Slavoj Zizek - 'Joker' movie analysis (PART 1)

[@iwouldprefernotto49]

If you want to get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt you can do so here: i-would-prefer-not-to.com

[@nyarm1852]

"I'm the joker of Philosophy" oh boy here we go.

[@DioDidNothingWrong-w1q]

He is right though.

[@marcosfelipe8811]

Thats rough buddy

[@handyalley2350]

"Am i not the joker of philosophy?" He's saying what others might be saying, and ironically. With a distance

[@compookiie]

"IM DA JOKA BABY" -Zizek

[@Meowth666]

Turns out Zizek lives in a society and so on.

[@SGLopez-ui3ps]

even when i can't see him i can just sense him tugging his shirt

[@Skizze37]

Slavoj's flat affect and tone, verbal and physical tics, and heightened-cognition lead me to believe that he is extremely high-functioning

[@LikeYayHigh]

"..'Dark Knight rises again' or whatever, which I quite liked because its.. you know.. a couple of weeks *chuckle* of dictatorship of proletariat in New York" 😆

[@bnlang898]

Zizek is hilarious

[@thefrantasticmissfine]

Zizek: Critique of the Gotham Program

[@tamanwar203]

Underrated joke

[@Mekaniac]

The Batman-Joker dialectic and the occluded Other. Commissioner Gordon: Neoliberalism's caretaker. Harley Quinn's Love of the Void. It's too easy. Batman mythos are so wild and have so many character archetypes, relationships/rivalries, and the canon is huge.

[@JoeSims1776]

Lmao

[@rameuplatonov6221]

@@Mekaniac yeah considering his statement about the similarity between hugo chavez with fidel castro. Which chavez is castro but using money. But lets be clear, batman is in no way havin revolutionary thinking, beset on movie

[@cheminem]

i remember slavoj saying in that VICE interview how he hates talking and prefers writing, lmao best lie ever this guy never stops

[@KnozD]

Here he's reading what he wrote, so...

[@massimosilvi9067]

@@KnozD where can i find this written?

[@KnozD]

​@@massimosilvi9067 In his notebooks

[@daggertheswagger1118]

@@KnozD thanks

[@Lambda_Ovine]

And he says he's banned from publishing on the Anglo world. Which is funny, when you consider that English speaking nations are biggest boasters of freedom of speech and promoters of the free market of ideas or whatever.

[@yumallah]

Nobody: Subtitles: *Dutch (auto-generated)*

[@thaliagarcia9684]

Noooooooooooooooo... 😮😪

[@FratFerno]

Netherlands have the great socialist program of "KZbin Translations For All".

[@MrTrenchcoatguy]

It's not a language, it's a disease of the gums.

[@gijsbrans2338]

It's even more funny when you're Dutch, the sentences it produces are hilarious!

[@MEneifal]

hahaha

[@kareena6155]

Ah, one thing about Joker is that the structural problems which are shown in the society, are overshadowed by that fact that Arthur has psychological problems, which makes the audience focuse more on individual and his misfortune, than on problemtic society as a whole.

[@florianberki7396]

Yes, but! It's because of the fact that people are unable to see the hole picture broadly... That's why philosophy is so important!

[@lm1383]

His psychological problems are societally conditioned in the first place, and whats more, conditioned by an entitled, ruthless capitalist.

[@Distimmer]

Which is totally necessary, to break through to the 'target' audience of lost men.

[@bartholomewsober3594]

@@lm1383 the fuck you on about? Psychological problems are all social constructs, because its only a problem if society disapproves.

[@aguspuig6615]

personally how i interpreted, the jokers mental problems were more to make the movie realistic, few people would do what the joker does in the movie just from societal problems, just because people wiht a ''normal'' enough life are way less likely to throw that away, but deep down everyone has had that monent of thinking, fuck, this person in particular embodies all that is bad, i wouldnt mind them having a huge misfortune. ofc 99,999% of us dont just go ahead and kill that person the next day, but everyone has thought about something like that. The joker is just a character with the same inner thoughts as us but with just that extra bit of instability that makes him slip and do the things everyone has thought of doing at some point

[@shantanusingh5320]

Zizek is a total mad lad

[@rmcewan10]

What symbol is your profile pic

[@rhizomefriend]

@@rmcewan10 No cages, no gods, no masters - it's an Anarchist symbol.

