Here is an INSANE Quest Upgrade that You Can Try!

[@pancakewaffles]

Keep in mind that if you have base stations and vive trackers already that this can be used with ANY non base station tracked headset, it's just gonna work best with the quest 2 because of the wireless vr and it escapes Zucks tracking

[@bonzomcbonbon]

Hi pancake lol

[@TheMysticle]

Completely true :) could definitely be used with some headsets with less fortunate tracking solutions to make them base station tracked :D

[@wilferd]

@@TheMysticle I wonder if you could try this with the super light Oculus Go with quest or index controllers. That would be awesome 👌

[@Nicalay2]

@@wilferd With Quest controllersn that's would be hard, but with index controllers, that's 100% possible.

[@tyw321]

I have an original Vive and a Quest 1, would this solution make the latency better (less) on the quest 1 for pcvr?

[@Fr4nk4000]

Thank you so much, I always wanted to use the valve index controllers, but didn't wanna buy the headset itself. I use the quest for pcvr only anyway and now I can enjoy the higher resolution, with superior tracking, which is other than the limited ipd options, the only thing I didn't really like about the quest 2. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing that I don't have to set up any kind of base stations to play VR, but full body tracking and now valve controllers will definetly make the quest 2 feel like a high end headset, which it kinda will be, because of the added cost of the added costs. It's amazing that you can upgrade the quest 2 like this.

[@maxinac]

FYI for darkness quest 2 tracking, get an IR floodlight and just point it at a blank wall somewhere and it'll illuminate your room pretty well.

[@hudsonross420]

Love your videos bro! I love these videos about the quest! This is my first VR headset, and I’m in love with VR. Just got it last Christmas and I can’t wait to see if they make a new headset this year

[@krung_]

they seem to be making one for this year, it's called Project Cambria

[@Epicgamer219YT]

Same

[@Epicgamer219YT]

Same with Hudson

[@Epicgamer219YT]

Because I got it on Christmas 2021

[@saldoesstuff3298]

Rip your comment got stolen by a verified bot

[@testuser7707]

Great explanation, but you’re telling people to change the wrong file. Default is just that: the defaults that SHOULD always be set with a fresh steamVR installation. That file will be overwritten every time steamvr updates. Instead add the mentioned lines to steamvr.vrsettings under the “steamvr” section, default location is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\config

[@nilnumber]

Man, this is something that would've 100% helped me out back then when I was trying to figure Linux VR stuff with my Rift CV1. This makes me think that a HP Reverb G2 can work very well with OpenHMD and a Tracking Override. No more WMR portal that needs to be installed to bloat the boot drive. Just SteamVR and 2 small lightweight programs.

[@Sir_Kis]

Do you know how to turn off the hp reverb's default hmd tracking because this doesn't work without it off.

[@SlappdaBoss]

@@Sir_Kishave you tried reseting floor set up?

[@Hoezaay]

This is wild! So tempted to try this.

[@B-SybrZaku-ThendHaloAirsofting]

Tbh I like the idea of inside out tracking, they should just have put two or four cameras on the back on a cheap but durable head strap. Would fix many tracking problems but could possibly put the price up very slightly

[@Raikuthedragon]

And I recently upgraded to full body tracking for my quest 2 (it's amazing, tho I have to calibrate), this videos makes a lot of things even more possible. I might as well upgrade to valve controllers later.

[@danielcunha6813]

great job as always! If I decide to get full body tracking via lighthouses I will absolutely do that

[@Karmishhh]

I think with this knowledge, you can finnaly use quest 2 FBT with index controllers without using extra dongles or openvr space calibrator :D as long as you have 1 extra tracker to use as your "headset"

[@breadboi4141]

I can finally play Pavlov with proper calibration, I use a Quest 1 with wireless with index controllers and 3 vive trackers, sadly I can’t use full body now that I would use a tracker as a headset tracker and I can’t use my quest controllers as elbow trackers anymore since they aren’t tracked either but I can always just use OpenVR calibration for VRC. Thanks for the vid!

