Therapist Reacts to HERCULES

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

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[@caoimhepeac1266]

please please please an episode of Nobody Wants This, I thinks it's perfect to be analyzed by a therapist

[@SuperLifestream]

KiwiCo is an American company. And as a New Zealander its not even a thing here

[@DonovanBeveridge5875]

🎥🎥🎥🎥Hey Allen and Johnathan You Should Do The Another Disney Hit Tarzan 🎥🎥🎥🎥🎥

[@generaljimmies3429]

Idea: Video Game Therapy It follows pretty much the same structure you've been following with movies. And video games take a lot of their cues from movies. Here's a potential start: Undertale

[@widowgirl1254]

Do an episode on Penelope on the Penelope (2008) movie

[@rebecky5ever]

two things 90s Disney movies are going to have: 1. love and be yourself just as you are 2. A killer soundtrack

[@Darkloid21]

Not really. Lion king was more about Silva taking the role he was meant for. Little mermaid wouldn’t have happened hadn’t she turned human. It’s not about that.

[@trinaq]

Agreed, 90's Disney animations are classics, and don't talk down to their audience.

[@AbMaSync]

​@@Darkloid21 Partially, kinda? The lion king teaches you to be kinder to yourself but also take accountability (in order to fulfill your role, yes) And while it didn't develop at all, The little mermaid could've explored how to be kinder to yourself by being kinder to others. Remember, it didn't start with Ariel turning human, it started with King Triton being biased against humans and losing his temper very easily.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@Darkloid21so the killer soundtrack part is still true and I don’t think you really contradicted the whole “be yourself” thing like with the little mermaid I don’t think Ariel’s personality ever really changed if anything she can be herself more as a human than as a mermaid and Simba was basically escaping who he’s meant to be until he returned home

[@Darkloid21]

@@noorbohamad5796 That’s the not be yourself. Disney alternates from following your destiny to forging your own path. It’s not consistent.

[@Tempossum]

One of the most key things that shows who Herc is, is during Zero to Hero. There's a clip that, with all the money he earned, he set his adoptive parents up for LIFE. Got them a mansion and land. At that point Herc knows Zeus is his father, that he's essentially a demi-god and renowned all over Greece, but he never did forget where he came from and who his parents and family is. He loves them, and that little touch is one of my favourite things about his character and this movie.

[@obiwanpez]

(Would have been nice of him to upgrade the forum, though… just saying…) ;)

[@stainlesssteelfox1]

I have to wonder just how practical that gold plated chariot was, but yes, that was truly heartwarming.

[@rgbcgroup]

Even in the Disney TV servries, his adoptive parents often play an important role when guiding him through life. I am also a big fan of this little touch up, where the move and the series show that Herc still sees them as mom and pop after learning he is practically above humans.

[@PayaWhip]

Something that also makes this movie great is Meg’s lesson that love can still find you again after hurt, if you keep your heart open

[@trinaq]

Agreed, she learns to see that Hercules is not made from the same cloth as her ex, and won't burn her like he did.

[@korganrocks3995]

Is she the first Disney "princess" with an ex?

[@MYSTERIOUS-r9n]

Well, yes.

[@Internatube]

Well she's hot as shit so it's easy

[@rafaelaveralugo7626]

@@lilunette9319 Don't worry. In cannon Greek Mythology, she's technically a princess.

[@ChloeCrismon]

8:47 “It’s 100% vibes. It’s 95% vibes. It’s 80% vibes.” -Allan the longer he stares at Meg

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@ChloeCrismon It's still all vibes, it's just her hips become more and more distracting

[@korganrocks3995]

@@hawkticus_history_corner Meg's mouth may lie, but her hips don't!

[@alicemakarevich6762]

This was hilarious 😂

[@TCt83067695]

8:38*

[@gmmartines7331]

Which would make it not all vibes. ​@@hawkticus_history_corner

[@tjnguyen8546]

The choice to make the Muses a gospel choir was absolutely brilliant, and I will forever love this movie for it ❤

[@clawrunner]

the movie is great, but the muses will forever be my favorite part

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

It's so great!!

[@madeleinereads]

I also love that they put the Muses in as a Gosepl group. The Muses were the inspirational goddesses of stories, the arts, and the sciences. They were proclaimers of heroes. Although, why are there only 5 Muses in this movie? Lol. There were 9 Muses.

[@angelaaniol2353]

Another fun fact is in traditional Greek plays, there would be a choir that would come in and sing a recap of what was happening in the story between acts, so by including the muses choir, it makes the format for the story more historically accurate. In fact, I'd argue it's one of the only things in this movie that is historical ly accurate!

[@AuDHD_Mom]

​@@madeleinereads I do wish Disney had had all 9!

[@amentlik]

@8:45 the second she said "I'm a damsel, I'm in distress, I can handle this. Have a nice day!" He was a goner. I don't blame him, best vibes of any Disney princess

[@Asharra12]

Agreed! Hercules was my favourite movie as a kid, and Meg was always inspiring to me, and I mimicked her something tragic.

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

Ironically, despite the fact that she's based on a princess, that never comes up in the film. You would think that Disney would jump to capitalize on that. Side note, the people of Thebes seem very chill about the fact that one of their princesses spends so much time just hanging out in the city.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@EpicNerdsWithCamerasShe’s a Princess in the myth but I don’t think she’s one in the movie

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

@@matityaloran9157 Sure, I just meant that it would have made sense if she had been.

[@leaf8781]

I was also indeed a goner, my knees also buckle for meg 😭 I get such bi panic with her on screen

[@dkamikazechicken6077]

This movie is why I checked out a bunch of mythology books from the library as a kid. It was quite the surprise. " ZEUS, NO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"

[@websdaspider8811]

Lmfao

[@ZombieMinion1992]

Literally everyone all the time. That’s what he’s doing.

