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[@Primoh]

Ian was a really great engineer and super responsive to anyone who asked him for help (even if they didn’t work with him). He was a prolific writer and had amazing docs of career advice within Google. Pretty jarring to see him leave. The explicit callouts make me think that he left because he got fed up with his manager, not because he hated the work.

[@tomcutts9200]

I once worked at a company that genuinely distributed software update installers via small USB drives attached to carrier pigeons. Many clients in some part of the world were in very remote locations, with extremely patchy and slow internet connections, so as a secondary backup measure for some of them we had the pigeons. The thing is a single pigeon can carry terrabytes of data in one huge packet... the ping is of course extremely high, but the data throughput potentially very massive indeed!

[@LV-md6lb]

Do you have any link for reading more on this? It sounds surreal

[@tomcutts9200]

@@LV-md6lb I don't want to divulge too much info about former employers, and anyway I personally didn't deal with that end of things, I was just developing the software. The pigeon distribution was happening somewhere in southern Africa (totally different branch of the company) to get their localised versions of it out to remote end-points but honestly I don't think they actually used the pigeons that often, it was a backup. The software had a massive (many gigs) working database of data that was updated every month or so, and that needed to be locally on the all the end point machines especially in the remote areas, to allow for continued functionality even when their internet connections were out. We had some high value contracts demanding 5 nines of uptime, and horribly punitive clauses if obligations were not met, so we had to absolutely guarantee data could get where it needed to be, at least eventually, and apparently sending a bunch of pigeons is pretty reliable, and potentially a faster data transfer speed than a ropey dial-up connection anyway (depending on how much data you're sending and how far the pigeon has to fly). AFAIK, most locations did generally get their data on time via the internet no problem, but just in case there were some pigeons. The problem with the pigeons I think, is you then have to reset them, so you don't want to use them more often than you can reliably get some poor asshole to drive them back to their data pickup & release point.

[@tomcutts9200]

@@LV-md6lb I feel I should also add... the company I worked for was pretty big on contingency planning. For example, on the opposite side of the car park of the office building I worked in there was another identical building, setup just like the one I was in but with no-one in it. If the office burnt down or something, we could just walk outside and be back at "our" desks in like 3 minutes. If both offices were out of commission due to some wider disaster, there was a 3rd one ready to go in a different city. But when you're contractually obliged to provide 99.999% service uptime I guess that's how you do it.

[@isurujn]

@@tomcutts9200 😯 That is unreal. Can you share more or are you under NDA or something? I’d like to know which country was this and what kind of domain they were in.

[@tomcutts9200]

@@isurujnYeah under NDA. And the services the company provided are quite specific with very few industrial competitors so if I went into any particular details it would be fairly easy to deduce who it is for anyone in that industry. IIRC the pigeons were in South Africa, but I might have been mis-remembering as the service was in many markets globally with wide coverage, so it could have been any country with potentially hard to access remote locations.

[@Mel-mu8ox]

Early days are always the most fondly remembered... Their also the most frustrating, but time has a way of washing out the hardship, in favour of the memory of pulling together as a functional team. A beautiful madness....

[@ShukMaBols]

damn bro

[@Kane0123]

Vanilla WoW is the classic example I think of for this kind of rose tinted view of the old days. People remember the simpler times and friends they made… they forget all the negative, buggy, guild hierarchy rubbish.

[@Mel-mu8ox]

@@Kane0123 LOL the same thing happens to Minecraft realms. The start is always the most active, so ppl tend to pull together. After about 2 months ppl drop out having realised maintaining or completing builds has become boring and the power mad have revealed themselves. At 3 months, most realms have already reset their world. With the excuse of lag (having be caused by redstone never getting turned off, and the thousands of entities built up in each base, 'item frames' included XD ) I think many things in life follow this pattern.

[@triplebog]

I really appreciate Prime's shutting down of the "that's capitalism" crowd in this video. Nobody makes my eyes roll harder than those people. I don't think that the free market is the end all be all solution for everything, but the dynamics he is describing of how organizations decay and become more arbitrary is literally what happens in every non-free market society almost immediately. It just happens in the government.

[@AlexanderVlasov]

As a person who experienced the transition from Sun Microsystem to Oracle, yeah, I can relate. Spent 11 years there, but as soon as Oracle's way of doing business infiltrated our department, I've handed my resignation.

