How Sonny Forelli Betrayed Tommy Vercetti , What Happened In 1971- GTA Vice City Lore Explained

[@theprofessional155]

Hi everyone. I wanted to link Eduazy's channel. He restored the old Vice City Bureau of Investigation board that had Sonny Forelli's file that was taken down by Rockstar years ago. I found that picture of his file online and I felt bad that I did not credit the original site. Here is the site and his youtube channel. The image was at 27:50 VCPD Bureau Of Investigation Website:classicgtasites.com/vicecity/ Eduazy Channel:kzbin.infofeatured

[@Tismdylan]

How the hell is your comment All the way down here

[@MaxerV19]

@@Tismdylan he didn't pin it lel

[@theprofessional155]

@@MaxerV19 I did pin it. When I edited it it got unpinned. I repined it.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

I still recommend anyone who enjoys Vice City to watch your stuff on Vice City because I looked into quite a bit of the info that you got spot on also rest in peace Tommy Vercetti

[@cblast8439]

Tommy being the oldest protagonist... I'm sure gta London was in the 60s, so maybe that dude? I have no memory of the game at this stage of my life

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Tommy was loyal to the family. Sonny was very greedy and looked at Tommy as a tool. Truly a gta Vice City real lesson there: who is your real friends?

[@jeffmenace91]

Love how the final mission name is "Keep Your Friends Close."

[@99mrpogi]

If there's a lesson that the GTA games can teach you, is that no matter how loyal you are to your friends, they'll always find a way to betray you, or make you look like you're the bad guy from their point of view

[@JimmySpace69]

Ken rosenberg

[@ewaewa1756]

Yeah he just told that

[@furqantarique3484]

Yes Sonny Forelli getting killed was justified

[@MisterFischMemes]

Always made my heart melt whenever Tommy told Earnest, "Don't you worry, pop, I'm not angry with you."

[@gftyhify]

For a mob boss and a raging lunatic Tommy is very reasonable and understanding. I bet if Sonny had been the owner of the print works he would’ve been angry at Earnest and had him killed if Earnest wasn’t able to fend off rival mobsters.

[@icywinx861]

@@gftyhify Still I would trust CJ more but Tommy is pretty good boss too.

[@gftyhify]

@@icywinx861 I also really like the fact that when Ken Rosenberg’s cocaine addiction got out of hand on the lead up to GTA San Andreas, Tommy again didn’t kill Ken, but instead paid for his rehab and then cut ties. Most other mob bosses would’ve killed Ken as his cocaine addiction coupled with his constant panicking could be a threat to the organisation

[@icywinx861]

@@gftyhify Yes but he never spoke to Ken again and that wasn't right. Anyway compared to other mafia boss. Tommy is an angel.

[@gftyhify]

@@icywinx861 originally there was supposed to be scene in the GTA San Andreas Introduction where Ken talks to Tommy on the phone, but because of the falling out that Rockstar had with Ray Liotta they instead had Ken speaking to one of Tommy’s henchmen who refused to put Tommy on the phone

[@ntrainr160]

Tommy is one of the nicest boss one can ask for in GTA. He lets Lance get away for screwing up a lot and isn’t harsh when Lance complains or talks back. Tommy is like more of a coach to him. If Lance was working for someone like Sonny, Dimitri, Frank Tenpenny, Bulgarin, Haines, or Salvatore Leone he won’t last very long as those people won’t show mercy to him for messing up or even talking back.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

I think vice city stories also show how ungrateful Lance was to Vic Like yeah Vic got himself into a lot of trouble and made a lot of enemies as he became a crime boss, but Lance was the catalyst that led his gang's downfall, the death of his girlfriend, and even his own death at the start of vice city. Lance was lucky to have had someone like Vic and Tommy yet he squandered it all.

[@99mrpogi]

Tenpenny would probably murder someone by carrying it out himself or sending someone else and then attempt to blackmail lance Vance.. makes me wonder how things would look like if lance Vance is working for big smoke or jizzy

[@ntrainr160]

@@99mrpogi Lance would be very incompetent and annoying that Tenpenny would get rid of him soon as possible. Tenpenny kept CJ alive because he was useful to him while Pulaski wanted CJ dead right away. CJ eventually found a way to beat Tenpenny.

[@lakeside1168]

He was spoiled by the generosity and didnt realize what game he was playing

Facts

[@nounicorns1087]

This made me realize how hilariously stupid Lance is. Thinking Sonny would appreciate him and treat him better than Tommy XD. Tommy was the best boss you could wish for but Lance thinks he‘s being treated unfairly despite all his screwups. He reminds me of Matthew Bevilaqua who was also the biggest joke of the Sopranos.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

True that.

[@calangoraivoso9921]

He tought he was gonna be an associate for Forelli and help him run things in VC lol, Sonny would probably murder him afterwards to cut loose ends.

[@prostreetfairladyz8402]

Lance > Playboy X (Trey Stewarts)

[@Garindo]

He also reminds me to Manny the best friend of Tony Montana in scarface. Yes Manny isn't a traitor like Lance but like Lance he's very incompetent in his job as underboss. Like Lance he's in charge of security but he doesn't do his job at all. It starts with this suspicious van that hang around at Tony's property and Manny didn't even think about checking them out like Lance didn't handle the problem with the protection money from the bar in vice point. Or he introduced Seydelbaum to the organization propably without to do any research about this guy what causes Tony a lot of legal problems. And as Tony went to New York to do a job for sosa he left Manny in charge of the organization but instead of doing his job he disappeared without telling anybody where he was to screw around with Tony's sister. And as Tony returned to Miami he found his organization in chaos, unfit for a war against sosa. Manny didn't had the intention to betray his boss, Tony would probably still alive if Manny did his job. He killed Tony with his incompetence like Lance killed his brother and also would have killed Tommy with his incompetence even if he hadn't the intention to betray him

[@ChillConservative2k15]

@@Garindo No Tony got himself killed dude by being a coke addict

[@robtz759]

Funny how the Forellis went from being the most powerful mob family in the city, to being a joke that borrows money from their rivals in just 15 years

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Heck even had Tommy rose up the ranks faster. Even taking over Sonny’s position as the Don, im sure that he could’ve maintained the Forelli family for long. Heck he could’ve expanded into Vice City like he did in the GTA Vice City events.

[@99mrpogi]

@@elperrodelautumo7511 and Tommy vercetti probably became a natural enemy to Toni cipriani

[@calangoraivoso9921]

@@99mrpogi that would've been dope, but Tommy was more older than Toni so Toni would've win in a battle.

[@bigbootyenjoyer]

@@99mrpogi i dont see why they would be enemies

[@99mrpogi]

@@bigbootyenjoyer the likeliness of that happening is if tommy vercetti, as an underboss for the forelli never left liberty city for vice city until the events of GTA LCS

[@alifnajmi1997]

Note: Don't ever give your trust and money to the people like Sonny and Lance because people like them always waiting a right moment like a venomous snake to betray you and haunt you down

[@borico62]

I don't think Sonny and Lance are the same. I want to hear Professional's take on Lance, but I feel that Lance has some kind of borderline personality disorder (frantic fear of abandonment, unstable and intense relationships, impulsiveness, substance abuse). I think Lance didn't betray Tommy out of greed (as someone like Sonny would do), but rather, because in his own mind, Tommy had already betrayed him.