[@canonical5]

Now for snooker and pool using this method on quest 2. Cue-sports wasn't possible with Quest 2 until now! Thanks :)

[@InkwizycjaHiszpanska]

I have fullbody on quest and i was going to buy index controllers since you already could calibrate them to the headset, only difference is that with base station tracking quest it shouldn't require you to recalibrate every single time you take off your headset. So there is a question, how often will you need to fix your playspace like on that steamvr home part? Because i will need a good reason if i'm going to buy 7 more trackers

[@mrgoo8121]

These vids save me in trouble and let me learn new things!

[@herberto__]

This is pretty cool. I can't try this my self because I don't have trackers or index controllers but it's cool that it works!

[@zazethe6553]

actually, you can put the quest in between 2 ipd settings, it stays in place fine. Although it would be better to have an external ipd slider to really test it out.

[@BigEpinstriping]

I've seen 3d printed spacers for the Quest 2 lenses to help set, expand or otherwise lock in different IPD. settings.

[@TrevorJones1]

5:30 "Light house tracking doesn't need light":The Mysticle 2022

[@Dtr146]

I saw out there somewhere that there's custom IPD brackets you can install into the quest. Some of them were even designs that you can 3d print

[@gorillaglue2560]

Now that is way easier than getting two steam VR watchmen dongles, special software, weird calibrating to use Valve Knuckles on any headset.

[@valkayrie1198]

i want to put the tracker on top of the headset instead of on the front. the problem is steamvr wants to put the vr view on the front and back of the tracker, one upside down and the other rightside up. openvr input emulator is too out of date for it's offsets to work so i'm wondering how to rotate the pose of the tracker in steamvr.

[@alpine__fox]

I'm trying this out and have the same issue. Have you found any fix for it?

[@jakeparker6707]

This is incredibly helpful to me as a vrchat dancer and will be doing this with my quest whenever I get the chance. Thank you so much.

[@jakeparker6707]

@thomas burns dude yea they're sick check out makoto jun on youtube he's a vrchat breakdancer

[@krakenmcknighton7664]

what if you did this but with the slime vr trackers removing the need for base stations and light

[@rob5438]

Dude! You are the BEST! So friggin smart that you cracked this I can't wait to try it!

[@flamingscar5263]

This is a really big upgrade for any windows mixed reality headset I started with a Samsung oddessy, and dear God the tracking sucked hard

[@SylvieTheBagel]

Oculus go. 3DOF sucked. My mom thought it was a quest 1 lmao.

[@PolarSends]

@@SylvieTheBagel Rip bro

[@SylvieTheBagel]

@@PolarSends ya. Got a q2 for Christmas though, so that's nice. Go lives under my bed. That thing was great for content consumption, Minecraft VR, using in the dark, and it's headstrap was incredible- compared to quest 2. Still need to get a VRCover for both lol.

[@PolarSends]

@@SylvieTheBagel Lol at atleast you got a 6DOF headset now

[@SylvieTheBagel]

@@PolarSends at least.

[@LuniSq]

Not many people know this, but it's actually possible to put the IPD adjustment in between the predefined notches for the Quest 2. I personally use it between the #1 and #2 presets which gives me an effective 61-62mm of IPD.

[@NightfoxNiko]

Now we just need base stations that aren't as expensive as the headset itself.

[@daxsheepard9344]

Mans is becoming the Steven Hawking of VR🔥

[@naurorasen8063]

if anyones curious the song the level hes playing in 6:00 is Jamie Berry ft. Octavia Rose - Lost In The Rhythm

[@Mike-nz1dc]

I love your Videos ❤ they really help

[@gpu_collector]

hi mysticvle ive been watching your videos for about 6 months now and i love your content keep up the great work

[@Korvorkian1]

A fantastic dive tutorial into how to do this. Nice work!