[@spkim0921]

I'm so glad I learned javascript before react or node, otherwise I would feel constantly offended by prime

[@Tobsson]

I don't even know node, but I do know React. I'm not offended, I'm just a product of my time.

[@XDarkGreyX]

I learned JS before any framework when React got started and for many years after that. I actively ignored frameworks. I may currently be be a filthy dev working with PHP, WP, Symfony, vanilla JS and jQ, but I still haven't looked at React much. Vue and Svelte ftw when it comes to JS. Those I consider and learn for the future, because the framework landscape is a good bit different in Europe. Fewer React Andys needed.

[@Snollygoster-]

Googles old motto was "Don't be evil" We believe strongly that in the long term, we will be better served-as shareholders and in all other ways-by a company that does good things for the world even if we forgo some short term gains."

[@0oShwavyo0]

Somehow pointing that out is naive though according to the video 🤷‍♂️ seems like a fair criticism to me

[@michaelandrews4783]

The fact they are a Capitalist company , with a board and shareholders taking all the money workers generate makes them evil.

[@monad_tcp]

They say that's the purpose of social scores. I don't think I believe that shareholders in wall street ever have the interest of any other people besides themselves. Maybe companies should just stick to making good products, and let the consumers vote with their wallets, how about that.

[@NickSteffen]

One thing to appreciate is that a lot of other companies have adopted aspects of Google’s original culture. They became much more open internally and allowed much more freedom to operate. Based on what i hear from people it seems like as Google has gotten older it feels less open than some of these older companies. I think a lot of these companies have had to develop an ability to control and change their culture over the years while it feels like Google did not do so yet and as such they are losing what made them great in the beginning.

[@brandonw1604]

That really hit the nail with Android in the head. Google didn’t start really building their own environment and quit chasing iOS until Android 12, stock Android not OneUI or others.

[@Damian-cd2tj]

I mean, in the past decade, Google has hired lots of engineers whose main goal is to get “prestige” and “coast” as much as they can while working on their own projects.

[@jasondoe2596]

He forgot to read the final paragraph, LOL. (And it ends with an important observation, IMO. You see the same thing with politicians.)

[@metaltyphoon]

He really need to “invest” into reading a bit more 😂

[@luongtruong]

I am currently working at a small-mid size company and I can feel the connection with C-suite people. They’re doing essentially what OP’s C-suite people did early days at Google. I even sat down and ate breakfast with my VP, CTO, shook hands with CEO, etc. I dearly hope my company won’t become this when they go IPO next year and grows bigger in the future.

[@RenaudAlly]

Hi! Out of curiosity, what do you think is a good way to gauge a company's culture? I'm not chasing highest of pays, as much as a good working culture i.e. nice competent colleagues. Happy new year by the way!

[@Cmacu]

⁠​⁠@@RenaudAllyhere are several things I personally ask and pay attention to during interviews: - interaction between the members of the team interviewing me. Is it clear who in the meeting is their manager, do they appear like they know each other personally and use small names as such. - introductions and handoffs between the interview rounds. It’s interesting to mention the people from your last interview and ask about the people from your next interview. - ask the same question and pay attention to the different answers. Something like what they love the most about their job or which is their favorite product feature. Are the answers similar or completely different - mention some contradiction and pay attention to the reaction. For example something like sql vs sequel or json vs jasun, etc. you can simply say “Did you mean Sequel?” - ask them a question about leadership. Do they have a story about interaction with the CEO, CTO, etc. Of course doing some online research on your own helps a lot too. And if during your research you find a concern or something that you are curious about than you can try to address it

[@LuealEythernddare]

For those who don’t know, flutter is basically a cross platform framework for Dart. It’s kinda a challenge to React-Native

[@caiodavi9829]

imagine liking javascript

[@djilouzitouni398]

I do. Am guilty.

[@Mel-mu8ox]

I hate Java more than JavaScript.... So given the choice... I say: I like JavaScript XD

[@Dev-Siri]

imagine javascript

[@randomocitystudios5046]

imagine

[@tkdevlop]

Imagine being unemployed

[@keyboard_g]

Seeing companies go through this change is depressing AF. Private Equity really turns the screws accelerating the change.

