's way pass his "edgy teen" phase. Seems I was mistaken. Dismissing artworks and colorful icons as "childish" is exactly what an "edgy teen" would do, as you're supposed learn to appreciate art and colorful things the older you get.

[@confused.cat.]

I 100% agree with you. I need some colour and art in my primary device. I don't want it to be bland and boring.

[@tams805]

Yeah, but these are poorly done ones that compared to the competition look rather ugly.

[@w4td0uw4nt2]

@@tams805 sure but I have heard other reviewers pinpoint colors and illustrations as childish in samsung as well

[@v3xman]

I dont mind the colorful illustration but i hate the ALL CAPS FONT ON THE BUTTONS AND THE IN CO N S ISTENT SPAC ING

[@idhamsoeryadijaya9928]

The foldables competitors are getting better and better! As someone who purchased his first foldable from samsung, I'm so happy now there are more option to choose from!

[@rufysufy]

I like how these foldables are maturing. I’m keeping an eye on them as my next phone may very well be a foldable. My iphone 11 pro max still has a year or two of life though.

[@ruben2000de]

Great that you do your regular disclaimers. Like this transparency.

[@Reacher6207]

No matter how bad Samsung's crease is but their software is so much ironed out for foldables.

[@paullasky6865]

Yep. I'm on a surface duo and it's painfully. How can so many companies undermine such good hardware with continued joke software

[@propersod2390]

​@@paullasky6865 surface duo doesn't have good hardware either, no offense but I dont understand why anyone would buy that phone

[@paullasky6865]

@@propersod2390 the two screens and it's cheap. That's it. Literally.

[@chrisinjapan5736]

This has to be the best review that you have ever done. It made me who was not interested in foldables at all, watch the whole thing and consider buying a foldable as my next phone. Job well done

[@leonardbell1139]

Watching the latest fold review on my Fold 4, always makes me feel better I got the right device.

[@Granturion]

So much useful information here. Thanks and yes,... if the software would be fixed it CAN be worth this amount but hell... only 2 years of major updates is a bummer.

[@ah_dan6572]

I asked for this review on twitter and I'm so glad you looked at this model. As is, even with the bugs and style issues, a custom launcher and some finger crossing for updates might have been enough for me to pull the trigger on this. But that price, oof. That's just far too high for a product that feels undercooked. At £12/1300, I would probably have caved. As it stands, I'll keep rocking my Poco F2 Pro for a while longer. I always feel like your reviews are the "total package" - well produced, well written, and always deep enough without simply reading a spec sheet. Just wanted to say thank you.

[@Rafa-Silva-Alt]

@0:52 "Hey, Mr. Mobile, this is Austin." Can't unsee that guy. I love his channel.

[@Andrewkc1969]

Nice review. I think the biggest weakness of the Fold 4 is it's narrow cover screen. I like the outer width of the Honor Magic VS and others like it.

[@ThisIsTechToday]

I love the price is right video playing right on queue. Glorious!

[@BvrgGbln]

I love your videos. You are just so fun and calming to watch and I love your foldable reviews. Your editing and scripting is top notch. You are my cool KZbin uncle.

[@dannywinget]

Beautifully presented. I agree with all of it.

[@louisthecat4332]

Great informative unbiased review, thank you Michael!

[@doniscoming]

I met with You Michael on the MWC in 2016 on a BlackBerry Mobile party and it was awesome, good memories, Im so happy Your channel and storytelling grew so much! 😊 Regarding Folds I have a Z Fold 4 now and...I dont care it doesnt fold flat - I'm just happy I can use 2 apps for work, draw sketches from time to time and than fit it in my pocket 😉 I'm still really stoked that more producers try folding, cause for sure Samsungs software is awesome but hardware feels a bit...stable ;) Lets hope more competition leads to even better designs cause trust me... Foldables are awesome to have!

[@Chemy.]