[@Frosty98206]

Real Talk(100), Why got to Read ppl(Learn that Skill), You have to be careful who you bring in cause they person could sell you out like a Cheap Coat Whether be to Save their own Hide or just to Spite you.

[@Norbert011]

@@borico62 lance is a sociopath.

[@jerrysmooth24]

snakes aren't poisonous they're venomous

[@MaRgEd.ZamaSU]

@@borico62 i think sonny sent lence as his plan

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Truly your explanation lore on why Sonny betrayed Tommy makes sense.

[@lukeaz12]

GTA Vice city

[@setro5582]

Definitive sonny betrayed wreck it ralph

[@POPCATthe3rd]

I can say that sonny killed himself by trying to aimbush Tommy,and that cost him the whole forelli family to fall down

[@99mrpogi]

And sonny's other brothers Marco, Franco and Mike ended up getting killed by the other protagonists

[@nounicorns1087]

The irony is that Tommy would have never betrayed Sonny. He could have been Sonny‘s biggest asset but Sonny was a greedy shitty insecure scumbag who cost himself big time. I think Sonny was definetly smart but his psychopathic instincts screwed him over.

[@Breeze5050z]

Facts

[@madcracker8077]

straight up, that one bad decision made it so that hella Forelli's got killed, and the family weakened, then, the other brothers get killed by other protagonists. That one decision caused the whole family to fall.

[@AP-ig5pi]

@@99mrpogi CJ killed them right?

[@Eddy-my3zf]

I always look forward to these lore videos. They're insightful

[@randywells8974]

Eddy: Kevin ha Neve thought they let him out Edd: he kept his head down help people forget Ed: what we going do Eddy? Eddy: we been talking about expanding are scams right? The candy store downtown new pure grade A jawbreaker. The kanker sisters, Sarah an jimmy, hell even rolth getting in on some pure surger. Edd: it all surger free Eddy none the kids will touch that stuff. Eddy: they won't need to know. We send him down there an before they realized we're rolling in it an Kevin will get blamed for it. Who are contact down there? Edd: Jonny 2x4. Strange kid how he going control Kevin lease. Eddy: we won't need him too we set him lose for the day than we go down an see how he doing. *School detention* Jonny: hay guys let go to the candy store. Shara an jimmy are there with the jawbreakers. Alley way by the candy store* Kevin: you got the stuff? Shara: you got the change? Kevin: quarters used. Shara: I think we got a deal. *Dumbster lid opens, canker sister emerge with paint ball guns. Kevin jumps on bmx pegs.* Kevin: pedal dork. Payphone booth* Eddy: Kevin! How it go? *Kevin sigh* Eddy I know a hour an fifteen minutes seems just like this morning Kevin: must be a perspective thing. Eddy: hay doing time no pice of cake but we look after each other. So we sitting on some sweet gold? Kevin: look Eddy the deal was ambush, ed an edd we're raped. Eddy: you better not be screwing with me leaving cus you know I'm not a man to be screwed with. Kevin: wait Eddy you have my word I'm going get the candy back an I'll mail you the lipstick stain of those responsible. Eddy: I know you will Kevin, I'll be in touch.

[@lukeaz12]

Sonny Forelli

[@KingDevoneoGotBeats]

Hell yeah 💯

[@alexishart364]

Hi Eddy 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋

[@daniik_5494]

As they should be

[@mu11erandr31]

34:50 Sonny was angry at Tommy for running errands for his relative Giorgio and not looking for the money. Giorgio got Ken to do that behind Sonny's back which angered Sonny hence the phone call. Also, Giorgio Forelli is the dark haired guy at Marco's Bistro in the first cutscene (see 24:20) who gives Ken's name to Sonny (at 24:38) (as he is Ken's client) and doesnt appear at the end in Keep Your Friends Close (unlike the blond guy who does appear with Sonny, at 38:57) because he is indebted to Tommy and Ken for helping him avoid prison. Giorgio and Sonny fell out because of Jury Fury. All evidence supports this.

[@ricardotolbert1797]

Yeah I figured that since Giorgio was gone at the end. Question did Sonny Forelli and Ricardo Diaz set Tommy up? Or was it just Sonny and Diaz was collateral?

[@mu11erandr31]

@@ricardotolbert1797 Sonny set Tommy up in 1971 that led to Tommy doing 15 years in prison. Tommy was never 100% sure of this though. So by the events of Vice City, Sonny just wanted to get Tommy out of the way and sent him to Vice City to be useful. Diaz set the drug deal up between Tommy/Harry/Lee and Lance/Victor. Remember, Forelli's contact in VC was Ken. Ken set up that deal with Colonel Cortez, whos right hand man Gonzalez would give info all his drug deals to Diaz (see Farewell to Arms cutscene from Vice City Stories). Diaz interfered on it by sending hitmen to the deal, including Leo Teal, the chef with the cellphone in Back Alley Brawl. Cortez has you kill Gonzalez in Treacherous Swine as he found out Gonzalez has a loose tongue. Diaz gets killed mainly because he kidnapped and tortured Lance, but by that point Tommy and Lance were certain it was Diaz who busted their deal and killed Victor, Harry and Lee so he was probably gonna get it anyway.

[@ricardotolbert1797]

@@mu11erandr31 yeah appreciate I get he harwood butcher stuff…there’s a cutscene where Sonny makes the call to Tommy about the deal. We see a case with the coke and money on the table. Is that the same coke and money that was stolen at the deal bust???? (Sorry bro I was 3 when the game came out.)😂😂

[@mu11erandr31]

@@ricardotolbert1797 man, I'm sure they didn't put the coke there on Sonny's table for no reason, but the story makes no sense if Sonny in Liberty City ended up with the coke from the deal in Vice City, and so quickly too. It would mean the whole story in Vice City makes no sense. So Diaz and Sonny were worked together to set up Tommy? Sonny knows nothing about Vice City apart from Ken, and that his cousin Giorgio goes there now and again. More plausibly (to me) Sonny sent a few 'Tommys' out to buy coke for him and the one in Liberty City was more successful.

[@furqantarique3484]

Good

[@iv9021]

Sonny and Lance after they kill Tommy: Sonny: Well done Lance! Lance: Thank you Sonny! You've done a great favour for me! That guy was an asshole!! Sonny: (Laughs creepily) Yeah sure! Can i ask you something Lance? Lance: Yeah. Sonny: So, you betrayed Tommy because he was treating you bad and didn't give you a "fair slice"? Lance: Yes! That guy was a straight asshole! He treated me worse than shit! Sonny: But he still let you to live, right? Lance: Yeah... Why? Sonny: (Laughs creepily again) Lance, tell me now, do you honestly think that i'm gonna give YOU a part of MY empire? Lance: Yeah... I mean... You're a good guy, aren't you? Definetly better than that asshole! Sonny: You should've thought harder, Lance! (Sonny's goons appear and shoot Lance 15 times in the back, chop his body into pieces, and sell the pieces in the Bitch'n Dog's food factory) Sonny: Ferawell, PEST! Hehehe! Well at least the dogs wouldn't be hungry! This is how i imagine things would have gone if Sonny and Lance had killed Tommy.