[@rmcewan10]

@@rhizomefriend aw right cool. I've certainly heard the phrase no gods, no masters, but I'll be sure to add the cages to it as well. I'm a relatively new comrade so I'm still learning the symbols that people use.

[@rhizomefriend]

@@rmcewan10 The same phrase is used in the "three arrows" symbol, symbolising anti-religion, anti-state and anti-communist. I'd advise not to get too caught up in the symbols, and categorisation. It's interesting, but it's more important to listen to what the person is saying, be critical, and apply that to the real world with an open mind. I think a lot of the online categorisation misses that point a little.

[@rmcewan10]

Oscar Fitzpatrick yeah man definitely. I actually started off as a heavy duty neoliberal (honestly practically a right libertarian) and thought I’d read Marx and Kropotkin to fight the commies better. There are some books that just move you into a completely different chamber of existence, and Marx was my guy in that regard. Actually related to the video - watching Joker as a liberal and rewatching it (or bits of it) after having read some Marx and surfed Breadtube are two completely different experiences. I really get what Zizek means when he talks about the lens of ideology.

[@xx-fw1ej]

there is a wonderful detail in the film，the joker with all his make-up was chased by the police，in order to get rid of them the joke took a joker mask from a stranger，then after he get rid of the police he took the mask off. this is the moment，he took off the joker mask but under that mask（with his joker make-up ）he is still the joker. a fully identified mask，the joker is the REAL him.

[@dorobo81]

Zizek would agree :)

[@The80sWolf_]

Say what you want about the movie quality and portayal. I actually think Jared Leto Joker in Suicide Squad said it best. "I am a idea" That fit's the Joker movie also. The "Joker" could be anyone, the "Joker movement" gathering around him as symbol/idea.

[@sinane.y]

From an interview Zizek gave to the guardian or some shit : What would be your fancy dress costume of choice? A mask of myself on my face, so people would think I am not myself but someone pretending to be me.

[@jaycup4176]

@@The80sWolf_ i didn't like letos but i hear ya, he also said " i am not to be love" thoe everyone knows that.

[@LikeYayHigh]

Is it really? you said yourself "with his joker make-up". Throughout the movie he's slowly building up his new persona as the Joker we know.

[@isaiahfreeman]

Zizek film review + background paper shuffle ASMR

[@juliustanael1589]

“Fillum”

[@snigdhajyotidas3057]

Interesting to note that whenever Zizek quotes someone his pitch drops but when he is giving his own opinion, voicing his own thoughts, his pitch raises and the endings of his sentences become more open and question-like...it's an interesting vocalization pattern

[@iojgoro]

It's a very minor observation, but a cool one still. Thanks, man.

[@Bertalan022]

It's fairly common in East Europe and comes most likely from German "vorlesung" tradition.

[@josephcoyote8224]

Listening to this while naked in the woods

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

Nice

[@samuelbekele3601]

NICE

[@attilaattila7051]

me too

[@erniebuchinski3614]

If you're here in Finland, I hope that you put plenty of mosquito repellant on.

[@yumallah]

Nice.

[@ΠαύλοςΚ-θ9ζ]

When I watched that filem I came here and heard Zizek analyzing that filem and then I said "Got, what a brilliant filem I just watched" snifff sniff

[@JamesBradlee1]

Συμπατριώτης

[@farrider3339]

Me wiLL definitely apply his saying of the word : *fill'em* 😍 Assimilation is aLL .•°

[@lxpwsk139]

Even if you think Slavoy has already exposed all his intellectual capacity, he tends to surprise and branches out into all sorts of areas in everyday life - I would love to hear his take on the Barbie doll, Pokemon and the Teletubbies....from a "Stalinist perspective" of course.