As always, watching it after the premiere to pay the attention it requires, as I said, i have a Honor 10 since Launch on 2018, still behaving extremely well for the age, only the battery is showing the age, the device moves very well and for some close that i know, that's something common, everybody feels their Honor phones speedy as the first day, BUT, that price is simply too high, also there are many things to improve, they need a better way to enter the market, here in Latinoamérica they have a good place and are easy to buy, but the price is still something to consider if you can also get more brans offering the same for even less

[@AdemOmerovicBA]

5:00 did you notice any difference in sound between max and medium or just before max? On my Mate 30 Pro, sound ia fuller and looka like aound boom effect when it oa below 13 (out of 15 sound volume). From 13 and up, bass or deeper sounds are gone and only high tones are left... It sounds horrible on max. I use max only when in crowded and noisy environments.

[@saturncrush]

😮 I have been looking for smart phone alternatives (which are few for some reason) and found your channel. Superb quality.

[@arnaldomolina275]

Journalism at it's best! Amazing work, and btw great job being open to new features, or new tricks from phones!

[@extra4542]

I always look forward to your foldable content! The #1 trusted source on foldables on KZbin in my book

[@GFourGadget]

The hardware is okay, held back by the software which they can update and improve, if they intended to. The pricing is CRAZY, and would only worth it if the priced dropped 200-300 Euros.

[@tdata545]

Also the Fold 4 has stylus support, and as a Note (now Ultra user) that's important to me. THOUGH, the Fold 4's "special S Pen" is weird. It's an eraser in most drawing apps. I found this out by using it, and also owning EMR pens that have a dedicated "eraser" on them, and taking said pens with a dedicated eraser on them to AT&T and using them with the fold 4 without issue. This becomes problematic since a lot of apps code for and with that optional pen feature in mind. Meaning drawing apps on the whole get made useless on the fold.

[@TheOxiongarden]

I have the Fold 4 and I wanted that spen so bad, but I barely carry it. Not being able to put it inside the phone ruins it for me

[@tams805]

Yeah, to prevent the use of other pens they just used the eraser frequency. Rather silly. They should have just made it very clear that using a non-Fold stylus is at your own risk.

[@tdata545]

@@tams805 RIGHT, or using that 25% ownership of WACOM, used the Cintiq frequency which is way different from the Bamboo Frequency (which is what consumer EMR devices use like e-readers and samsung devices).

[@Cooe.]

@@tams805 That wouldn't have worked. They would have no way to prove you didn't use an older S Pen and would have been stuck RMA'ing tons of units from the countless idiots who ignore every generic warning pop-up they come across, ESPECIALLY because it'd be a "What does Samsung know? My old pen is working fine!" reaction... Until it's inevitably very much NOT working fine. The way they did it was the best solution to a unsolvable problem. Honestly, your best bet is to actually contact the developers of your favorite drawing apps to ask them to put in a simple "Fold mode" settings toggle that switches the default eraser bindings to those of the pen. 🤷

[@paullasky6865]

I'm on a mate 20x still. Until Samsung make a foldable with a s pen slot I'm stuck with the mate 20x. The s23 ultra it too much smaller..

[@Benpm2212]

Favourite tech reviewer by far! The quality of your reviews are amazing. Genuinely watch them all the time (rematch ability too much 🤣) sometimes as just back ground noise because your voice is so good for narration!

[@finfan83]

He is Michael Fisher ! And he does a review ! 92 components reduced to 4 is bean counter's dream for sure ! Hope it does good for the user too ! And you dont get 5000 mAH on some conventional rectangular-phones without folding ! Shock ! Sad to hear there are so many flaws in functioning of the software and it's utility. Not to mention the camera's button popping in the middle of the bend in 90-degree position 9:44 - gooey cheese ? Someone said cheese ? Gimme ! Gimme NAOW ! As for Surfshark - if someone tested it in various countries of this world, it sure was you, Mr Mobile !

