Imperial Tanks In 40k VS The Astraeus

Macca takes the time to compare a long line of GW's Astartes and Guard tanks to the new Forge World super heavy in an attempt to figure out what many feel that the tank is 'off'.

[@Infinityxero]

To me the vehicle isn't really all that threatening, it's size is intimidating and it's hard to kill with those void shields but it's not really an overwhelming force like a Fellblade or Baneblade variant.

[@maxbrandt6]

If anyone is wondering about the name of this mega grav-tank, this is the origin: in Greek mythology, Astraeus /əˈstriːəs/ was an astrological deity and the Titan-god of the dusk. Some also associate him with the winds, as he is the father of the four Anemoi/wind deities. Nice rundown on the past tank designs in 40k, it'd be really cool to see that underarm deodorant style grav-tank from 1st edition days as an Easter Egg in the next 40k video game, best used as a piece of derelict war junk in the background.

[@sofakingcool1555]

Loving the smooth jazz in the background! Feels like I’m playing sim city again.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Reticulating splines.

[@XenosFiles]

Theyre right it looks just like Halo Scorpion

[@benn1181]

The Virgin Astraeus VS the Chad Land Raider

[@dickthunder5089]

upvoted for epic win! XD

[@gypsylovertime]

he means hexagonal i think, not octagonal

[@leakycheese]

I like how you showed the progression of Imperial vehicles leading up to the Astraeus at the end.... my brain did have a sort of subconscious aesthetic lurch at that point, cleverly done. I do think the Custodian vehicles have a place in this story, especially the Coronus and it is those vehicles that are the real design origins for the grav-plates on both this and the Repulsor. There is something that is bugging me a bit now about the Astraeus, the fact that we haven't been given any photos of the rear of the vehicle. I have a small worry it could look like a Republic Class Star Destroyer from that angle which would not be cool in my book. Thanks for the cool video and can't wait for your new series on GW sex toys.

[@TheOuterCircle]

I think there's a logical progression. Every vehicle followed a set design pattern until we reached the Mastodon, which is an exception due to sheer size, but the Astraeus is bizarre as it looks to be about the size of a Fellblade, but it has some really divergent design principles. I think if it maintained just one or two of the older design styling's it probably would have worked far better for the average player.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Also, worth pointing out that Custodes vehicles have more in common with the Javelin speeder and the Rogue Trader era deodorant tank. They are quite sleek, with big engines and the grav elements are not so bug and gaudy.

[@leakycheese]

The Outer Circle True, they took the grav-gear and made it really visually dominant. They wrote fluff to match, making the technology of the Repulsor sound inefficient and cumbersome compared to the much more sophisticated systems fitted to the land speeder and Custodian vehicles.

[@wheelmanmatt]

leakycheese LC, in the releaae video dont they do a 360 walk around it? I thought we were shown a quick view of its rear.

[@leakycheese]

WheelmanMatt No mate, it's all front and side tease I'm afraid. Less than three weeks to go now!

[@Underworlddream]

It look like they attached anti-gravity plate to a Thunderhawk.

[@TheOuterCircle]

I thought about that comparison, but then it doesn't look like that either. The tiny cockpit, located far back, the pontoons coming out forward of the hull, the large turret, I dunno.

[@Panzergraf]

Hah, I remember that Deodorant-tank from the White Dwarf with the 3rd ed Vehicle Design Rules in it!

[@pierat3338]

This video has now made me really want to see a land-raider conversion to have the tracks put on backwards

[@endlesswaffles6504]

The paint scheme is really strange in that image.

[@andrewmcnally5013]

It looks more like a Tau tank than an Imperium tank.

[@odinlindeberg4624]

I dunno, maybe if all the grav plating got plucked away and the edges got filed off.

[@kazoo689]

please allow me to take a nostalgia trip. btw, i started in eighth. at my local hobby store, i saw a few battles of warhammer 40k. not watching them intently, just mildly interested. the first game i saw was orks v tac marines. and it was beautiful. thats what i thought of 40k, little tiny blue guys vs little green aliens or red guys. but thats gone. its been replaced by giant insanely expensive heroes of the imperium vs bright green zombies. times are gone. the main thing i remember though, from the models that i saw, was a landspeeder, maybe the size of a computer mouse. and it was so great. simple, cheap, customizeable, very good overall. but with primaris, its gone. this must be weird coming from someone who started in eighth going on a nostalgia trip about what he never witnessed. sigh.