[@marinacosta8835]

This movie's greatest crime is painting Hades as a bad guy and Zeus as a good dad and husband 😂

[@emilymartin5418]

@@marinacosta8835 May I recommend the excellent game Stray Gods? Great soundtrack, great exploration of the Greek gods as people.

[@Laura-pk2fd]

😅 too true

[@littleravendesigns5587]

Anyone else notice that Herc’s cape is the Shawl that his adopted mom gave him for his travels? Such a sweet guy!

[@Arosukir6]

I didn't!! Oh my goodness, so sweet! 😭😭😍😍

[@theresaginn8505]

Just like Superman's cape is his baby blanket.

[@bluejeanmermaid5879]

Huh, good observation.

[@theodoro3188]

I love that this version of Hercules is portrayed as a socially awkward, and a not so smart but pure of heart guy that is opposite of your average gym jock bully - an accusation of how the people would think of him at first glance. His adoptive parents raised him and gave him a personality of what a hero should be

[@TheShockVox]

Basically Superman, and that rocks

[@faith-by-faith]

we love a himbo

[@demontorch]

Kinda like Peter Parker lol, which is ironic considering Teen Herc is voiced by Josh Keaton

[@sirilluminarthevaliant2895]

Also in the old myth he accidentally kills alot of people. He is quite clumsy (especially with women that are close to him) yeah megs doomed.

[@SilverionX]

@@sirilluminarthevaliant2895 I mean in the old myth there's so much fucked up shit going on, it reads like an instruction manual to war crimes. I think these are different universes.

[@WorkingonTwos]

7:13 "He got what he wanted." *my mind finishing the lyric* "but you lost what you had." Can we get a full cinema therapy for Princess of the Frog on want vs. need? I love how Tiana and Naveen both complement each other's character growth. Naveen learning the feeling of accomplishment of doing the work yourself and Tiana remembering that love and fun and friends are what our hard work is there to support.

[@paulaqueirosz]

Up!

[@dariap3779]

I loooove Princess and the Frog! Favorite princess movie! I would love to see an episode on it :D

[@morganditty7802]

Best Disney film ever! Untouchable soundtrack paired with a timeless message about introspection and chasing your dreams!

[@melodi2036]

I listen to the soundtrack and watch the movie relatively often I think, but I just heard that lyric the last time (last week maybe?) It sounds like Mama Odie which is interesting bc the theory that she's his mom

[@rissa7059]

Yessss!

[@nathaliagreen1013]

Its funny growing up watching this as a kid, you connect and sympathize with Hercules. As an adult, you come to understand Meg more.

[@MaryKath-h]

That’s beautiful. For me I understand both and think of Meg as a hero as well she sacrificed herself and was not offered Immortality as well like 😅

[@cmsully1]

​@@MaryKath-h Kid me was SO UPSET at Meg not becoming a Goddess with Hercules because SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF, TOO.

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@cmsully1 Standard nepotism.

[@MaryKath-h]

@@cmsully1 exactly!!!like what ?!😭

[@Internatube]

She became a goddess in the book sequel

[@trinaq]

"My friends call me Meg, if I had any friends." Poor Meg, you can easily understand why she's so detached and aloof, since her boyfriend's betrayal has made her distrustful of others. Luckily, she learns to let Hercules in, and sees that he's genuine.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like Meg's character. She went from using Hercules so that she could free her soul... to caring for Hercules and risking her life to save him.

[@princessangel821]

And it comes full circle when he risks everything to get her soul back 🥹

[@franchescairby4834]

Meg has always been my favorite Disney princess.

[@Koopalingfan]

I agree. Meg is my favorite character. Hadas being the second favorite. Hadas is one of my favorite villains. I also like how she worked for Hadas not because she was evil, but because she was forced too and she was just bitter and depressed about her boyfriend dumping her. Which is how she can be relatable.

[@Lulu_Loves_Sheep]

The picture of Hades sitting angrily on the therapy couch while listening to you lecture him was funny to look at😂

[@kaylahensley1581]

The funniest bit is that of all the Greek gods in mythology is is probably the most well adjusted with the most stable marriage (Persephone’s kidnapping notwithstanding).

[@jacthing1]

​@@kaylahensley1581 And to be entirely fair. It wasn't a kidnapping technically. It was an arranged marriage that Zeus had agreed to and told Hades to go take her.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@jacthing1unfortunately Persephone’s mother didn’t exactly seem very happy during Persephone’s absence/s

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@jacthing1apparently some comments seem hellbent on making out Hades to be some faultless blameless Angel or something with Zeus being made out to be the total polar opposite of Hades

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like how Hercules' character development. He went from thinking that getting famous would welcome him to Mount Olympus--to turning it down when he realizes people on Earth need him.

[@girlfullofsorrow]

Who cares about awful humans? I would choose olymp👽💘😍❤🙈

[@WisenedMan]

​@girlfullofsorrow You wouldn't say that about real mythology Olympus. They were just as awful if not more.

[@obiwanpez]

@girlfullofsorrow - And this is why you can never be a Bodhisattva

[@Koopalingfan]

Agree. It’s like how it’s not I saved others and I’m famous so I will be awarded. Instead it like Zeus said it’s the strength of there heart and also to not expect an award in return. Honestly one of the cleverest movies ever made.

[@darkecofreak23]

Susan Egan is THE choice for Meg. You literally couldn’t find anyone better to embody Rosalind Russell-ness of Meg. “Well, you know how men are. They think ‘no’ means ‘yes’ and ‘get lost’ means ‘take me, I’m yours’.” That’s the most His Girl Friday vibe I’d ever seen in my life when I first saw this.