[@calangoraivoso9921]

Lol exactly, this is what I imagined too, like hell Sonny would make Lance an associate and give him a share of VC bussiness. Mafia hate traitors, one example is JD who was only alive while he was giving intel to the Leones, then killed straight away after he ran out of use. had Tommy died Lance would've probably been killed after he ran out of utility for the Forelli, which wasn't many so he would've been killed straight away lol (Also from past performance since he cut the deal with Forellis in the beggining of the game they already knew Lance was an idiot and a liability).

[@COYBIG1967]

I want to say well written but then I also worry you were way too in depth with that 🤔🤣

[@calangoraivoso9921]

@@COYBIG1967 yeah lol, I liked the Bitch 'n Dog's food reference tho

[@iv9021]

@@calangoraivoso9921 There are a lot of references here: 1. Yes sure the Bitch 'n Dog's food factory, which in GTA 3 is ran by Marty Chonks (a serial killer who kills people and turns them into a dog food), i thought it would have been better if in 1986 the Forelli's owned the place. 2. Second, the 15 bullets in the back, is a reference to Tommy's 15 years in prison, so with this Sonny probably would have wanted to tell Lance: "Just like i betrayed Tommy for 15 years, you're gonna also get 15 bullets in your body." 3. Third, Lance's body gets chopped into pieces, well i think you already know that this is a reference to Toni Cipriani (also a mobster) butchering Casa's body, and selling it to his own shop, but here Sonny sells it to the Bitch'n Dog's factory, well it would have been funnier if he sold the pieces to Donald Love (who in GTA Liberty City Stories is a cannibal). 4. Sonny's creepy laughs: Well every bad guy has a creepy and evil laugh, i think it would be perfect for Sonny to also have an evil laugh just like he can have a very intimidating angry voice (in his final Phone call to Tommy, where he said: "Where's the goddamned money, where's the goddamned stuff, and where's my cutt from your new action?").

[@axllaw427]

Honestly, this would make a great bad ending for the game

[@bacd-nn2lg]

Sonny Forelli : Obviously you are suffering from hearing problems, so I'll try again. Sonny Forelli : Where's the goddamn money? Where's the goddamn stuff? And where's my cut of your new action? Sonny Forelli : You are making an idiot out of me, Tommy, and I'm not laughing yet.

[@UnicornPizza]

Lmfao, my favorite phone call of the game

[@furqantarique3484]

I wish that was a dialogue

[@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger]

@@furqantarique3484 It is

[@skizzo1881]

Tommy: No reaction.

[@hundkebab2433]

@@skizzo1881 no time for angry lards when you got pizza to deliver for that sweet health boost

[@DB-bq6zc]

Summary: Sonny was too afraid of The prodigy Tommy over succeeding him in gang influence/power that he tried holding Tommy back from his potential.

[@furqantarique3484]

True true

[@Arch.nemesis007]

Made men in mob families are also not allowed to cut and run to start their own empire or retire as they please without permission from their boss. I’m sure tommy knew this and saw sonny coming a mile away partly for that reason.

[@curtisjackson4090]

_They took longer than I expected_

[@99mrpogi]

Tommy could have deliberately started his own empire in an attempt to piss off and eventually have his revenge on sonny forelli

[@gftyhify]

The can however start their own criminal empire or businesses while still working for the mafia that they were originally in. But they must give a cut to the boss. That’s why Sonny says in the phone a call ‘where’s my cut of your new action’

[@99mrpogi]

@@gftyhify and I'm guessing that if an active mafia member started his own criminal empire, then that mafia member's personal goons are members of his mafia as well.. kinda like how sonny forelli wanted tommy vercetti's goons to also be members of the forelli family.. in short, the goons under the authority of an active mafia member is also under the authority of the mafia boss itself

[@gftyhify]

@@99mrpogi I’m not sure where Tommy’s goons would have stood if Sonny has successfully taken over his criminal empire. He might have given them the choice to either work for him or die. But given Sonny’s personality he might have them all clipped just in case they go after him and try and bring down the Forellis

[@Ron_BWL]

Regarding why Tommy didn't just give Sonny the money and the drug back after taking over Diaz's empire: He can't. Literally. Up until that point he's only doing hits that pays a few hundred bucks to a thousand at most, and Diaz only has $50.000 in his safe when Tommy killed him. So technically, he did all of the "business expanding" in order to earn that 3m to give back to Sonny, but of course Sonny's impatience worked in Tommy's favor.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

That's a good point.

[@ATLfan]

RIP Ray Liotta (Tommy) and Tom Sizemore (Sonny). Their voice work made Vice City so awesome.

[@hewhobattles8869]

Sonny and Lance in Vice City, Big Smoke in San Andreas, Salvatore in GTAIII, and Dimitri in GTAIV. One common theme. Betrayal.

[@99mrpogi]

Vincenzo cili in liberty city stories and Catalina in GTA 3

[@Arun-ng8xn]

Even Ryder in San Andreas

[@shaquilleoatmeal3076]

@@Arun-ng8xn but that is not supposed to be a traitor yeah well rockstar games do it

[@arthurmorganhere]

Literally every GTA games has betrayal, and it's like a moral, "don't trust everyone you know".

[@waters228_91]

​@@arthurmorganhereHell even outside of GTA, there's betrayal in almost any game with a story. Bully: Gary Smith The Godfather: Paulie and Monk The Godfather 2: Carmine Scarface: The World Is Yours: George Sheffield Tony Hawk's Underground: Eric Sparrow And the list just goes on.

[@TheStarcoMarco]

If Tommy was born in 1951, then by 2022, he is already aged 71.

[@Kaledrone]

Michael was 21 during the events of Vice City and Trevor 19.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

@@Kaledrone Wasn't Mike born in 1969?

[@99mrpogi]

Tommy was in his mid 30s when vice city took place, and his 40s by the time GTA 3 takes place

[@99mrpogi]

@@Kaledrone yes. though GTA 4 and V are not in the same universe as vice city, vice city stories, San Andreas, liberty city stories and GTA 3

[@TheStarcoMarco]

@@99mrpogi Yes you're correct. Aged 35 in 1986. However, in GTA 3, Aged 50 in 2001.

[@claiminghawk]

The Harwood butcher incident should have been a prologue to Gta vice city but though it does add mystery to the incident similar to the black water heist in rdr2.

[@phantom_xrd]

Considering we got a "Definitive" edition, this, as well as the Brian Johnson incident, should've been included imo.

[@claiminghawk]

@@phantom_xrd true

[@DeadYorick]

It most likely wasn't a prologue since the game was already ambitious as hell and adding part of GTA3's map into GTA Vice City probably wasn't in the cards. GTA Vice City originally started off as an expansion pack for GTA3 and was only made in about a year. By the time of GTA SA they had advanced their engine tech to add instanced areas like interiors and they could add part of Portland in for the one mission where you go back to Liberty City. But even with that they weren't able to complete the mission to the extent they wanted (They originally wanted you to be able to explore the entirety of Portland but they didn't finish it).

[@claiminghawk]

@@DeadYorick I didn't mean back then I meant the definitive edition of the game since they would have the hardware and software to do it.

[@99mrpogi]

If vice city was made with GTA IV graphics, they could have included the Harwood butcher incident as its prologue mission..