[@jmicjr304]

That orks vs blue tac marines brought me back to assault on black reach when I started 5th ed was it? I 100% agree the models are oversized and make them look more toy like imo especially as an army.

[@tomh373]

You say that these vehicles don't have an "Imperial Theme" but when you think about it the imperium doesn't design it's vehicles they are templates found in STC cores that they manufacture, the only exception to this being the primaris grav tank. Some vehicles have a very Aliens colonial theme and others are much more grim as they all come from different eras of mankind history which is what i find so fascinating about the imperium.

[@soopersooper3291]

That mk1 Land Raider looks goofier 'n hell.

[@TheOuterCircle]

I was watching a game as a kid at GW, and the dude set up THREE opposite his opponent (btw, three was a lot for late 2nd ed). Someone bumped the table, and as all three were deployed on a hill, they started rolling down like the boulder in Indiana Jones and rolled through his army hahaha

[@soopersooper3291]

I guess that's what he gets for being TFG lol

[@kakurof]

I love the fact that they mounted a non co-axial stubber on the turret. V E R Y efficient.

[@wilfridarmstrong1897]

I really like it when GW/fw inject new designs instead of the endless iterations of the same hulls. What excites me so much as a heresy player is to get to play at a time of innovation in the lore. The inclusion of Cawl as a tool to inject evolution into imperial armies is much needed. Now that fw's release schedule for heresy has ground to a halt especially when it comes to exploring the tech that doesn't carry into 40k (volkite/grav/rad/etc ) i find myself envious of 40k marine players with all their new fancy tech and the possibility of invention rather than iteration.

[@socialanimalmedia]

The Astraeus would be a good Interex vehicle. Maybe something that represented the holding of STC imprints that the Imperium never found thanks to the way they dealt with those guys. When I first saw the Astraeus I hated it but I actually kinda like it now. However, I can't say the same for the full design of the Repulsor. But that can be easily solved by just removing that unnecessary "minigun turret or a turret". Either by putting it somewhere more reasonable or just not using it.

[@ProjectRevoltNow]

It looks like someone tried to fix the front of their broken space ship with land raider pieces. It's kinda cool looking but I agree the mash up of design choices makes it feel like it doesn't know what it's supposed to be.

[@CarlosSempereChen]

It vaguely reminds me of the Epic-scale Ordinatus Majoris models. I'd be more willing to accept this design if there were a more obvious justification for its length, like if it were a ground-based Thunderhawk sort of large transport. (Which reminds me, is the nose Stormraven-like?). I can't get past the strangeness of the shape if the point is simply to carry that turret around. And I still hate the idea of giving space marines - more advanced space marines! - stubbers.

[@Franangrsheim]

The Atreus turret with a Baneblade body would look like a mammoth tank from the CnC series.

[@Dimes607]

I think the Astraeus fits Horus Heresy Era tanks. To me, it feels like something that the Custodies should be using. I don't hate it, but I don't think it's Astartes. Null Maiden or Custodies sure, but not Astartes for 40k.

[@jackboland8787]

in no way does this fit 30k

[@TheOuterCircle]

It's way too block-shaped to fit into that faction's design aesthetic.

[@watcherzero5256]

You seen the Sisters of Silence flyer? That's some freaky shit!

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

How so?

[@shktech6026]

>only at the beginning of the video Maybe they're pushing the admech influence a bit more on the primaris to represent the current fluff around them?

[@ultramarinus2478]

Primaris tank. Those are not rockets around the turret, those are one-shot granadelaunchers. Used today in bulks on the armoured vehicles to disperse the fog, kill the laser and visual targeting and help evade enemy fire. Also possible to load AP granades into these probably. Differences between primaris vehicles and other imperial vehicles may be explained simply by its origin. Wich was quite aside (or paralel at least) imperial tech.

[@C_f_Bundy]

every time i look at the the Astraeus feel like the designer said " fuck it i want the Shagohod in 40k" and this makes me want to make a Metal Gear theme space marine chapter.