[@Shushubearwhoo]

Thank lawd for Zizek. This film is like a foil to a film like Good Will Hunting. Poor guy from bad background, abused as kid. Matt Damon finds solidarity in a therapist and then chases after a middle class girl. He is 'redeemed', from his low status. In the Joker, he finds no solidarity other than in destruction. He cannot be redeemed. Which one is more honest eh?

[@WASEE627]

I don't see how any one of these is more honest than the other. Some find solace in therapy and lead normal lives, some find solace in violence. Whichever one is more frequent isn't that important; one shows hope for people from abusive and underprivileged backgrounds, the other is a cautionary tale as to what abuse can turn a person into.

[@Shushubearwhoo]

@@WASEE627 No problem with therapy and having hope for ones life ect.(Zizek himself had psychoanalysis) Point is more how something like psychiatry can be incorporated into an ideological narrative. The Joker is at least more honest for our contemporary situation (Trumpism ect.), in that the opportunities for many people especially from poor backgrounds is not great, especially after ten years of post 08 crash austerity. Rather than depict somebody integrating into society despite all obstacles, the Joker is more honest in that it says back 'why would you even want to?'. Afterall, we hardly have the most inspiring set of world leaders and social elite today. I think it's more fitting in that the kind of anger that is common today is more a rejection of dominant values rather than a frustration or resentment that one can't share in them

[@idiomaxiom]

Of the lowest quintile in US incomes a third will be in the top quintile after 25 years. Only 1% of the population starts in the lowest quintile and stays there for 25 years. So both happen.

[@drageben145]

I love that he jokingly calls himself a stalinist

[@cwilliams6884]

tens of millions of dead is just a big funny joke

[@drageben145]

@Someone Andnoone oh

[@fatherofbirds]

P A Just out of curiosity did you put Kirby as your profile picture before or after you visited those graves? 😏

[@googleacount3611]

It really is funny when people fall for it lmao

[@placer7412]

@spud lord from wiki article - Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#Soviet_famine_of_1932-1933 Event Est. number of deaths References Dekulakization 530,000-600,000 [74] Great Purge 777,975-1,200,000 [8][44] Gulag 1,500,000-1,713,000 [14][21] Soviet deportations 450,000-566,000 [75][76] Katyn massacre 22,000 [77] Holodomor 2,500,000-4,000,000 [78] Kazakh famine of 1932-33 1,450,000 [79] Total ~7,230,000-9,551,000 So that's according to wikipedia - however if you google it you will get answers as high as 20 million from some other sources, I'm not really sure personally. It was a lot of people though.

[@jmdr7522]

lmao the thumbnail made me laugh out loud

[@adrianaslund8605]

I actually think people do identify with the Joker. They see him as a greatly amplified and theatrical version of the misery and alienation alot of people are going through. You don't have to identify completely with someone to identify with them.

[@berserk6855]

Cancer media:"This movie is so violent the joker wannabes will make a shooting spree in cinemas" same Cancer media:"Omg Jhon Wick movie is so good!"

[@bettosanchez1909]

The joker wannabes only dance

[@BuGGyBoBerl]

you cherrypick stuff to make a point and to generalize afterwards. very nice

[@80yr0ldhands]

@@BuGGyBoBerl That is exactly what happened

[@HeelPower200]

Cancer media also gave the movie Oscars and enough trophies to clog landfill sites. Stop trying to champion this as some underdog movie.

[@daggertheswagger1118]

@@HeelPower200 after their attempts to cancel it backfired.

[@caradeculo3511]

Upload the second part,we want more Slavoj "Joker" Zizek.

[@farrider3339]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX61g61_fp6Zmas

[@lemartin93]

Joker offered a good but incomplete perspective of the horrors of capitalism, which of course it is not its main focus, what I liked about it was that it offers the point of view of an individual who is victim of this system and his struggle, but it was a bit romanticised. Parasite did a much better job of explaining structural problems and inequality without fetichising the poor. I liked both but I think the movie to really analyse is Parasite, which also was a much better film in the artistic sense.

