Pathfinder Religion Guide: Inevitables

[@KingJohnnyAngels]

"Welcome back to my channel, the best place on the internet for Pathfinder content" No lies detected in this statement.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Haha! Thank you!

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

Allright, i never thought the Inevitables was this intreasting to learn about, i allways thought they were the Aeon version of Demons and Qlipphons and placed them in the "To hard to understand" box

[@TheMythKeeper]

Really all you need to know is machine-gods ;-)

[@HuevoBendito]

Planning on using these guys once Mythic gets released.

[@justincherry4027]

After having several craft focused wizards, learning about a construct that cant be made by a mortal is absolutely awesome. I've reached the point of being able to make quintessence golems but nothing comes close to inevitables

[@TheMythKeeper]

Take your crafting to the next level! Visit the adamantine forge in Axis!

[@AndrewBahls]

Valmallos, Prime Inevitable of Gatekeeping. A *Prime* example of Toxic Lawfulness. 🤣

[@TheMythKeeper]

🤣🤣🤣

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

I see, it's him who fucked with my magic in the transition of 1e in to 2e

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@theprinceofawesomeness 🤣🤣🤣

[@dragonlord498]

Sometimes gate keeping is good sure no sane person would want demons or other fiends to just enter the material or none evil planes whenever they please

[@trajanfidelis1532]

Inevitables are super cool. Thanks for the video!

[@ColinGrym]

Some moments of this video were giving me Ultron/Robocop/Terminator vibes, in particular Inevitables enforcing contracts regardless of the terms, suppressing all rebellions, or making sure criminals are punished regardless of context/ethics. I get the sense that Axiomites and Aphorites are the engineers, artists and scientists of order who would ideally prefer to be left to create, discover, and catalogue. After watching this video it appears they created Inevitables to handle the militant and enforcement duties that were required. Inevitables appear to embody order taken to an extreme of legality and logic. A Protean would strive to see all organized systems of governments/organizations toppled even if they improved lives, and an Inevitable would work to preserve them if they didn't. They are opposites on the cosmic scales as it were. I like that it's specifically mentioned that Inevitables aren't mindless or completely opposed to negotiation since that helps keep them away from "Lawful Stupid". I will say I still got the sense they are single-minded and nearly impossible to meaningfully deflect from their decisions and goals (as is the case with many outsiders due to Pharasma's philosophical sorting of souls/quintessence). Speaking of cosmic balance: given how enamored I was with them, it's no surprise I find myself preferring the Aeons (as in the non-Axiomite/Aphorite creatures in the 1st of these 2 videos). Inevitables seek to combat chaos or unlawfulness in all instances whereas Aeons seem to account for and work with them. E.g. you have the Paracletus Aeons that maintain balance between logic AND passion, embodying all mental states instead of only orderly thought. I think Aeons could be more accurately described as Balanced than Orderly/Lawful given that their worldview is far more inclusive than just law. As best as I can understand, Aeons acknowledge and maintain reality as it truly exists (which provably includes law, chaos, and many other philosophies). Thus they don't back a side but rather strive for balance among opposing forces like logic and emotion, knowledge and ignorance, magic and technology and so on. To me it's an interesting thought that part of the cosmic rulebook for a functional reality protected by The Monad and Aeons is that some portions of reality won't predictably follow the rules. Rule 1: there are no universal rules (except this one, and maybe not even this one). Finally, I noticed how similar Inevitables are to Androids (as described in your Constructs Creature Feature). Both are intelligent, self-determining souls housed in manufactured bodies and seem to share similar characteristics like being healed by positive energy. The difference seems to be in the proportion of science and magic during creation with Inevitables being more organic/magical a la most outsiders whereas Androids are almost purely technological. I get the sense that Androids are far more variable philosophically - is this is because Inevitables are outsiders (aka sorted soulstuff) whereas Androids are unsorted? It would be interesting to know how the two groups would view each other, and whether they would feel a kinship based on similarities or animosity based on differences. Thanks as always for your work!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Robocops of the Heavens is totally the right vibe for the Inevitables. I think Ultron and Terminator maybe are a little too homicidal, but that's me. Axiomite/Aphorites and Inevitables are definitely on the same side of the coin here, but the classic Aeons are doing something very different. As you point out, they're not really about Law, they're about eternity, cosmic continuity and balance - and yes, that in fact necessitates some chaos in there as well. They created the Axiomites and the Inevitables to serve as a counter-balancing force against the Proteans, but I do think there are circumstances where they would side against the Axiomites and the Inevitables. Its more complex than the LN alignment given to them in 2E expresses for sure. The main difference between Inevitables and Androids is basically what you pointed. Inevitables are post-mortal outsides, Androids are mortal. Its weird to think of a machine as being mortal, but they definitely are. Their souls start a blank slate and they won't be judged in Pharasma's court until they expire. Also "judged" is totally the wrong word. When Pharasma "judges" souls she's actually just sorting them. So souls that become Inevitables have been assigned to their role because that spirit has already acquired a Lawful perspective in its lived life. All Inevitables have a Lawful demeanor in a sense, because Pharasma sorted them all together. As unsorted, unjudged mortal souls, Androids have a completely free range of dispositions and attitudes. Apart from this, they're pretty conceptually similar.