[@mrdelaney4440]

The 3rd edition design of the land raider as its known today first appeared in epic 40k a while before a 40k was released if i remember right

[@endlesswaffles6504]

In the US it is $355, but they have a deal where you can get 3 together for $1,070. The cost of 3 separately is $1,065. THE BUNDLE COSTS $5 MORE?!

[@AnnoyanceHazard]

I know its a old comment, but about november last year i was browsing GW shop and noticed that a 12 pack of termagants costs 25 eur. A 5 pack costs 8. Buying 3 small packs gets you three more termagants for 1 eur less. Now by the time of writing this comment they have removed the small pack. It's funny to think about how long did that little discrepency was hanging around the store though.

[@endlesswaffles6504]

@@AnnoyanceHazard yeah, that's pretty strange. I really don't understand their pricing system.

[@RobAndTheChaps]

A bit of converting or simply changing the guns this would have been a fantastic Earth Caste tank for Tau. It’s that style of futurism

[@Longshanks4268]

i would just like to say the point of a coax machinegun is not to range the main weapon on modern amour its to engage close-range infantry and soft targets like trucks or cars because of things like laser rangefinders the need for a ranging machine gun wasnt needed so the elevation of the coax is fine as it would only be shooting close targets

[@TheOuterCircle]

I can't speak for all armies, but I know our one still teaches people how to use the Coax to aim the weapon in if there is a fault with the rangefinders. Last resort? Sure, but as it's mounted directly to the main mounting it won't end well if it can't travel as far!

[@Longshanks4268]

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I'm not trying to be I am a tankie in the British army and it's not a taught method we have two lasers in case one breaks a Gunners and a Commanders and have an auxiliary sight in case main one brakes coax ranging method was gotten rid off with chieftain as it was no longer needed as the max range on a coax is no way close to the main armament as in 1.5k on coax compared to 3k for fin and 5k for hesh and smoke

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

+The Outer Circle I'm sorry, but you're talking so far out of your league it's hilarious. You may have had a case back when WWII and the Korean war were still happening, but modern cannons have a completely different firing arc than their coax, as has been said here the coax is mainly for engaging things you don't want to waste main cannon ammo on, like unarmored trucks and infantry. Furthermore, if your coax is fixed at the same level as the gun as is the case with most modern tanks simply for ease of production and less complexity, in order to range with the coax you'd have to first range with the coax, then adjust the gun and fire with the main gun. Why do that when you have a laser sight or gunner sight that doesn't need the coax?

[@maukka1545]

Macharius is basically a common WW2 hull design, like the Tiger 1 or KV-1. Fellblade reminds me of the cold war era soviet tanks like T-55.

[@Regelos]

seems like most people are forgetting this was designed and built over 10k years. A large departure like this would be expected.

[@vizerandevir6422]

Repulsor seems a bit taller then the M113 - more like an M3 bradley, especially with the full turret that houses a "low caliber" weapon, headlight housings and all the fancy high-tech parascopes.

[@silenttitan7636]

I admit it does look more futuristc but considering that much technology was lost through the Millennia including a lot of it from the Dark Age of Technology it would only make sense that they would eventually find something that looks futuristic but may still be within their ability to replicate if you ask me the design looks more feasible then the actual Repulsor tank because with the ra pulsar the center of balance is directly on top but with the super heavy tank it's in the middle with the ballasts on the sides or pontoons for stabilization of a hovering craft making it harder to turn over and how do they steer the tank if it is hovering I mean it has thrusters on the back but then how do they stop it? Or turn it quickly?

[@Bigjonmetal]

I think this thing looks pretty cool

[@Andernol]

This tank is now almost $400 in the US, which as of this comment is just under 320 Pounds. I could have considered (If barely) it when it was around $250 but now it's so obscenely expensive I would just buy a 3d printer and print it along with a mastodon and a gunship. Jfc it's so much money... I've always understood the arguments against the design of the Astraeus even if I didn't agree with them, it might not feel like a classic 40k tank but it does feel very primaris to me. I do actually like the look and while I'd absolutely rather have a blade/sword variant for a 30k army or first-born army, I don't think the Astraeus is that bad looking. Literally my only gripe with the Astraeus is a gripe I have with most 40k tanks, which is the multiple cannons does not make sense from a logistics or firepower standpoint. But if we were applying that logic to 40k, none of us would be having very much fun would we? That all being said, while I've been into the lore for a long time I only got into the game at the end of 8th/start of 9th edition and I bought the Indomitus box as my first dive into the game so Primaris was my first exposure to the game itself. Edit: Price correction because I was using the wrong currency, but the point still stands