[@josiahstearns9615]

Just a personal preference but the day Michael Fisher retires from his channel is the day a major void is left in reviews on mobile tech. Hands down one of my favorite channels to check out the minute a new release surfaces. I know there are countless others out there who do quite an impressive job… but Fisher has been such a phenomenal source for insight, unbiased opinions, and quite frankly there are few that can match his level of refinement when it comes to the final upload of each review. AGAIN, that’s just my preference and opinion. To each their own.

[@davidbrown6878]

Another interesting and informative review.

[@robertosmmjlist]

This is the only channel I watch for phones that I never plan to buy. They are so engaging and well done that I don’t even mind I’ll never see the actual phone.

[@pratikdarawadepratik5084]

I have seen 1000s of s23 ultra reviews at this point but still waiting for Mr.Mobile's take on it

[@nickthaskater]

It's an S22 with a more efficient and more powerful chip and better cameras.

[@pattyd888]

Your device videos are truly the best IMO

[@russianspy1234]

Can't the lack of app drawer and notification shortcut be fixed with a launcher? And there are apps that let you double tap a button for camera?

[@AdrianMariusTroi]

Hello! This is a Huawei "copy" that I dare you to use a week as a daily driver! 💪💪💪 Great work! Respect!

[@Alystrup]

That Star Trek episode title card slipped in there was *chef's kiss*

[@Nam3Iess]

Honor was for years the "budget" option near the "premium" Huawei devices and I would say in the mind of people it is still a budget phone company so them releasing a foldable at the same price level as the Fold is DOA.

[@brianlambTN]

My favorite KZbinr. Still don't understand why he doesn't have 50 million subscribers.

[@theonethtuusedtoknow]

Cant wait for vivo fold 2 release this year...

[@DDDprinting]

If I turned the sound off and squinted I'd be certain this review was of the Huawei Mate X2, which I recently parted with for all the reasons you mention. And aside from the internal camera and slightly different aesthetics elsewhere, the hinges etc look the same as does much of the user interface, errors and all. Whilst it was an amazing handset, it felt as though it had been rushed and somewhat unfinished.

[@LouieC]

Great review Mike! Where's that S23 Ultra review?

[@sooderso152]

Love your Videos. Never have so much fun with tech and your Style stands out of the many techchannels.

[@TenshiR]

Damn... how are your videos and dialogue so GOOD!?😮

[@Frankie_Freedom]

Yeah, I miss the IR blaster, I even if the phone is slightly under performing than say another I'm looking at, I will almost always go for the one with the IR blaster. I will sometimes go out my way for one.

[@abdulrahmanalmukhaizeem6523]

Honest reviews are always appreciated 👍

[@MintyDude]

Out of curiosity, do you use the GoodLock suite of apps on your Z Fold 4? Because I think it would really be useful for the bigger screen of the phone, especially in the personalization of menu and interface

[@svmagus]

I just want to say thank you for putting this much love in the craft. Goat

[@Wassim-al-malak]

you concentrate on so important informations . you are the master .

[@AnkurMishra1990]

10:20 These are planets, Jupiter and Venus to be specific which are getting closer (from our perspective) and closest will be on March 1st.

[@AceOfHearts001]

The crease I would have thought would be lot less in Honor than samsung's... I love the larger size... samsung needs to catch up here. But I need the s pen and samsung's UI just keeps getting better...

[@georgh.3041]

Loved the Pixel peeping reference

[@Wassim-al-malak]

waiting for the magic 5 pro review 😍

[@TechieConnoisseur]

Must’ve been a blast going to MWC for the first time in a while! Barcelona is a beautiful city, I’d love to go

[@tomgreen876]

Love your reviews MrMobile very detailed and can see you really put time into the products you review, shame your not so much a gamer on the side of things, that 90Hz inside display is a deal breaker for me 100%

[@Ragna___]

Only thing that constantly gets better with time is MrMobile's videos.