[@ColinGrym]

@@TheMythKeeper After your video I watched an interview with Karl Urban who played Judge Dredd (who I completely forgot about) in 2012. He said he liked acting out the duality of the character as both lawful savior and dictatorial enforcer, and that sounded familiar. "I am the law!" has never been so applicable as a catchphrase. "As in literally the embodiment of the multiversal concept." It's cool that I got close to the truth of Androids vs. Inevitables, but your clarification about Androids being mortal souls clears things up. I watched your Numeria video today to see what you have said previously about Androids. It's surreal how certain aspects were really personally applicable and it's so perfect I want to mention it. It's a crazy story but in 2019-2020 I actually had months worth of memory-erasing seizures because of an old snowboarding head injury and as such have total amnesia about my life before age 39 (don't worry, they found an anti-seizure med that fixed it so I am now approaching 4 years of memories with zero seizures). The memory I lost was specifically episodic as opposed to semantic (stored in different areas of the brain), meaning that for instance I knew how to read/write but forgot ever having gone to school. Why it matters in this conversation is that for years now I've described it like waking up in an adult body, in those words. So I can relate in a way most people will probably never have to. For several months I worked with a neurologist, psychiatrist, and those close to me. I had to re-meet my family and friends as if for the first time, learn about social norms, what kind of person I'd been, and basically how to live in an adult body - no word a lie. I've had strange moments like listening to my friendly hairdresser tell me stories about how much I enjoyed a vacation in the Bahamas I don't remember taking. A few months ago I was talking to my buddy about concerts and found out I've been to about a dozen of them and just don't remember. Sadly my Android-esque reboot does not include an ageless, disease-resistant body, which is a grievance I'll have to bring up with whoever it turns out is running the joint lol. With that personal exposition done, as always I genuinely appreciate the time you take to read and reply to posts. Please don't worry I'll feel angry or disappointed if you don't respond to this or any other comment, but know I do enjoy our chats since I find your content and additions quite engaging.

[@TheMythKeeper]

​@@ColinGrym You have an incredible story, thanks for sharing. I've never had a memory erasing seizure, but as I get older, the early parts of my life are fading fast. I really struggle to remember anything that actually happened to me before college. Most of high school and elementary school are a complete blur. I also traveled a lot growing up, so I lived in many different homes, most of which I can't remember. Sometimes I'll look at an old photo and I'll get a flood of memories, which is pretty wild, but for the most part, I feel like those experiences largely happened to a different person. There are times I meet young people (especially depressed young people in High School), and they think that what's happening to them in that moment (a breakup usually, or being bullied) is the most important thing in the world, and you kind of want to tell them - just wait, your life has only just begun and in 20 years you won't remember any of this anyway. I'm not sure if that would help at all, tbh? But memory is wild thing. It feels like it defines you until it doesn't, and then you realize you're still you, with or without it - and its something else that defines you. Anyway - if you get a chance to play an Android PC in a Pathfinder game you should do it. Could be fun or cathartic for you ;-)

[@Ofley_Adventures]

Inevitables and their connection to the gods is awesometacular. Have a blessed day everyone! Thanks for the vid.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Like I said in the intro - this was a really fun one for me.

[@ProfJimbles]

YES. YES. YESSS. 17:10 - You did waht I was hoping you would! I've been kinda falling off your videos when they're *solely* the lore, I love the lore, but I really want some personal connection: What do YOU enjoy? How have your players reacted to some of these? What are some plot hooks or other unique and interesting threads someone could follow?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yeah, I hear you on this. One thing I get asked a lot is to do adventure recaps, and I think as I get through the last few Inner Sea region deep dives (so probably still a few months out, just to set expectations), I'll start doing that. I'm thinking of calling it Pathfinder 616 (like Marvel's 616 universe) and making it a recap of my own personal instance of the Pathfinder world, starting with a summary of the events of my own Curse of the Crimson Throne game. Transparently this may end up being even more work than the deep dives as I'll have to dig up all my old notes and the re-read all the APs, but it could end up being really cool.