[@Earlybird86]

I always got the impression that Tommy wasn’t ambushed by Hitmen, but was sent to take out a rival gang member but given bad intelligence or that Sonny just outright tipped them off

[@DeadYorick]

Manslaughter isn't exactly "killing someone but you didn't plan on doing it". If you kill your wife but it was because you had an argument that's considered second degree murder. A planned out murder is first degree. The main difference between the two typically is that second degree murder doesn't allow for the death penalty and you usually get life in prison. Manslaughter is more "you murdered someone but it was accidental." Like if you hit someone with your car and they die instantly that's considered manslaughter not murder. Murders are often pleaded down to manslaughter in court when you can't prove self defense but you also have evidence the person was fully willing to engage with the conflict and kill. Prosecutors will often also go for manslaughter instead of murder because the burden of proof for manslaughter is typically much lower. It usually results in a lesser sentence closer to 5 years in prison but people often get paroled out in 2-3 years.

[@sman14GTA]

Always felt sorry for Tommy and always saw his rage as justified, all his "friends" screwed him over. Also had his potential limited by these so called friends. He takes over an entire city and its criminal underworld after 15 years incarceration? He always should have been a boss, and he knows it, if only he trusted the right people, and his own value.

[@duplicitouscanadian3073]

Sad thing of the world, the ones who aren't skilled enough get the power, then they bump off the ones who are skilled enough

[@lxFiercexl]

the amount of effort that goes into your videos is crazy keep your grind going great video

[@ShortArmOfGod]

And yet he said a soldier in the mafia is a made man.

[@realmdma]

Great video. Also, as for the length of Tommy’s sentence, it was common in the 70’s-90’s to only have to serve a 1/3 to 1/2 what you’re sentence was. So if Tommy served 15 years, his sentence could’ve been anywhere from 30-45 years.

[@marcio2884]

yeah, killing 11 man and getting "only" 15 years?

[@elmaster48]

I remember reading that according to a interview from one of the houses brothers, tommy and sunny were friends since they were children. So the fact that sunny ended up betraying tommy anyways says everything it must be said about him.

[@Genrevideos]

All the more reason why Vice City is a story about loyalty and friendship. Because if Tommy and Sonny were childhood friends and Sonny had no issues with throwing his childhood buddy under the bus like that, then it’s no wonder!

[@dhwwiiexpert]

“Even trusted friends are capable of betrayal.” - James Bond to Defense Minister Dimitri Mishkin, _GoldenEye 007._

[@justinportillo3996]

He showed the interview in the video?

[@chickencurry420]

The hardest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from the enemy

[@99mrpogi]

@@chickencurry420 lance vance is an example of a friend who betrays you no matter what you do in an effort to maintain his trust

[@arkadiusztrzesniewski4237]

Almost one hour analysis video proves that Tommy Vercetti truly was one well-written character.

[@Buugzy]

Calogero to Sonny: “Is it better to be loved or feared?” Tony Soprano was based on Vincent “Vinny Ocean” Palermo of the Decavalcante Crime Family in New Jersey. Also when Ralph killed Tracy it’s still code of conduct to kill civilians, the same thing happened when the Bath Ave boys killed a civilian… Sonny being greedy and power hungry is also probably a reference to Nicodemo “Little Nicky” Scarfo of the Philly mob, he was the decline of the Philly Mob! He started whacking people out of envy and gluttony; he was even jealous of the Young Executioners Crew leader Salvie Testa because he was nicknamed “The Crowned Prince of the Philadelphia Mob” after Scarfo ordered Salvie killed and after he was killed the Philly Mob went downhill. It’s funny because Salvie Testa was a loyal Capo and hitman to the Philadelphia Crime Family, it jus goes to show that loyalty sometimes means nothing in Organized Crime.

[@Frosty98206]

Survival of the Fittest, Streets Love No One it's Double-Cross& Deception,(Mixed into a Recipe for Chaos) to Pull the wool over enemy eyes & Make them Believe you're their friend before Turning on them.

[@mrmcboomboom]

Nicky Scarfo was the best

[@Buugzy]

@@mrmcboomboom Scarfo was an idiot like no other. It’s why his reign didn’t last long, nor did Gottis

[@superpower21]

Anyone can survive not only the fittest my as crap lol

[@Buugzy]

@@superpower21 amen

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Me: "Why does this dude keep putting out videos that are so long?" TheProfessional: *digs around every nook and cranny, even outside the games for this intel, including things that helped inspire this series, as well as even citing his sources* Me: "Well shit, subscribed."

[@georgesanchez3280]

I think when sonny sended Tommy to hardwood Tommy thought that maybe it's a drug dealer like you said professional but considering that hardwood is leone territory I think sonny told Tommy that he's killing someone form the leones.

[@theprofessional155]

Well in 1998-2001 its Leone territory. You have to remember that the Forellis controlled Saint Marks at this time as well they almost ran all of Portland.

[@georgesanchez3280]

@@theprofessional155 ohh right I forgot also just imagine the saint's Marco bistro is very close to salvatore mansion this means that if sonny wanted he could've wipe out the Leones leader anytime he wanted this probably putted more fuel on salvatore paranoia.

[@averymarshall-weeks8505]

@@georgesanchez3280 true

[@NoName-ng2vd]

@@theprofessional155is there a video about 8-ball(gta |||)

[@jmt0820]

Lance was going to die anyway. Cause if Sonny managed to kill Tommy and take over Vice City, he would have had Lance killed like Salvatore had JD O’Toole killed.

[@TKnHappyNess]

JD was a rat who screwed over the Sindaccos and could easily have also screwed over the Leones somewhere down the line

[@jmt0820]

And Lance was a rat who tried to screw Tommy, but ended up being killed himself. But what if he won?? He was complaining about the way Tommy treated him, and turned on Tommy because of that. If Sonny thought about it a little, he would think Lance is a rat who screwed with Tommy and would do it to him if given the chance.

[@99mrpogi]

Yeah.. because of tradition, like lance has no Italian ancestry, or sonny forelli is thinking that lance may also betray sonny forelli if lance had the opportunity

[@treyn8070]

I can't believe I never noticed the guy on the meat hook in the background of the opening scene until this video. I played VC all the way through 3 different times minus the hidden packages and stunt jumps. I got some of them but I never got all of them but I never noticed the guy on the hook back there. Good video as always professional. You really layed it out well and made a lot of things make a lot more sense to me. Well done man. 👏👏👏👏👏👍

[@mjkiller020]

Pretty sure it's a manhunt guy. Like same outfit and everything

[@UnicornPizza]

@@mjkiller020 yeah, maybe…

[@wusgoodie7498]

Proffesional, I absolutely enjoy the lore videos!

[@theguy318atyomom]

The horse was 100% Ralph’s. Ralph got some tips from Tony on racing the horse and started to tip him. Then Tony being the boss felt entitled to the most of the winning and the horse. Ralph making no money now couldn’t pay the vets when the horse got sick and Tony wasn’t going to pay for it so Ralph cashed out and went for the insurance money. Tony completely broke the omertà over a horse that wasn’t his and regrets it because construction never recovered for them

[@ChillConservative2k15]

The horse was just the final straw, Ralph was basically dead after the Tracy incident.

[@ChillConservative2k15]

And no, since Tony is the boss the horse is his. Regardless Ralph was a deadman

[@IliyanStoychev]

@@ChillConservative2k15 no, man. by that same logic, everyone under the boss us suppossed to surrender everything to them, which is not how it works. the horse wasnt tony and he had no rights over it. ralph was right to kill it off, tony's greed had no satisfaction. not to mention that ralph did good by tony a few times after the tracy incident. also, yeah, the tracy incident was heinous, the disrespect towards the bing was pretty bad, but still, lets not forget that tony hit ralph also, which is strictly forbidden. ralph deserved temporary exile at most for killing tracy, if we judge by mafia rules, he killed an innocent civ, on their own turf. that is that. everything else that the writers got ralph to do like taking a plastic D behind was something to disgust the audience and except his unjust death easily. if we judge tony and ralph by who broke more rules regarding eachother and execute the one who broke more rules, then it would be tony, hands down.