[@gabrielr7511]

I recently stumbled on the Broadway version of Beauty and the Beast where Susan Egan plays Belle. It's really good. I really like the whole album, but if I were to recommend one song, it would be "Home"

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

I would love to see a proper Villain Therapy about Hades someday. It was touched on a little bit in the episode, but his position is one which a lot of people can relate to. He's the eldest son in his family, yet he's estranged from his siblings. He has a career which he doesn't enjoy, and he's quite literally going to be doing it for eternity. He's bitter, detached, lives alone with his dog, and the only people who regularly interact with him are those who are forced to. This version of him doesn't even have Persephone around to support him, which I'm convinced is why he spiraled into Disney villain status, unlike his more well-adjusted mythological counterpart.

[@aurorafauna4195]

Eldest, got eaten and still got the shit end of the stick

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@aurorafauna4195sounds somewhat relatable somehow maybe because I’m the eldest myself but I just have only younger sisters that I don’t talk to anymore they just plain suck

[@margaretschaufele6502]

I don't know if he hated his job in the original myths. He is portrayed as the most responsible of his brothers and his job keeps him busy and he just doesn't have time for Zeus's BS, so that's why he doesn't visit Olympus that much and he has a loving and loyal relationship with his wife. There are several parts of the underworld in Greek mythology, ranging from great to fine to terrible, reserved for punishment. While I enjoy this movie and really appreciate the Greek inspiration they used, especially the art style, they definitely used the Christian version of hell for the Underworld and equated Hades with Satan.

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

@@margaretschaufele6502 Oh for sure. I was referring more to the film version, where Hades' personality and motivations are quite different from what we see in mythology. The "historical" version of Hades seems to have very few grudges, enjoys his work, and has a pretty good relationship with his family. Except maybe Demeter. And Zeus when he's being...well, Zeus.

[@occasionalart]

I love that final theory, I would have loved to see Disney go for that angle rather than the "he's evil because he's basically just Greek Satan" vibes he gives off

[@aceofaces0007]

@11:00 To answer Jon's question regarding Hades' motivations in this movie, he is extremely resentful of Zeus for putting him in charge of the underworld while all the other gods lounge about on Mount Olympus. This is established in the opening scene when Hercules is born. Hades feels that he's the only one doing actual work, while all the other gods reap all the benefits of their high and mighty positions. Hades' desire to conquer Mount Olympus stems from a desire for power, probably from feeling disrespected by Zeus and being regarded as an outcast by the other Olympians (which is a common interpretation of Hades in Hollywood). The anger Hades has towards Hercules is based upon the knowledge from a prophecy that Hercules will be the one to foil his ambitions. To Hades, Hercules is just a stubborn obstacle that is frustrating to him.

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

While I do love the Disney version of Hades, it's a bit sad to me that they turned him from the fair, level-headed ruler of the underworld who actually enjoys his job into a bitter, power-seeking villain. I guess the world wasn't ready for Hera as the villain, so Disney went with the easiest target.

[@and0210]

If you think about it, it could also contrast with Hercules’s own desire to feel like he fits in. He also came from a feeling of isolation, but unlike Hades, he becomes a good and sweet person, full of love. A true Hero

[@noorbohamad5796]

⁠@@EpicNerdsWithCameras Hera would’ve been the easiest target for the misogynistic and/or the sexist so thank you Disney

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@EpicNerdsWithCamerasthe world’s been “ready for” misogynistic sexism since like forever why shouldn’t anybody dare to reject victimizing then demonizing women? even Disney sorta still did just that to Meg

[@occasionalart]

@@noorbohamad5796 I mean I think they still could've absolutely had Hera as the villain without delving into sexism, I mean just look at all the other villainous women Disney has put to film without being sexist. Painting Hades as a Satan analogue just continues to perpetuate misinformation regarding his character. And I'd argue the better way to combat sexism is to put more important female characters into the movie who aren't just the love interest. Imagine if Athena for example played a bigger role and got to serve as a reminder to Herc that there are people on Olympus other than his father who appreciates him.

[@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874]

Fun fact: Susan Egan, the voice of Meg, was the first person to play Belle in Beauty and the Beast on Broadway.

[@tulpenvoormij98]

She also voices Rose Quartz on Steven Universe

[@whotheheckcares]

She's so great. I love her song about being a parent - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHzHfX2lZ8RpnrMsi=HHYNkAlHsaCxOYcQ

[@paulaqueirosz]

Yes! ❤

[@Caterfree10]

@@tulpenvoormij98yup, Meg was my reference point for Rose’s VA for a while. Now I rewatch Hercules and can hear bits of Rose in there instead lol.

[@speedracer2008]

In fact, her role as Belle almost prevented her from voicing Meg in the first place. John Musker and Ron Clements just couldn’t buy that she could voice that kind of character, but she insisted on auditioning for the role of Meg and she got her wish. To their credit, John Musker and Ron Clements have admitted that they were foolish to think she couldn’t pull it off.

[@the_marjorie]

@14:55 “I want to be like everybody else.” “You wanted to be petty and dishonest?” Can we pause to appreciate that Meg line? It’s so raw and on point. Love that. Of course, Hercules in his innocence takes it a different direction and is super kind, but it really is a great line.

[@aaronthomson3639]

THIS will always be the perfect Superman movie. Despite it being a Greek Mythology adaptation toned down for family friendly audiences, everything about this movie has Superman's origin, character and supporting cast down pat.

[@spicymemes7458]

Hercules was an initial inspiration for Superman back in the 30s

[@aaronthomson3639]

@@spicymemes7458 Oh. That explains a lot of things actually.

[@RhysKSmith02]

Another good Superman movie is the Iron Giant

[@ericb.4313]

​@@spicymemes7458 A few things changed here and there, definitely with 110% less zoophilia than the original myth of Hercules/Heracles.

