There are Issues with LGBTQ+ Representation in Media

[@AmelieGysels]

arcane ate the queer representaion UP !!

[@moonys.corner]

yeeess!!

[@the_kool_kid_lol7819]

YESS‼️‼️

[@hmmmmmmmmmm..]

Ate it literally too

[@flowernavel]

@@hmmmmmmmmmm..LMAOAOOAO

[@carcat6969]

I'm sorry to ask, but what does this mean?

[@danielmalinen6337]

Well said. Also, what bothers me, who is an ace, is that sometimes the asexual character of the source material is changed to homosexual in the adaptation "for the audience," even though the ace representation is still small. And of course, there have been only a small handful of these ace erasure cases, like Riverdale and Sherlock for example, and I understand that all of us also need to get more visibility and representation and specifically good visibility and representation with quality.

[@zalamazu]

I also wish that ace representation was more explicit. It seems like a lot of rep lately has just been canonically confirmed but online, instead of confirmed or heavily implied in the show, movie, etc. Having a character just not get into a relationship isn’t good or relatable enough to me :/ And don’t even get me started on the characters confirmed ace online only to combat the ships… The only good explicit rep I can think off the top of my head is Todd from Bojack Horseman and for some reason more writers haven’t taken notes… hmm…

[@owlmage2744]

This is such an important topic to talk about!! We NEED more GOOD representation in media... Also YESS I'm such a big Heartstopper fan, and it has so much good representation for so many things!

[@mintybudgie]

sasaki to miyano is so good that it didnt even need to be shown in this video. also i did not expect given to show up in this video 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@Cherrycreamsoda1]

Thanks for bringing this up. I’m a queer person who likes to write books (although I have no idea if they’ll ever be published 😅) with tons of lgbtq+ characters, and honestly when I see media under scrutiny for what it gets wrong, especially stuff like Vivienne Medrano which I like, it makes me afraid to share my work for fear I haven’t got the representation “right”. But I just try to tell the stories as I feel them without worrying too much about the characters’ sexualities (In addition I also love Will Byers and I hope Byler will be endgame 🥰

[@Bug.the.therian.]

I screamed for gay when you put given up there in the anime community queer relationships are potrayed really badly usally consents never given but given is i really beautiful love story that represents moving on and feeling emotions i have yet to find something so powerful but sasaki and miyano gives off the same vibes this is a beuatiful video!

[@moonys.corner]

given is such a beautiful story and I adore the manga so I just HAD to add that in there!

[@mintybudgie]

​@@moonys.corneryou have gotta check out sasaki to miyano!!!! its so good i finished it like 8 days ago but i wanna rewatch it again 😭😭😭😭

[@RhonaWilliams-v1i]

is it just me or is there WAYY more mlm tv shows and movies than wlw and i feel like wlw gets cancelled way more

[@rainbowunicorn9259]

literally, same with like media in general such as stories/comics I find online as well

[@moonys.corner]

i know! "i am not okay with this" is a painful example of this, i'm so mad it got cancelled!

[@elena3941]

same, i was gonna mention that show too bc im still mad they canceled it

[@GoeTeeks]

If I had to guess it's because straight women tend to enjoy m/m relationships way more than straight men or straight women enjoy w/w relationships. It's all about numbers to executives.

[@otsoko66]

GLAAD and other folks who track queer representation in US media have found that f/f is more common than m/m. Also that f/f is much more likely to involve a bi woman, while m/m is more likely to involve 2 gay guys. I can think of 4 shows with gay male main characters that got cancelled before the first season finish airing -- so not convinced about the cancellation thing either.

[@5ft11king]

how did you talk about lgbt shows and not talk about OWL HOUSE!!! loved the vid tho good work

[@misfits9294]

Probably because it's good representation.

[@moonys.corner]

i made sure to include clips from it at the beginning but truth be told I've never actually finished it! 😅 I know it's realllyy good tho!

[@Extreme2566]

Fun fact: I first found out about this show when I saw my brother reacting to clips of Amity gay panicking over Luz in 2020(season 1) I thought it was funny, and I eventually checked the show out with my first episode being Understanding Willow and fell in love with it.

[@brenna_marie]

I did a whole speech on the bury your gays trope last year for high school speech. Great video.

[@Nella_nova]

Honestly I have mixed feelings about this because I LOVE my Sapphic romance but I also really enjoy tragedies... which is a terrible combo considering I want to write a book. :/

[@moonys.corner]

thank you so much!!

[@FreeBlendersFromAmazon]

6:15 Byler doesn't fit into this category because it will be endgame. Sadly heteronormativity is real, and fans who don't see them endgame are truly blind. Imagine if Will was a girl, nobody would question if they were endgame or not. Stranger Things is a series about outcasts so queerbaiting is not possible but, i understand why people think that, it has happened way too many times in the history of movies and series.

