“There has been no Brexit disaster:” James O’Brien vs LBC caller

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Has the toxicity now faded from the political debate in the UK?
That was the question James O'Brien was asking his listeners today. Caller Peter agrees that it has - but for a reason that nobody else has brought up. He believes the political venom has dried up because Remainers like James have realised they were 'wrong about Brexit.'
It's a good old fashioned Brexit ding-dong in the year 2024. Enjoy!
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@captainhowdy9845
@captainhowdy9845 Ай бұрын
"Everything isn't quite so bad as expected" is now the Brexiteer's plimsole line of success.
@barbaragouin7232
@barbaragouin7232 Ай бұрын
It isn't it is worse
@georgeholmer8563
@georgeholmer8563 Ай бұрын
Yeah, we survived the war!
@ageoflove1980
@ageoflove1980 Ай бұрын
Yeah it went from: " Everything is going to be better" to "Well, the most important thing is sovereignty" to "It could have been a lot worse"
@TheOutsider840
@TheOutsider840 Ай бұрын
It is better. We now have regulatory autonomy where EU law previously had primacy (exc. NI), enhanced discretion over EU migration and a more robust opt out from EU federalism (when were British public ever directly consulted on Maastricht, Lisbon or Accession of new members). Economics is not the be all and end all. Of course if more people believe life would be better inside the EU as opposed to what we have now, and that view is democratically expressed, I will accept that.
@captainhowdy9845
@captainhowdy9845 Ай бұрын
@@TheOutsider840 🤣🤣🤣
@TigerP1
@TigerP1 Ай бұрын
Disaster? Ask the farmers Ask the fishermen Ask the Steel workers I live in Belgium and it is easier to order stuff from China than from the UK. The Brits cannot seem to organise their exports properly and I get stung with admin charges for imports from the UK.
@daveturner4134
@daveturner4134 Ай бұрын
Ask the creatives. Second biggest sector in the UK economy.
@bat33.12
@bat33.12 Ай бұрын
Royal Mail had automated custom forms that allowed easy custom declarations, a guy I work with had to close his own business down as they removed the option for this service, he contacted them and offered to pay to use it and they said it's just gone, no other option. It made exporting to many countries economically unviable for a small company with the endless hand filling in of repetitive long winded forms for the same item.
@garethtaylor1470
@garethtaylor1470 Ай бұрын
Sadly a lot of those industries people voted for Brexit because they “didn’t want someone in Brussels telling them what to grow” and I live in a farming community. What I don’t understand is WHY we cannot start to have new votes on rejoining the E.U so as soon as that door is opened we can go back. If the E.U falls apart and we all become independent autonomous states then we will be at huge risk of another war and a certain state invading Ukraine will swallow up half of the countries for breakfast. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when you ask people to make a decision on the countries future who are not equipped to make any sort of logical or intelligent decision. You wouldn’t just allow people to drive cars without being taught and educated and then requiring an official test pass FIRST. So WHY do we allow anybody and everybody to vote and control the future of the country?? You should have to take an exam paper in order to vote imo.
@bat33.12
@bat33.12 Ай бұрын
@@garethtaylor1470 You can blame 'Call me Dave' and his idea to unify the Tory party for that vote
@bibsp3556
@bibsp3556 Ай бұрын
​@@daveturner4134thata more a comment on the state of the rest of the economy....
@popgoesaweasle920
@popgoesaweasle920 Ай бұрын
Peter has made my life and my childrens life poorer in every way. I dont like or forgive Peter.
@geoffpegler4506
@geoffpegler4506 Ай бұрын
👍
@dinodinosaur2930
@dinodinosaur2930 Ай бұрын
Old folks having lived their whole life in the EU vote leave, when their grandkids want to remain ​@@geoffpegler4506
@user-ir5wq6db8e
@user-ir5wq6db8e Ай бұрын
You're obviously not a lorry driver. And not importing tomatoes from Spain has made the air your children breathe cleaner.
@aleph8888
@aleph8888 Ай бұрын
Who cares.
@porthmeor1
@porthmeor1 Ай бұрын
@@user-ir5wq6db8e so where do we import them from know?
@jasrai3829
@jasrai3829 Ай бұрын
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. 4% drop in GDP is a major disaster for any nation
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 Ай бұрын
Freedom is worth it.
@mihohobaba
@mihohobaba Ай бұрын
@@gameofender4463 Freedom from what, exactly?
@violoncelo1000
@violoncelo1000 Ай бұрын
@@gameofender4463 Freedom of what ?
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 Ай бұрын
@@mihohobaba Freedom to make our own decisions, rightly or wrongly without the EU trying to enforce us to copy them.
@gameofender4463
@gameofender4463 Ай бұрын
@@violoncelo1000 Freedom to have only people we voted in the U.K, legislate in the U.K.
@lazslostpierre9951
@lazslostpierre9951 Ай бұрын
Peter Cognitive Dissonance from Dimwitshire.
@lich2560
@lich2560 Ай бұрын
Brilliant 😂
@sophsaund304
@sophsaund304 Ай бұрын
😂😂
@markbantz9699
@markbantz9699 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 American living in Italy.
@Motownisyourtown
@Motownisyourtown Ай бұрын
This isn't cognitive dissonance he's wrong but he fully believes he's right, that's just being wrong, there's no dissonance here.