[@ereviscale3966]

@@TheMythKeeper I just want to say that I would watch either way. But if you tell it as a sort of narrative I think a lot of people on KZbin are into that. Whenever someone is just telling a story people like that I think. I know I also just like dates, facts, and important events as well but maybe I'm a minority?

[@Jaydog2012]

I would love to see a video about some of the noticable weaponry throughout Pathfinder history. And perhaps items and equipment.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Cool video idea. I'll see what I can do about that.

[@Pathsfound]

Marut inevitables appear in James Sutter's Pathfinder tales novels as well as the spiral of Bones comic series!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yes! Point out all the novel connections!

[@onogal775]

Thanks for the new video! Sadly I couldnt get to watching the last few until now. Your work is absolutely amazing :) Thanks for all the work you do.

[@TheMythKeeper]

And thank you so much for watching and commenting!

[@yaelz6043]

These guys are so cool that they came up with Thanos' signature line before he did. AND they're magical space heaven (subjectively speaking, they don't live in the place literally called heaven) robots to boot.

[@TheMythKeeper]

They are indeed inevitable 😅

[@carlborneke8641]

Hearing about your own character was really nice. I would love to watch a video where you talk about characters you have played in more depth.

[@TheMythKeeper]

See my reply to @ProfJimbles below - I do think I'll do something like that in the future ;-)

[@TheLionheartArts]

I have been Waiting Awesome!!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Hope it was worth the wait

[@boldcitylongsword9941]

In my home campaign setting, in the one major city the PCs visit, that city is at war with a necropolis. Roughly a hundred years ago the city was ruled by bickering noble houses whose in-fighting was causing the city to lose the war. In desperation, they used all their resources to gate in a Marut to battle the necropolis for them. Once he arrived, he deemed he could not defend the Necropolis on his own so he displaced the noble houses and made himself king until the war is over. It’s been a century and the necropolis still stands.

[@TheMythKeeper]

This is awesome 😎

[@ereviscale3966]

Thanks for another great one Mythkeeper 🎉 Edit: MythKeeper with a Kapital K. sorry!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Haha, thank you!

[@CooperativeWaffles]

The Arse Father deserves more exposure.

[@namelesssomebody2557]

So is the Worldwound Jerishall's biggest shame?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Hey they patched it up now! I'm sure some of his folks helped mend things there in fact.

[@snazzmaw]

As always, thanks for the upload!

[@TheMythKeeper]

🥳🎉

[@VenatorStellorum]

I see that Grimforge screenshot at 5:18 lol, even the MythKeeper has been seduced to investigating Faerun by BG3 it seems

[@TheMythKeeper]

Hahaha! You got me. >.>

[@user-mh4xk9eh9l]

"Pretty cool" indeed, Sire.

[@FlyingBeagles423]

Great video!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Thanks!

[@baalzebub1528]

Hey, great video, Pathfinder is such a huge media that it's great to have resumes of lore points. You used a lot of Magic the gathering illustrations in this video, I suppose because of a lack of official ones. Maybe it would be better to mention it when it's the case, so the viewers could know when it's not official designs ?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Its a good suggestion and a fair ask. I must admit I decided very early on (around my Varisia video) that I would just approximate art when it wasn't available because there's more lore than there is representative art for it. I started down the path of trying to credit and source the art, but if basically proved to be pretty overwhelming and I gave up. Since then I have sourced heavily from pinterest, artstation, deviantart, game concept art and mtg art as well and I just hope my viewers can recognize the Paizo house style and make those determinations themselves.

[@agsilverradio2225]

I could see a marute teaming up with the phycopomps.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yeah, they would make for natural allies

[@mackenziefa]

I would LOVE to hear about your characters!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Awesome, a few people have commented the same. I'm now working on doing an adventure recap series for you guys. I still have a backlog of basic lore stuff to get through, but I'm working on it. 🙂

[@mackenziefa]

Woohoo!! Looking forward to it :)

[@israelmorales4249]

Great video, thx a lot!

[@TheMythKeeper]

Glad you liked it!

[@RicardoPM777]

Hot to love and fear inevitables

[@russvickery71]

My current character is a cleric of Nethys, I think they’re going to need to find a way to communicate with Valmallos. Thanks again for your great work. Any chance of an update on the under-dark deep dive? (I forget what pathfinder calls it)

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yes, Regional Deepdive: The Darklands is now recorded and mostly edited. Its about 4 deepdive videos away now. Upcoming we have Central Mwangi Expanse next; then Andoran; then Katapesh and then I have Darklands. Some good stuff in the works here.

