Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee | for $150, definitely!

[@juanfuentes8756]

As someone that doesn´t own the 58x or the 660s and is just trying to make an informed purchase I find it difficult to believe in this comparison. My main issue is that he is comparing both headphones based on memory. I find it very unlikely that he remembers every detail of how the 660s sounds.

[@milan425]

I got these about month and half ago, shipped from MD to to Srbija. It cosed me in total close to 200 euros. Worth every dinar. Sponge/ foam all removed, inside and out (behind both the grill and pads). Small differences, but all are there. Now, lows are bit less present, still have same punch but bit less shock, and that gets them bit more detailed. Highs are bit more defined, have better presents and textured bit nicely. That makes stage bit wider. Mids are... my daily drug. Voices are same but all around em gets bit better. Songs of Angels asks no alteration. There are headphones with "better" sound, sure, but when I put these on, I simply don't care. I can feel endorphin rushing through me. Smile takes over my lips. Heaven, at last! Thank you Sennheiser, for all parts are interchangeable. Pads are interchangeable (I think), cables also, back grills, yes, get on Sennheisers spare pats site and get 660 if these are really bad. I think they're OK, bit tough yes, they're not memo foam. But it takes 5 second of music for me to forget every single thing and enjoy the sound. Thats what matters, no?

[@wsp5519]

agreed. just it will getting hot after 1+ hrs and always remind me rest for a while.

[@Scourge0fGod]

Koristiš li neki amp/ dac za njih ili direktno sa računara ?

[@milan425]

@@Scourge0fGod danas je i telefon dovoljno jak da ih vozi. A za pc, imam eksternu zvučnu karticu koja ide na receiver sa izlazom za slušalice.

[@thechef5531]

I've been doing blind tests with the 660s , and the 58x(foam removed from grills) since May 2018. I'm currently at 28 people so far. 1 person on their first try was able to pick out the 660s , 75% of the time. That's it. Everyone else failed miserably. It's real easy for biased opinions justifying cost. They're so similar it's not even funny. I bet you wouldn't pass a blind test. I'm waiting for someone to do a blind test on KZbin, but everyone seems too scared. Lol Amps used: Woo Audio WA22 for tube sound. Ray Samuels Dark Star for solid state. Dac used: Schiit Yggy (A2-Gen5)

[@TheNitpicker]

I'd definitely pick the right ones blindly, since I could easily hear a difference, a small one but enough to be noticeable especially if you know what to look for

[@kirjuschaks]

I guess the 58X was Sennheisers last resort making at least some decent prophet with the 660S, which was quite a fail after the 650 legend. They simply changed the driver housing/damping to cheaper materials to making it not too obvious... voila hd58x... Divided fail is half a fail for massdrop & sennheiser...

[@rajatbansal512]

Hey thanks for this dont pay attention to hate make your own KZbin compilation would be damnn amazing

[@kirjuschaks]

@@rajatbansal512 I'm not a hater and I only like Zeos reviews watching high on pot... I owned a HD700 (hd660 driver with bright tuning) and it was a quite good sounding can, but nothing like a legendary hd580/600 in timbre.

[@Peter-ii4xq]

Most people (read man) think they have execeptional good ears. I found out that's only a few percent.

[@justanotheryoutubeuser5029]

As someone who owns the 58x, i can say its really close to the 660. I agree with zeos review, its not worth getting the 660 if the difference is so small. There were times in some songs they were identical.

[@turbomustang84]

I'm holding the 660s in my right hand and the 58X in my left and they are Damn similar in sound but I still prefer the 650 and 600 or even my 580 & 580 jubilee to either . Bang for buck is definitely the 58X but for a few more dollars the 6XX is a worth while upgrade . I've tried many of the high end Audeze and Focal Stellia's which the Stellia's are my favorite of all but the Sennheiser 650 or 6XX do somethings better than the $3000 Headphones I've tried. Sennheiser got it right years ago

[@Edwinvangent]

I felt I remember... man it depends what your mood is today... the most subjective review I ever heard.