@ravd8082
@ravd8082 Ай бұрын
majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
@gavleopardi70
@gavleopardi70 Ай бұрын
Peter starts quite reasonably (truth and reconciliation) but then can't help steer the conversation towards his ultimate goal: defending his 'disastrous' Brexit support against the irrefutable consequences of his decision. And yet he'll come away unfazed by his stupidity.
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
Exactly. The first part there involves admitting that things didn't happen as they were 'predicted' and that maybe we should rethink some of it. Suits me.
@roathripper
@roathripper Ай бұрын
because james kept interrupting, he plays his callers for fools.
@hakanozaslan9571
@hakanozaslan9571 Ай бұрын
@@roathripper yep, that must be it XD
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
@@roathripper Okay fine, so let's just listen to the caller and admit that there was lots which then later didn't happen. Then learn some lessons from it about what he could have done, and what we should do in the future.
@mrgzola25
@mrgzola25 Ай бұрын
​@@roathripperThis one is. Confirmation bias
@Captain_Kremmen
@Captain_Kremmen Ай бұрын
Ah, it's Mr Dunning-Kruger on the line....
@MattSingh1
@MattSingh1 Ай бұрын
*Dunning-Kruger effect, NPD (when it comes to Brexit), confirmation bias...Peter is a walking tissue of logical fallacies.*
@IMBlakeley
@IMBlakeley Ай бұрын
I think it may even be his dimmer brother.
@ronthered138
@ronthered138 Ай бұрын
Peter the Artful Dodger of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Never a straight answer.
@sophsaund304
@sophsaund304 Ай бұрын
@@Captain_Kremmen hahaha perfect, love it
@lordsummerisle852
@lordsummerisle852 Ай бұрын
His names James
@jl-xs6ud
@jl-xs6ud Ай бұрын
"the toxicity is gone" then spends ten minutes being toxic 😂😂😂 I hope the caller hears himself
@joba4848
@joba4848 Ай бұрын
@jl-xs6ud The toxicity came from James. He always acts this way. Talks over his callers, does not allow them to get their point, be it right or wrong, across, then tries to claim the moral high ground. I’m not commenting on Brexit, I voted to remain, but James is the most odious man on radio. He thinks he is morally and intellectually superior to everyone, but is just the opposite.
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
How was this caller toxic? He tries to point out the fact that most of project fear projections never came to pass. But you remoaners don't like that, even nearly ten years later...
@robrn1975
@robrn1975 Ай бұрын
Imagine that the Labour Party had lost 4 percent of gdp. The papers would be imploding
@blindbrad4719
@blindbrad4719 Ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see how many papers fell for it as an April fools day announcement… Would certainly highlight the double standards they employ
@helentyrer3298
@helentyrer3298 Ай бұрын
Time yet wait and see ….?
@op3129
@op3129 Ай бұрын
@@helentyrer3298 JRM says you have to wait *_FIFTY YEARS_* before seeing any Brexit benefit. is that what you mean "helen"? (you won't answer, of course. we all know you can't)
@ianwagland4535
@ianwagland4535 Ай бұрын
Give it time lol
@lordsummerisle852
@lordsummerisle852 Ай бұрын
That 4% is purely hypothetical. Where is your proof that the UK GDP is 4% lower than it would have been?
@martinobrien7110
@martinobrien7110 Ай бұрын
Peter is in the Dark Ages . A man convinced of his own ignorance .
@user-lm2vs1sl3v
@user-lm2vs1sl3v Ай бұрын
and he’s proud of it too😂😂😂
@joetuktyyuktuk8635
@joetuktyyuktuk8635 Ай бұрын
Convinced his own ignorance is inconsequential...
@OneBlurryLens
@OneBlurryLens Ай бұрын
Peter walks away from this conversation still believing that ketchup is blue. And nothing will change his mind.
@jonathan_griffiths
@jonathan_griffiths Ай бұрын
Ketchup is blue! Or at least it was before we joined the EU! Wait, was that passports?
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius Ай бұрын
Mum! Grandpa Pete's been putting Slush Puppy on his fish and chips again.
@AlphaNevada123
@AlphaNevada123 Ай бұрын
Rumour has it he’s still talking….
@heyhonpuds
@heyhonpuds Ай бұрын
There was green tomato sauce for a short while
@martinobrien7110
@martinobrien7110 Ай бұрын
The Caller is more interested in " proving " James wrong than making an actual point of fact . May the Gammon not be with you .
@englishstark6100
@englishstark6100 Ай бұрын
Gammon excellent Owen Jones uses that a lot and I’m disgusted at people using Eurononce Budgie Smuggler Bunnyboiler Totally Unnecessary.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius Ай бұрын
Once you start down the derp path forever will it dominate your idiocy.
@kaikai-pb7fh
@kaikai-pb7fh Ай бұрын
Lol. Someone trying to prove the other wrong by not talking fact. James never does that.
@sarahknowler5348
@sarahknowler5348 Ай бұрын
James is wrong going into the common market was the worst lie the war in Ukraine is a part of the lie
@infinitel00p94
@infinitel00p94 Ай бұрын
well James is and was wrong.he should admit that
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
The mental gymnastics involved in turning this into a "there was wrong on both sides, let's just call it a draw" (as he seems to be trying to say). smh.