[@TheOnlyEpsilonAlpha]

Excellent review of the device! And I’m happy that you pointed out the downside of that device: The Software. Coming from an iPhone i expect something for that price range and Android don‘t nail it, the foldables especially. I have to admit that the used hardware, like cpu finally catched up to the price tag, no “exynos experiments” on a device that is beyond the 1k mark. But the software still lags to utilize the individual strengths of the devices and that is pretty sad.

[@volcomintality8638]

IR ports on phones need to come back. You didn't use it often, but when you needed it, man where you thankful.

[@ArthurZakaryan23]

With each new non-Pixel foldable release, it becomes more and more apparent that for Western market users, the Samsung Fold series and hopefully the Pixel Fold when that comes out, are really the only options if you want foldable software that works like probably many of us in the US want to use a foldable. I am firmly in the Pixel camp in terms of experience and UI and unless Google somehow royally screws up their foldable, it will be my first foldable phone no questions asked.

[@nickthaskater]

There is absolutely no reason to think a Pixel Fold will be any good. Google apps are notoriously unoptimized for foldables, and Samsung's brute force fixes for aspect ratio and rotation, among other things, are the only reason Android works well on the Fold.

[@HAPPYMEGALO]

MrFoldable don't miss the Techno Phantom V fold

[@joepisciottajr]

Did we get multiple videos in one week? I like it.

[@emersonmarquez4925]

The interface is still the same as Huawei's. The only thing that separates them from Huawei is the skin/UI (Magic UI) and also they have GMS.

[@MuhammadKharismawan]

We need more global launch foldable, I know I will buy a Fold in the future, but it's current form is suboptimal at best, more people need to push Samsung forward.

[@GARRETTM.1997]

I just got my fold 4 a month ago, and am enjoying my choice! The only thing I'm gonna regret is not waiting to get the fold 5 later this year, but as it being my first fold phone I'm never going back to a normal phone and hopefully 3 years from now when I wanna upgrade to the new fold it will be worth it. Came from an iPhone 12 pro max Btw.

[@edwood1090]

What bluetooth earphone are you using to record the audio in your closing statement "Is the price right?" Audio was impressively clear for all that background noise.

[@rashadmcduffie6582]

I have to agree with the comment regarding his ( mrmobile) surprise on the software. Thought it's going to receive a software update. Certain quality of life functions should have been resolved before release and not promised near or after release. You can call yourself truly being competitive if you are not providing more than the already established Samsung fold.

[@mohamedraisul1413]

As usual, MrMobile is sharp and suited for an awesome well written phone review. Awesome!

[@stevanb.2590]

I wish Android companies focused more on software details (not only foldables, any phone). Hardware reached the level where year to year difference is minimal, but constant chase for new processors, lenses often leads to software that's just not on pair with hardware of the device... Short periods between newest and upcoming models often result in "we fill fix it with updates, but hey, look what we prepared for our new device" halfbaked phones.

[@jejunamja]

Hey, thanks for the video. Yeah I had her on her phone back when I was living in Southeast Asia. It was really good phone but the software was the issue. Seems like that’s still the problem anyway, hopefully they can fix it with some software updates.

[@raskarl]

Seems like too many missing features in the software - however the hardware looks nice. Great video Michael!

[@Obssy]

Nice TNG reference :)

[@A.N.A8]

Amazing and reliable reviews as usual 👏🏼 Thank you Mr. Mobile

[@mark_u]

Can't understand why manufacturers aren't putting the inner display's punch in the corners instead...

[@MobiusCoin]

IR blasters are so underrated

[@shadowfallenable]

This dudes videos are so well written and displayed... it feels like Im watching a movie. 👏 👏

[@jessewarren9177]

I think foldable phones need to come down to more around the $999 mark before being more widely adopted. The software experience even on the Fold 3 i had was not the best and my main complaint was KZbin would not play in full screen. The black bars made it feel like I was using a regular slab phone.

[@nickthaskater]

KZbin can absolutely play in full screen on the Fold.

