THE PREHISTORY SHOW #1| News | Cornish Bird | A Cursus Hunt | Duncan Garrow | Norfolk Stone Circle

[@HistoryTime]

Great format. Thoroughly enjoying

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hey there! Peter isn't it? Thanks for that - most encouraging. Congrats on your channel too - we've got some catching up to do! Maybe we should talk sometime. All best from Michael

[@dianespears6057]

Very enjoyable. Having the archeologists on to just chat about their work is brilliant and makes their work more accessible to those with an amateur interest. Love the snippets about research and other things.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@Libbathegreat]

Been snowed under this week and have been saving this as a treat for myself. And what a treat it was :) Very much looking forward to the next one. Your channel has been such a blessed discovery for me. Thank you guys so much for all you do!

[@itm72]

I loved this. Excellent show. Oh and definitely a great idea bringing the charming Miss Dale on board, her blog is always a good read.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@robyn_roamz]

How refreshing not to have to put up with alien conspiracies. I am so tired of other presenters who are determined to underestimate the skills of the ancestors. I am so pleased that I found your channel.

[@jorgemate901]

Great idea guys!!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Glad you liked it!!

[@janetmackinnon3411]

What pleasure! Thqnk tou.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@mver191]

I like this format! :)

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Michael here. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

[@marystilwell9312]

Interesting, engaging and informative!! Loved it!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Very kind of you to say so! 😊Best wishes from Michael

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

love it guys nice surprise!

[@ReturnViewersGuide]

I like the detective work, good stuff

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@ChristophersMum]

Great show boys...loved it...good format and interesting guests...so it's off to Lewis next year... it'll be an interesting field trip

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊 Yep - looking forward to filming in the new year.

[@ninah_rb_ch2022]

Thank you for this show, just watched it and enjoyed it so much! Looking forward to the next episode! 🤓

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@loulagregg8468]

I like the time line for the show, and Michael, I love your leaps behind Rupert!

[@ottohoulihan2743]

Excellent. Keep em coming guys!

[@islandhome3]

Archeo-awesome! Thank you.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Yay! Thank you Mary! 😊

[@kariannecrysler640]

Love 💕 you two! Thank you so much for such wonderful content!

[@bryandavis401]

Good morning 🙂 Loved it.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Michael here. That's great to hear Nick Davis. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

35:00 Having to watch in small chunks...fantastic work Michael....thankyou!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you're enjoying it 😊

[@alisonarmstrong8421]

I admire your programme, begun with Standing With Stones, watching Rupert stand next to and climb into prehistoric stone complexes; now am also enjoying your dialogue about very pre-historic finds in eastern Europe and more especially in England, Cornwall, Scotland, et alia. I lived in England in the 1970s (was at stone henge without crowds to see sun rise with a couple of friends; went to Glastonbury several times, also Arthur's conception place with Merlin'e cave below, as well a many excursions to Ireland to study, and much later 2017 an archaeological course with Achill Island Field School (but alas in my 70s with crumbling knees); now back in USA am relegated to being an armchair archaeologist/anthropologist. KZbin is a great friend now. But would love to get over again ...

[@lanahanbrian0]

I like this format of variety. It's fun and it keeps me interested. I especially like that you had a couple of short segments with guests.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@rhyskillin5253]

Loving the new format.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Cheers Rhys. Glad to hear that. 😊

[@nightlyshift]

Thank you so much for this, I love the "expanded" format and the guests! Your evident enjoyment hides all the hard work that goes into this. It’s also very helpful that you’ve listed the sections so the topics are easier to find and ruminate over after the first viewing. Good to see you out and about again! C’mon everybody, hit the Like and Subscribe buttons.

[@18daisydoll65]

Sibylle von Halem good comment Sibylle🙏🏼

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Thanks again Sibylle! 😊

[@nightlyshift]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys well, let's get our Guys some more support, eh.