[@moonys.corner]

i personally completely believe they're going to be endgame, I just fear that they'll end up pulling a fast one on us or something. Will is pretty much confirmed gay, I just wish they would give us confirmation IN the show, not through interviews and such, that's why I included them in the queerbaiting section.

[@FreeBlendersFromAmazon]

@moonys.corner I believe season 5 will answer all of our questions

[@liltmarshall8717]

100% endgame in the finale​@@moonys.corner

[@giandravideoedits]

Stranger Things does actually have a real queerbaiting with Steve and Billy.

[@miochii]

i think the she ra's netflix adaptation is a great example of queer representation, since they don't make it an issue or the main series plot, there are manyyy varied characters, like bow's dads, they're two married queer men, but that's just a normal thing on the show, they don't have to talk about it or explain the situation to anyone, because it is normal! and the iconic romance between she ra and catra is soo well developed, and natural. it's just beautiful how they added queer elements on the show.

[@skye2786]

Even when I was younger and first watched Riverdale I always thought the kiss between Betty and Veronica was pretty random. I understand it was for shock value and a nod to Britney Spears and Madonna but it always felt weird and out of place imo

[@broskify]

That's probably because the show was riverdale lmao, it was made for blonde white straight highschool girls. find something actually made for an lgbtq+ crowd!

[@moonys.corner]

right?? it was always so random to me…

[@marirester]

@@broskify what about brunette white straight high school girls? What do they watch?

[@TheyCall_MeEllieexx]

Well I understand that it can be hard to write an LGBTQ character if you’re not LGBTQ yourself I feel like the focus shouldn’t be on the character sexuality/gender identity but more on their personality and how they go about life as a person and that who they are attracted to is just an aspect of their personality but not something that becomes the focus of the character or something that can be the characters only characterisation I don’t know if this makes sense but yeah.

[@rainbowunicorn9259]

for me it honestly depends on the show, there's a lot of shows abt straight ppl focused purely on love but I understand what u mean. it's kinda annoying when every other sentence coming from a queer characters mouth is abt their sexuality but tbh if the show is supposed to be themed abt LGBT+ then I think it's fine in moderation ig I can't rlly explain but yea

[@mikeval1525]

⁠@@rainbowunicorn9259essentially, if it a romance story about a gay or lesbian romance, than show that without it being in your face.

[@goodbro2046]

I think non LGBTQ people write better story about them as someone who is. Because they write the character, not the sexuallety.

[@elisarosario975]

While Love, Simon was premiered at a time where queer visibility was already the norm, I think the most important takeaway to learn from it was that coming out is, and always has been, a process. There are many reasons why some might not be out yet, but that doesn’t mean they can’t do so. It’s just that they need more time before they can be open about it and when they do, it has to be on their terms. Love, Simon captures that feeling well. Yes, it’s not perfect, but it’s not totally far off the truth. Coming out takes time, whether the surrounding community would be accepting of LGBTQ stuff or not.

[@misfits9294]

I personally think Heartstopper and Love, Simon fall flat from a similar problem of feeling deeply...straight. Like, perfectly packaged for straight audiences. There's a difference between positive representation and representation stripped of so much that makes it queer (or even conflicting) to the point it's now not even representation save for surface level. The message of "see, LGBT+ people are normal, just like you and me!" is perfectly true in a sense but it can often be taken to "they're now just following straight relationship conventions but they're two guys or girls, or removing any of the edge or individuality that queer people can have to be more appealing to straight audiences". Why does Love, Simon need a white, cis, male lead who is well-off and painfully average in every way except for the fact he's gay? Is that the only way straight audiences can accept queerness? We need more queer POC in general.

[@ArtandStuff13]

Well there is a love Simon spin-off called Love Victor and the main guy isn’t white! I haven’t seen it but I’ve heard from people that it’s pretty good so maybe check that out

[@giandravideoedits]

let me also emphasize how lgbt+ rep doesn't begin and end with american/english media. please do look up media from other countries as well to find out several portraits of queerness that you would otherwise miss out on.

[@CCOHA-1]

American don’t touch other cultures 😂 if this person watched just one Thai BL this video wouldn’t even exist.

[@wordswithdragons9599]

as a queer adult The Dragon Prince on netflix probably has some of my favourite queer representation next to dead end: paranormal park. Part of it is having so many queer characters. TDP has two lesbian couples who are both married; one couple is an enemies to lovers plotline and then focuses on their engagement/wedding and political conflicts, and there's two gay couples as well, one of whom is more of a background slowburn and the other the opposite of bury your gays. There's multiple trans characters, one of whom is a main character from S4 onwards and his coming out scene is really lovely, and multiple nonbinary characters too. The show lets so many various facets of identity (like race and/or disability) with queerness as well, and while it's never the focus of the characters' stories, their queerness is still relevant to the show's themes of chosen identity / self actualization and trying to exist and have social change in a world that maybe isn't ready for you yet. I love it so much

[@moonys.corner]

i’ll have to look into it!