[@ethanoux10]

Audio is subjective and personal. We all have different ears and the same headphone can sound different for different people

[@acetigg6690]

Just got these today andcant get any sound out of the rear audio ports. in the sounds settings it shows sound is coming out of it tho. the front ports work fine. anyone know how ot fix this?

[@verdielg]

So in your opinion, the 579s or 58Xs? Looking for clarity in the mids and highs but like the power config and price point of the 58Xs.

[@sizif717]

It's an old trick Sennheiser are doing when positioning their models. Take a good headphone they have developed, stuff some damping, some different colours an external styling - and now you have two different models, one sounding more "opened" and costs 50% or so more. They are doing that for decades.

[@ultraviolet7129]

Hey Damir, how would you compare the 58x to the m1060 or the m1060c? I'm mainly looking for more clarity, better mid and low end as something less fatiguing.

[@derekgrimes6544]

herzlichen Dank für die Nissenpfückerei(?) Haarspalterei :) please let us know if you find a decent balanced cable to go with them. I'm thinking of investing in a pair for music, language learning, films and of course your informative nitpicking clips as soon as I can budget them in..

[@TheNitpicker]

I'm not looking for a balanced cable since I don't have an amp that would support it

[@malinyamato]

How does it compare to Hifiman Sundara?

[@Riseun]

What do you guys think and the HD 58x vs HD 600? I can get the HD 58x for $125 and the HD 600 for $175 both NEW. I've been thinking about upgrading new headphones for maybe a year and I still can't figure out. I like the neutral sound signature I think? I never tried anything besides that. I don't like the cable either tbh.

[@thorar.3031]

I'd say 600hd if you can drive them otherwise 58x, have both 58x and 6xx, the newer headphones will in this line just don't scale as well on better amp/dacs

[@Riseun]

@@thorar.3031 Thanks I think I just decided on the HD 600.

[@ElectroIite]

The HD600 is harder to drive so you might need proper AMP, the HD58X will have more bass (specially sub-bass which the HD600 lacks) so the HD58X will have the impact and the full sound effect, mids are similar but I hear people saying the timbre on the HD600 for stuff like female vocal and strings is slight better and the HD600 should be brighter. So: HD58X darker, fuller sound, more bass and impact, easier to drive | HD600: Brighter, slight better timbre in some aspects, colder with less impact, harder to drive

[@Riseun]

@@ElectroIite I have an amp that will be good enough for it to drive it. Now if only amazon can actually get the HD 600 to be lower than $300. lol

[@kieraiou680]

I agree with João's description of both headphones' sounds. Price aside, you may wanna consider what's your preferred sound signature when choosing between these two headphones. The is a very audible difference in their sound signature.

[@Wek-9]

Are these worth the $50 higher price than the PC37x/game one for gaming and music? (I already have a usb mic so lack of mic is not an issue)

[@drizzlydr4ke]

PC37x would be more comfortable and I believe it has mic too but the sound is slightly better on the 58x

[@yuxia5989]

To me the vocal on the hd 58x is much more forward than hd 660s. The bass amount is also noticeably more (but slower) on the hd 58x. And the highs on the hd 58x is rather recessed comparing to 660s.

[@asleeperj]

Take the foam out.

[@verdielg]

@@asleeperj like that this option exists tbh. Sounds like a stellar deal to me

[@kieraiou680]

In my opinion, the comparison should be done by listening to both model at the same time. From my own experience, memory is not a good gauge for comparison. I owned HD600, HD6XX, HD58X. 3 weeks ago, at my local headphone store, I listened to HD600, HD650, HD660s and my HD58X with 2 headphones plugged into my chord mojo (which have two output) at any one time. To my ears, the differences between HD660s and HD58X are not very big. Between the HD600, HD6XX and HD58X, i prefer the HD58X just because it has strongest bass among the them. I used to enjoy the intimate vocal and lush mid of HD600 but recently, i have a change in personal taste/preference.