[@cyclicalcycler993]

About the isotope readings on ceramic pottery, some of my archeology friends recently attended a big experimental cookout, where all sorts of known and assumed foods and liquids, dairies and cheese making were cooked in pottery for comparible isotopic measurements in the ceramics. It all conspired in the north of the island of Zealand in Denmark in conjunction with the Danish national museum. Little fun fact: danish hunter gatherers waited over a thousand years to adapt farming while their german neighbors were pushing it hard, but what they did adapt was that modern thing of pottery real fast.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

That's really interesting. Thank you. Any more details to be found out there? Sounds like something we might report on. Best, Michael

[@cyclicalcycler993]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys I will ask them and see if they can direct us to a certain information page or puplication

[@BlueBaron3339]

Outstanding!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Wow! Thank you so much 😊Best wishes from Michael

[@jennijennifer5129]

Hi. I'm from Australia and most likely not the only one. I've always loved U.K. archeology. I find it really fascinating, particularly pre Roman archeology. I've subscribed and look forward to everything you show us

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Michael here. That's great to hear Jenni. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

[@radstar2185]

I really enjoy all your stuff only problem is there is not enough of it 😆 can't wait for the next one. Thanks guys

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Wow! Thank you so much 😊Best wishes from Michael

[@erniefrates1376]

Hooray!!!

[@pigspigs76]

There’s great insight to be had with the sheep’s head

[@carolegarland8050]

Great stuff - greetings from Australia.

[@elainerichards6406]

Very enjoyable and interesting, I used to live near Gorleston in Lowestoft Suffolk, very interested in the legend of the stones there!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@18daisydoll65]

😂 Prehistory News sounds like a bit of an oxymoron to me😉 Guys this show is just delicious, thank you thank you thank you. I got myself a copy of The Tale of the Axe, David Miles (and ordered a copy for my cousin).... brilliant recommendation Rupert, deserves another thank you

[@sillybeeful]

18Daisy Doll my alter ego

[@timwilliams990]

Interesting show, looking forward to more! Thanks

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@jillosullivan400]

Brilliant!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Wow! Thank you so much 😊Best wishes from Michael

[@stanlibuda96]

The P-Guys have a new show! I'm so giddy about it, I have to like & comment even before watching ... thank you so much, this seems to be exactly what I was hoping for. And presented by you two ... that's a definite hit. So, now I can resume watching || Did it. It's even better than I thought. The video about the Charleton Cursus(es) absolutely brilliant.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Wow! Thank you so much 😊Best wishes from Michael

[@divico1575]

This Show is a great idea...! Thanks... The sheep-skull in the clay-head is a very interesting fact. This makes me thoughful...

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@Nembula]

Interestingly, at Sandby Borg, ringfort (438 AD ) in Sweden, one of the people who were killed had sheep's teeth inserted in his mouth.

[@planesail1956]

you guys need to collaborate with the cornish bird on the next standing with stones, she could add so much to the project!

[@Nembula]

I just discovered you guys. Bravo! Wonderful story weaving that whets my appetite for more. Could the Cursuses have been athletic contest courses. Men will have their sport. In neolithic times perhaps they ran a stag down the cursus and teams tried to capture it. To me, if you look at those ruins we are familiar with their function like the Roman coliseum, not everything is a temple or has to do with religion. The ball courts of ancient Mexico also come to mind.

[@raymondporter2094]

Thanks for that.

[@18daisydoll65]

Michael your Vlogumentary was brilliant....beautiful and interesting (with a wild boar on a pedestal). I'm desperate to be a patron, trying to sort that out with Patreon

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Aaaw - thank you so much for that Daisy and for your input and engagement here! Sorry you're having a problem with Patreon. Don't know why that should be. Wishing you luck and kudos for your perseverance!

[@18daisydoll65]

The Prehistory Guys cheers 🍻 I shall deserve my badge when I become a fully paid up patron 😉 (I think you should consider doing a bit of merchandising, you've got a great "product" and brilliant logo to promote) thanks for taking the time to reply 🐗

[@evanhadkins5532]

Any theories on what cursuses were used for? Ceremonial processions?

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi Evan, Yes we do have our own theory about the purpose of the cursus. However, it'll be a while before we air it publicly as it is a bit radical and we'd like to build our case with more research and evidence before we do. Hint: not ceremonial processions! 😊

[@nightlyshift]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Am taking bets on this right now.