@ronny-lb1cr
@ronny-lb1cr Ай бұрын
This toasted brain suggested South Africa's Apartheid reconciliation as example for Tory and Labour to tell their wrongdoings.
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
@@ronny-lb1cr I think it was more for leave and remain (as there were people from both parties on both sides). But yeah, the purpose of truth & reconciliation is generally to uncover the truth and move on. I think he just wants to do the second of those.
@Decrepit_biker
@Decrepit_biker Ай бұрын
Peter isn't just in the New Forrest. Peter is also in DENIAL.
@lesleyrobertson5465
@lesleyrobertson5465 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin Ай бұрын
He’s swimming in Egypt.( or Paris. Take your pick)
@RAmusique
@RAmusique Ай бұрын
New Forest is sometimes (and politically) a planet of its own 😬🤦🏼‍♂️🤷
@wavydavy9816
@wavydavy9816 Ай бұрын
@@highdownmartin He's 'out of the boat'
@Michael43713
@Michael43713 Ай бұрын
Surely that's in Egypt?
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
@powderedtoastfacekillah734 Ай бұрын
Peter is complicit in Breaking Britain
@ravd8082
@ravd8082 Ай бұрын
no majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
@3replybiz
@3replybiz Ай бұрын
@@ravd8082 37.4% of the UK electorate voted to leave the EU.
@e1239
@e1239 Ай бұрын
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 mass immigration broke Britain, not Brexit
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
@powderedtoastfacekillah734 Ай бұрын
@@e1239 austerity and brexit and people like you who were duped into voting against your own best interests broke Britain Not immigration
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
@powderedtoastfacekillah734 Ай бұрын
@@e1239 Peter? Is that you?
@friedeswide
@friedeswide Ай бұрын
It hurts to be highly educated and informed, it just hurts. 😢 These people and their ability to destroy lives in driving me crazy.
@michaelclayton5124
@michaelclayton5124 Ай бұрын
We lost 90% of our export business in our small SME due directly to brexit.
@mick947
@mick947 Ай бұрын
We had to close down our business, that employed 60 people, because of cheap imports from China brought in by America, with no protection from the EU. ( unlike the French wine makers) And because of new laws brought in by the EU we also had to pay the self employed salesmen an extortionate amount of money.
@michaelclayton5124
@michaelclayton5124 Ай бұрын
@@mick947 and how was that affected by brexit ?
@shauntempley9757
@shauntempley9757 Ай бұрын
@@michaelclayton5124 If you do not like how the EU did that, paying millions to self employed salesmen, even if they were not, before Brexit, the scandal would be tough luck. The EU will not let you revesrse it back even if you elected the parties to try. After Brexit, you can now elect politicians and parties that agree that was wrong, and thus can now change the law to stop that. It gives the House of Commons full control of UK law making, and Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland have that control in their own lands with in the UK in any issue that arises in your Realms. Before, the EU could over rule your elected leaders. Now they have no authority to do so.
@YellaChickenOG
@YellaChickenOG Ай бұрын
Caller: "Here's some things you said that turned out to be untrue" *Proceeds to lay out things that were never actually said but if they were said would also have been true*
@chrissanders1027
@chrissanders1027 Ай бұрын
The toxicity is strong in this one lord Vader.
@stevejam767
@stevejam767 Ай бұрын
@@chrissanders1027 The Force was always with Brexit, that is why you hate us.
@lordvadertheleftie9703
@lordvadertheleftie9703 Ай бұрын
The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am
@biga1398
@biga1398 Ай бұрын
Is it wrong to actually feel real animosity towards Peter?
@martinobrien7110
@martinobrien7110 Ай бұрын
No .
@Ryan-pz2wh
@Ryan-pz2wh Ай бұрын
Hate is never acceptable. Learn to love and not hate. It’s a lot less exhausting!
@englishstark6100
@englishstark6100 Ай бұрын
OBrien wanted to have me and the unvaccinated put in camps complicit in the Draper Galloway Deception brings a Schill like Dom Jolly because he wouldn’t go near anyone that he had differing views to Dr Fauci Never Forget Never Forgive.
@HowardGough
@HowardGough Ай бұрын
@@englishstark6100 So - you are a brexiter stiil in denail then?
@coppershark1973
@coppershark1973 Ай бұрын
Not anymore. I could feel sorry for the gullible during and shortly after the Brexit debacle but that time has long since passed.
@orchidhouse297
@orchidhouse297 Ай бұрын
Peter is a confused simpleton who thinks he understands more than he does. He doesn't have any idea how little he knows, or how to apply the little knowledge he has.
@dannyboyy31
@dannyboyy31 Ай бұрын
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing....
@wendysimpson6395
@wendysimpson6395 Ай бұрын
Classic Dunning-Kruger sufferer.
@michaelcurtis2274
@michaelcurtis2274 Ай бұрын
Dunning Kruger effect
@petercassidy0628
@petercassidy0628 Ай бұрын
Peter knows best"all I want to know when will I get richer instead of getting poorer since we left the EU.Peter" when will I get the Brexit" benefit.