[@crowbirdy]

Definitely. The only things that are actually myth accurate are that he was a greek hero, son of Zeus, killed a bunch of monsters (which he originally did as a penance when Hera drove him crazy making him kill Meg & their children) and he liked a girl named Meg. So they literally had to pull the story from somewhere else and superman is a great story just slot new names on characters

[@aimeeb.5683]

As someone in the boxing community, Philoctetes is such a realistic character! Many coaches put in outrageous hours of energy and struggle to find fighters who have all the talent and also “go the distance” (aka championship level). Giving Phil that jaded boxing coach energy in this film created such a great subplot. Hercules wasn’t trying to save Phil, but restored his hope just with his pure sincerity.

[@THExMRxLOKKI]

“To be a true hero kid it’s a dying art Like painting a masterpiece It’s a work of heart.” Hits hard errytime 😭

[@MomsAgainstCatboys]

Meg is one of the most-if not THE most underrated Disney movie heroines. Some peopople don’t like him because she deceived the hero, but it was so much more complex than that. She even tried to stop because she didn’t want to hurt him. And she realized that by deciving him, she was already hurting herself. Her actions came from a place of trauma and from a place of learning, but she still had a lot to learn.

[@Asharra12]

Additionally, she also had some limited choices because of the fact that Hades pwned her soul. She was between a rock and a hard place and eventually choose to sacrifice herself for Hercules, but anyone could be forgiven for taking some time to come to that decision when the person who owns your soul is demanding you do something under threat of severe punishment

[@Koopalingfan]

Totally agree.

[@tjnguyen8546]

LOVING the reference to Treasure Planet, btw. It is always and forever one of my favorites.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Hopefully you saw our episode on Treasure Planet. It's an emotional one! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIe3l56Mg7d2o5I

[@tjnguyen8546]

@@CinemaTherapyShow I did, and it was seriously the best part of my day that day! Thank you for all of your reviews and analyses, they're great :)

[@MysticPaladin]

I think Treasure Planet is kind of unique among Hero's journeys, especially for Disney, considering that the "Greatness within you" speech came from the villain of the movie.

[@danthaman8216]

This episode just keeps reminding of the quote. “Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.”

[@matityaloran9157]

C.S. Lewis

[@Mr.B_science]

No, G.K. Chesterton.

[@devingendron2287]

8:17 Favorite fun facts: Canonically from the tv tie in cartoon, Herc and Meg's first date was going to see Oedipus the King. Herc reacting in horror and Meg covering her face with a look of visible disdain/embarassment...which is even funnier knowing that in the mythology Jocasta was her *aunt* and Oedipus her cousin (and, being as this is Oedipus the king, also her uncle by marriage).

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

Wow

[@caitlinbarbour6598]

"That's it! I'm moving to Sparta!" is one of my favorite one-off lines of all time. And it's massively under appreciated. Thank you for using it as a sign-off!!!

[@dogoku]

I am Greek and this movie is my Disney guilty pleasure. Hercules is such an underrated movie. Phil is one of De Vito's best roles. Hade's design is so original and inspired. Meg is such a sassy lass but has such a tender hearth underneath! And most of all, and I can't stress this enough, the music is fantastic!

[@paulaqueirosz]

How's is the movie seen in Greece?? Do people find it fun or offensive?

[@dogoku]

@@paulaqueirosz a lot of people hated it because it's not following "canon" mythology and it's teaching foreigners the wrong stories, e.g the fact that Hades is a villain or that Hercules is the son of both Zeus and Hera (in case you didn't know, Zeus slept around, A LOT). But for some people that are able to look past the superiority complex we have by the brainwashing from school, they can appreciate the artistry of this movie. There's so much to love about this movie. The "greek" art style (e.g the ⚡ shape), the amazing soundtrack, the crazy amount of modern day references (u notice a lot more as an adult), the love story, the true hero journey, Danny De Vito, the pay off at the end ("That's Phil's boy", tears me up every time). It truly is a one of a kind movie and whoever can't see that because they can't see past their own biases and complexes, I feel sorry for them...

[@Ellert00]

@@dogoku The first scene in the movie is supposed to address this. The overly serious narrator at the start with the muses coming in and going "You're making this sound like some Greek tragedy! We'll take it from here darling." but so many people who rail against this movie seem to miss that this is supposed to be the muses spruced up version of the story.

[@yaboofernoodle]

The sheer amount of nightmares I have thinking about Herc swimming to get Meg from the river, slowly aging as the fates stretch his string....Vivid, even all these years later

[@Laura-pk2fd]

Mine is Ursula and her poor unfortunate souls 😅

[@obiwanpez]

You never forget your first tentacle. … … … what?

[@yaboofernoodle]

@@Laura-pk2fd Another one that lives in my nightmares!

[@BabayagaAckerman29]

My mom used to say that I was exactly like Hades. The sense of humor, the sarcasm and all that, but now that you guys mentioned his anger issues I have to admit that I got those to. That's why I've been in therapy since I was 17. Now I'm 29. I love this movie and it brings so much good memories. Thank you, guys.

[@TheAzulmagia]

I like how the plot of Disney's Hercules is low-key "What if Zeus didn't feel the need to stick himself into everything that moved?" and everyone (except Hades) being all the happier for it.

[@carmiesinagra8968]

this made me cackle thank you

[@melaniesimkins4154]

The "We dance, we kiss, we schmooze, we carry on, we go home happy. What do you say?" is one of my favorite lines in a kids movie. Its on a mug at my desk in a consulting company

[@MrMordo85]

Can we also talk about how unlike every "wanting song" before Hercules is basically "I want something to change but I want it to fall in my lap" Where as Hercule's "wanting song" is "I'm going to work for what i want regardless of how hard that might be"

[@AquaLantern]

He and Tiana would be great friends!