[@TheNitpicker]

Sure but if I can't get the 660S what should I do, not review it at all?

[@kieraiou680]

Doing a review is better than not doing one. I’m always happy to see more views/opinions of the same product by different people. I understand that not everyone has ready access to headphone shops and that reviewed product are returned after the review is done. In my previous comment, I was just voicing my opinion on doing comparison between headphones.

[@eelabob]

@@TheNitpicker yes review but not a comparison review it's completely subjective without A/B listening from same source.

[@samueldsouza8797]

does this have a warranty and also very good “nitpicking” you made the problems very obvious

[@synchronicofficial612]

Just ordered, i hope my pair will be A1 and they will work perfectly for long time!

[@marekkouril7134]

150 $ is great price for US but unfortunately here in Czech Republic we need to pay additional 30 % tax. I want European Massdrop warehouse :).

[@milan425]

Dont we all :D

[@kaiwalsh6976]

Agreed

[@FernandoHCst]

At least its not brazil's 100%

[@semtexxl]

@@FernandoHCst Seriously 100%..?.Is this considered legal not as blackmailing? Same pathetic high customs practices here in EU. Sad indeed.

[@Speed_7545]

It still is only about 185€ max

[@MrZodiac011]

I ordered a HD58X yesterday, should arrive late next week, I have a BM800 mic hooked up to a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 which is what I hook my current Razer Kraken V2 up to, I do plan on getting a better mic eventually aswell, it's weird having a cheap budget condenser mic with a good quality Audio Interface. I mostly play games, listen to music and watch KZbin so these headphones should be amazing for $230, compared to my $120 or so headset, the Kraken V2 has good bass but at higher volume it sounds bad and the sound quality isn't anything amazing but it's good

[@jacobcharters6614]

How do these compare to the older original 580 jubilees?

[@TheNitpicker]

Never had the chance to try those

[@jacobcharters6614]

The Nitpicker okay I was just thinking on getting a pair to compare the sound in those to my hd 600s thanks for the reply though and great reviews bought the 600 watching your review on it!

[@wsp5519]

slightly differrent when listen to itunes compare with spotify with natural setting no eq no amp ans dac. itunes is more details but normally we didnt rly feel it has diferrent.

[@megazine]

I own the 6XX and 58X, both are great but I prefer the 58X overall. The sound is more full on the 58X, and with tighter bass that’s also more impactful. I give the comfort towards the 6XX; 58X feels slightly on the tight side. I agree that the soundstage isn’t that wide, but it does sound “airy”. Vocals sound intimate but not as intimate as the 6XX - still good.

[@TheNitpicker]

Yes I prefer the 58X as well for sure

[@MTheoOA]

Having no soundstage, this headphone sounds like a closedback or something like that? That word the netpicker used ''claustrophobic'' scares me to buy them... I wanted a very open feeling but with full sounding. This airy is what exactly? I want to buy the HD599 or the 58x... The most warmer, with more bass, wins.

[@rahulsangal5438]

@@MTheoOA You have to choose here: 58x is the warmest (decent warmth) with a small soundstage 599 has less bass and softer treble and a larger soundstage, also less detailed and generally less refined. he 4xx from massdrop is very neutral with a little less subbass and quite a bit of air and soundstage.Hifiman has some quality control issues though. My personal preference is the 58x because it actually has decent subbass for EDM.

[@MTheoOA]

@@rahulsangal5438 Hey! I was interested in 4xx, but some say that doesn't work without amp. I only have a notebook and i don't care too much about volume, i really listen in low because i fear to loose audition. But if the headphone loose a lot of quality, i'll with the 58x. I want a open headphone with a not claustrophobic impression. I already had a closedback and hated it so much, you know? So, i am with 58x or 4xx now. Probably 58x...

[@rahulsangal5438]

@@MTheoOA if you don't want amp then he4xx won't be good

[@megazine]

The ear pads are different from the 6XX

[@rahulsangal5438]

I agree, the ear pads are more natural sounding due to the updated DAC version.