[@paynicakes]

hi guys! I've literally just found out about you, and I'm very impressed with your show! I actually live in the town of gorleston on sea, and I'm very skeptical on the stone circle mention on the show. knowing that there are no stone circles past Oxfordshire I find it very hard to believe in neolithic stone circles in this area

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hello Matt, Rupert here. Glad you're enjoying our stuff. You're right of course, and that is precisely why we put Gorleston in our 'whimsy' section. It seems crazy, so what is the origin of the story? It is probably nothing, but that tiny glimmer of possibility makes it tantalizing:)

[@paynicakes]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys I completely agree, I've been interested in the prehistory of Britain since I was a kid, and to actually have a stone circle on my doorstep in Norfolk would be a dream come true, alas, I don't think we'll ever know now, I've been around the area and there is no sign of it left at all

[@heliocentric68]

I love this format of video..so excited about the direction you are taking this channel. Do you only use Patreon for support? I noticed there was no "Join" option on this video which i believe is another way to finacially support your efforts.

[@nightlyshift]

@heliocentric68 The link is at the bottom of the description of the video: www.patreon.com/theprehistoryguys/

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi there! Thanks for this - very soon we'll be launching a Kickstarter campaigns to fund a particular films we want to make and there may be great opportunities who'd prefer to support us via a one-off donation through that. 😊

[@erniefrates1376]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys I'm not familiar with Kickstart. Will that be a separate link to donate, or will it be through the Patreon site? Basically where do I find this because you know I'll get in on this action!

[@anniesearle6181]

Different animal species have different isotopic signatures, meaning that the lipid residues that they found would be identifiably from a certain species. If they got a signature that corresponds to a domestic animal, it would suggest trade with local agriculturalists. In this region it is relatively well documented that there was trade between the hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists and this exchange of dairy products is also known

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Oh - thank you for that! Can you point us in the direction of any references?

[@anniesearle6181]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys www.researchgate.net/publication/24180858_The_Earliest_Horse_Harnessing_and_Milking This should tell you a little bit more about how the lipid residues work and how they're identified. www.researchgate.net/publication/336241066_Subsistence_and_Society_in_Prehistory_New_Directions_in_Economic_Archaeology This book is great for looking at the interaction between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists

[@nightlyshift]

@@anniesearle6181 Great, thank you, I'll look at these too, the subject has been occupying my mind & some discussion further down this page. Am still searching for sources that really convince me. The implications are far-reaching and fascinating.

[@JimBagby74]

100% Alien Free!

[@rosemcguinn5301]

And all the better for it!

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Nicely done Gentlemen! Just wondering ... who's the guitarist? I'm guessing Michael.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Yes, Rupert's a sticks man:)

[@18daisydoll65]

Old Man from Scene Twenty Four they're a talented bunch aren't they

[@danielbisson8032]

pottery is specialty in itself

[@cherylmack6465]

Nerd heaven 😍

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

🤣 About sums it up!. Thanks Cheryl.

[@paulking54]

Maybe the siberian guy liked lamb( afterlife meal) or was a shepherd, hence the sheep skull in his skull. ?? Great show really enjoyed.

[@athopi]

More likely, they were trade pots so they could carry products from where they were produced to where they were traded.

[@mver191]

I think they were pots to put stuff in.

[@heliocentric68]

Tagar Clay Heads...heres one we made earlier :)

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

🤣

[@samb3513]

'Bear, Deer, Nuts' or 'Bare deer nuts'. Two quite different shopping lists there...

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Good point!

[@lazenbytim]

Just wondering whats the most Northerly cursus in the UK?

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Ooooh. I know there are any in Scotland - in fact somewhere there's a particular study of the Scottish cursuses. How far north they extend though - I don't know off the top of my head.

[@cascade7623]

Faking mummies was quite usual in the time of Djoser , the builder of egypt,s first pyramid , under this pyramid they found thousands and thousands of cat and animal mummies with clay cores , cow bones exct . Clay covered heads were also found under the beds of people in the city of JERICHO but they contained the real skulls of the dead . The Chinchorro native of south america also covered the face of the departed with a type of black clay , those are in fact the oldest mummies on earth ( it would make a great discussion as well ) thank you for the great show .p,s is this a real benben stone behind Micheal ?