[@lemartin93]

slothkingn1 Absolutely agreed, Joker does a fantastic job in making light of mental health problems and demistifying common prejudices most people have about it. I was focusing more on the societal side on a macro level.

[@goldeeswagga]

I think the reason why Joker makes for such an interesting analysis is that far, far more people saw it, and will see it, than will ever watch Parasite.

[@jaycup4176]

@slothkingn1 Damn when he tells randall " im not suppose to have a gun" wow!!!

[@sid0100]

Golda M how does popularity make the analysis more interesting?

[@norm-bb3bb]

I disagree about Parasite. It's not a superior film.

[@musicloverkathy]

OMG! I had no idea he's been banned from all print media . His work has given me so much happiness .

[@cemcelik4388]

actually is a hegelian analysis. In his Phenomenology of Spirit he defines comedy as the immediate identification of the actor (Religion as a form of art and its spiritual dimensions) with the mask in opposite to tragedy where there is a intervall between the actor and the character he or she is playing

[@perplexed843]

i actually felt bad when he said big media only invites him to ridicule him

[@axekicker78]

Funny, I knew this movie would blow his mind

[@marshmelows]

"I'm totally prohibited from printed media literally, I'm not kidding" These are the type of philosopher you might wanna listen to

[@Varlwyll]

"Conservatives worried that this movie would incite viewers to acts of violence" Who exactly does he define as "conservative"

[@bobotten9085]

Fox News etc.

[@jjgoldstein7]

@@bobotten9085 "and so on and so on."

[@zin-ew9li]

@@bobotten9085 fox news didnt say it would incite viewers to commit acts of violence... im pretty sure it was actually CNN who implied that it would...

[@holymolydudeoli]

I think it's less about the orientation of who is making the analysis, and more like it is a conservative thought process that leads to imagining the film would incite violence

[@jjgoldstein7]

@@holymolydudeoli i think that's true, ppl with a conservative world view, often rooted in Judeo-Christian orthodoxy will point to media like movies (quite famously music) and video games as the cause or impetus for violence and will often state explicitly that "the Devil is working through..." rather than take an honest look at social ills for their cause & even then will still blame a lack of prayer in school for the problems in society. It's a superficial, immature & ultimately morally bankrupt view.

[@mihavatovec5472]

The interpretation of Titanic: The are my stocks having a great time,beat the rich man an all in once sink down to the botom of ocean

[@f.urrinston2784]

It's outrageous he is prohibited from publishing printed writings. That says a lot about goverments

[@f.urrinston2784]

@Sean Kurtz still no reason for prohibition, or... hanging

[@The80sWolf_]

He should talk about man of steel and batman v superman. Talk about the politics in them, symbolism, how the media portrays the super heroes in them, the heroes journey, libertarian like influences. The question about how god figures would act when they have all the power, but that they are not forced to. The backlash from idealistic comic book fans that are stuck in escapism etc. The general population I guess sees these as: "Superman fights and break things, Batman fighting, things go boom"

[@LarryHazard]

That movie is all over the place thematically and is just a really bad movie, doesn't matter if it's an adaptation

[@The80sWolf_]

@@LarryHazard No

[@LarryHazard]

@@The80sWolf_ have you ever seen a good movie What are some of the best movies you've seen

[@The80sWolf_]

​@@LarryHazard You don't think I have seen good movies because I like a movie that you don't? Alien, Full Metal Jacket, Hunger, Requiem for a dream, The Devils, Terminator 1-2, Jurassic Park, Akira, Bang Bang youre dead, original Star Wars trilogy, 2001, Thin Red line, Silence of the lamb, Interstellar, Seven etc etc etc

[@Stret173]

that "mn-pha-ha" at 0:21 is magical

[@benisturning30]

Where’s part 2?

[@florianberki7396]

Exactly!

[@reeyees50]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX61g61_fp6Zmas around 47 mins

[@benisturning30]

reeyees50 thanks

[@HeavyTOVids]

Yes there is a sense in which as the wealthy say "we are the only option for your happiness" everything is getting worse on the ground for people.