[@watcherzero5256]

What It really reminds me of is take the Pegasus class from Gundam, remove the wings and add gun barrels to the bridge and its identical! www.geocities.ws/gundam_uc0080/greyphantom.jpg

[@forthetsar9505]

You defiantly do your research, am happy to say. When I look at the Astraeus it seams as though they should have made two tanks instead of one . Thanks for sharing ~ Will

[@watcherzero5256]

Yeah the T28 and T35 were multi-turreted but to address the lineage you have to look at what the Russians licensed the design from, the Vickers A1E1. If you have a twin sponson Baneblade having 4 lascannon turrtets should look really familiar though the lascannon turrets do copy the ones from the T28 except move the access hatch from the top to the rear.

[@Grubnar]

The old Rhino had "grab rails" on the sides. And I think the newest Land Speeder has them too. Other than that, spot on!

[@TheOuterCircle]

Grubnar when I watched the video back after I noticed that! But that was also clearly an area where people SHOULD be expected to walk into the vehicle, with a step and Mesh grating, not the grav components of a main battle tank!

[@Grubnar]

True. And that raises the question; WHAT IS THE POINT?

[@IVIaskerade]

To me it looks like a thunderhawk someone stepped on and squished it down and out.

[@rmod42]

Really closer to the FV432 rather than the M113. The current Predator Destructor essentially IS a model of the old FV432 Rarden variant (with added sponsons if that tickles your fancy) and after all the "real" rhino is an FV432 wearing a dress. Also the Hydra (and this, it seems) takes its design cues rather more from the cold war era Gepard AAA system (or its cousins from the far east like the Japanese Guntank) rather than world war II ear flak platforms. And Co-Axial guns are used for ranging (though that is by no means common.) Pintle guns are usually intended for short range air defence and fending off enterprising infantry. Though the fixed one in the bow of the turret of this one isn't much use for anything as you rightly point out. "makes no sense from a design point" - well you could say that about just about any 40K tank Finally, isn't the whole point of the recent changes that the Imperium is moving, changing, evolving? Would that not suggest that design philosophies are changing along with it?

[@Autechltd]

Looks like Crawl went mad kitbashing.

[@peacekorpofkrieg5755]

The Astraeus looks like something humans who joined the Tau would use. Imperial design with Tau technology.

[@colossalsquib4450]

Actually the leman russ started in epic scale and they had building instructions in white dwarf

[@rainbowsixODST]

This would be better as a future APC rather than a tank. A replacement for the Chimera after the rebirth of the Primarch of the Blue Berries.

[@emperorschampion8293]

I love how in depth you go into with the visual details yet cannot count the sides of geometric shapes lol. An octagonal land raider would be super strange to see.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Actually the word I was after was lozenge-shaped, that said, they are octagonal, at least at the point where the tracks rotate to the next facing.

[@roaringlaughter3812]

if i ever get the money to buy this i would leave the hand rails out. it makes no sense to make it easy for your enemy to climb on your tank. personally i like the look of this tank it has this futuristic look meshed with old style looking tanks and i like that with a few alterations it would look totally like an imperial tank put some anti xenos slurs on it or something paint it in the collors of the astartes or imperial army its from.

[@ultramarinus2478]

I also belive, the atreus was inspired by thunderhawk gunship front 3/4 part. There is another point why to "swallow" this tank. If you (we, probably) took the huricane of 8th eddition fluff big fuckoff, than oddly shaped turret on a tank (wich existence alone is actually a technoheresy), should be like a light eastern breeze to us.

[@theginger7148]

Sorry to nitpick on a good video, but you seem to be confusing turrets with weapon stations. Turrets contain at least one crew member to operate the weapon mounted on it, and weapons stations are controlled from elsewhere on the vehicle

[@SunsOfDorn]

I don't have anything to disagree with here other than the design influences of the vehicles - I'd say the FV432 is far closer than the M113, even just in visuals and discounting the origin country of Warhammer

[@ironbomb6753]

I believe the deoderant bottle tank was made by Rick Priestley. 👍

[@wyattarthur5275]

The back was good but its just not consistent, I just hate how the front and back are not even level with each other the back hangs up higher awkwardly

[@TheOuterCircle]

The lack of symmetry probably hurts it the most, it feels like two different vehicles merged into one, like when you see people who home-brew tanks for 40k and they have Land Raider backs and rhino fronts.