[@Assimilator702]

megazine They ate the new 6 series pad. This is the pad that will be sold for all the models. As long as the 600,650,6XX,58X and 660S are being made they will ALL use the same pad. So it’s different...... and it’s the same.

[@Imra99928]

Any plans to review the hifiman he4xx? I see it frequently compared to the sennheiser but people say they keep going back to the 4xx

[@TheNitpicker]

unfortunately I have no access to it

[@megazine]

Yea, that happened to me. I was always claiming my 58X were better than my 4XX. Just 2 weeks ago, I’ve been preferring the sound of my 4XX. Since I upgraded my Amp/DAC with the Liquid Carbon X + SDAC, they really brought the 4XX alive. Now I feel the 58X come off slightly dark, still incredible for $150, and I will keep them for portable usage driven by the Dragonfly Red.

[@elmermonterderamos8389]

ur video is God like, what camera do u use?

[@TheNitpicker]

back then Panasonic G7 with 25mm 1.7 for me and Sony A6000 with 50mm 1.8 for the devices. Nowadays mosty the Fuji XT3 though

[@unholy1950]

My hd58x sound kinda muffled

[@TheNitpicker]

You need to take out the foam of the earcups, there's tons of guides about this 5 minute mod, makes a big difference

[@unholy1950]

@@TheNitpicker I’ll try it out

[@mingkee27]

58X driver is unique (150 ohms) and makes it more smartphone friendly

[@TheNitpicker]

For both phones that still have a 3.5mm jack, also no phone fan drive 150ohm for me

[@mingkee27]

Fortunately, MTK based phone and tablet can drive this can easily and have decent audio It works better on Motorola G Power 5G 2023, Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2 (with analog headphones adapter), Lenovo P11 Gen 2 than Snapdragon platform. I tested it along with PC38X and Philips X2HR (both are pretty easy to drive regardless of hardware)

[@ElectroIite]

I own both HD58X and SHP9500 and I love both but the HD58X is really good

[@ultraviolet7129]

Would you say its a great step up in sound quality? I'm considering getting the 58X but I afraid it will be a sidegrade instead of an upgrade

[@ElectroIite]

@@ultraviolet7129 That depends on your taste and what you listen to. If you had issues with the SHP9500's treble being too sharp and sibilant sometimes, if you want more sub-bass and slight more realistic mids with better timbre than the HD58X will be better. The HD58X is better but if you like the SHP9500 ''flaws'' like the sharp treble and lean bass it won't feel as an upgrade Just keep in mind that the Sennheiser is more refined in every way but it's not a crazy difference, hahah at first you'll probably be a little underwhelmed but after like 2 weeks you start noticing how the HD58X is just better. There are also the mods you can do to further change the sound as well. The sennehsiers is just a tad harder to drive as well most likely you won't need an amp

[@ultraviolet7129]

@@ElectroIite nice, yep the treble are too sharp for me. Thanks for the heads up. I think I have a better idea of how the 58x will sound compared to the shps.

[@towsifshahriarshovo]

@@ElectroIite I have philips Shp9500, I want to upgrade. Is that worth to pay extra money for 58x?? What's the main difference between them in sound quality?? Shp9500 is little bit bass lite and bright to me.

[@ElectroIite]

@@towsifshahriarshovo 58X will have more sub-bass and less treble, mids are going to be fuller and more realistic. 58X is better overall but it's not going to be a crazy upgrade from like a generic headphone to the 9500. Try using Oratory1990's EQ settings for the SHP9500 before upgrading. It really improves the sound, gives it much more sub-bass and controls the brightness. You just download Equalizer APO + Peace and copy the values from the .pdf into the EQ. It's possible that at first you'll be a little underwhelmed but after like 1/2 weeks only using the 58X if you go back to the 9500 you'll notice how the 58X is better.