[@christinavernon2277]

@@AquaLantern definitely! Both work hard towards their goals

[@jacthing1]

​@@AquaLanternJust keep her out of Zeus's sight.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@jacthing1the Greek mythology Zeus from basically a totally different separate perhaps far worse world

[@obiwanpez]

24:05 - Jim Cummings is a true hero of Disney movies: from being Jeremy Irons’s stand-in for the last verse of “Be Prepared” to the Captain of the Guard in Aladdin, to the “I’m moving to Sparta” man AND the horse-monster in Hercules. Anytime you need voices? Jim’s your man.

[@matityaloran9157]

He also played Kaa in The Jungle Book 2

[@gallaghergirl121]

And he also voices Winnie the Pooh!

[@IKilledEarl]

...And Winnie the Pooh, the Tasmanian Devil, Darkwing Duck, a ton of characters in TaleSpin, Tiny Toon Adventures, Powerpuff Girls, CatDog, and Animaniacs, Ed from the Lion King, and Rasputin from Anastasia. Dude is like, my whole childhood. I had no idea!

[@Boundwithflame23]

@@gallaghergirl121And Tigger too 😊

[@tasnica2438]

And Minsc and Boo!

[@blakewalters6855]

23:51 hits me like a truck... in the feels. The scene of him bringing her up as the hero's journey and for love, and what Cinema Therapy said right then and there.

[@sona5704]

I've always loved the literal glow up Hercules has at the end. Shows the true hero, willing to risk it all for those that don't deserve grace. The true hero gives it anyway.

[@PrincessMeggala0913]

As someone whose name is “Meg” I am very very attached to this movie 😂 I actually got to meet Susan Eagan (voice of Meg!) a few times and she was sooooooo happy to meet someone named Meg! ❤ I love her. I grew up with a little brother who was obsessed with this movie too. He had a little costume of Herc that he’d wear EVERY DAY. He even wore the costume to bed 😂 We love Hercules ❤

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Out of all the songs in this movie, "Go the Distance" will always be my all time favorite! Roger Bart's vocals are absolutely phenomenal and from what I've seen in live performances of the song in recent years, His voice has barely changed at all. I mean I know the lyrics for the song are cheesy, But the meaning is pretty good. Because for a lot of people trying to fit in and finding a place where they belong can be hard and sometimes you have to go very far to find what you're looking for. And for those of us in the world who have dreams, A lot of times it's up to us to "go the distance" to make them happen. Just like Hercules had accomplished his dream of becoming a true hero and rejoined the gods.

[@LaLayla99]

Voiceplay does a great acapella cover of that song.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

@@LaLayla99 I know right, It's one of my favorite covers! Next to Lucas Grabeel's cover of the song that is.

[@Bleuryder]

The spanish version of that song is done by Ricky Martin (Hercules himself too) and he blasts that song into the stratosphere with how amazing he sings it. I'm not bashing the English version, I'm just saying that the spanish dub is also good.

[@JediAcolyte94]

The song is also excellently sung by Fujii Fumiya in Japanese and Michael Bolton for the radio version.

[@Bleuryder]

@JediAcolyte94 yes!! I've heard those too!

[@Scienceguy721]

Wanna know something funny? When Bruce Timm was trying to come up with Superman's design for the "Superman: The Animated Series" he took inspiration from the "The Mighty Hercules" a cartoon from the 60s. It's sort of fascinating seeing these two characters influence each other.

[@CynderSpirit]

Not to mention Hercules is in DC comics, he is literally Wonder Woman's half brother.

[@morganrobinson8042]

@@CynderSpirit Hercules, being in the public domain, is also in Marvel. And much more active there, all told. Lotta teams.

[@zigzackb2036]

I love the art style on this movie, it's like the art on old greek paintings and vases just leaped to the screen.

[@sonyavaldez7605]

I just get so teary eyed when I hear at the end, for a true hero isn't measured by the size of his strength but by the strength of his heart

[@haydendegrow945]

Hercules is easily one of my favourite Disney movies EVER. Hercules gives us one of the most inspirational quotes from any disney movie, and is, in my opinion, the DEFINITIVE Disney Hero story. It's not about how big the hero is and how he "saved the day", but about WHY he saved the day. Plus it has my favourite Disney villain AND it introduced to me the legends and stories that have now become my religion. Hercules, you truly are a god!

[@trinaq]

Please do a Villain Therapy episode on Hades. He's one of the more complex Disney villains, with James Woods citing Hades as his favourite character to play to date. He's jumped at the chance to reprise the role in other Disney property, namely House of Mouse and the Animated series.

[@idk-something-clever]

I think you mean Hades

[@idk-something-clever]

And yes, I agree, please 🥺

[@JessAnderson1988]

Yes Hades for villain therapy! There will never be a better Hades than James Woods' portrayal.

[@msmelissxo33]

As an autistic person who was only diagnosed as an adult... I really identified with Hercules feeling of not belonging and I always thought there was just something wrong with me, never knowing it was that I was neurologically different to those around me... I still cry to his song "Go the Distance" cause honestly there's still this nagging feeling in my inner child that I just wanna belong somewhere... Someone? Doesn't have to be grand just... Home...

[@fordwel5]

Do you need someone to chat with? I'm not trained professionally, but if you need a shoulder to cry on, let me know.

[@msmelissxo33]

@@fordwel5 much appreciated but thankfully in Canada we have healthcare and due to my severe anxiety and depression from years of being undiagnosed I now have two therapists one I go to in person and one over the phone. But I greatly appreciate your offer, I just like to share these feelings cause it helps me and others who feel similarly know that we're not alone. Plus with no father figure of my own with my father not contacting me in years... I feel safe coming here with my feelings cause the creators and editors of this channel have made me feel cared for and heard a handful of times and I care for them deeply even though I know I'll never meet them.