[@MrSASIronclad]

It is a shame the lore of 40k has always said that when fallen in battle fighting vehicles and even personal armour are fought over, recovered and lovingly restored by the tech marines of the chapter. Some of the war machines have been fighting since the great crusade. And GW seems to want to eradicate the lore. I still have a fleet of Mk1/Rogue trader Rhino chassis, whirlwinds, Predator annihilators, even the original las/plas razorbacks. Beautiful models from nearly 30 years ago that I still use today. I do have some Primaris models, but I use them as more of a bolster than a replacement. I have an impulsor I like it don't get me wrong its heavily armoured for a Razorback style troop carrier and the shield is nice. The repulsor however I'm not a fan. It feels like they just wanted to replace the land raider and the only way they could get people to sniff at it was to add more dakka and in an ork way. As for the Astraeus I like it but it doesn't have the big guns a super heavy should have, like a cannon the size of a land raider that shoots rhinos. its just a bullet sponge to take the pressure off the rest of the army

[@RookRiot1]

It looks like a kitbash with a premium pricetag.

[@Jaghatai_Kahn]

Looks like somthing the a imperial tau sympathizer would make.

[@jrheiselt]

I am surprised the taurox tanks were not covered.

[@TheOuterCircle]

I covered them on the Mastodon video, so I didn't feel a need to cover them again. In any case, they are divergent and unique too, but also nothing like the Astraeus, so yeah.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

I kinda see this fitting in with the Tau if you smoothed it off slightly and painted it ochre. I don't hate it either but you're spot on when you say it just doesn't look like a SM tank.

[@frogulon8271]

Someone should do that as a conversion

[@lukaDeadEye111]

i have one beef with the new primaris land raider. the turret. no other type of land raider to my knolage has an actual turret. they have hull or sponson mounted wepons, and maybie a pintle mounted extra wepon manned on a cupola by a marine. none of them have turrets. even the thunderfire cannon on one land raider variant has that mounted on the hull

[@Kepora1]

Sorry Macca, but I just don't see what your gripes are. It looks perfectly fine as a 40k vehicle.

[@imperious2427]

The astrus is an evolution for the secrarun venator

[@NotSkilledHere]

I think it does definitely look space marine as a tank. But if you analyze details it doesn't seem to fit perfectly

[@keithtam8859]

well, this is the new 40 k era, may be that what 50k gonna look like...

[@alexs_toy_barn]

18:59 you might not have noticed it...... .....but your brain did

[@colinpenfold9890]

Astraeus would have worked better as flyer just add a set wings wings

[@silenttitan7636]

Technically it is considered a flyer even though it only hovers how it can be both I'm not exactly sure but that's what the rulebook States

[@NPC-kv6ee]

It’s too short, if it was thiccer with wider sponson gun mounts and some more guns it’d be fine but it’s just too flat

[@fragfmgill]

looks like something from Command and Conquer

[@gregorr.6953]

I like it because it doesn´t look like a 40k tank. It´s perfect for stargrunt. without to many crosses and shit to dremel away...

[@TearDownGenesis]

I think its just too much of a sudden change. They needed to gradually add these to vehicles over time.

[@paulmorar9366]

The thing that I hate the most about Imperial tanks is that so many of them have exposed tracks and it bugs me so much. I just wish there was a way to cover all of them up.

[@bobbobbing4381]

Rhino had a grab rail.

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

The Astreaus is a super heavy dodgem!

[@RocketHarry865]

I find this fan made project of a modernized Imperial guard tank to be better designed and more logical than any of the primaris vechiles of games workshop www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344615-project-durandal-a-new-generation-of-battle-tank/page-2

[@markrtoffeeman]

Blame Belisarius Cawl. The innovator.

[@docvaliant721]

Ive driven the M113.