[@patrick_notpakky]

You took 1 hour from me, Pro. And I’m gonna make you pay! Just kidding. An hour of informative and educational lore is worth to watch for an hour.

[@dhwwiiexpert]

No, you’ll pay. (You’re a member, get it?)

[@phantom_xrd]

That hour was his to spend :P

[@curtisjackson4090]

_Get em boys (ads), HE NEVER UNDERSTOOD A THANG_

[@justinportillo3996]

You still don’t get it do ya? I OWN YOU NotPakky. That 1 hour was mine to spend.....

[@kawimason361]

😂🤣💀

[@agentcak]

I've been currently playing GTA Vice City (OG PS2) and after watching your playthrough of the "Devintive Edtion" it really makes me think more of the lore. It makes me fell more of Tommy's anger when you get to the mission "Cap The Collector" When Sonny at the end of the game says "Those `15 years where mine to spend!" That gets me P.O.'d, makes Tommy feel like a freaking slave. Great lore video Pro makes me care about Tommy Vercetti even more, even though he's a convicted psychotic killer and drug dealer.

[@BonoboBerry]

Thank you so much for going through all this stuff and helping us piece everything together. I never really understood the story to all this depth.

[@calangoraivoso9921]

I always tought that Tommy, with his temper, ended up killing a made guy and either the Sindacos or the Sicilians cut out a deal with Sonny, Tommy's live in exchange of not waving an all out war.

[@Aidel1011]

Well, there are newspapers confirming that Tommy killed Danny Sindacco and John Sindacco who are among the eleven men

[@calangoraivoso9921]

@@Aidel1011 For real? Then probably a war with the Sindacos with the aid of the Sicilians was bout to happen and Sonny cut a deal to avoid that, and either Paulie or Johnny Sindacco offered Sonny some of their goons and his other two brothers to go along just to make sure everything was just fine.

[@Aidel1011]

@@calangoraivoso9921 Yep, you catch on really quick. There is another video that perfectly explains this

[@christianlarson2933]

To be honest Pro, you put infinitely more thought into stuff like this than Rockstar ever did.

[@ShortArmOfGod]

And yet he thinks a soldier in the mafia is a made man.

[@MikeJr9284]

If your name is Sonny and you're in an open world crime drama game, chances are you aren't a good guy.

[@SoundWave3214]

Vice City was my first GTA on PS2, looking forward to this lore video :D Playing it at age 12-13 so probably not paying attention to the story itself that much, it's always nice to get lore to understand things.

[@crash4267]

What about GTA 3?

[@oraclejmt]

@@crash4267 What about it? It has always been irrelevant to the series.

[@crash4267]

@@oraclejmt no it's not lol

[@oraclejmt]

@@crash4267 Yes it is. GTA 3 sucked when it came out in 2001. And still sucks.

[@crash4267]

@@oraclejmt No it didn't lol. That is your opinion

[@Jpg01]

You actually should do a video on sopranos. I love your lore videos. You’re very knowledgeable and great at explaining things

[@SupportGamin2024]

It's good that Tommy vercetti finally got his revenge against sonny.

[@gaugemogle0779]

And it had the line"No I just wanted to piss you off before I kill you"

[@Zygothknightlord]

Yeah

[@Zygothknightlord]

@@gaugemogle0779 That is a badass line

[@gaugemogle0779]

@@Zygothknightlord Agreed

[@dennisjohnson1937]

You really do put a lot of work into these lore videos. I really enjoy them, and I can't wait to see more.

[@justsomeguy747]

This was a very good lore video. I think that what sets the line between Tommy and Sonny is that Tommy totally honors the Omerta, and that Tommy isn't as power hungry as Sonny, nor is he manipulative, he just strong arms people sometimes, but he doesn't lie or decieve. Tommy's problem was that he was short sighted, and eventually Earnest himself confirms that. Despite my misgivings on Tommy's character, such as his arrogance and power-dominating personality, he is a far better boss or friend than Sonny. I think that Lance was Tommy's friend, but eventually he lost his mind, and as a result of that became disillusioned with Tommy. Also I think the Forellis figured that Sonny's involvement in the Harwood massacre caused his death, and they probably knew of his part all along, especially his brothers, and very likely Marco, who was his underboss. But out of fear, or because of the fact that they are bound by blood and the Omerta, they never questioned him. Its like you said, if a boss has commited a questionable act, his men would chaiste him for it. and in Sonny's case, his vioalation of the Omerta and betraying Tommy once again by manpulating Lance as well, caused the Forellis' inaction and decline after his death - his legacy was totally tarnished because he broke the Omerta. Sonny is much more complex as an antagonist than initally precieved, but ya have to wonder whether Tommy felt a certain amount of guilt for their ruined friendship and his killing of Sonny.

[@justsomeguy4206]

You make some good points there

[@G4ME_H4CK]

0:44 GTA London characters are actually the oldest but yeah Tommy is the oldest from the 3D universe

[@thatthinginyoureye]

Oh god I never thought about that. Insane to realize the GTA London protagonists were born anywhere between the 1920s-40s

[@AUG_Glow]

Anyday pro makes a lore video is a good day

[@elmojon19]

I would go further and say Sonny and Diaz were business partners. Here is my take on the real reason why Diaz set that meeting Tommy had with Vic up. You see Sonny as you know wanted to get into the drug business and here knows Vice City is a hub for the drug trade. Tommy is sent down there for that purpose but what if Sonny was already doing business with a drug baron like Diaz in the first place. Vic Vance was basically a rival Drug Lord of Diaz just like the Mendez brothers. Who already had history against the Forellis when he interfered in their murder plot against Phil Collins. Sonny already tried to kill Tommy once why not again by taking two birds with one stone. Only Sonny must not have told Diaz what Tommy looks like to prioritize his death in the hit since the assassins killed everyone but him. Sonny perhaps just tipped Diaz off someone important was meeting Vic and Diaz paranoid took the bait. This means Sonny wanted Tommy to die that day but he didn’t so pretended the whole time that just wanted his money back. Think about it how odd Sonny takes so long coming down to get the money owed from Tommy. In my eyes he was hoping Tommy would get so desperate he would make mistakes and get himself killed by the number of people he ended up making enemies like Diaz. I notice Sonny only really makes a move to finally come down and confront Tommy about the money when Diaz dies. He even references him when Tommy takes over his mansion. At first I thought Sonny was pissed that Tommy made name for himself doing that but then I remember. Diaz took the money of course that Tommy was going to give to Vic in exchange for cocaine. What if Diaz never had the chance to meet and give Sonny’s money back? After all not long after the meet Tommy comes in contact with Diaz through his connections Cortez. His dealings with Tommy derailed his dealings with Sonny. With his death later Sonny had to do something to get his money back and kill Tommy once and for all. Queue the ending of Vice City. P.S. This means Lance is really an idiot since he betrayed Tommy to work for the guy who orchestrated his brother’s death and was working with the man who put out the hit.