[@pif5023]

My dream is being part of a culture that starts good things. Money and the prestige of a company mean less to me than being part of that core culture with a shared vision, or ideally of the founding team. Yeah, reading these articles makes me sad but also I see it as a natural consequence. I like to think about it as a “capital takeover” point, not maliciously but as the way we today have to keep organizations alive. The result though is that we keep alive only their shells because the organization is the people there in the end. People change, they go away, new come and so on.

[@isodoubIet]

Yeah going to chalk up the "oh it's just a coincidence that looks bad" stuff to this guy being criminally naive. It's entirely possible that google only recently took a nosedive for people who work there, too, and the evidence seems consistent with that, but google has been terrible for its users for over a decade now. When all the coincidences go in one direction, they're not coincidences.

[@kiragi17]

15:22 investing in employees to grow them internally has a higher upfront cost but the long term benefits are massive. I work for an organization that has great horizontal and vertical mobility and I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon.

[@connorskudlarek8598]

That casual Twitch chat "humans can only remember 150 people." My guy, humans can remember more than 150 Pokemon let alone people. :P The hypothesis is that humans can't have much more than 150 simultaneous stable relationships. This is known as Dunbar's number. And the 95% confidence interval on that is from 2 to 520 people, so it's not a very helpful number.

[@pranavagrawal9382]

source for the confidence interval?

[@connorskudlarek8598]

@@pranavagrawal9382 science daily has a study on it. Links on KZbin tend to get denied, removed, and/or shadow banned.

[@connorskudlarek8598]

@@pranavagrawal9382 it's from Stockholm University and they applied modern statistical methods and found that was the confidence interval. Essentially, Dunbar's number cannot actually quantize the limits of meaningful human relationships. There is no causal effect of our neocortex size compared to other primates to determine group sizes.

[@Optable]

Was he not first referencing the layoffs in 2017, and not covid-related 2020 hiring excess spree?

[@markoviitanen4441]

Been at Google for the last 11 years, and I can tell you that one of the biggest problems is overreacting to problems, then finding quick short term solutions, in expense of taking time, consulting the experts, and actually solving the problems well. It's like trying to patch a wound with band-aid, just to see it start bleeding again, later.

[@mrpginpa]

"Not too late to heal Google" == "It's actually too late to heal Google"

[@anj000]

3:23 she said something about money and she had monetary insensitive in saying that. While Asmond shared his opinion. It is completely different. If you will demand money, especially in rude way, you will get push back

[@autokludge]

FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH

[@isodoubIet]

Also there's a difference between selling a product (you price it however you want bro I'm not your mother) and straight up e-begging, which is what it seems like she was doing.

[@marcrippee4365]

Great point about curating gamed metrics to prove value in unnecessary work streams

[@sevilnatas]

The thing that I hate about this austerity that many big companies are doing, post Covid, is based on a logical fallacy. They see 2023 as a down year, but in reality, for most, it is just back to the place it would have been if 2021 and 2022 where just normal "constant and steady growth" years. Because 2021 and 2022 where boom years, doesn't necessarily make 2023 a bust year. If you look at the revenue for many of the big companies and track their growth, but project the same growth through the Covid years, 2023 is right on track with where it should be if, the growth prior to the boom that was Covid, hadn't happened and things just trended normally.

[@mage3690]

To your point at 7:30, I don't think it's inevitable, but I do think it's like gravity. Companies want to make money, and an awful lot of the easy things a company can do to make more money are subtly evil things. That seeps into the culture, and then it's GG. Or an alternative take is that bigger companies just need to be run in different ways than smaller companies, but the founder of any company is by definition running his company as a small company, so when the company outgrows its management structure, the culture just defenestrates. Or both of those things, or any number of other reasons. It's not inevitable, but avoiding it sure seems to be NP-hard.

[@Strez96]

I don't get why ppl hate Flutter so much. I get it's not native code and not a native rendering method for apps but at least it gets the work done.

[@RiwenX]

Flutter is great. and you can write business logic in Rust.

[@TomNook.]

The Nov 18 tweet from the one mentioned in the article I think confirms its accuracy. In the tweet she is responding to Firebase posting a security issue that has been reviewed. Her response? "Recognizing the need to do better is the first step", which is very passive aggressive PM speak for "I blame the devs".

[@lifewater]

I always get taken back for a second when I hear the anti name and shame people chime in. Such a powerful tool that was so overused when I was in school, now goes completely underutilized

[@anonemoose102]

Should only be used when it's a crime. Needless name and shame is just creating drama.