[@jordanbrown5435]

Soiboi

[@brucewayne6996]

Nice description of the United States.

[@farrider3339]

@@brucewayne6996 : it's the same aLL over the entire 🌏. You can chose any country on the globe - arbitrary. Everyboddy is waiting for the crumbs They drop .•°

[@dorobo81]

Part two NOW!!

[@kokomanation]

I think the most important description is that even more than poverty social isolation is self destructive and is getting more and more common in Gotham but also in the real world and this has deep psychological effects

[@danielrc14]

I'm glad he actually saw the movie and isn't just talking out of his ass.

[@dumbforester]

When I was watchin Joker for the first time, I was finally coming to terms with my crush banging another time and my tooth was aching like hell. Good times, perfect timing

[@Danny71891]

Why was your tooth aching?

[@dumbforester]

@@Danny71891 Well I though that it's finally a goner, but it turned to be "just" a broken plomb

[@DaviAreias]

I read Freud saying more than once that tooth aches are often l related to castration anxiety. So your crush probably looks like your mother and you were subconsciously castrating yourself.

[@dumbforester]

@@DaviAreias that's weird how he got that connection (and all others), but in my case it fits quite well

[@lawrence2992]

“My crush banging another time”... what?

[@theelectricant98]

Rosemary's Baby is the best example of a social film combined with a horror film! all of the psychological horror comes from living in a deeply sexist society where the wife is gaslit despite being right about what was happening to her and has no bodily autonomy, the husband justifies being shitty to their wives and not spending time with them on being the breadwinner (hell the husband justifies marital rape and using his wife's body as a vessel for the devil to advance his acting career), the horror of realizing that traditional christian moral values are failing you but also feeling like you have nothing to turn to once you reject them etc

[@farrider3339]

well said - me wonder why Zizek nOt bash † or any other religion more specifically and directly for the misery these deeply rooted "ever since doctrines" bring over mankind .•°

[@theelectricant98]

@@farrider3339 I think that kind of critique is subtly built into his Freudian/Lacanian framework. He's deeply concerned with the antagonism that exists between individual desires and societal/cultural order

[@farrider3339]

@@theelectricant98 : okayO , so be it . Maybe me will stumble across that in some lectures yet to be found around here ~ somewhere. Me nO friend of cokee Freud and his (also religiously coloured 🎨) works. Zizek is maybe worth listening on that. Got a link ? 😍 👋.•°

[@LARPANET_3087]

Zizek must have a really hard time not touching his face right now.

[@headphonejack6831]

Society

[@TheSkeletonjelly]

bottom text

[@gestaltengine6369]

Deep #deep

[@berdankarabacak5633]

and it's spook

[@Superknullisch]

Would love to hear Slavoj thoughts on El hoyo!

[@GustavoCardoso95]

fuck me I laUGHED so hard at the image

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I love the way he pronounced "film".

[@Dayglodaydreams]

My autism (and probable OCD) make me post comments walls. Sorry. (I love some of what you did about Greta Thunberg).

[@gggrow]

@@Dayglodaydreams filum

[@TheOneArmadillo]

Most everybody unconsciously identifies with the main character of any movie. We identify with every character, the very substance of our identities is constant comparison with other identities. And the main characters are obviously the one/ones around whom the movie centers around, as our lives center around us OR SO WE THINK, simply because of our bodies with sensory organs and the lump of brain that does constant processing.... The fear of actual violence only proves the unfunny reality of how the life of the Joker in hopefully some single way resembles our own lives, but the whole ambiance of the capitalist society in MANY ways resembling of what is actually, really, going on around.

[@uriel578]

Please, adding the option of auto-generated English captions would be very appreciated. Thank you for all the interesting content.

[@adammorvant]

For the love of God add subtitles.

[@NovemberTheHacker]

Idiot

that "hah" at 6:47

[@77Jabbawockeez]

This is this the joker for Pattinson's Batman

[@lm1383]

A truly morally conflicted batman. Would be interesting to see.