@gjaxx
@gjaxx Ай бұрын
It's not 'knowledge' per se. Simply talking points his mates down wetherspoons wholeheartedly agree with
@matthewbaynham6286
@matthewbaynham6286 Ай бұрын
Sometimes when people don't answer a question, that refusal to answer is itself an answer.
@gjaxx
@gjaxx Ай бұрын
They absolutely love to present their fictions as fact, and then relentlessly accuse whomever of denying their 'truth', and any 'discussion' thereafter goes round in circles
@scousertommy8220
@scousertommy8220 Ай бұрын
What are the odds that this caller is a 60+ old gammon??
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Ай бұрын
With extra pineapple.
@TheySavedSoldeedsBrain
@TheySavedSoldeedsBrain Ай бұрын
You can hear the pickled lard in his throat.
@MyName-cw4yr
@MyName-cw4yr Ай бұрын
You guys are the problem....
@iandennis7836
@iandennis7836 Ай бұрын
​@@MyName-cw4yrWE'RE the problem for calling brexiteers out for their lies and denials? Can I enquire as to how you reached that conclusion? I'll put the kettle on.....
@ravd8082
@ravd8082 Ай бұрын
majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
@paultursner-upcott3651
@paultursner-upcott3651 Ай бұрын
Brexit wasn't a disaster, it was worse than that..
@JOOLZNED
@JOOLZNED Ай бұрын
I live in the New forest, tourism from the EU down, food prices up, farmers in trouble and small business having trouble selling goods
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Ай бұрын
Rely on the Forest Fairies.
@anthonymiles8377
@anthonymiles8377 Ай бұрын
Yeah but blue passports trumps all that.... That's what REALLY counts (innit!)
@ReedoTV
@ReedoTV Ай бұрын
We talk about body dismorphia, but never about brain dismorphia
@beckynelson6786
@beckynelson6786 Ай бұрын
Brexiters can't bear to think they are wrong and have been taken for a ride.
@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt
@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt Ай бұрын
we need a public inquiry into Brexit just like the one we are having for Covid
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp Ай бұрын
An enquiry into what? Two sides put forward arguments. All eligible people were able to vote and leave won. Where is the conspiracy?
@allip4226
@allip4226 Ай бұрын
​@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jpThe enquiry can start with the lies the Leave side told, and who was financing those lies.
@jeffreyheeks
@jeffreyheeks Ай бұрын
​@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp One side lied repeatedly. Votes were cast on those lies. That's illegal.
@emmabrooker166
@emmabrooker166 Ай бұрын
Remember politicians saying “we’ll still be in the single market”! Lying toads.
@jameshansing5396
@jameshansing5396 Ай бұрын
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp we could start by looking at the lies told by either side. We could look at any predictions which have proven to be VERY wrong and try and work out why. Do you not like things like that being investigated?
@moimyselfandi
@moimyselfandi Ай бұрын
That's why I left UK and close my 2 restaurants in London . Now I'm in Spain and very happy with my wife and children . My wife is from Spain and I got now the Spanish passport . Peter is very representative of why I left.
@nicholasgerrish6022
@nicholasgerrish6022 Ай бұрын
‘I got now the Spanish Passport’…… What Passport did you have when you were in the UK ?
@sisulart
@sisulart Ай бұрын
He’s right, it hasn’t been a disaster. It’s been a catastrophe.
@ruf930porsche
@ruf930porsche Ай бұрын
By requesting a 'Truth and reconciliation committee' I think Peter wants people who wanted to remain in the EU, to accept they were wrong. In doing so this in some way might in some way alleviate the regret and guilt that Peter is now feeling for his vote to leave the EU. Peter, you won the referendum, just live with the guilt/shame and remorse that you now feel! You and 52 million others, are in a similar situation to you and are dealing with it. But please do not try and tell the people who have suffered and are suffering because of it, that Brexit was a success, with the occasional 'Pinch Point!' Seek help Peter
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
Brexit was a partial success. Our politicians and institutions have blocked it from further success.
@jaypusha5554
@jaypusha5554 Ай бұрын
Brexit is half of the problem, let’s be honest.
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp Ай бұрын
Or Brexit is a problem for half (or 48%) of people as they don't like losing
@jaypusha5554
@jaypusha5554 Ай бұрын
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp you’re absolutely right, we don’t like losing our standard of living. Which has greatly reduced since brexit.
@BillyGoatScruff1000
@BillyGoatScruff1000 Ай бұрын
@@jaypusha5554 Happened way before brexit, thats why we left
@stevedapom
@stevedapom Ай бұрын
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jpwe haven’t lost. We won the first referendum and lost the second. We should have a best out of three. I wonder who’d win that one 🤔
@danielcrafter9349
@danielcrafter9349 Ай бұрын
​@@BillyGoatScruff1000- lol, nice try 😂😂
@johndean1953
@johndean1953 Ай бұрын
Peter, wisdom and intelligence have been pursuing you throughout your life and so far you have managed to outrun them both.
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
The irony of a JOB listener saying that! You listen to the biggest bully and bigot on the radio...
@nickwortmann566
@nickwortmann566 15 күн бұрын
Harsh but true 😅
@Dogboy73
@Dogboy73 Ай бұрын
There are no end of delusional people in this world. Crazy times.