[@lifewater]

@@anonemoose102ya but then there’s no accountability.

[@virusmaster27]

Once you let the mba's in the company culture goes to shit.

[@daltonyon]

Great move in the negation. For sure, there are a lot of Devs that fall in the Trap in Big Techs, having fewer benefits from current company or with future promises, and when they accept, saw this is harder to achieve this benefits/future promises! There's a research that say of most of successful Company in time the great leaders were inside, not outside and more, this research tells that of the Company's which bring great leaders of outside failed in the long time! Great reaction and article!!

[@apollolux]

Dang, even I heard of that guy from years ago, and I know of very few names of that level of influence in not just web dev evangelism, but also web policy. Seems like a (particular?) straw broke that camel's back. For what it's worth, I feel that even in the span of this past year based on my own interview experiences with Google (one of which was for what would've almost certainly been their Skynet) that it's more than just an overzealous commitment to a plan that no longer applies; there seems to have been a complete company-wide change of culture over time that the recent mass layoffs were intended to resolve, but I'm almost certain they continue to look in the wrong places within the company for who to let go.

[@pauldavis7256]

Primeagean story time to chill/fall asleep to.

[@pieflies]

To some extent, even if you could see that the covid tech boom would pull back, you still potentially have to hire extra people to handle the boom time. Maybe less relevant for a company as large as Google but certainly for smaller companies.

[@Edwin-nl3qu]

I get that the data showed "number go up" and its very difficult to foresee how things play out three years down the line when you are in the middle of a once in a century black swan event. That said, isn't that part of their job? I mean veering of the course a little bit heck a lot of bit is acceptable here but shouldn't completely missing the mark come with some accountability. IMO Sundar along with a bunch of key execs should lose their jobs.

[@the_derpler]

Early days are always different. The place has soul, there's way way less HR, you get to build things and have ownership, also you might end up rich.

[@elimgarak3597]

Google doesn't care about privacy, and that is a fact. And the public opinion has the DUTY to keep companies in check, sorry that it hurts his feelings. Bad start, but then the article gets better.

[@jonathancrowder3424]

- "what's ligma?" - "You might need to see a doctor.." - 'F I knew it'

[@alexm9104]

These changes may be associated with the growing influence of shareholders on the company. Those people become main clients rather than regular consumers. We know why people buy stocks. Just to make profit from it. And those people don't really care about the company and it's consumers. The only thing they do care is their own profit. Essentially, this is a conflict of interest between shareholders and the general public.

[@Daniel_Zhu_a6f]

it is possible that shift in policy occurs due to organisational structure. the larger company becomes, the more authoritarian it is in structure and the more methods of coercion it has. so, in a sense it's a capitalism problem, this would probably be much less of an issue in a company where every employee has a say over policy.

[@sunnohh]

Prime apologizes for business stupidity too much

[@sourcedecay]

I learned react before javascript and now I'm never going to touch either of them again.

[@Seaoftea]

Everyone turns into the evil empire.

[@warsmith1294]

"You learned react before javaScript" ouch

[@AssGoblin]

Damn, 3:50 in and I'm already getting called out LMAO.

[@MichaelMacaluso]

I always have a hard time with understanding how the incentives work for google until I just looked at their revenue. They are a advertising company(2023, 78% of total rev is from ads) that just so happens to also be doing software. Any user value increase would be to increase ads served. Google is not in the business of just creating user value like a software company would.

[@TomNook.]

I learnt IP Over Avians today

[@BeefIngot]

This video felt very "Primeagen praises corporate" "Everyone would be souless ceos" Nah.

[@isodoubIet]

I don't think he was saying everyone would be soulless CEOs, I think he was saying people would all have been misled into thinking the state of affairs during the pandemic was the new normal and that new growth trends were here to stay.

[@MCasterAnd]

It's extremely noticeable that Google has changed. I mean, there's just no innovation in the company anymore. I mean, we are in the midst of a huge leap forward in AI tech, yet the google assistant has had zero updates for some years now…

[@BlackDub21]

And Microsoft past them up in AI which is crazy. I thought google was more advanced in that field out of all the faangs

[@vornamenachname594]

I personally would have done differently. And I 100% believe and know it.

[@PS3PCDJ]

4:50 And most if not all of that cynicism and wariness became 100% justified

[@lezzbmm]

25:30 goodhart’s law

[@abdulazizaskaraliev6119]

Damn, as someone who's working with Jeanine Banks, I can confirm it sucks. Damn .