[@jessewarren9177]

@@nickthaskater Was it some kind of update ? I could pinch in to a video to make it full screen but things would get cut off.

[@nickthaskater]

@@jessewarren9177 of course it will get cut off if the video is an aspect ratio other than the Fold's. Are you wanting to squash the video to fit the Fold's screen? Not quite clear what you're looking for...

[@jessewarren9177]

@@nickthaskater To not lose information when you stretch the video???

[@nickthaskater]

@@jessewarren9177 how would you do that other than squishing the aspect ratio? That would look awful.

[@Jbrimbelibap]

Hey Michael, don't miss the new foldable from Tecno !

[@TFG1Mike]

All the downsides here are making me wait until pixel fold. Great review as always.

[@nickthaskater]

If you think the Pixel Fold will be any better .. hoo boy.

[@TFG1Mike]

@@nickthaskater it can't be any worse!

[@raideroutlaw2489]

Turns it is

[@trs5127]

5000 mAh exactly is almost never the actual battery output. That's the typical value (i.e. the capacity of the battery). The rated value (the actual output of the battery found after a tonne of testing) is always less than the size of the battery. That's true for all phones actually, regardless of what number is on the spec sheet. The effective battery that we can get out of that cell is slightly lower than its typical capacity.

[@juniormarshallhastings723]

3:27 Can the infrared sensor control a television and cable box?

[@euca8243]

Of course 🎉

[@abhishekagrahari4184]

10:54 Technical Guruji 😊

[@JonathanMorris777]

I guess the fact the Magic Vs isn't coming to the UK (not sure about the US and Europe?) until June means they've got a lot of time to fix things.. I wonder why they opted to launch at MWC when a lot can change in four months? For one, will they have to revise their pricing as more devices launch AND Samsung is ever closer to its new range and their current models will drop in price even more?

[@drakthorianakatzaphquiel455]

And here in Denmark right now the Fold4 is and actually has been down to 1150 Euro for the last 3 months..... so way below your two mentioned prices I even bought one when the price went down(which was before this review was even made)

[@PhilKnall]

Forgot to set the shutter to Europe mode didn't you ;) Great video as always. This phone looks gigantic.. but I'm interested in a folding tablet so this might be interesting for me. If my surface duo 2 dies 😅 hopefully they'll change the software till then.

[@jackm1310]

This review is killer! Well scripted and edited 👏👏

[@hyunbinseo]

Are parts of the video flickering?

[@ReinoldFZ]

I'd wish products would never reach maturity because that's when companies experiment like crazy and do interesting things.I am somehow noticing foldables are getting into mature territory, but could be the shortages of components and the economical context.

[@Joshua88Graham]

You did recommend Tunnel Bear at some point as a VPN!! 100 Points to me for being THAT* annoying guy. LOL. Great work as always.

[@Commander_Chief]

Great review. Does it come with a headphone jack?

[@fahadbaloch8442]

Very nicely put together

[@windylim]

Thanks for the excellent review! Hoping for more competition so that Samsung stops pushing lacklustre followups to their Fold series

[@levinrajan7438]

The Bad news is that Honor can update the software. Companies are okay with releasing phones with unreliable, unfinished and buggy software just because they know that they can fix it in a future release.

[@Nor-tc8vz]

Just like the games industry nowadays.

[@Notinuse664]

Some of the software bugs are fixed now as on my honor pad 8 I can use a app drawer as well as themes honor watched this video

[@PrayanshAlurkar]

When is samsung galaxy ultra 23 review coming sir ?

[@sandorbence2067]

This was supposed to be around 1000-1200 euros. A much better price. A custom launcher could fix some of the problems, but it's stiil not enough at this point. Plus the 8 gen 2 seems to be super competitive in battery life rather than performace, and the Fold 5 is only around 5 months away if it comes in August. With a hinge that closes flat, so maybe Samsung actually tries to do something on the HW side. Not to mention with Samsung, 4 android versions are guraranteed and software updates come really quick even on the foldable line.