[@reapper6660]

lovely looking forward to butt plug review, also I agree with you its a really nice tank but it doesnt fit in with the other vehicles first time I saw it I was like thats the scorpion out of Halo

[@TheOuterCircle]

Already know how I'm gonna film it. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be yewege.

[@Dan-lt3nk]

It looks like a scratch build from other tanks in the range. The cynic in me says this was designed from existing assets in cad in a working day.

[@Merlin-gu9nz]

to be honest i think it looks more like the tank from thundercats

[@Erikjust]

The question about that miniature holder is really, why would i spend cash on it (apparently it will cost around 5£ or something like that), when i with even half that amount, can use and old pill bottle, a block of wood or some of citadels old paints with flad lids and some blue tack can get the exact same result? It keeps your hands off the miniature, it allow you to rotate it to get to those hard to reach spots etc etc etc. All for the easy price of what 2 maybe 3£ at best. Also if the top or some other part of this device breaks, do i need to spend another 5£ plus shipment for a new one or can the individual pieces be bought separately?. Something tells me it can´t. Sure some times the blue tack can stick to the miniature, but if you change the blue tack with regular intervals that´s not much of a problem. So no i just can´t see the point of it, not when the alternative is just as effective and much much cheaper.

[@TheOuterCircle]

I'm going to get one and review it, should be fun.

[@Erikjust]

Well thing is there are ALOT of other similar products out there for GW to compete with. So the question really is how does this one stack up against the other miniature holders out there?

[@catnium]

it looks like a tau tank imo

[@mikealpha2611]

Sorry no way the imperium could change design philosophy in 10,000 years

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

I would actually say there are 0 tanks in the 40k universe based off the M113. Those are APCs or IFVs, not tanks. Furthermore, of course it doesn't look like any of the tracked vehicles, it's a fucking anti-grav vehicle. You should be thinking more along the lines of the Space Marine speeders for comparisons.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Think of the M113 with the turret and short 75mm they made. As for the grav tank, it doesn't look like the speeders or any of the fliers either.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

It isn't just an enlarged speeder the way the Tau battlesuits are just larger versions of each other, but the design elements are there. Angled front, grav units on the side. Bolter on the front and any heavy weaponry in the back.

[@girllover12940]

So basically no innovation, never innovate. Every tank should look the same to start... Fucking boring man. Innovation is important

[@TheOuterCircle]

If it's antithetical to the entire universe it's in, it's a bit dumb. But that's not the point, it's that there's a common design ethos and factions need internal consistency. It's a bigger problem than just 'new unit' which isn't a complaint.

[@wraithdino1217]

TAU INFILTRATION!!!

[@paulgibbons2320]

Another day, another marine tank churns out. This one flys so negates the unique edge the Eldar had over Marine tech. If I were Eldar I would not be happy with that. I have a 30k marine on a speeder bike so I know this tech is not new to marines. But let's talk reality for a minute. When jet planes came out. Propeller air craft were obsolete. If marines have this tech they would stop making tracks. They would be obsolete. As much as I like the model. It's pretty cool. Does it not reigate the Thunderhawk and even landspeeders. You can now play marines the same as Eldar Guardians. Another reason to pick marines over Eldar. Need to stop churning out tank kits. It's getting old.

[@Drew_Thompson]

keep talking. soon there will be space marine dreadtitans called Apostle Titans that look like armored cores.

[@margaretwood152]

This "Tank" is an unsightly, ungainly, overwrought monstrosity.......and it has no place in the 30K ~or~ 40K setting....... _Period._

[@crusher8017]

Macca, why do you need to put people down when they don't agree with you ? Are you able to actually see the future of warfare in M31 - M40 and trying to apply 20 - 21 century TTTP to a make believe future ?. Although you have been an armourer this does not make you an expert on the use of the weapons which you serviced. That is, when was the last time a co-ax wpn was used for ranging on a MBT ? I bet it was before the Gulf War (the real one in 1991). That would give away the MBT's position would it not ? The co-ax is for close defence for when the MBT is being attacked by infantry. And before you start "shit cunting" me, I did serve and wore the coloured beret as you did. So please stop trying to be superior to those who have no military background and are just trying to put their point across. I am looking forward to tomorrows podcast.

[@Leman.Russ.6thLegion]

SPEAK LOUDER!!!!!!!!

[@TheOuterCircle]

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!