[@ethanvalentine4299]

so random thought..... the valve index controllers are base station tracked without an external tracker meaning the tracker is built in. So if they can squeeze that into a controller in addition to all the other hardware then I am going to assume the majority of the bulk for vive pucks and the tundra are batteries.. could we see an attachment to the quest controllers that adds the lighthouse tracking function without the bulky tracker if we were able to utilize the battery power of the controller?

[@ax0rz0]

So in theory, paired with the PS5 controllers haptics, I could use 1 or 2 of them and use it for VR?

[@TheMysticle]

Actually, yes, even tracking them in the 3D space using these trackers. You'd just need a driver for them for SteamVR to see them.

[@ax0rz0]

@@TheMysticle It would be quite useful for car racing games and games that only need one hand, kind of like job simulator or a flight simulator.

[@SilvyReacts]

Personally, I don't see it as big of an upgrade as you do, since I don't really see the benefit of having hand tracking behind my back. As in, I can't think of many circumstances where I would be in VR and need to put my hands behind my back. The only circumstance I can think of, is in Skyrim when pulling out a sword from behind my back, or arrows, but that works just fine since it's not like I need to put my hand fully behind my back to do it. So what is the actual benefit then? How would it help my VR experience? Plus keep in mind how expensive everything would cost. When you start buying base stations and trackers after buying a quest 2, you are going to start getting into the price range where you should have just purchased an Index instead. Right?

[@enzomercier2789]

You can do funky poses on VR chat lol. But yeah, I agree, definitely not worth it to spend so much for so little, I guess he kinda forgot about the cost since he has them on hands anyways.

[@DFX2KX]

VTOL VR and loosing tracking on the controllers comes to mind right off the bat. This is an upgrade path, as opposed to just buying an index as soon as you've got the budget and chucking the Quest in the bin. And VRIK for me in skyrim does have some tracking issues, though you can work around it.

[@SilvyReacts]

@@DFX2KX How do you lose tracking in VTOL (I never played it)? Based on how it looks, wouldn't your hands always be in front of you? As for VRIK having tracking issues, they can usually be solved by fiddling around with the settings and increasing the activation range. I suppose you also need to be careful not to put your hand entirely behind your back when grabbing things, like a dagger or shield.

[@DFX2KX]

@@SilvyReacts looking over your shoulder for missiles can (and in my case, DOES and at the worst moments) take one hand out of the field of view for the headset. in VRIK I have activation range maxed as well. I have to tilt my head at a funny angle to grab my bow. it's rather annoying. my understanding is that tracking can suffer for all sorts of random lighting-related issues. and one of them seems to be biting me.

[@SilvyReacts]

@@DFX2KX Huh, I see. I guess I can see how that could be an issue. So guess it depends on the game and circumstances. I suppose maybe it would be a good idea for them to include sensors in the back for future headsets, though the only way I can see that being feasible is if it's integrated into the head strap or I wonder if it would be possible to just make it an attachment that plugs into the headset's usb-c port.

[@Jkauppa]

btw, with optical fibers, in cables, the lenses and displays, whatever size, do not have to be mostly on the head, they can be where the processing power is, like back or on top, or in pocket, via cable

[@deelay05]

I have developed an app for mobile phones that allows you to put them base stations into standby mode, if anyone needs such a thing at all..

[@vsmz]

Thank you for this banger video man

[@Stephanthecuteblondie2567]

There's a problem for me, each time i change the steamVR settings it just reset each time i turn on steamVR, how can i fix this?

[@RheniumVA]

Same issue. did you ever fix this?

[@BadCatCafe]

You're my hero... AWESOME JOB!!

[@andrewmorris483]

As much as I don't like El Zuck I prefer it over the Pico Neo, which is a little too involved with the ccp for my taste.