@redscouse8568
@redscouse8568 Ай бұрын
Poor Peter, I am guessing there must have been some kind of emergency on the ward, that enabled him to get to a telephone. Let's all hope he has now been calmed and medicated.
@lesleyrobertson5465
@lesleyrobertson5465 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@t2twanks
@t2twanks Ай бұрын
I wasn't registered to vote at the time of the brexit vote, my opinion then was leave, but looking at how things are now, I've changed my views, BREXIT was a disaster FACT
@robertwood1416
@robertwood1416 Ай бұрын
I think Peter was out picking magic mushrooms in New Forest.
@ryuhayabaker
@ryuhayabaker Ай бұрын
Don't brush all of us with the same mushrooms.
@littzy5576
@littzy5576 Ай бұрын
I miss these conversations when people have no clue what they are talking about come on national radio to show us all they are fools
@peterk4626
@peterk4626 Ай бұрын
I studied the EU structure and policies and pro's and cons of being a member solidly for months before voting. I still didn't fully understand things, so how on earth people could vote based off BS soundbites and scaremongering thrown at them by self serving politicians is beyond me. In the end I voted to remain as I could not see a way it would ever work and be a benefit to the UK!
@davdonoghue
@davdonoghue Ай бұрын
Problem with SOME older people is that they are not realy involved in the economy anymore and they are being targated by by online and tabloid liars .
@Dynasty1818
@Dynasty1818 Ай бұрын
That's every LBC listener apart from the age
@clappagemcphee
@clappagemcphee Ай бұрын
​@@Dynasty1818What age? What does this even mean?
@bobblock-vk6je
@bobblock-vk6je Ай бұрын
The problem with these young people is that they have no life experience - those under 30 years of age should not be allowed to vote or indeed comment on any topic in my opinion
@shanecopner7827
@shanecopner7827 Ай бұрын
Daily mail readers
@Ngamer834
@Ngamer834 Ай бұрын
He probably watches GB News and reads The Daily Mail taking them seriously.
@87CVH
@87CVH Ай бұрын
What were the lies from remainers ? Im still yet to have any proven
@goodisonmark8140
@goodisonmark8140 Ай бұрын
People like this will never admit the truth, meanwhile I had a message off amazon earlier saying my order was delayed in customs.
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Ай бұрын
Buy it from Singapore on Thames, not that Brazilian River.
@georgeryan3310
@georgeryan3310 Ай бұрын
Theirs a lot of Peters who refuse to accept the reality of what they did voting for Brexit but their are far more who have understood the error of their ways and would reverse their decision in a heartbeat.
@lordsummerisle852
@lordsummerisle852 Ай бұрын
The damage was caused by our pro EU political establishment. If parliament was actually comprised of as many Eurosceptics as the electorate ( and we had a fit for purpose civil service) we would have got a much better deal. In fact, Brexit could have actually destroyed the EU which would be sensational
@daji6675
@daji6675 Ай бұрын
I'm usually a fan of James O'Brien but in this instance I think he should have gave the caller a chance to speak a bit more freely. I'd have been interested to listen to his view point without the constant shutting down of the caller.
@mark9748
@mark9748 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately it's a characteristic of his personality that he cannot allow anyone to say that he is wrong about anything. He'll never change.
@leviathon2
@leviathon2 Ай бұрын
@@mark9748James did ask him what he thought it was that James had said wrongly.
@mark9748
@mark9748 Ай бұрын
@@leviathon2 Let’s be honest, James is crying tonight because the producer let this caller through.
@mistert800
@mistert800 Ай бұрын
Disagree, callers like this don't want to be held to account for the things they say so they are desperate to "move on" when it's not going their way.
@captain007x
@captain007x Ай бұрын
​@mark9748 You want a one way conversation then?
@chrisashton9218
@chrisashton9218 Ай бұрын
The truth, Peter is a fool.
@annishilcock4587
@annishilcock4587 Ай бұрын
I never cease to be amazed how willing people are to come on air and make complete fools of themselves!
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp
@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp Ай бұрын
And that is just James....
@annishilcock4587
@annishilcock4587 Ай бұрын
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp Wasn't aware that James phoned in his program.
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Ай бұрын
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp And that is just James' moronic callers.
@KintokiSan
@KintokiSan Ай бұрын
strange how callers like this are nearly always doddering old people...
@worldtraveller8604
@worldtraveller8604 Ай бұрын
I suspect that Peter is wrong about many things. But sniggering at him, hectoring him, talking over everything he tried to say and then finally fading him out really didn't enlighten anyone about anything.
@MIEJ4
@MIEJ4 Ай бұрын
Yes sadly just makes it more polarised, it’s a shame all the Peters out there can’t open their eyes to the facts of what has happened.
@blechtic
@blechtic Ай бұрын
Neither would have anything he had to say. How do I know? The droning-on, not engaging in conversation and fixating on a single word as any sort of proof compared to the other side's whoppers. That tells us that he was not interested in examining his own position and that he clearly expected the reconciliation to only happen on the opposite side.
@worldtraveller8604
@worldtraveller8604 Ай бұрын
@@blechtic Yeah, my point is that a strong rebuttal with a basic degree of civility would have enlightened listeners. This few minutes of bullying did not.