[@SloanStewart]

7:00 Dunbar's Number

[@SamKani]

brb seeing my doctor about my ligma

[@davegnarlsson4344]

Evil people lie. Sometimes it is evil.

[@shreyydev]

Why don't people like flutter? I wanna know. People who don't can you please share your thoughts?

[@isurujn]

I have worked with both native and cross-platform technologies like Flutter. I don't hate any of those. But compared to native, cross-platform frameworks have issues. Personally the biggest problems I faced is the maintenance aspect of it. Flutter is still growing and it's growing fast, which is a good thing. However, it requires you to keep up with it as well. For example, there was a project at my last company that was written about 2 years ago. It recently had an issue where it'd crash at startup out of the blue. I don't believe it was a Flutter issue but we couldn't even get the app to compile and run because everything has changed so much. The language (Back then, Dart didn't have null-safety features), the tooling (New Xcode versions sometimes aren't compatible with older Flutter projects), various dependencies being out of date to name a few issues. We had to completely discard the old codebase and re-write it. Flutter is great if you want to get a prototype out in a short period of time. But those gains don't come with no cost.

[@SibDesign]

Hey prime 😂 howww this household detects that I'm not in the same family because friend of mine gave me access and it was working then it kicked me out with that label

[@GLAJMAN]

fireBASED

[@onlinepersona4333]

I don't really get Prime's point about tech layoffs. If his point were true, why wouldn't they just lay off all the new hires instead of deep cuts that axed long term experienced employees?

[@jakeparker918]

Primeagen confirmed to be an AI at 27:11 (watch the video of his face)

[@thachester]

The other side of the coin, how does google have the right to decide what's good for people.

[@etcher6841]

Big oof, Jeanine, BIG oof ...

[@noriller]

19:30 ...led by the same companies that would gain more with people being online more... Please be online more, but not you, working with us... we want you at the office.

[@joesilvareality]

Comment unrelated to this vid: Would love the Prime to make a full blown coding course and throw it up on Udaddy, call it 'Zero to Prime'. Think his philosophy baked into a course would be interesting and helpful, or it could turn out to sk and be a crash grab but either way I would purchase.

[@aoe4_kachow]

JS andys rise up

[@Ch0rr1s]

3:40 - ok thats going too far. call me noob, call me a Java starter. you can even call me an elixer lover. But never EVER, call me a react dev ok? Thats going way too far.

[@scarymonkey3496]

@prime are those K712s? Are you allergic to bass and privacy?

[@Selbstzensur]

In my new company i have to use c#. And i thought damn, i hate microsoft, because all of their war against linux and open source. And now i think, for me c#, is the best programming language ever out there. All is open source. Visual Studio as Ide is great. Yeah i know, no neovim. Okay, but the ide, the integration with everything, the debugger. It's perfect. And the new minimal api stuff, that gives me this ruby sinatra framework minimal feeling which i loved back then. But back to topic. I think google did a lot. They changed microsoft from an not as bad as ibm badguy, to an open source company with the whole package from dev ops, azure, github, operating system, everything shit. And yeah, i still love gentoo and arch linux, but deeply in my heart i forgave microsoft, because they changed. And without google their mentality would still be moderate ibm badguy like. Nothing against ibm, but in the 80's ibm was the badguy who motivated gates, jobs and everything to do it better. And they motivated google to do it better. So the generational process of doing better is working.

[@TayambaMwanza]

Angular can't get no respect 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@alquemir]

Tim Sneed did nothing wrong

[@sporefergieboy10]

I CANT SNEED

[@tc2241]

Whenever I see long winded articles or videos about someone who left some big company after x years, it just gives me the vibes of those cringey “why I left buzz feed” videos. So self-aggrandizing and indulgent. Rarely ever an honest self-reflection, just grievances that reflect their own inflated ego and titillate their audiences preconceived notions about x company/industry.

[@DemonixTB]

on one hand you're right but imagine giving 18 years of your own and only life to a singular company that you percieve is circling the drain in some way. that sort of experience should grant you some brownie points to act that way I think.

[@isodoubIet]

@@DemonixTB I get the point but this article is filled with excuses. "Oh we actually were working for the good of the world when we started bloating web standards to make it difficult for other browsers to compete". Saying that the real problems only started in the last 3 years or so is downright comical.