[@LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04]

Best lore video. The more I looked up at lore videos the more I understand about characters back story and what they do and how the plot of stories happened for a reason. Loving what you doing Professional. Keep it up. 😁

[@franzbernardmercado4459]

Been waiting for this, Pro. Thank you!

[@mfrarsenal]

Absolutely love your lore videos.😍❤️

[@LEEC55555]

Great video as always! Imagine if they made a GTA Vice City where you see what happens in between the missions where Tommy has to earn Rivardo Fiaz’s gang trust

[@kalapani666]

While I agree with the second factor, I think a more probable thing of why tommy would work with sonny is because as just one man, he cannot possibly take out his empire. For this, he needs money and strength. Although the omerta exists, Sonny did technically break it too, tommy also would have had ample time to understand the entirety of the situation in prison. I think he would want to gain the money that sonny was giving him in the first cutscene. He would be better off with some time on his hands, to plan and strategize and get away from the situation. Which he gets in Vice city, the deal going down 'was an unfortunate set of circumstances' but it helped tommy to complete the picture. Hence, he could then stall Sonny enough to build reputation and power until he could 'piss him off before he killed him'

[@yasirkusay1195]

Something that should also be pointed out is that Sonny never met Tommy in person immediately after his release (the phone conversation proves this), further proving your points. Great video, looking forward to the next lore vids.

[@UnicornPizza]

50:19 - you make a very good point that if Lance had spoken to Sonny in that way, he would probably be dead within days, or even the same evening. I've never liked Lance Vance and I think it was from that phone call with Tommy that he decided to join forces with Sonny, or maybe he had already done so for a short time, in my opinion it's either one or the other. By the way, when you played that part, I didn't like the fact that you didn't say anything about that phone call and how Lance dared to talk to Tommy - I don't know how Tommy kept his cool and continued to treat Lance with respect, when Lance didn’t do that at all. He even went so far as to tell him that he could call him out for certain behaviours when he was acting badly - a Mafia boss never did and would never do that! That shows how much Tommy, despite being a criminal, has values and moral principles! And I totally agree that we really don't know what Lance wanted from Sonny when he decided to go into business with him to betray Tommy : if Sonny had killed Tommy during their confrontation at the end of the game, he would have immediately done the same with Lance - it's very silly to think that Sonny would have teamed up with Lance, that he would have shared his business with Lance lol. Sonny just used him, in my opinion, to get to and confront Tommy. Lance is so stupid and obnoxious, I hate him so much. I look forward to your other lore videos, Pro! I hope you haven't forgotten the ones on GTA 4 and GTA 3! Keep up the good work!

[@saadabdullah3225]

My favourite lore video as of yet. Really excited for the character analysis on Claude that's coming up.

[@nuelimmanuel_]

Hope if bully 2 release, Hopkins and every boss clique went to vice city for college. It would be cool if Hopkins meet tommy's son and work together to eradicate bullying.

[@99mrpogi]

Imagine a bully game with driving elements. Like Jim Hopkins takes on driving jobs like a delivery boy, taxi driver or the rockstar equivalent of Uber

[@nuelimmanuel_]

@@99mrpogi Actually in bully alpha version you can use debug mode & there's a feature which jimmy can drive cars, but sadly rockstar remove it in final version.

[@99mrpogi]

@@nuelimmanuel_ well jimmy is 15 years old so it probably made sense that he can't drive yet.. maybe if jimmy Hopkins is the protagonist and at least 18-20 in the sequel, the game may probably feature driving elements. Just hope that Rockstar won't make it too violent in which jimmy can't injure or kill people or even carry guns. The only violations that jimmy is likely to commit include vehicle theft or cutting classes

[@raidisontje3573]

Bully 2 got canceled a couple months ago

[@nuelimmanuel_]

@@99mrpogi you're right, but it would be cool if jimmy could drive a car & also don't let Dr Crabblesnitch know about it

[@migueldenorte]

I want to say one thing about Vice City. Many years ago, when I tried playing Vice City the first time, I thought that it was a kind of a generic mafia game. Since I barely knew any English back then, I had to assume what happened during the cutscenes. So, when I saw the first cutscenes about Tommy's drug deal getting failed by the unexpected ambush and then the phone call between Tommy and Sonny Forelli, I thought that Sonny organized both the drug deal AND the ambush (because I saw the drug packets on Sonny's table and I simply imagined the rest), as if Sonny, pretending to be surprised and angry about the ambush, wanted to extort Tommy more profit. I know what actually happens in the entire story nowadays, but back then I did not really know how the mafia works and the full context of each event in the game.

[@AlexisStreams]

the oldest character in GTA Would be Jon Gravelli (1923) Uncle Leone (1926) Salvatore Leone & Avery Carrington (1935) in terms of protagonist yea i think you're right Tommy Vercetti (1951) is the oldest GTA Protagonist 2 years older than Milica Bellic (1953) Jimmy pegorino (1957)

[@sunlight2104]

I would love to see him playing a underated game called Beatdown: fists of revenge or least talking, every game looks so much cooler when he talks about the lore

[@Kaledrone]

0:44 If you mean oldest by chronological date of birth then all the protagonists from Gta London are definitely older than Tommy, but if you are not counting the 2D games then yeah, Tommy is the oldest by chronological date of birth. But as far as playable oldest character goes, that's Michael. He was 48 when we played as him in 2013.

[@imbored2006]

Micheal could be 45 or 48

[@Kaledrone]

His original grave puts his DOB at 1965, so the way I see it is that the real Michael Townley is 48, but his fake De Santa personality is 45. Which would make the real mike 48.

[@luismayautemalaga1508]

i always thought that Sonny was also responsible in part of the ambush in the begining of the game. i always had the idea that Ricardo Diaz and Sonny had planned the ambush (don't know for sure what could Diaz gain from that, maybe Diaz take the cash and Sonny the drugs? or maybe forming like a partnership so Diaz can make more deals outside of the city?). when Sonny says "if it was anybody else you would be dead already" and "i'm gonna let you handle it", kinda gave the idea that he knew that Tommy would survive the ambush (probably even as part of the plan), kill diaz, take over his bussiness and. That way Sonny doesn´t really "lose" the deal, make Tommy feel responsible for the deal so he can make contacts and gain power in the effort of getting to the "responsible", and finally having an excuse to kill Tommy and at the same time get the empire Tommy was controlling.

[@lefty3985]

Could be.. if you look on the table when Sonny first calls Tommy after Tommy gets robbed there’s bags of cocaine on the table right at the front I think that’s the coke from the botched deal..

[@borico62]

@@lefty3985 Tommy supposedly calls Sonny right after the botched deal. There just isn't enough time for the coke to be sent from Vice City to Liberty City. What's been, a few hours at most?