[@Tofuscrambler1]

I am attempting to set up my Valve Base Stations (plugged into power and green) but cannot get them to show up in steam VR. Steam VR > Base Station Settings > please enable bluetooth to access wireless features such as base station power management and updates > view bluetooth settings > bluetooth not available but my bluetooth is on and working connected to other devices like my headphones. Steam VR has worked fine using my quest 2 and virtual desktop streamer. In addition I am attempting to pair my tundra trackers to the valve base stations using my oculus quest 2 and virtual desktop streamer. My issue is connecting the base stations initially. Thank you for all of your help in advance.

[@crushdbs1010]

Would you happen to be able to share if there are performance penalties to driving VR this way? I use Quest 2 through Virtual Desktop exclusively, I previously tried using Mixed VR with Quest 2 headset and lighthouse tracked Index controllers and noticed higher latency/lower FPS than if I just used Quest 2. Would you happen to have any info on performance comparison of this setup you've shared in this video vs Virtual Desktop w/ Quest 2 vs Virtual Desktop Mixed VR Quest 2 + Index?

[@CowboybubPercussion]

Try the dumbbell weight attachment for touch controllers, and attaching the trackers to those, completely removable and much more stable mounting option

[@Ballissle]

I really wish there was a way to make use of my cv1 camera trackers. They sit on my walls unused since I switched to Q2 for PCVR. I have no intentions of buying steamVR base stations and controllers though. As nice as it would be, it aint worth it for someone who doesn't already have some and can manage fine with the inside out tracking and quest controllers.

[@vortexobv5780]

So would this help my bad beat saber tracking?

[@vortexobv5780]

if i had just one hooked up to the headset and just used the normal quest 2 controllers

[@swifty1969]

that Danny Devito cardboard cut out freaked me out for a moment.

[@iks8622]

If only we could do the same with the Rift sensors... Do your magic please :)

[@voltagemike4457]

reading the other person with a samsung odyssey, pretty sure you already can

[@crispycrusader1]

So for a mounting situation just a 3 point mounting clip on the controllers should work, two of the clips on the thumbatick side of the rings and one clip at the top

[@jpawhees]

Did you try with headset tracking as well as lighthouse tracking using the oculus controllers? Possibly Put lighthouse at the back for rear and side and use headset tracking for front. Also would this work with the oculus rift tracking cameras. Cause now mine sit there doing nothing. A while ago oculus said they would not bother using a conjunction unless there was popular demand for it.

[@matthewdestefano888]

Danny Devito scared the crap out of me at 4:21 for some reason.

[@joshuamiller8235]

I wish I could use my oculus Rift CV1 sensors with my Quest 2 for PCVR use. Hopefully some modder figures that out in the future.

[@friendlyhobo8596]

Same here, bought a quest to avoid spending to much on the index but with the trackers its already like $6-700 lol

[@omarbray637]

I know this is an old ass vid but you fuckin rock b! thank you so much!

[@ryderodonnell1078]

The quest 2 can technically track in the dark when you have base stations on because they produce infrared light. At least the 1.0 base stations do I do not own 2.0 so I have no idea I assume the function much the same though. The biggest benefit of doing this though is no longer having to re-calibrate my goddamn controllers every time I take off my headset.

[@Snexzyy]

Love your vids! ❤

[@luizz1997]

Funny to see that video because i planned and bought a new vive tracker just to do that last week (still waiting it to arrive)

[@MedienGulli]

thats actually insane! might get tundras for this. i hate zucks tracking.

[@IExistIguess1]

Man helps me more than the help section given by oculus

[@PollyWantACraxer]

That was the most amazing idea for the quest 2, ive ever seen

[@Bobb-y1v]

You can just switch the lenses in between. Just kinda push them halfway

[@mariu54058]

Mark his words: "A fastantic headset for a fastantic price"

[@MCOGroupNews]

"I'm tracking behind my head Mark what are you gonna do to me" I don't wanna know what Daddy Zuckerberg is gonna do

[@zenwilds2911]

Pretty please make a video about our options as to which headset to buy (aside from Meta/Oculus). Must be able to play Zenith.