@blechtic
@blechtic Ай бұрын
@@worldtraveller8604 Well, the initial strong rebuttal lead to the guy continuing to fixate on the point. He had plenty of chances to let it go and move on. He didn't take them. He could have simply said "I'll concede the point even though I think you're wrong". He did it to himself.
@3replybiz
@3replybiz Ай бұрын
@@worldtraveller8604 Peter wasn't bullied, he was pretty aggressive and once he got going would NOT shut up for a second.
@Nickbaldeagle02
@Nickbaldeagle02 Ай бұрын
There has been no rain in Manchester.
@MarkInOxford
@MarkInOxford Ай бұрын
Peter should have his voting privileges revoked.
@B3ggarman
@B3ggarman Ай бұрын
I know this is not really the point, but South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation was not about “all sides admitting to their lies, errors, and misjudgments.” It was about bringing the crimes of the apartheid government and its supporters into the light of day so that hopefully the nation could move on from them, rather than become enmeshed in an endless cycle of retribution. The idea that anti-apartheid activists had any “lies, errors, and misjudgements” to admit is frankly ridiculous on its face.
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
Is it? Nelson Mandela had no history of terrorism? Anti-aparthied 'activists' did no wrong whatsoever??
@trevorohara9066
@trevorohara9066 Ай бұрын
Arrogance and ignorance is a noisy street corner.
@Bertrum123
@Bertrum123 Ай бұрын
True that .
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
Then why do you listen to JOB muttering along to himself?
@claudioricci1
@claudioricci1 Ай бұрын
The fact that he is getting so annoyed about whether James said frictionless or tariff free trade goes to show he has nothing. Like that suddenly makes Brexit justified and ‘Remainers were wrong’. On one side - a list of things as long as your arm that have gone badly - on the other - something about a word that was used.
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
Remoaners claimed the whole country would be bankrupt by now, that house prices would have fallen by 30% etc etc.
@claudioricci1
@claudioricci1 Ай бұрын
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob sources please - who said the country would be bankrupt
@andypc14
@andypc14 Ай бұрын
Peter is a tool. And unable to disagree amicably. He was anxious, disruptive, distracting, contentious and void of fact …
@joba4848
@joba4848 Ай бұрын
@andypc14 Really, I thought it was James who was all those things you accuse Peter of being. He is unable to have a civil conversation with anyone that he disagrees with. Giggling at a caller is both childish and provocative, as is not allowing his callers to finish their point, before telling them why, in his opinion, they are wrong. We, the listener, learnt nothing from that call, except James is a pathetic bully. If James is so confident in his beliefs, he should have allowed Peter to makes his points, before he corrected him.
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob
@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob Ай бұрын
You need to listen again and see how JOB runs this conversation out of town to avoid facing awkward truths. He uses all his usual bullying tactics.
@andypc14
@andypc14 7 күн бұрын
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob James relies on evidence not the ideological garbage written in the Mail - do you read the Daily Mail. Wiki refuse to use it as a source of the truth!!
@andypc14
@andypc14 2 күн бұрын
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob If asking someone for factual evidence of success rather than economic failure of Brexit is classified as bullying, your definition is off but seems curiously aligned with fabricated bile from the Daily Mail and mind of Paul Dacre
@ginomoujik8488
@ginomoujik8488 Ай бұрын
Not letting Peter speak makes James appear to have an agenda rather than truth seeking.
@davecap2641
@davecap2641 Ай бұрын
This guy lives in a bubble made of one way glass.
@parametr
@parametr Ай бұрын
Peter, it was always said "free trade". The "tariff free trade" bit is what they explained to you after failing to get "free trade". And still, from the government website: The EU and UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement establishes zero tariffs or quotas on trade between the UK and the EU, where goods meet the relevant rules of origin. WHERE GOODS MEET THE RELEVANT RULES OF ORIGIN.
@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@RobinHarris-nf4yv Ай бұрын
Lots of SMEs don’t even bother to do all the work needed for Rules of Origin, they find it easier to just pay the tariff.
@productjoe4069
@productjoe4069 Ай бұрын
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvit’s impossible to meet them in a lot of cases because they need either a full mass balance inventory system or completely segregated storage. Not many SMEs can afford to add two ish members of staff, or have a spare store room they weren’t using. (Not saying you said this, but addressing a common retort Leave voters give me that those not able to follow the rules are somehow incompetent or lazy for not having the means to handle all the rules of global trade)
@MrPlannery
@MrPlannery Ай бұрын
​@@productjoe4069Important points, not said often enough.
@andypc14
@andypc14 Ай бұрын
Peter very likely read the mail, times and telegraph and is too pig-headed to accept that Murdoch,’ and Dacre fooled him with nonsense media content
@allenmontrasio8962
@allenmontrasio8962 Ай бұрын
People who cannot cope with reality used to do drugs, now they phone into radio shows.
@robwakelin5559
@robwakelin5559 Ай бұрын
Disappointing that the admirable JO'B didn't give the guy a clear run at saying what he wanted to. I wanted to hear his points.
@blechtic
@blechtic Ай бұрын
The guy's big gotcha was one word. That he wouldn't let it go and move on to his supposedly more salient points implies that it was the best he had. Yes, JO'B has his flaws but we all know about them. So, if a caller has important points they want to get across, they should know better than to pick a fight with Jimmy over some minor detail and get to the meat of the matter.