[@lefty3985]

@@borico62 good point he calls him when he gets back to the hotel doesn’t he

[@luismayautemalaga1508]

@@borico62 well if you see the game hour by the time you start playing the clock says it´s 21:15 (aprox). Assuming the deal ambush was at 21:00, and it usually takes like 1 min (1 in game hour to get to the club) Tommy probably entered the hotel at 22. However after the cutscene when tommy exits it was 08:00 (morning) meaning that tommy spends the night there, so it kinda depends if Tommy called Sonny right after he entered his room or before leaving the hotel (still don't know how much time it could take moving the cargo From Vice to Liberty)

[@leper73]

I just thought of something: maybe Sonny planned to have his other guys, Harry and Lee, kill Tommy after the deal and once they get the coke (like in Goodfellas when Henry was being set up for a proposed deal in Florida). I was initially speculating as to whether those guys were also being set up in this scenario or if they were just collateral damage. Then I thought of another possibility: His two loyal members would have the drugs and could operate directly under Sonny. The deal itself went bad because of Gonzalez. It was established in VCS that he was working with Diaz behind Cortez’ back, and was most likely the one who tipped Diaz off about this deal. Before Harry and Lee can get the drugs and kill Tommy, Diaz’ men, acting on the tip from Gonzalez, ambush the deal, kill Sonny’s goons, and inadvertently save Tommy, who exacts his revenge.

[@timeasperneac4697]

Also Professional I just wanted to mention this but Maria wasent part of the fact that Salvatore Being Paranoid because in the mission Chaperone Salvatore saw that Maria did actually like Claude so I don't think that Maria was part of Salvatores being Paranoid the only thing that made Salvatore Paranoid was the Triads and CJ

[@GINeric_]

Thanks for another great breakdown. Vice city was my favorite ps2 GTA (besides San Andreas). Being from the West Coast, there's something special about the Mafia + Miami imo

[@MrHorrorking13]

I believe Tommy had enough of Sonny and the Family before the events of the game. When Tommy went away for fifteen years, he must have heard from other mafia criminals in prison that the hit was was orchestrated by Sonny and he knew who was going to be there. Tommy would eventually learn that Sonny wanted him dead because he was jealous of Tommy's growing influence in the Family. Yet, Sonny couldn't directly kill Tommy because that will be against the Mafia code. Once Tommy became a powerful player in Vice City, who became more powerful than any Mafia organization or gang. He didn't have to answer to Sonny or his former family.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Tommy's reason for the stay in prison sounds like 1960's mafia story I heard about my one friend's dead grandfather especially if you remember that he had the gun nicknamed The Chicago Typewriter and that number kinda makes since difference between the stories he died in prison didn't get out

[@flamingeel3196]

moral lesson of GTA VC is the final mission title "keep your friends close and enemies closer"

[@lilil-liil-ilili5182]

Tommy and Sonny were never friends Sonny backstabbed Tommy back in 1971 to have him killed by 11 guys in Harwood but Tommy survived the amush and gets arrested by the cops, all because he was set up by Sonny. Sonny let Tommy rot in jail for 15 years. This shows how much why Sonny was never Tommy's friend. Lance on the other hand, he was never Tommy's true friend. Tommy valued much loyalty, trust and friendship to Lance, but Lance didn't valued to Tommy at all. The whole friendship was Tommy and Lance was only one-sided. Tommy met both Vic and Lance, alongside Ken, Harry and Lee. Tommy and Vic did the deal but it was an ambush set up by Sonny and Ricardo Diaz. Vic was killed, Harry and Lee were killed, Tommy, Ken and Lance survived the ambush. Now, you have to remember. The main reason why Vic got killed, because it's wasn't for Sonny or Diaz or Gonzalez. The real reason why Vic got killed is because of his brother Lance. However, Lance met Tommy at an alleyway, because Tommy killed one of the guys who ambushed the deal that Tommy and Vic were doing. Lance saved Tommy from the other goons, and Lance claimed that it was Diaz that ambush the deal. Later on, Diaz betrayed Lance and took him to the junkyard and Kent Paul warned Tommy that Lance is being held and tortured by Diaz's men, Tommy went all the way there, killing Diaz's men and rescues Lance, but Tommy gets Lance that his plan is blown to shit because Lance fucked it up, but Lance claimed to Tommy that Diaz killed Vic, and both Lance and Tommy plans to take down Diaz and take over his criminal empire. With Diaz dead, and his whole criminal empire taken over by Tommy, Tommy becomes the boss of the criminal empire, Lance becomes the underboss. With Lance as the underboss, Lance dosen't do his job, Tommy gets angry with him, why is Lance not doing his job, and also why is he fucking everything up?

[@lilil-liil-ilili5182]

Despite all that, Lance never does everything for the empire, he never sends backup for Tommy whilst Tommy was doing everything to keep his empire protected. Tommy would have everyright to get mad at Lance for not doing his job, he would never betray, hurt or rip off Lance. Tommy kept his word for all that, but Lance on the other hand, he still betrays Tommy and why? It's because of Sonny.

[@lilil-liil-ilili5182]

Vic easily gets mad at his own older brother for fucking everything up, but Lance still ongoes, and Tommy on the other hand, he would easily get angry at Lance same as Vic does, but Tommy chose not too. Tommy had a soft spot for Lance and everyone else around being kind and friendly to him.

[@SupportGamin2024]

You clearly didn't watch the video

[@DeadYorick]

GTA SA the Introduction being missing from the Definitive edition makes sense since it was released after the vanilla game and contains some retcons for some plot holes in GTA SA's story. Like it explains why Ryder chooses to betray Grove Street. It's widely believed that the reason why he does in GTA SA is either due to development constraints or the voice actor leaving (however the VA has disputed this upon being asked, he stated they didn't ask him to do any more voice acting). The Introduction was also not an in-engine cutscene like all of GTA SA's were, it was just a pre-rendered video. And it's presumed Rockstar never kept the development files for it. So it would've been impossible to update its graphics unless they remade it from scratch. And it's largely unnecessary since it mostly just adds context behind some of the characters like why Ken Rosenberg is in San Andreas to begin with or why CJ's mom is killed by the Green Sabre.

[@theinceptor3672]

The reason why there was an intro even made was becuz Ryder wasn't meant to be a betrayer... He's meant to be a *Ken Rosenberg* in GTA San Andreas.... You can watch many videos explaining this topic and tbh I kinda wished it didn't went the way it did..

[@DeadYorick]

@@theinceptor3672 I honestly think the Ryder betrayal was intended just the development of the game was somewhat rushed towards the end and they didn't have time to add stuff in for it. Especially since Ryder's VA said they didn't ask him to do any further voice acting and he willingly came back for The Introduction. (Unlike Ray Liotta who refused and demanded Rockstar pay him more money).

[@brunopinto6830]

Fun fact: Ray Liotta is the voice character of Tommy Vercetti

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Ray Liotta also appeared as himself owning the honey company in _The Bee Movie._ (I ain't kidding)

[@zishan5067]

Ray Liotta just died today..

[@furqantarique3484]

Ray passed away may 2022

[@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I doubt Tommy was just a soldier if Sonny was really worried about Tommy getting too powerful and potentially taking over. He'd probably at least be a capo.

[@Ryman2988]

I love your lore videos. Keep up the good work

[@idolsrule4678]

The irony is that if Sonny wasn’t such a power hungry “wise guy”. Tommy Vercetti would’ve been the perfect man for the “southern expansion” of the Forelli family. In the end the Forellis lost everything due to an incompetent leader. I think Forellis are still around by GTA IV but only as the shell it once was.

[@josephstalin2606]

They were actually just replaced by the “new” families like the Pegorinos and Ancelottis. The forellis are non existent in the hd universe

[@justinportillo3996]

The HD and 3D GTA are in completely different universes

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

i think you mean gta 3. gta 4 is set in a new universe so everything in the first 3 mainline games and its spin offs are non canon to the new one. gta 3 is the end of the original timeline.