[@granther8693]

Bro, I did this yesterday after you posted the video about using this method to play SteamVR on a phone. Although, my current Quest/Index Controller setup with Space Cal seems to work the best for me

[@robdavis8556]

I don't have a problem with the IPD, but I reckon you could 3D print a spacing block to force the lenses to stay in the right place.

[@MCOGroupNews]

That's a pretty smart idea actually, especially for those awkward in between IPDs

[@fairplayer916]

very cool. Im hoping the self tracked controllers on the Q3 will give a simular experience.

[@clownavenger0]

So quest 2 headset 300$, base stations for 300$ Index controllers for 280$, Audio strap for quest 2 around 100$, and possible Link cable for 80$ plus whatever those trackers cost ya. Cool experiment for people who already own some of these components though. For PC VR ive used both headsets and the clarity of the Index and Quest 2 seem to be about the same due to the quest 2's compression but with a lower FOV. The stand alone experience is really cool on the quest and i love bringing it to friends houses for beat saber and other games so no diss on that device. Just letting people who are unaware know if you only want PCVR its better to look elsewhere unless you are cool with a few compromises. The Index is an older device but still a very good one with great clarity in motion due to the frame rate while also not being incredibly hard to run cause the resolution is lower. The oculus touch controllers are great as well if you want to have a fun experience. for 300 dollars as opposed to 1000.

[@Victrine]

I feel really dumb, but I have been trying to get this to work all day. I'm trying to use a vive 2.0 puck attached to the front of the gasket. I have managed to get them tracked as a head bowever the image is flipped upside down and extremly distorted with black bars looking up and down. I'll be honest with you, I have no idea what i've done wrong and would really like to get this working.

[@TheMysticle]

Okay, so it being upside down should just be fixable by rotating the vive puck. The black bars and distortion should be fixable by resetting your quest view into the right position by moving around a bit and holding the flat oculus button on your right controller. Hope that helps! 😃

[@Victrine]

@@TheMysticle I thought that was the issue originally, however, rotating the tracker and then resetting quest view ends up flipping the image upside down again. As for the black bars and distortion, It almost looks like I'm looking at a plane, resetting the veiw doesn't seem to make it any better.

[@Victrine]

@@TheMysticle Ok so, the VR preview in steam vr is perfectly fine, everything is working perfectly in there, It's just in the headset that it's so distorted and flipped I'm totally lost

[@saiplatano]

that's what's happening to me too!

[@vaibhavgohil9724]

@@saiplatano did anyone find a fix for this?

[@priscillaquinn9505]

"I'm tracking behind my head mark .. what are you going to do to me??!"

[@jacobeu6414]

Genius! What an upgrade!

[@mmxoxo]

Did i have to Do the steamvr setting in the beginning, when i just have the tracker on the head for the full body to not need Re calibrate All the time when i was afk from my playspace??

[@granther8693]

The Zuck is probably angry he didn't think about this first

[@BlizzyFox]

This wouldn't work for me. The view was upside down and counter-rotating to my head as if the tracker should have been placed on the back of the headset? I was also unable to complete room setup as my controllers were misaligned to steamvr somehow. I have index controllers but couldn't use them for the room setup for some reason. Any advice?

[@watermelon73729]

Can you sideload the software to the controller and headset so if you don't have a tundra tracker and to the headset so you can play in the dark without the tracker

[@chillkpch8711]

How do you connect the base stations and trackers to your quest? Im fairly new to FBT, but have 2.0 pucks and two 2.0 basestations?

[@Fireplay79]

So that eliminates having to calibrate the index controllers? And do you have to have a tracker on it

[@EfficientJava]

I couldn't find any other mention of replacing the fresnel lenses with pancake lenses other than in the intro of the video. I cannot find much online about it either. Did I miss it or are you releasing something else in the future about it?