[@israelmorales4249]

let me guess, your chracter is a warforged cleric?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Aphorite Pact Witch ;-)

[@jriggan]

🍻

[@chrisowens6054]

I like pathfinder lore even though I don't play pathfinder games, is that ok.

[@TheMythKeeper]

That's totally okay, but if you get a chance to join a game, I encourage you to jump in. (Also consider picking up Wrath of the Righteous by Owlcat Games or Kingmaker, if you like the world.)

[@ltcinsane]

I'm kind of surprised in a way that the Maruts haven't acted against the creators of the sun orchid elixir... but i guess it probably isn't as terrible as becoming undead ect.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Yeah there seems to be a few 'approved' ways of becoming immortal that don't immediately receive the backlash you might expect from the various stewards of life and destiny that can be found across the multiverse. High level Monks can also acquire a timeless body, but you don't see Psychopomps hunting down ever old monk in the universe either.

[@francy_pw3369]

I honestly hoped for the last 4 primes to be inspired by the 4 fundamental forces of physics: gravity, electromagnetism and strong and weak atomic force

[@TheMythKeeper]

It _almost_ works - Jerishall - Gravity Oltolmens - Atomic Forces Now I'm reaching -> Kerkamoth - Electromagnetism? Maybe? Not really, he's really an entropy god. No way to make Valballos work here either

[@francy_pw3369]

@@TheMythKeeper Kerkamorth actually works better for one of the atomic forces because one of the two explains entropy if i'm not mistaken (i could be confused with one of the laws of thermodynamics tho)

[@sawyerrambo5763]

Could a dead prime inevitable come back into play?

[@TheMythKeeper]

I don't see why not. Its a fantastical world, and if Arazni can come back to life 2000 years after her death, why not an Inevitable?

[@goldenbrigain7031]

Wow…Valmallos must hate Nethys’

[@TheMythKeeper]

Haha! Yes, 100%

[@Mr_S8an]

has there ever been a Marut who has tried to lay waste to the entire nation of Geb? would seem like a prime target for them.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Maruts seem pretty powerful, until you realize that your typical elder lich or vampire lord has access to spells like Disintegrate that might make short work of even such a powerful post-mortal creature. The Ghost-King's nation is well-fortified against such threats.

[@Mr_S8an]

@@TheMythKeeper yeah assumed as much. Not that i thought that they would have a chance, just that they might have tried.

[@user-ru7qu5hb6z]

Can you share the pictures that you are using for these videos? Would be great to be able to use them in games.

[@TheMythKeeper]

A fair request and I hear you on how useful that would be, but I make too many videos too quickly (1/week) to add the overhead of also providing art collections per video as well, but you're welcome to screenshot and then use "search by image" on google to track the original or you can use Adobe express to pull something from the background.

[@burningbronze7555]

Can you do something to do with psionics as I know 1st edition had it?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Like schools of magic, this is something I'm waiting on. I think some of this will get refined better as part of remaster when they're not as closely tied to D&D mechanics, so hopefully in the coming year we get some updated lore I can distill for you all.

[@jkw22]

with so many factions at odds with each other how does any faction get anything done

[@TheMythKeeper]

They mostly fight and argue 🤣

[@RicardoPM777]

There some other inevitables, aren't there?

[@TheMythKeeper]

In every one of these videos I've done, there have been a handful of examples that I haven't covered. Partly this is because the PFU is a living universe, and they're always adding creatures, and other times its because art hasn't been available, or less easily available, or because they're a very rare example of the creature type. I try to cover as much as I can, but there's always a little something left on the cutting room floor I'm afraid.

[@RicardoPM777]

You make wonders with mtg art and others, I have no idea how you got the Calendar primordial Inevitable

[@RicardoPM777]

Your video was amazing as always especially the introduction

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@RicardoPM777 - That one is actual official art - from the Concordance of Rivals sourcebook.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Why is this a religion guide and not, say, a creature feature?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Its a religion guide because the Prime Inevitables count as gods, and they can be worshipped by mortal clerics and acquire divine power from them in terms of the actual game.

[@CooperativeWaffles]

I categorize this video primarily as Religion, then Outer Planes and Bestiary.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Because the Inevitables counts as gods and their attendant servants. They just happen to be so lawful they twist the meaning of good and evil doesn't make them less divine.

[@ereviscale3966]

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[@TheMythKeeper]

Haha! Love this. I'm totes pro-elitism when it comes to my channel members 😅😅😅

[@ereviscale3966]

It's open to anyone who considers themselves a VIP. But I encourage people to give you support! I wasn't being serious but you can't really tell online so I should mention it.

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@ereviscale3966 😅 It's all good, we know it was said with humor :-)

[@CooperativeWaffles]

Think I may of wondered into the wrong space.