@latheofheaven1017
@latheofheaven1017 Ай бұрын
Peter no doubt thought that all predictions about the consequences of Brexit were just 'project fear'. Now that the predictions have come true he thinks that everyone agrees that they didn't. Peter, your reality denial has deeply damaged my country, and until you recognise the truth, I see no path to reconciliation.
@gokuisard
@gokuisard Ай бұрын
They Live. They walk amongst us 🙈 Jesus, I'm sure they live in the sticks with their head in the sand
@DilbertWhitehead
@DilbertWhitehead Ай бұрын
And yet he still presents this show...worrying isn't it
@BadgerBoy59
@BadgerBoy59 Ай бұрын
@@DilbertWhitehead So witty. So courageous.
@alistairmartin13
@alistairmartin13 Ай бұрын
Peter has never done any business outside the UK in his life has no idea about the shambles of importing & exporting goods that you have to go through now
@mauryhan
@mauryhan Ай бұрын
Peter seems to think that he should be allowed to Gish Gallop his way through the call without having to respond to his assertions.
@ImmortalInflames
@ImmortalInflames Ай бұрын
If I don't stop talking.. he won't have a chance to say I'm wrong! ^^
@jonowebster9156
@jonowebster9156 Ай бұрын
No point in talking to him at all. Complete denial . Crazy guy 😂
@stevewilliams8606
@stevewilliams8606 Ай бұрын
Brexit brought us Johnson and Truss , enough said .
@Prophet_Google
@Prophet_Google Ай бұрын
*Still waiting for a CREDIBLE benefit of Brexit!*
@TheStitchOutlands
@TheStitchOutlands Ай бұрын
You'll be waiting forever.
@Prophet_Google
@Prophet_Google Ай бұрын
@@TheStitchOutlands Hopefully better LATE than NEVER!
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- Ай бұрын
It cheered Peter up?
@eddiecalderone
@eddiecalderone Ай бұрын
@@Prophet_Google Take in consideration that we left a bit more than 4 and a half years ago, and immediately had a global pandemic. The U.K. saved over £96 billion because if we were in the eu that would have been our contribution to the eu covid recovery budget. However here are some benefits. Ended free movement, uncontrolled immigration from eu, where every eu citizen had the right to access social services, healthcare, education, housing creating a strain on all the above and infrastructure. Restored democratic control over our lawmaking. Restored the UK Supreme Court as the final arbiter of the law that applies in the UK. Ended the acceptance of ID cards for most EU nationals travelling to the UK. No longer paying EU Budget contributions. £57 billion more for our NHS. Delivering eight Freeports in England and at least one Freeport in each of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
@eddiecalderone
@eddiecalderone Ай бұрын
@@Prophet_Google Back in control of our own VAT rates. Since the referendum in 2016, the UK has grown faster than Germany, Italy, and Japan and at a similar rate to France. Our services exports are at a record-high of £472 billion and the IMF predicts that between 2024-2028 the UK will see the third fastest growth in the G7 - stronger than France, Germany and Japan.
@brianharris7243
@brianharris7243 Ай бұрын
The usual "Give me an example"- either none or wrong examples by Gammons
@jacqdanieles
@jacqdanieles Ай бұрын
For the non-Brits among us, what's a "gammon"?
@muttley5958
@muttley5958 Ай бұрын
​@@jacqdanieles It's a derogatory word for white patriots. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧
@jacqdanieles
@jacqdanieles Ай бұрын
@@muttley5958 thanks. I thought it was a ham leg 😄
@TheStitchOutlands
@TheStitchOutlands Ай бұрын
@@muttley5958 lol "patriots".
@antonioguerreiro1615
@antonioguerreiro1615 Ай бұрын
the reason right there that after 38 years in the UK............I LEFT BACK HOME!! to Portugal and I WILL NEVER set foot in the UK ever again..PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE EU
@stevenhiggins906
@stevenhiggins906 Ай бұрын
You can almost smell the gammon...
@ricado372
@ricado372 Ай бұрын
Peter is the problem.
@davidreynolds6718
@davidreynolds6718 Ай бұрын
James is correct on substance but he could have let Peter speak and then fact check him.
@garrysimpson1395
@garrysimpson1395 Ай бұрын
Sadly as someone from The New Forest there are many people like him.
@alana8863
@alana8863 Ай бұрын
He accused James O'Brien of making a claim. James asked him to justify that accusation. He refused to answer the question. If you make an accusation you should be able to justify it. Brexiters really need to become more honest - no one voted for this. But this is human nature, sadly. It's more comfortable to deny you were wrong than admit it.
@marct9942
@marct9942 Ай бұрын
Brexit caller to LBC: "I'm going to call in to a national radio show spew falsehoods, ignorance and embarrass myself in front of the nation"
@Rik530D
@Rik530D Ай бұрын
We're not gonna make it are we? People i mean........
@3replybiz
@3replybiz Ай бұрын
'it is in your nature to destroy yourselves...'
@billysuter
@billysuter Ай бұрын
Starting a business from the ground up in this country has become impossible. Unless you have significant financial backing to hit the ground running you have no chance . This country is fast becoming an opertunity graveyard.