[@jordanhannah3912]

What software are you using to offset your tracker? Or do you just directly offset in firmware? I have been having trouble adjusting my tracker correctly because even if It is aligned with the fov of the headset it still looks weird, distorted, and the controllers don't match up with their physical position. I currently use driver4vr to offset the tracker.

[@aidangolemi127]

Hes not only smart in tech but Hes insane in beat saber

[@Talewavo]

can you use the index Controllers on the quest 2? bcause of finger tracking?

[@spidfirechan5830]

does this also work on other non lighthouse headsets like the hp reverb g2? i might buy the g2 but I really wanna have lighthouse tracking

[@xXStringZXx]

Oh this would be great if combined with the Haptic Gloves that Lucas VRTech is building (Since it's less bulky to have a Tundra tracker than a Quest 2 Joystick)

[@AirHead-dp8qc]

Can you just turn on vibe controllers and they are tracked or do you still have to follow the instructions in the other video?

[@shaynedale7676]

Can this be used on oculus games (re4 vr) and where did you get the tundra tracker?

[@d4griifer]

I'm thinking about buying the valve knuckles with the light houses and i was thinking do i need anything else other than the 2 usb connectors for the knuckles, the knuckles themselfs and the lighthouses?

[@CRT_YT]

whatever he says you need is probably all you need

[@CRT_YT]

so in this case yes

[@colin5463]

I wonder if it would be possible to track ur quest 2 controllers with just a mobile phone from the back while using quest 2 inside out tracking at front meaning you can move ur controllers everywhere.

[@Mojojac]

I actually use my original base station as lights and play in the dark with the oculus quest 2, it's craze if you put on see throught you can see in the dark

[@SomewhatGooby]

Hey Mysticle! I was wondering if you could help people with the issue of the Oculus app not installing? It says not enough space when my friends and I have plenty.

[@Duckyy.]

they need to add cameras on the front then on the side where the straps are then on the back with an elite strap or 3rd party strap that would connect to the quests battery port that would aloow the extra cameras to work

[@Jesus-qp8qh]

This would be amazing, but it would bring the cost of the headset, which kinda sucks

[@saiplatano]

wait so by doing this, I won't ever have to recalibrate while doing full body tracking on VRchat?

[@AshKi11zVR]

Love the stuff u do man!! Quick side question, but what is the most recent version that supports modded beat saber? Cause with the new update coming out soon idk what to do lol

[@kanapkazpasztetem]

I understand putting tracker on the headset but why do we need tracker on quest controllers? can't they be "hacked" in some way to work without gluing any additional stuff?

[@busteronlyfullscreenmode]

Is it possible to use slimevr trackers to expand the controller tracking zone behind the head too?

[@sidney1234usc]

That was neat you should show us some footage of you playing a fps game

[@alpine__fox]

So I'm trying this out currently and the "headset" seems to track properly for the most part but I can't see much since I am able to see the tracker itself. Also depending on where I look, sometimes my view flips upside down. Is there a fix for this? I really want to use the Quest 2 as my main headset but OVR Space Calibrator is such a pain imo so I haven't been.

[@JohnnMug]

Using quest 2 with index controllers do you get full functionality of those index controllers like finger tracking?

[@Gorgonzeye]

What I see in the headset is not properly aligned rotationally. The view is on my right. If I rotate the tracker manually so that it sits on edge on the front of the HMD, I can align the view like that, but then the location and orientation changes are misaligned.

[@kidades]

I'm trying this out now and having the same problem. Have you ever managed to get it fixed?

[@CarlosWillis]

What was that bit about the replacement lenses? Is there something your going to tell us?

[@ripstitch7816]

What about the lenses tho, that's the one thing I'm trying to fix, just kinda skipped over it after mentioning it

[@thegdog368]

Just asking, do u need to tape em to us stuff or can u use mounted stations?