[@gatorssbm]

I mean to be fair like they said its a basic psychological need, even as an adult I felt this for the longest time even if I couldnt put my finger on what exactly it was. But once you figure it out it really does make a lot of things snap into place.

[@fordwel5]

@msmelissxo33 yea, it's a good channel for that. And sounds good. I actually need to get a diagnosis myself, since I have a lot communication problems and often feel like a fish out of water, even among friends, family, coworkers, peers, etc.

[@amentlik]

@15:00 can we talk about Tate Donovan's vocal performance?? Because I had never heard a cartoon character stutter and say "uhh" before, unless we're talking Porky Pig. It humanized him so effectively that to this day, at 40! I think about how approachable and likeable Hercules is, and relevant to this story, how correct a decision the movie made to have him stay mortal. I don't usually watch these videos for the filmmaking part (sorry, Alan! I still love your commentary!) but man, the vocal performances were so on point!! You've already mentioned Meg and Phil, I'm sure James Woods needs no introduction, Tate Donovan is majorly underrated in this performance.

[@ascellaplays]

A note I'd like to add, any journey you take to recover or better yourself, that's a hero's journey too. Which may be why people respond so strongly to those journey's we see on screen, because it's that feeling of being found, seen, and triumphant. The scores always help, but it's those little moments of self reflection and wondering if there's something bigger for you out there that speak to me.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

I agree, I know a lot of people hate the "vanilla white bread" hero archetype but I love it and I love the "Hero's Journey" plotline

[@jordanwhite8718]

The more I study a lot of media the more I realize that people don’t actually hate the white red vanilla hero. They hate when the white bread vanilla hero is terribly written.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

@@jordanwhite8718 I've heard a lot of people say that the "vanilla white bread hero" is normally boring & has no personality even though they are some of the most likable characters, they include characters like Mario, Link, Superman, Captain America etc ..

[@jordanwhite8718]

@@CrazyGamerDragon64 Yeah the truth is I don’t get why people view vanilla is boring. It’s a flavor that’s good on its own but it’s also good mix with other flavors and it’s the same with those type of heroes. You can easily have a typical hero that has character flaws like John McLean, or Batman.

[@pathora4484]

The reason Hades sounds like a sleazy talent agent is because James Woods based his performance of Hades on I believe his at the time or previous Hollywood agents.

[@hannahgreenwell3929]

I had the honor of performing at Carnegie Hall while in high-school for our spring ensemble concert. Our final piece was' I could go the distance' paired with a wonderful and highly talented singer. Every time I hear the song I tear up and feel I'm right back in my chair playing my trumpet in the swells of music. There's nothing like it. Although our band was amazing, the energy and acoustics in that hall are otherworldly. The song itself holds so much weight and truly leans into that longing feeling yall mention

[@wrestlingwithlife7297]

Attempt #(17) of asking for Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron!! Was my absolute childhood movie growing up and the filmmaking is so beautiful with amazing scores and concepts of loss and staying true to once nature even in the face of adversity!

[@smileart37]

I second this!!!

[@FenoxHigari]

I third this!

[@warcatfurever101writeroffanfic]

I fourth this! My favorite childhood movie!

[@animeprofessor2658]

THANK YOU!!! That movie meant so much to me growing up in ways I can’t express and it was only the start of my lifelong love and obsession for all things equine and my little pony friendship is magic was the final nail in the coffin 😂

[@tomquan5928]

What? I JUST asked that yesterday lolll

[@Speedy2619]

12:00 ok but i can gush over Hades in this movie all day😂 The sassy and witty dialoge that was written for him is most of the comedic relief in this movie😂

[@chowrites6179]

"Go The Distance" will forever be my #1 favorite song from Disney. They've released a lot of bangers over the year but this just really hits a special chord with me that will always make me feel hopeful for the future. Its my comfort song in a way.

[@Fragglerocker93]

I nearly choked on my coffee when Jon did his gollum impression 😂😂 was not expecting that lol

[@zionnewkirk4838]

That impression was SUPERB!!!😂😂😂

[@GeekyKara]

Same!!!

[@thatonkgau5221]

2:05 It's very ironic how Superman was inspired by Hercules and this movie takes some ques From Superman and vise Versa. Despite being the most inaccurate version of Hercules this by for one of the best versions of the character. Hercules is the embodiment of the boy scout masculine Hero architype. He's noble, honorable, selfless and stands for what he believes is right no matter what.

[@thelouisjohnson]

I always struggled with others commenting on my own potential. I found it too easy to buy into my own hype and get overly critical and disappointed in who I was when things didn’t go my way. I always love a story that reminds me that heroism isn’t what you do, by how you do it: through courage of the heart.

[@bethanystoppel7660]

Gotta love a 90's Disney classic with Alan Menken songs. Some of the best movies ever!

[@TheJacobG]

Now I want kinda want Jono to do a Therapist Reacts to the mythologically accurate Olympians. I suspect the conclusion may be, "Ya know, maybe some people can't be helped."

[@ericb.4313]

I personally like Hades' portrayal in... well, the game Hades. Where he's just an overworked bureaucrat with a pain-in-the-ass failson.

[@SinHurr]

God of War?

[@occasionalart]

@@SinHurr Jono tries to help Kratos get over his anger issues and trauma, GO!

[@paperboy1116]

OSP posting about the heroes of Greece simultaneously to this one is a testament to fate that I will gratefully accept.

[@Zarsla]

That's what I said, I was like is this a crossover?

[@mcphersonsound]

I also saw that

[@Rinz-Aide]

Thanks, now I'm going to go watch that after this😂

[@crowbirdy]

Yesssssss

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

@@mcphersonsoundI saw it too

[@franchescairby4834]

14:44 Dude! That was a really good impression of Pain!