[@AlanCatherall]

The 3 dislikes are from people who practice stone levitation

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

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[@gilliansmith9141]

That Norfolk circle needs Arial xrays ( or whatever they re called) After all, the blue stones were moved in from afar... (written while still watching btw)

[@jennijennifer5129]

Regarding the Hunter Gatherers having dairy and other foods not necessarily what they themselves hunted and gathered: In their travels, they could have come across permanent communities who had those dairy and other produce, so, maybe they could have traded. E.g. trade furs etc, for that other produce. If it was available, why not try it and trade for some. Anything really could have been possible.

[@carolnorton2551]

We need to scan some other clay decorated skulls.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hello Carol, Rupert here. It would certainly be interesting to see how often they used animal skulls instead. The vast majority of excavated clay skulls have always been broken, so it was clear that they contained human remains. I'd love to know if using the sheep skull was a random decision, or whether they selected animals carefully, to be as appropriate a replacement as possible.

[@carolnorton2551]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys thanks for the response, Love your videos

[@loulagregg8468]

Everything tastes better with butter!

[@bambam5am]

Lay off the dodge dubstep, lads.✌️

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

15:55 doesn't the same go for aurochs? "wild" is such a clumsy term....Aurochs in teams dragging stones then being sacrificed.....???

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

That would be like burning all the JCBs after a housing estate's gone up 🤣

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys yes but JCBs don't breed every year. ...

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Ya can't feed hungry mouths with a JCB........

[@lazenbytim]

I think this Tagar culture is really not dissimilar to use putting a photo of our granddad on the mantelpiece. Frankly I find the whole notion of an urn of ashes on the mantelpiece loathsome, and yet some people love the idea of Aunt Betty's ashes on the mantle.

[@nightlyshift]

In many places, a photo of the deceased is put in a little framed vignette on the gravestone - similar thought process, and very poignant. Photo needs to be chosen well, though… Have seen these all round the Mediterranean & Middle East, from the earliest days of photography.Still another level from wrapping mummies in grass & leather, but hey - each to their own.

[@suzannecooke2055]

Dairy product in pots...perhaps human milk?

[@scotts2510]

BEER NUTS are $2 in the Pub - DEER NUTS are under a Buck

[@mver191]

Perhaps the sheep was this person's spirit guide to the afterlife or something.

[@SteampunkGent]

Dairy in hunter-gatherer pots. Why not consult with the semi-nomadic Sami peoples? Or look at the pastoral/agricultural dichotomy in early Canaan. Here it seems that in wandering times the herders would farm customary fields, gradually settling some of their number as permanent residents. These settlements would grow larger as climate and trade permitted becoming villages and the pastoralists as the minority. But in times that did not favour settlements the pastoralists would again become dominant. Check Finkelstein and Silberman's "The Bible Unearthed" for an account of the process

[@gruboniell4189]

Siberian natufi? Like ancient Turkish where they lived with their dead, kind of rebuilding the dead

[@MooPotPie]

DNA reveals that the neolithic farmers were migrants from what is now Turkey - so that's probably the origin of the practice.

[@gruboniell4189]

MooPotPie so dispersing around the younger dryas? Then moved back with the corded ware culture?

[@deormanrobey892]

👀👍

[@j.d.8075]

To add to your demographic information... I am in Australia

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Thank you JD!

[@suzannecooke2055]

Oh...a boar that is NOT wild is a pig.

[@18daisydoll65]

Suzanne Cooke nope

[@nightlyshift]

@Suzanne Cooke I believe there's a photo somewhere on Vimeo of a certain Mr. Soskin hobnobbing at close quarters with a not-so-wild boar he had "habituated" if not exactly "tamed" over many weeks… so once again, the possiblities expand?

[@kevinreillydenmylne]

werent hunter gatherers and the 1st farmers lactose intolerant? lactose tolerance arrived with the indo european chalcolithic beaker people circa 2400 bce?