[@stanrock8015]

He seems to be making the right choice to leave. I work with all 3 clouds daily and like google by far the most and disagree with him dramatically. Work with many from Google that openly enjoy their jobs. Everyone is different but this guy is trying to presume everyone is like him. 🤷‍♂️

[@paypalmymoneydfs]

AWS is the worst, they just spammed ads until everyone fell for them

[@skyhappy]

Why do you like GCP the most

[@k98killer]

Capitalism is just a value hierarchy in which the accumulation of capital is the highest moral good. Capital is anything that can be used for production.

[@ValorantInSpecter]

3:25 the best take by far trying to bully people into buying or doing something is gonna cause people to hate you not ur gender or whatever excuses you make just like youtube when they trying to force disabling ad blockers

[@williamforsyth6667]

FLUTTER IS THE BEST. Just sayin'

[@enriqueisaacs8181]

Pls Primeagen, dont be a Poki simp. You're too good of a person, but don't be the type who wants to see the good in people who are clearly narcissists

[@d.developer]

flutterigen

[@senoraraton]

Capitalism doing what capitalism does.... Prime: "THIS CANT BE CAPITALISM". Even your example of hiring from outside, its because those people are brought in for profits. They prioritize profits. The reason they got hired was because they are there to increase profits. This is what you get.

[@stevenkluga8929]

Yes, that's how economy works.

[@Rick_Frigate]

The reason anyone gets hired is to increase profits bro

[@kidkool27]

Seems like a problem with any entity growing too big. Idk how socialism would solve this with a bureaucracy with the same number of people.

[@isodoubIet]

@@Rick_Frigate Yes thats what he said

[@ahmeddakir5000]

Discord notifications aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[@plaidchuck]

I mean you shouldn't be at those companies that long anyways. Should be starting your own thing like all of the Microsoft millionaires and such. And dude called someone by name specifically as incompetent? Dude gonna get sued.

[@theondono]

It's easy to defend Google's actions if you choose the softballs. Someone had to write actual code for cracking WEP encryption keys *and* add it to Google cars, that wasn't an accident, that wasn't a *misunderstanding*, that was relatively early Google doing unethical things for Google's benefit (in this case, better Google Maps).

[@cowCuddler]

What if google took blender and turned it into an operating system

[@progpogs]

The asmon vs poke comparison is way off base. Asmon is a loser, so his saying of twitch being for losers is tongue-in-cheek. Poke isn't broke.

[@ItsTimeToCode]

flutter is bad because dart is trash.

[@erfanashkan5925]

I disagree with the notion that the issue lies not with capitalism but with large teams. In capitalist enterprises, which encompass the majority of businesses, the management style often involves giving project leaders the autonomy to succeed while burdening them with sole responsibility for failures(witch is a win win for upper managment. ) . This dynamic, coupled with intense competition among teams, fosters environments like the one described. I believe this is a direct result of capitalism and the management practices that evolved post-World War II. A historian named Johann Chapoutot delves into this topic extensively and provides valuable insights.(im not saying it's a bad strat, just that it's a capitalist strat)

[@TrueProfesional]

nice

[@TurtleKwitty]

"theres still time to heal google if they ignore stock fluctuations" except aht legally they can't atall. No matter whos at the helm. This is exactly what people mean by capitalism ruins everything. If someone even tried to actually make he bestp roducts for users without caring about the stock price they legally MUST be removed from position. This article end reeks of early googler not understanding what being a public company means in the slightest

[@kylewhite2985]

So they are required "legally" but somehow still "capitalism" fault? mongoloid

[@AbhishekKumar-tz5pw]

First

[@bossssssist]

lol it’s because a bunch of betas watch pokimam

[@paypalmymoneydfs]

Lmao bro making a big deal out of retiring a millionaire

[@Nallu_Swami]

Pin me youll go viral 😊

[@TheChodex]

"Why I left Company after 18 years" - I mean most of marriages don't last that long... so the fact that you stayed that much in a company means you were either pretty happy there or payed so well that hapiness was irrelevant. So writing an article about it feels pretty weird and unecessary

[@Narcopia]

i paid attention to the vid, sounded like the feller was pretty happy there until he wasnt

[@marcossantos1998]

He leaves at his own accord after 18 years... You'd think he just might have something to say.