[@hmongghoststoriesinthedark]

Thank you for the video your only one that fully explained this story in depth.

[@TheStardustConspiracy]

Such a great video!! Love the lore videos keep it up!

[@Muramasa1794]

Just crazy to think about how the Forelli family was one of the strongest in the 70s and 80s to one of the weakest by the time GTA III came around

[@leper73]

So many of them got killed in short order: Vice City (1984): Sonny killed by Tommy. San Andreas (1992): Marco killed by CJ. Liberty City Stories (1998): Franco killed in Fort Staunton bombing. GTA 3 (2001): Mike killed by Claude; unnamed member in trunk killed by Joey. It’s entirely possible that Georgio was killed in the Marco’s shooting or the Fort Staunton bombing as well.

[@Muramasa1794]

@@leper73 yeah it has been unclear on Georgios fate.

[@anancapcat4221]

@@leper73 Vice City takes place in 1986, Vice City Stories takes place in 1984.

[@NotoriousJohnsonBig]

I really love your lore videos they're very interesting

[@justsomeguy4206]

CJ? Awww my dog!! Wassup?!

[@BigDaddy-vk6rv]

Every lore video is a treat!

[@douglassfunnie9959]

Tommy Vercetti? Shit, I didn't think they'd ever let him out!

[@mannam9468]

He kept his head down, helped people forget.

[@anancapcat4221]

@@mannam9468 Well people will remember soon enough.

[@ElPayasoMalo]

When Sonny says "They'll remember soon enough when they see him walking the street," I interpret that as Tommy has a well-known reputation as a murderer in the area, and it would cause the locals to panic to see him walking free.

[@Mckidproman7]

loved this lore video Tommy was Loyal and a good friend while sonny was a bad friend greedy u name it got what he deseved like the lesson here to who your reals friends

[@amazoncrime8415]

I used to love that line that sonny said "THAT WAS MY MONEY TOMMY MY MONEY" 😂😂

[@nepu1764]

The voice actor who voice as Sonny Forelli in gta has died last year.

[@jugertmucoimaj9017]

This was beautiful. If GTA Games are done with the right graphics and proper stories they are a banger. When you go this deep on story you realize how beautiful it is.

[@Nonhumansam]

Fun fact: Tommy is the 2nd oldest protagonist in the gta franchise, 1st place goes to Victor Vance from Vice City Stories

[@TV-Tony]

Dude these lore videos and your channel rule dude. Keep em coming. Watched the whole thing.

[@artursbode]

Video was too long. Halfway through it, I got hungry so I left it playing and went to the kitchen to fix my self a sandwich. But then I found out that I'm out of mayonnaise so I went to a store. There, I saw the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my whole life. But I'm really a shy person so I took up a three-year personality development course so I can introduce my self. She was very friendly and all, but unfortunately, she has a boyfriend. So I said, all good, I'm a mature person. I want the best for her and I harbor no illusion that I am the best person for her and she seems happy with her boyfriend, so I did not bother her anymore. But we kept in touch and we became friends and I got over my crush on her. Then she broke up with her boyfriend, we drank some alcohol because of it, I told her she'll be fine and I wished her well. I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world, but like I said, I am over my crush on her. It was like five years already when I first saw her. Besides, I am quite happy with the friendship I developed with her. It was more important than a crush. So we kept hanging out, drinking, having coffee, and all. I had a girlfriend, she started dating other guys. My girlfriend wants to live some other life without me in it, so I said, okay, I want the best for you and I want you to pursue your happiness. My lady friend and I drank alcohol about it, and she gave me the same advice I gave her when she was in that position and I became okay with the breakup immediately. But we were really drunk, so she spent the night in my apartment. I only have one bed, so you know what that means: She took the bed and I slept on the couch. But on the couch, I really can't sleep. Something was bothering me. So I tossed and turned for about three hours, then I finally can't take it anymore, I stood up and went straight to my room where she's sleeping. I approached the bed, gently sat on it and I reached for her shoulder to pull her closer to me. She stirred and woke up. She asked what's up. I told her, you know, the first time I saw you, I was watching a video and left it playing to get my self a sandwich then went to the store to get some mayo then I got distracted by life that I forgot to finish the video. She said, you know what, I've been wondering about a weird noise in your night drawer. So we opened that drawer, and lo and behold, there's my phone and this video still has two minutes of play time on it.

[@TheMasterNathan25]

Well done really appreciate how much time put into your videos.

[@G-MoneyBags]

If Tommy called Sonny after overthrowing Diaz, Sonny would probably try to kill him.

[@Nayops24]

1:25 ^ Man I love these uploads and the appreciation it goes along with👏🏼

[@sanastinlevi3468]

Sonny being hungry for power is that same attitude what made the Forellis the most powerful family within Liberty City. The other members of the Forelli family probably did not have that attitude and which made them less powerful.

[@akibro113]

Best birthday gift.Thank you Professional🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

[@WetNuudle]

Yes!! Never played the 3D games so these lore videos help me understand the 3D universe fully. At least until I find a way to play the original games. At first I was interested in the "Defective Edition" but we all know how that release went.

[@DocVolteer]

Well I do suggest to get a Emulator or navigated the seven sea for the PC port

[@lordeddy05]

Defective edition is actually good now

[@alessandrodeangelis9029]

The one you don't want to play from the "Defective edition" is Gta San Andreas because it's still full of bugs or things not done properly. III & Vice City are still good, there are just a few things to fix but nothing too bad. Try those two because San Andreas is just like Cyberpunk 2077 right now.

[@sylviatheeevee879]

@@lordeddy05 But its still defective

[@DocVolteer]

@@lordeddy05 Still look horrid mods do better job then that

[@Embrod]

I like those in-depth videos, about what's going behind the scenes propably. Especially when you add some trivia, from TV series, films, other games.

[@Skully399-z6e]

The Cubans are also helping Tommy in the Print Works You can see one Cuban gangster in Cap The Collector

[@AugustV3ryOwn]

Tommy getting in Sonny's face and telling him "I just wanted to piss you off before I kill you" is one of the coldest lines in GTA history imo

[@FiskBlackwolfsoilder]

Something I like to point out when you were talking about the show. The boss actually did had full right to kill that guy cause he kept disrespecting the boss, my grandfather knew guys from the mob and they said even though your making money, if your disrespecting the boss openly and to his face, your a dead man walking. Doesn't matter if he was a made man or not, you never disrespect a boss in any family even your own.

[@dreademperor2094]

I know that you shouldn't disrespect the boss but I didn't know that you could get killed for it, although I probably should've guess that was the case

[@retroroy8720]

I think Sonny Forelli had the whole thing planned out perfectly. He probably secretly cut a deal with Diaz to where if the deal went down as intended, Forelli would be in a very strong position but if Diaz sabotaged the deal, Forelli would presumably be rid of Tommy and still gotten a cut of the action. Note when Tommy calls Sonny after getting back from the deal, Sonny has a lot of money and coke on the table already. He kept the pressure on Tommy because he got greedy, wanting to get more power in Vice City and still get rid of Tommy, and that ultimately backfired on him.

[@some_Russian_dude]

I never noticed in the scene at 10:58 there is a human corpse in the meat locker behind sonny.

[@FiscoInferno]

Bro I'm Italian, the term "omertà" is not something like a mafia's code, it's basically about "not snitching".