[@iliketoreadiliketothink1763]

Wow, what an amazing deal. I might have to get these

[@TonyTheTerrible]

you should do DT 770 review

[@turbomustang84]

Take them apart and check the part numbers they are the same as the rest of the 6 series and yes I have all of them . Overlook the shitty paint job it would not pay Sennheiser to machine new molds for a line that most likely be discontinued sooner than later . They are very close to the HD-660s in sound signature and my headphone number is in the 400s so I got them in the first batch . The parts are the same so if you say it's worse build quality they can not be made from the same parts bin as these are . I had the 660s and the 58X side by side and once I removed the foam it was too close to call

[@TheNitpicker]

someone else took them apart and it wasn't the same driver, not the exact same one at least

[@MusicJXS]

would the hd600/650 pads work on 58x?

[@TheNitpicker]

Yes

[@703elee]

Tbf....its not like drop labeled these the 66x. Really isn't the comparison to the 660s kind of a consumer driven thing? *shrug* I got the 58x and took the pads out and am very happy. I've had the 600s forever and the "sound signature" of the 660s was compelling but not $600 compelling. Getting the 58x at $150 was a steal even if it's 85% of the 660s (which it seems like a lot of online reviewers are saying its closer to 90). Win in my book

[@thomasward00]

Are these made in Ireland?

[@Sagdiyevas]

Yes

[@jamesuyterlinde3634]

The current batch are made in Romania. I just got mine in today. "Made in Romania" stated on the box, nothing on the inside frame of the headband where normally "Made in Ireland" would be written.

[@verdielg]

@@jamesuyterlinde3634 hi James...how does the Romanian batch sounding? Would you say same as the common reviews or better/worse?

[@jamesuyterlinde3634]

@@verdielg seems to be on par with what the reviews state. I can't judge them head to head as I haven't tried the Ireland batch. Either way, I think it's still a good deal.

[@Sony-nh1cf]

This one or sony wx-1000 m3?

[@TheNitpicker]

2 completely different headphones

[@trojen2429]

Yeah, the Sony xm3 is ONLY used for noise cancellation and it's also wireless and Bluetooth. The HD Senisers are built for audio quality only and is NOT noise cancelling at all. That's why I'm buying both for a total of only 450$.

[@joseluisruiz3789]

Hmmmm.... I listen to alot of Alternative Rock, and Bass Heavy HIPHOP music and so I might pick up these Sennheiser HD58x jubilee cans and pair it with my Shure SHA900. I already love their IE80s.

[@hafu1874]

This or dt 990 pro

[@TheNitpicker]

Never heard the 990 but knowing Beyerdynamic I'd go Sennheiser

[@hamody7907]

This or the sennheiser hd 579?

[@TheNitpicker]

This one for sure

[@shahkhan110]

Saying 58x sounds nearly like 2C is a big praise....

[@elijahh-]

lmao why are you hating on them, they are 3x cheaper then the 660s and give you better performance for its price. Some people even argue that it sounds better, with the more bass. The comfort u said was bad, however is pretty much identical to the 660s, so i gues the 660s has bad comfort??

[@TheNitpicker]

hating? I've fully recommended them, are you like mental or what?

[@Mask242]

Thanks....

[@iPain3G]

Der 58x und der 660er werden beide in der selben Fabrik gefertigt und verwenden beide die selben Materialien. Ich denke was den 58x billiger wirken lässt ist einzig und allein die Hochglanzoptik. Ich werde meinen 58x nächsten Monat vom Zoll abholen dürfen weil ich jetzt erst beim Drop mitmachen konnte. Wenn ich ihn dann da habe kann ich mir selbst noch mal ein Urteil bilden. Klangtechnisch ist, zumindest diversen Messkurven nach, der 58x mit Mod sehr sehr nah am 660er. Ich denke das man die Unterschiede durchaus hören kann wenn man sein Gehör ordentlich geschult hat. Die große Masse wird aber keinen Unterschied zwischen beiden hören. Dafür sind die zu nah bei einander.

[@czerro1]

Why doesn't massdrop ever do closed-backed headphones?