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

I love this movie. Is it weird? Yes. Are a lot of the creative choices strange as hell? Also yes. Does it somehow come together and work? Most definitely. Th muses being a Gospel choir is such a strange choice, and on paper it sounds insane, but yet, it fits perfectly. Hercules being a complete Himbo? Also works perfectly. Then we get Meg. Not a Princess, but a jaded Fem Fatale straight out of a Noir film who is several years older than Herc (at least 5) has had at least one big relationship, and is now working for our villain. Thats weird in *most* movies let alone a Disney film where our major couple is implied to usually be the same age. Just some of the reasons why this is my favorite Disney movie. And I didn't even need to bring up how awesome Hades is. Edit: 9;00 funny you guys say that, that *is* what she's based on. They told Susan Egan (Meg's VA) that they were going for Screwball Comedy and they partially based the performance on Barbara Stanwyck, which is why she talks the way she does.She is also to blame for my love of deadpan sassy women. Well, her and Raven. And Rogue.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

How do you know she’s five years older?

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@tell-me-a-story- Honestly I just put a number and 5 is more the minimum, cuz she is clearly several years older than Herc just by how she acts and how she talks to him.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@hawkticus_history_cornerI feel like people see couples with the man being like several years older:(maybe even a decade or two or more):like almost all the time so big deal if Meg MIGHT be the one who’s MAYBE intended but apparently unconfirmed as being older than the guy

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@noorbohamad5796 That's why I pointed it out. It's common one way and *extremely* uncommon in the reverse. So for Disney of all people to do it makes it stand out

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@hawkticus_history_corner apparently we’re pretty much in agreement so it would seem

[@RositaDoyle]

To Jonathan: As a former 14 year old girl who had a lot of anger, thank you for doing that small gift to your daughter! That was the age when I permanently realized that I wasn't ever going to be seen as an equal to men unless I demanded to be seen as such, while I was doing twice the work the guys had to, all to be seen "as competent as a man". I had (and still do!) so much anger about the double standards of modern society all over the world, particularly in the USA. I did kung fu as my anger outlet, but archery and dart games are equally brain focusing and it really does help! Women and girls have a multitude of internal rage that we're not allowed to express, so you are doing a Good Dad Thing here.

[@lunekyh]

ONE OF MY FAVOURITE MOVIES. i've never been so early. also an incredible, timeless soundtrack. thank you!!!!

[@hugomendoza5665]

One of the things you said toward the end really resonated with me: that even when the story of heroes is about these grand, fantastical adventures, ultimately, what makes them a hero, are acts and deeds anyone can do. I like that.

[@StareachValcin]

While Disney's Hercules takes a lot of creative liberties from Superman, I like the character development Hercules goes through in the movie. Even before he was told that he had to be a true hero to return to Olympus, Hercules was a nice guy trying to help and find his place in the world. Learning that he has to be a hero gives Hercules a sense of direction of where he feels he needs to go. In the end, when Hercules does finally regain his godhood, he isn't even trying to do so. He's just trying to save someone he cares for, and Hercules ultimately gives up being a god, which he thought he wanted, for a life with Meg, which he does want for himself.

[@mbanerjee5889]

Captain America has the exact same story: humble beginnings, saves the world, gives it up for the girl.

[@jesusgymasmrlover]

19:13 + YES, Jono!!! I wholeheartedly agree with this. It saddens me when I see my family and friends struggle with this concept and suffer unnecessary drama in their own minds and relationships. You gotta be open to understanding, respecting, and being at peace with yours and others "why" no matter if you agree with them or not.

[@mbanerjee5889]

Hercules is an underrated comedy. One our favorite running gags at home is "Somebody call IX-I-I!"

[@isobelduncan]

I reckon it's also worth mentioning that while Meg sasses Hercules she doesn't act coldly or reject him as a "freak" like a lot of his other peers did. Even though he blundered at first when he rescued her. That must've been a real but welcome shock to him.

[@trellified]

14:33 spit out my food laughing. Outstanding 🤣

[@rexanderson4585]

That impersonation is immaculate

[@ShadowKaiserin]

I didn't realize it when I first watched this movie as a child, but Meg was a glimpse into my future in a lot of ways. It's a bit startling to hear your own sentiments come out of the mouth of a character you loved as child and realize it was because you could relate then and you relate even more now.

[@ThePonderer]

Renaissance-Era Disney was really really something else. Hope they get back to 2D animation one day. …fool’s hope.

[@Cassimfan]

I will say, some of the interesting things about Hades is when talking to Meg about her ex he calls the guy a creep, hinting that even Hades dislikes the guy's choice to run off with someone else after Meg's sacrifice, and, unlike most villains, Hades keeps his word, even when doing so works against him. The moment Megs is hurt, the deal he made with Hercules breaks and Hercules gets his strength back. Hades lets Hercules dictate part of their deal to include that clause. That shows a sense of honor, even a skewed one, that most Disney villains do not have.

[@CrazyAsian_303]

I used to want to fit in and everyone to like me. It was hard to fit in as a Chinese girl growing up in a mostly white community and a lot of people didn't like me. If there were other Asian kids or other races, they didn't like me either. I don't know why. When I did make friends, they stabbed in the back, or used me for their benefits, and it hurt. For a long time, I didn't want friends because I didn't trust people anymore. Honestly screw them. Now I'm 28 and I don't care about fitting in and I'm happy where I am. I have some amazing friends I've met later in life, have 2 kids as a single mom and that's where I belong. We are a crazy group of people and we are all different ethnicities: white, black, Chinese, Puerto Rican, Native American, Mexican. Be happy with who you are and the people you have in your life, we dont need everyone in our lives and thats ok!