[@swisstea]

Thank you so much for talking about this! You just got a new subscriber :)

[@moonys.corner]

welcome! thanks so much for subbing 🫶🏼

[@spades-g4life]

I'm subscribing! Oh, since you include Given, please watch Asian Queer Love drama. I won't lie, some of them are awful, but a lot are actually worth watching and even great! Right now I'm following this Japanese adaptation of a Korean manhwa called Our Youth. It is on-going and is really good!

[@JonJ-vl1jg]

Good Video! I really like it! But I would say, that there's another problem. I don't know if anyone agrees with me, but I still feel like, that a queer relationship is treated differently than heterosexual ones. I really can't put my finger on it, but I feel like, that sometimes being gay or anything else means, that your relationship is pretty good. Like there a shows where the heterosexual characters are going out with everyone else who is heterosexual and the not heterosexual characters just have one relationship. It's definitely better, than something that makes fun of being gay, but it still is weird

[@gooseletloose3622]

awesome video, thanks for putting this out there

[@amazingspiderlad]

Honestly as a gay guy I'll take stereotypical representation any day over another boringly wholesome teen romance

[@otsoko66]

as a gay guy, I sometimes kinda like the boringly wholesome gay teen romance stuff.

[@zacharynguyen7286]

Incredible vide, please continue to support your ❤

[@l.n.3372]

I agree with the issues you mentioned. Whenever people mention Willow or Korra (and Asami), I always call them bi cuz they've had relationships with men and women. But on the other hand, if Willow, Korra, and Asami only date women from then on, is it unfair to say that they're lesbians? Willow had Xander and Oz, but perhaps Mako was a phase before Korra and Asami realized that they only want to date women. But I suppose if they genuinely were attracted to Mako, they're still bi.

[@otsoko66]

I give Willow the same respect I do people in real life -- she says she's gay after meeting Tara. OK, if she says so, she's lesbian.

[@l.n.3372]

@otsoko66 I would use that perspective, too. If the person/characters calls themselves lesbian instead of bi, then that's what I would say. The problem is that in LoK, the terms gay, lesbian, and bi don't exist on screen, obviously. So it's just fan interpretation of "are Korra and Asami lesbian now or are they technically bi?" And that's where you have people arguing over bi erasure vs lesbians.

[@tibbedam7159]

I agree with some of the arguments. Because especially queerbaiting is something that is done often and is just super annoying. Also most of the queer movies are just a lot of the same. So making it more into the media in a positive sense would be a great idea.

[@Extreme2566]

How did you make your video and where did you get your clips from? (I probably going to make a video on Power director) Also,i think the reason I was never against gay people was because I saw small amounts of media that potrayed them alright. Like Popularity Papers book 3,(the first book I read in the series)where one of the main characters had two dads,and I thought they were cool. Or the Loud House,with Mr and Mr McBride,Or OK KO,with Enid and Red action. Basically, I saw small amounts of media that probably counteracted the negative portrayals,which, according to my memory, weren't much. Though, as a character creator, I still look up how to avoid stereotypes, regardless. Love the video😊

[@moonys.corner]

thanks for watching! all the clips i used were from youtube! some clips were from trailers and others were scenepacks. i used a youtube to mp4 downloader and edited it on Adobe Premiere.

[@Extreme2566]

@moonys.corner k thank you

[@usergodknowswhat]

The Stranger Things clips STOP 💔

[@swaggyboggy2072]

wait ash you’re famous (it’s bog 😋)

[@moonys.corner]

OMG HEY QUEEN

[@liltmarshall8717]

Pretty little liars original sin had horrible bi rep with Noa

[@TalbotFields-x4d]

This was a great and very well done video! But this is I Am Not Okay With This baiting.

[@moonys.corner]

this video was for a class assignment and I actually didn't end up talking about I Am Not Okay With This in my essay so I didn't mention it in the video... but I wanted to add some clips from the show since it's one of my favs!

[@TalbotFields-x4d]

@ no that’s totally fair! It’s just also one of my favorites and I rarely see anyone talk about it! It’s cool that you also like it!

[@goodbro2046]

People who say there are no good trans representations never watched one piece. Literally everyone likes bon clay.

[@epsilonman11]

fiiireee

[@mariotriforce]

Now their is pink washing too tbh 😅, some people also find heartstopper a bit not accurate to the LGBT expirence as its not the most accurate to LGBT community & is focused on the cute, check out the bisexual that trys to accurate to the lived expirence of people which is even more rare