[@TheNitpicker]

they never did? I think I’ve seen them having some once in the past, not sure though atm

[@czerro1]

@@TheNitpicker Not good deals at $200 dollar mark. Mostly cheapo headphones that don't really need an amp/dac, or the over-priced Fostex's. Those are the only drops I ever see for closed-backs. The Fostex's aren't even closed backs, but they are close. So literally sub 100 dollar headphones, or a hybrid back from Fostex at over 400 dollars. Those are the drops for closed backs. Just kinda weird, as I think people would be equally as interested in close and open back headphones, but only opens gets drops and special designs for Massdrop.

[@TheNitpicker]

yeah ok , the thing is that most people these days seem to prefer open over closed, seems there’s a bigger market and mass drop obviously goes for what they can sell best

[@Peter-ii4xq]

Great phone, sounding very good on my laptop. Wil (pro musician)

[@Speed_7545]

You do know the build is the same as in the hd660?

[@HenryFanboy]

Mystic_ 112 HD660 uses HD800 grade plastic, better than the shiny plastic used in 58x. 58x bottom matte rubber part on the cups also have a tendency to break.

[@Speed_7545]

@@HenryFanboy No, buddy it's painted gloss black.. it's the same plastic but just painted. Where did you get your info of the bottom part breaking?

[@fatdoi003]

$150 Senn vs $150 Hifiman is extreme on both ends..... also taking both foams out do make a great difference in terms of clarity, veil, air....

[@samueldsouza8797]

you just need to remove foam

[@TheNitpicker]

I know since I said that

[@umosay]

Arnie's headphone reviews

[@Tripokaridos22]

Just arrive , OMG these are the WORST BUILD quality headphones I have ever seen ,Senns HD599 looks like Lamborghini compared to that . I am not even saying about Bose,Focal that the build quality are from heaven.

[@imconspire6109]

lol you just cant compare headphones on memory

[@semtexxl4023]

Metal571 did a great review without this hype of “almost HD660s”. Drivers are completelly different, different soundstage, imaging is way better on 660s, clarity etc. especially on better equipment.. I love zeos but sometimes he makes way too theatrical videos with very little actual value. Finally, someone more relaxed and to the point. And before you accuse me of having HD660s :) Yes, I have them & love/adore them for a long time till it was released but he also HIGHLY recommended the Focal Elex. Why I am asking this simple question?....because I've already bought them xD and waiting for them eagerly. I really hope he was not so overhyped here. Sure I checked some other reviews praising them before buying.....DMS, Joshua Valour. I'm still interested if metal571 will praise them the same way.....someone need to send him one.....sorry for the OT. Enjoy your new Senns because at the end of the day this more recognition and fans gained in matter of seconds for them. I must admit I'm totally biased towards Senns smooth sound signature.

[@TheNitpicker]

yeah I don't think the 58X is quite on the same level as the 660s but I obviously already said that in the review. I was thinking of buying the Elex as well even though I don't need them but watching Josh's and DMS's review they sound like they won't fit my preference really, the over the top dynamics and huge soundstage are things I actually don't like to have that dominant. Zs review once again seems to be of no help, according to that it's perfect for everyone but as Josh said, many songs might actually be quite odd on these, Z didn't mention any things some people might not enjoy just because there was nothing he didn't enjoy, Josh pointed out the good and possibly bad, that's why he's the real audio review champ at the moment, the way he explains things is one of a kind atm, DMS is great too but doesn't quite take everything into occasion that well. I can't compete with these guys at all, never will be

[@semtexxl4023]

@@TheNitpicker Hey thanks for the swift comment and reply. I see where you go after your comparison of HD600 and HD650 (btw my favourite) as you preffered HD600. My filosophy is to get something “neutral” but not totally boring and always a bit different every time in some aspect. I already have HD650 - smooth, clear as bell then HD660S amazing imaging, even more details, better bass, both scales fantasticly. I would even say HD650 almost epically well. But I also heard you loved lcd2 so Flex could be your cup of tea. ;) I just don't want to end up with too many way too similar sounding headphones. I see it this way: HD650 - smooth, lush, clear, natural. HD660S way faster drivers, more resolving, way better imaging (I was switching back and forth between them when comparing). Now Flex: hyper dynamic, can be compared even with utopia?! give them to me! I guess I will be impressed very much by the detail retrieval. Or maybe I want to be impressed. Your brain is often toying with you when comparing audio producs. btw You are right up with DMS, Josh, Zeos (still entertaining as hell), metal571 with your quality reviews. At least for me. Don't be such a humble man and keep up the good work!