[@77Jabbawockeez]

i meant Slavoj Joker

[@ThoughtGaze]

@@lm1383 it's already been done.

[@The80sWolf_]

@@lm1383 " A truly morally conflicted batman. Would be interesting to see. " kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWa3pIqObJVlnNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3vJXoqvdruNnsU kzbin.info/www/bejne/bprbknikj62nfpo kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooHGapWAp9dggaM kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5fYk5aQlrpkn9U kzbin.info/www/bejne/gabaf5ubmZmCmLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3XWh4dtnb2ga5Y kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3XWh4dtnb2ga5Y

[@JAMAICADOCK]

The sad thing, or maybe the joke is - today's state of the nation movies are depicted vis comic book characters. A Taxi Driver or King of Comedy just wouldn't get made today - too painful by half. I mean there are no shortage of horrors to depict from reality without going through the prism of fantasy . But maybe that's the point, reality has become so horrific, that we only dare glimpse it via fantasy. As some parallel world we can view safely from a distance. A nightmare we can push out of conscious awareness But this kind of abstraction is nothing new, just as Film Noir and Fifties sci-fi were really about the horror of WW2 and the paranoia of the early Cold War, so Joker abstracts the horrors of the Vegas spree killer, the rise of Trump and the Alt Right, Incels, Opiode addiction, the murder of black people by trigger happy cops etc etc etc. One may ask, where are all the films about those horrors???

[@Varlwyll]

The horror of incels? The horror of dudes who cant get laid?

[@zin-ew9li]

Joker had nothing to do with inceldom or being alt right lmao, and barely anything to do with black people getting shot by cops. what the fuck are u on?

[@JAMAICADOCK]

@@zin-ew9li No, but it's about social alienation, about a dystopian society, wherein malcontents turn to nihilistic terrorism. I suggest it reflects the state of US society. But where are the films about incels, trigger happy cops, spree killers etc etc. Instead we get the Joker/ America's horror show processed through a comic book. Unlike the 70s when movies like Taxi Driver were being made

[@zin-ew9li]

@@JAMAICADOCK i see

[@The80sWolf_]

@@zin-ew9li The Joker movie is full of that stuff.

[@nukepizzaa]

Respect for being non alcoholic

[@nicknewaccount7536]

damn i didnt know ai could replicate the sniffing lmao

[@stoneylonesome4062]

I wanna get Slavoj’s take on Harvey Weinstein.

[@bruteparrot]

What does that have to do with philosophy or anthropology analysis through movies? (After I wrote this I realized that you must be an 18-year-old American social studies snowflake complaining about Zizek making rape jokes. If that is the case, I’m so sorry that your feelings were offended, I do hope you will grow out of that crappy shell morality).

[@stoneylonesome4062]

Brute Parrot Nothing at all - I’d just be interested to see his take.

[@mator2339]

@@stoneylonesome4062 on what exactly ? He did give his take on the Metoo movement.

[@stoneylonesome4062]

Brute Parrot Dude I assure you I’m not a snowflake neither am I offended by his Rape jokes. I thought they were fucking hilarious, actually. I’m just curious on his take about the Weinstein case specifically. And I never noticed that he commented on MeToo

[@definitelynotofficial7350]

I assume it's just "he's a creepy fuck"? Is there something more to say about Weinstein?

[@Alex-hu5eg]

Civilized man forgot the fool hundreds of years ago. only remembers him by hearing its echoes from the collective unconscious. In mass societies, where individuals became masses, the archetype of the joker manifests itself, the pattern (which is the archetype is) now basically fits on a single individual in its purest form. Don't argue about who was the hunter and who was the hunted. Society or Joker. Like two faces of the same coin They are not separable. You can sure do it hypothetically , ends up in a chicken/egg dilemma. The movie really nailed it , got everyone's attention in some way or another. We all felt both sides. Remembering times when we walked over the weak and poo, knowing that someone needed for help. And also being the fool. Everyone's know Arhur well. We are very much like him. All of us.