[@nightlyshift]

have thought about this too, and I’m guessing that a) the biggest problem with lactose is from cows’ milk, and maybe we’re looking at milk from other animals here?, and b) if the possibility to develop lactose tolerance was present in middle eastern populations, this possibility must be inherent in all of us?, or c) maybe the milk products were given to children and not adults - as is still usual in some far-eastern populations, where most adults are lactose-intolerant?

[@kevinreillydenmylne]

@@nightlyshift horse and goats milk have higher lactose but lactose in sheeps milk is liberated as whey when making cheese and yogurt, this could be checked?. the middle eastern population are also of indo european descent (yamnaya) ergo are lactose tolerant. for kids, yes but children were weened for longer in the past and lactose intolerance begins to show up at 18 months, a lot of work for little return i would have thought. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130828092010.htm this paper is well out of date since the high level of lactose tolerance in european countries is now believed to be caused by a complete replacement of the early farmers by the indo europeans (circa2400 bce) in uk and western and central europe. latest results from scotland kzbin.info/www/bejne/anPLamx7n8eFiJI the results from iberia are startling, 50% survival of female mitrocondrial dna, zero y chromosome survival :( however one tries to interpret this, i doubt it was good news for the early farming lads in spain

[@nightlyshift]

@@kevinreillydenmylne It's often said that the advantage provided by milk & dairy products was that babies could be weaned much sooner, and therefore the mother could have another child sooner - farming needing lots of helping hands! So that's when it started that the women were producing a child a year, rather than with 4-year gaps as in most hunter-gatherer societies even today. Found some interesting info here: factsanddetails.com/world/cat54/sub346/entry-6030.html and also found a site that claims only pasteurised milk produces negative effects, but I'm not sure I buy that.

[@nightlyshift]

@kevin reilly It seems this discussion is taking place in a number of strands on his page now - there's much to learn and to be discovered, I'm sure! Maybe we should flag it up in a couple of months or so, for Question Time?

[@anniesearle6181]

My professor has been doing a lot of work on this and it seems like horses were actually first domesticated for dairy purposes not horse riding. Also, even if adults aren lactose intolerant, babies and young children aren't so it may have been a way to feed motherless babies and or bulk up young children quickly

[@astrolopes]

Show is great, theme music ain't.

[@MrsRanchoFiesta]

Why wouldn't French "preventive" translate to "preservation"??? Weird.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi @ranchofiesta, Rupert here. It's funny really, in French, they tend to use the verb conserver for preserve, and you really can't use preservative, because that's french for a condom.

[@MajiSylvamain]

Why do they have to be one or the other, between twelve and six thousand years ago there would of been a transition from a hunter gather life style to that of farming and trading goods community... So really why can't the people be both hunter gathers and farmers/ herders people who use the tool to fit the activity.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

You're absolutely right, they can be both. But once they do both, they're considered to be farmers. The distinction is simply the point at which people work the land rather than simply exploit it. Best wishes, Rupert

[@MajiSylvamain]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Thank you for answering my question. 👍 I do enjoy your channel... I'm learning a lot about our fair and pleasant land. 😺🐈👍🇬🇧

[@diannechallis4080]

Love your show but could I suggest that you try not to have so many ums and ahs, I find it to be horribly distracting.

[@athopi]

I like what you are doing here but a little less giggly school girl routine and judgement will help you be taken a bit more seriously. RE: Tagar segment.

[@stephenwalker4040]

Let em have their fun- sheesh.

[@deormanrobey892]

I like the light hearted and amusing informal discussion, as do many others.

[@heliocentric68]

The light hearted side of the guys is what makes them fun to watch. There is an undeniable chemistry and real friendship that shines through and its a joy to see, especially in the current climate of doom and gloom.

[@nightlyshift]

I find the combination of serious research with a personal and sometimes humorous approach absolutely unique and particularly compelling.

[@nightlyshift]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e Yes! Many folks in other countries don't understand that British humour does not imply something isn't being taken seriously. I had to tone myself down a LOT when I moved to Austria, they just didn't get what I was on about.

[@raymondjayjohnson693]

Less promotion. More content. You all are old enough to not act like 14 year old types.