[@vm6038]

What does too much dynamics even mean? I say it's BS. I have the Elex as well. It sounds just fine in terms of dynamics. It doesn't compress dynamics, but doesn't artificially expand them either. I doubt it's even possible to expand dynamics without some kind of DSP processing or something like that. The dynamics are great if the recording has great dynamics and of the amount that is present on the recording - no more, no less.

[@ericdewayne4990]

@@semtexxl4023 how are they?

[@semtexxl4023]

@@ericdewayne4990 I have them maybe for a month but love them so much. The dynamics is fantastic. It is an absolute pleasure listening them. However, it seems I ran into the defective pair with clipping/rattling problem on the right driver so I need to get a new replacement pair. (If you want them test them carefully with some heavy subbass tracks) Altough the sound was so natural, clear and detailed I NEED them as soon as possible. Shame I bought them from Europe with a help of US fellow audio forum member. But I believe it is totally worth the trouble. Especially the interesting circular imaging approach with zero dead zones. They can sound intimate or distant depending on track! I use them in balanced mode with Jotunheim amp and Yggdrasil DAC. Hope this help. some test tracks + ultimate headphone test site - I tried the “Quality” section for bass testing that caused the ratlng I was talking about. www.audiocheck.net/soundtests_headphones.php DJ Shadow - Three Ralphs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJCmk5mjopJlpac DNA - Kendrick Lamar: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4mZpnV-hayZidU ...the king and ultimate bass/sub-bass test torturing track: Fifth Of Whiskey - Verse And Bishop (Banshee Soundtrack): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnWUfZmkos5jo7M

[@kirjuschaks]

I guess the 58X was Sennheisers last resort making at least some decent prophet with the 660S, which was quite a fail after the 650 legend. They simply changed the driver housing/damping to cheaper materials to making it not too obvious... voila hd58x... Divided fail is half a fail for massdrop & sennheiser...

[@battlegroundbaseball6872]

This guy is mad he paid more for 600 same thing.

[@TheNitpicker]

?

[@nsotelo]

Zeos fanboy detected. He's the only review who said they are the same. Even sennheiser said they entirely different drivers. Maybe you're mad you don't have real 660s? You will never know :)

[@TheNitpicker]

I'm mad because? I own the 58X, not the 660s... Jokes on you

[@cr0ft-2k]

The thing of it is, when you say "how you remember the 660" this review becomes completely irrelevant. Humans are, first of all, incapable of being objective. You want the 660 to be better, therefore you think they are better, and are convinced now that you remember they are better. Humans can't even remember the difference when swapping back and forth in seconds, really, but if you heard the 660 some day long ago, your impressions are really meaningless. I did just order the HD58X so I want them to be great, obviously, but I still have major issues with "I seem to remember that the 660..." your biases will be a vastly more powerful force than your actual memory. If you were to do an A/B on the spot and listen back and forth your review might mean more, but all I get out of this is that the HD58X are very good. They may or may not be as good as the HD 660 S. But based on this review I don't know more or less about that than before.

[@TheNitpicker]

Makes no sense but fine, wanna know what makes your comment irrelevant, the fact you say I want it to be better, why exactly would I want that? I don't care which one is better but even if, wouldn't it according to your statement make more sense I'd want the 58X to be better? So all you do is contradict yourself and blame me while you're the ones who's wrong

[@solsthiem3329]

You are talking jibrish

[@TheNitpicker]

You spelled gibberish wrong