[@mauer594]

Took me several minutes for me to realize he's saying film, not phylum.

[@bret6484]

I also don't drink alcohol, but for no moral reason. Glad were on the same page, Zizek.

[@bardofhighrenown]

We philosophize in a society

[@yasserahmed8036]

Zizek would be a great name for a batman villain.

[@CaptainPrincess]

I mean theyve already got victor zazz so that slot might be taken, atleast in terms of cool z names

[@yasserahmed8036]

@@CaptainPrincess Yeah I thought the same thing, could work like Zsasz's brother or something. "The Z twin.."

[@CaptainPrincess]

@@yasserahmed8036 it cooouuuld work... but idk if it would work WELL and idk if itd elevate zazz up past his kinda pitiful spot in the gallery honestly

[@gnpolec]

Anyone waiting fot his comment on Joker 2?

[@humanafterallTF2]

I wonder if Zizek has read the kiling joke etcetera etcetera corner stones of popular comics? Has he analysed Alan Moores writings? Genuinly curious about that since movies usually dumb down a lot of story elements.

[@ПетрГрачев-ч9к]

Someone should collect all the languages that youtube subtitles algorithm recognizes as non-English in Slavoj Zizek speaking videos, here we have Dutch.

[@asdfasdf3989]

How does Zizek define "conservative"?

[@inkarn8915]

Asdf Asdf as the word is defined.

[@asdfasdf3989]

@@inkarn8915 ...Which is?? Lol.

[@NoName-qi7vx]

@@asdfasdf3989 Somebody who wants to preserve old or even current values instead of being progressive.

[@asdfasdf3989]

@@NoName-qi7vx Ahh, yeah, I think I've heard that before.

[@lostsoul2184]

Thank you :) glad he changed his mind

[@somedudeok1451]

I think it's interesting that after Occupy Wallstreet Zizek pointed out that the left criticises the right systems, but has no clear vision of what it wants to build instead. Back then he concluded that we should not just act, but instead think about how we act and then act thoughtfully. Today, with this Joker review, he says that a Joker who would at the end take a step back and think about what he wants to build, would be boring. I agree it would be a boring ending. But I like "boring". I think boring people and boring societies are good. It is the impulsive, poorly controlled people and societies that are the ones that will hurt and kill you and do horrible things on a grand scale. Yes, a boring life & boring society is a kind of death, both individually and also in a historical sense. We must not stop changing. But excitement is overrated and a kind of false prophet. Excitement promises a good time, or at least an end of a bad time. But more often than not it just makes things worse from an objective point of view.

[@darthrevan3342]

Joker show us a chalenge : HOW THE FUCK DO WE ORGANIZE THIS MESS INTO A FUCKING REVOLUTION????

[@mehradebrahimi869]

P2?

[@mustacheman4476]

This guy has echo built into his voice

[@denzelmorales8823]

I can't tell the difference between his sniffs and his scribbling.

[@Xenocristo]