[@fletchly]

Don’t know if you’ll do a villain therapy but I think another big thing is that Hades literally created his own demise. He only acts on his own interests, cuts his own nose to spite his face. He mocks and humiliates Hercules, and tries to undermine their relationship which is what ultimately costs him everything. His ultimate goal is literally just to be better than Zeus. The reason (I think) he is deeply unhappy is because he lives by comparison. Like so many deeply unhappy people, he would spoil everyone’s light to make himself feel better. He doesn’t feel like he’s living to serve others, he feels shackled, living in servitude to his brother.

[@TehAmelie]

It wouldn't be a Greek myth prophecy if he didn't make it true by trying to fight it eh.

[@choubatsu5860]

Meg will always be one of my favorite Disney Princesses. She felt like one of the first "strong Disney Princesses" before that became a thing in the experimental era. (Hot take: I love the Rennaissance of Disney's music better, but I actually love the stories and characters in the experimental era better. Emperor's new groove, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet are some of my favorite Disney films. Also, now I realized that the only one of those you haven't covered yet is Atlantis: The lost empire and if you haven't seen it, it is so worth a watch because Kida is amazing and the cast is hilarious.)

[@myfriendscallmekat]

honestly everyone in this movie had a moment i’ll always remember-the muses, phil, herc, hades, and especiallyyyy meg. it’s fucking awesome with a ton of passion and heart. i’ll love it forever :’)

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Just the song itself made me cry because it is hopeful for many of us who feel like outsiders and desire to find our place of belonging where we can be ourselves with people who accept us for who are. This is a beautiful story despite the dark original myth about redemption by Heracles. Hope to see Disney’s Tarzan so we can get the analysis and reaction about being an abandoned baby who learns he’s from two different worlds and discovers people like him when he meets Jane and Professor Porter, Strangers Like Me style. Also, fighting to be accepted by his adoptive father, Kerchak, at the end of the story and what it means to be a man, his ideal vs Clayton’s

[@paulamusik2509]

This movie was my ultimate comfort movie ever since I can remember. I was obsessed with it as a child. As someone who always was told that I am strange and too much and struggled to fit in I always related so much to Hercules desire to find a place where he belongs. I love the message of the movie. That fighting for what you think is right and what your heart tells you is more important than any outside validation and acknowledgement ever will be. I truly do think that this movie has shaped me a lot as a person.

[@Darkslayer289]

Love that you're covering Hercules. 😊James Woods' Hades is the best character in the movie, aside from Meg.

[@juliannagoodwin2875]

One thing I love is that Hercules’s singing voice is currently on Broadway playing Doc Brown in Back To The Future the musical. Roger Bart is so underrated

[@AishwiiRafiq]

Everyone's talking about the Muses being peak narration, but Hades too is peak man. The most relatable villain ever. And yes, Meg's "No way, not falling in love" song

[@PX6DEVASTATER]

I always loved Phil's journey during this movie too. Going from jaded and guarded to genuinely believing in Hercules, and being completely awestruck when his own dream comes true at the end.

[@angel_vii]

Meg was the sass Queen we needed

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

FR

[@weimeke]

This episode came out after a long, emotionally exhausting week. Thank you for the love and light ❤

[@albinaronsson226]

25 seconds ago is a new personal best for me

[@JustAnotherPerson4U]

I got a minute.

[@warcatfurever101writeroffanfic]

I got 4 minutes.

[@Blueberry-fan003]

I got 6

[@Laurelin70]

I got a jar of dirt! (quote) 😁😁

[@FuneralRage]

That scene from Treasure Planet always gets me. Hell it didn't even have sound on and I started to tear up.

[@renmcheaven1929]

Meg is the QUEEN OF SASS

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

So true

[@AzureSparkz]

1:20 ITS BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPT OF GREEK CHORUS!! muses as proclaimers of heroes, and also theres only 5 because its easier to write a 5 part harmony for choir than a 9 part lol

[@rosegirl3220]

Meg is one of my favorite Disney Heroines! I love this movie!

[@leemiller29]

Damn, I just realized her joke at 10:22 "Nice shootin', rex," is a clever pun in addition to rhyming with Tex. Rex means "king" in Latin

[@smileart37]

One of my favorite films! I’m so glad you guys did this movie!!

[@please-wake-up-now]

I love how Hercules kinda shows us that every hero goes through awkward times just like us! It's super relatable, especially when you realize it's not just about being strong but also finding your place. Plus, the humor is top-notch! 😂✨

[@ImBarelyMe]

I am so thankful my favourite Disney film is being studied here, it continually makes me feel better, such a beautiful film about how no matter what you think about you, or what others think about you. Fitting in isn’t the way through, being greater than you ever thought possible is the true way to find piece in your purpose in life

[@kaydensmalls4747]

I just wanna thank you guys for helping me through this really rough time in my life. I just found your channel not too long ago and it really resonates with me. I’m a crying mess most of the time but it’s in a good way. Thank you for what you do

[@akipolies]

Gods do I love this channel. It's always a good way to get some much needed inspired tears going

[@StashaBrower]

Not that he says "I will never hurt you" but that he says "I see you and I want you"... THAT HIT. so close to home.... the ones who have said they'll never hurt you end up doing so, mistake or not. Being seen is far more intimate than being given an impossible "promise".

[@kaylarealtalk_safespace5127]

We love a new Cinema Therapy drop! Thanks guys!

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Thanks for watching!

[@VocalFox]

“…Don’t worry, Shorty here can explain it to ya later.” XD Meg was always my favorite character in this movie. She’s so witty and independent, then later also shows a vulnerable side. Susan Egan’s voice performance also just totally sells it.

[@midnightrant7487]

I've just realized how much of a hold Epic the musical has on me cuz the moment I saw Zeus, I started singing Thunder Bringer😭

[@MegaKhelditia]

🌩

[@ultimatebishoujo29]

I feel you!!!