The first steps of the reading are spot on and the best way to frame the movie inmanently: Late stage capitalism's shortcomings are becoming obviously unbearable - the dialectic of the system's dehumanizing functioning and people's inability to assert their worth and the worth of those around them - this is a recipe for the rise of fascists. Leftists may want the movie to show ordinary people organizing... Ok, the thing is that the movie is not stating that those people are not hanging around Gotham trying to bring about change - the movie is talking about the people who will rally around a leader like Joker: a nihilist that panders to their feelings of anger, frustration and failure. People who feel victims (probably rightly so) and will use those feelings to rationalize any crime they commit. Of course he's not going to adress problems in an objective way or build a community or collective with a coherent view of society. He doesn't even need to advocate for the destruction of society because, in some sense, its rot makes that event inevitable. So yeah it's up to us to channel that suffering away from that nihilism. And that's where I can't agree with the need to arrive to a point of total nihilism or despair. I don't think we have to go through that hell. I mean, its appearance through art is one thing, but as a real historical possibility (whether through a chaotic social breakdown or the rise of fascism) we should also avoid that level zero to go further. Specially because that level could probably lead us to a worse restoration. Do we need a radical change? Yes. Could that be message of the movie, an opposition to the idea that the liberal democratic order is enough? I feel that way and many people do - I would argue that those who see the movie as a call to bring some kind of welfare to USA are very deluded (about the movie and their country). But the clearest message is to listen closely to the way leaders appeal to the feelings of the masses, because under our current conditions nihilists could be able to gather enough followers to become a threat to everyone even when no real political goals are set, even when their leaders promise nothing but the loving approval of their lust for blood. I think that the movie is great even if some people root for Joker all the way to the end. It sad to know that some people in our a society feel fantasize with hurting or killing other but that's not the movies fault - it's the fault of our cruel society and the inability of some individuals to be critical with those urges. The movie has no power to put those urges in people's mind nor to remove them either. Some critics seem to forget this, which seems very unprofessional and makes them look like amateurs with zero media literacy...

[@leonardoasho]

Where can i find part 2 ?

[@farrider3339]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX61g61_fp6Zmas

[@alexandernipracs6292]

To do Ž and ž on Windows: Ž = Alt + 0142 ║ ž = Alt + 0158

[@enjoy_free_kill8405]

Or change the keyboard language

[@inkarn8915]

Great channel.

[@fhhfhdfdhhdhhdfhdf138]

13:07 to save ur own ass lol

[@Dayglodaydreams]

Someone released this on May Day.

[@unchatmagnifique]

I had to listen FILEM 4 times to understand that he means film.

[@Varlwyll]

I had to read this comment to understand that's what he means.

[@unchatmagnifique]

@@Varlwyll 😂

[@simonspell3435]

Where is part 2?

[@winterh46334]

we live in a schoschiety and so on

[@geraldoc4760]

I need part 2

[@farrider3339]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX61g61_fp6Zmas

[@frxnlab]

'Conservatives feared the movie would lead to violence' What? No. What are you talking about? The outrage was entirely on the left.

[@Stret173]

i want a "epistemological presupposition" tatoo on a spermatozoid

[@MrTrenchcoatguy]

Shouldn't the beard be green to?

[@user-vz1ik4ov6h]

first impression 0:00 - 0:05

[@halilzelenka5813]

Based and red-pilled analysis

[@quadpad_music]

And so-onciety I'll see myself out.

[@89ji76]

where part 2 at tho

[@farrider3339]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX61g61_fp6Zmas

[@benimagine1377]

1:28 the irony.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

Polish Publishers won't touch him?!

[@Gooberpatrol66]

Zizek has been jokerfied

[@-Gorbi-]

Why did you release part 1 and not part 2? Unnecessary fucking cliff hanger

[@anuradhahazarika5090]

The thumbnail is ridiculous! 😂🤣

[@fminter]

joker is a luddite movie?

[@pseudaeles]

is it nihilism or nihilism

[@Mahaveez]

I actually identified a bit with Arthur Fleck. I laughed out loud genuinely at the most insane/rebellious murder scenes. Being brought to the brink of personal disaster by nothing but circumstance and a greedy heartless employer is all it took for me to share that thread in common. How did that other Joker describe it? "Just a little push"?

[@ham.ster1997]

the subtitles are 🇳🇱 man

[@erikvandenberg6990]

Nederlanders zijn al slecht in grammatica. Laat staan google translate

[@aguspuig6615]

zizek for no reason sometimes *becomes stalinist*

[@michakilijanek7437]

1:20 ANYBODY PLS EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS MAN CAN'T PUBLISH???

[@akashp01]

For his stance on the immigration situation. Watch some of his video where he talks about them to see his difference with the "modern left" as he calls them, i guess perhaps.

[@jonathandanielgarciauribe3443]

Alguien puede traducirlo...?

[@uhhitsnacho9673]

great

[@natasaerman5849]

Arthur excludes the Big Other. It's a discourse of a psychotic.