@PJ_UnderScore
@PJ_UnderScore Ай бұрын
James, just let them talk. Even if they are wrong
@jeremymerrifield7244
@jeremymerrifield7244 Ай бұрын
We don't like liars and fools talking thanks
@PJ_UnderScore
@PJ_UnderScore Ай бұрын
@@jeremymerrifield7244 I wouldn't know if he was lying as didn't hear what he had to say
@HowardGough
@HowardGough Ай бұрын
Fact - the majority of comments support James!
@MrRailjunkie
@MrRailjunkie Ай бұрын
He would have if he answered James's question.
@PJ_UnderScore
@PJ_UnderScore Ай бұрын
Hey, I'm a remain voting labour member, I'm just saying it's annoying when guests/callers are talked over before they can even make a point to dispute
@ecohipster7724
@ecohipster7724 Ай бұрын
It’s more than economic’s, we lost our European Rights and we lost most importantly, our freedom of movement which is so important to us younger generations and for people to retire the cheaper country. There’s no doubt that we are all worse off because of Brexit 😢
@Durka-Durka01
@Durka-Durka01 Ай бұрын
😂
@beetroot133
@beetroot133 Ай бұрын
Cry more
@beetroot133
@beetroot133 Ай бұрын
You can still travel without hindrance and retire I have many friends in France,Spain and Portugal that are retired....next
@paulharris2331
@paulharris2331 Ай бұрын
@beetroot133 Emphasis on already retired.
@paulhammond6978
@paulhammond6978 Ай бұрын
@@beetroot133 We're a third country now. You don't have freedom of movement and right to live anywhere in Europe. You now have to apply for a visa and do all the paperwork relevant to move to a foreign country. Straight up denial of the facts really doesn't count as an argument.
@nelty0987654321
@nelty0987654321 Ай бұрын
To Peter, saying you've answered the question is not an answer to the question 🙄
@Trebornudd69
@Trebornudd69 Ай бұрын
He’s afraid the caller is going to be right so he just talks over him. Let him make his point.
@michaelbeaver8281
@michaelbeaver8281 Ай бұрын
Brexit was a disaster for me. I started an electronics manufacturing company in 2012. We make innovative products. We exported to the EU. I got to see how easy it was to trade with EU countries. Then clueless idiots like Peter voted to leave the EU which made exporting a constant headache. My company is the type of company that people want; manufacturing, technology, R&D etc... This idiot would want my company. He's clearly too ignorant to understand the two things are at odds though.
@steveosborne2297
@steveosborne2297 Ай бұрын
People like him are still in total denial of all the problems that Brexit has caused
@georgebain5734
@georgebain5734 Ай бұрын
What problems?
@steveosborne2297
@steveosborne2297 Ай бұрын
@@georgebain5734 I hope that your reply was sarcasm not ignorance
@Mr-In-between
@Mr-In-between Ай бұрын
James O'BRIEN "I was working for the BBC ..I was impartial..."... Now that is funny
@chrisspencer6502
@chrisspencer6502 Ай бұрын
What did the remain campaign get wrong!? Please let me know. Now Can he explain one thing the leave campaign got right!?
@johnrussell3961
@johnrussell3961 Ай бұрын
The trusted that leave would debate facts , and not push a fiction..
@lasttempoinparis
@lasttempoinparis Ай бұрын
" _What did the Remain Campaign get wrong ?_ " Most of them believed the UK would rejoin after another Referendum or a change or Government.
@clario2178
@clario2178 Ай бұрын
They thought everyone were middle class w⚓️ like themselves.
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
@@clario2178 Brilliant. Cos the working class don't need money? Have they converted to communism and I was in the Westminster bubble and missed it?
@weswheel4834
@weswheel4834 Ай бұрын
As the caller said, some people who supported remain, such as Osborne, aren't economists, and got it wrong. Osborne got lots of things wrong, but it doesn't prove the other side right.
@dominus1204
@dominus1204 Ай бұрын
"I was working for the BBC at the time, so I was scrupulously impartial ..." ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@infinitel00p94
@infinitel00p94 Ай бұрын
james caught caught out and HATES it. you can tell what a clown
@rustynail1194
@rustynail1194 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@antonycraggs4041
@antonycraggs4041 Ай бұрын
It is worth remembering that Remain’s predictions were predicated on Leave’s lie that it would trigger Article 50 immediately (24 June 2016) and leave the EU two years later (24 June 2018). In practice, it balked (ostensibly because of the damage such a move would have), triggering it on 29 March 2017, only leaving 31 January 2020, with a transition period to 31 December 2020. As of today, it still has not implemented all of the measures necessary for Brexit, including inbound border controls. The reality is that Remain were right, Leave panicked and went for a slow puncture rather than a blow out.
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Ай бұрын
Did Peter climb out of his hole yet, or was it too deep?
@adewhite731
@adewhite731 Ай бұрын
What he means is: I’m alright jack. Might as well have been the Tory motto for the last decade.
@Culky
@Culky Ай бұрын
"Brexiters should admit their lies and mistakes, and remainers should admit to the lies and mistakes that we Brexiters are going to lie about you having made"
@snooker7915
@snooker7915 Ай бұрын
the delusion is strong in this one skywalker.
@CleverThoughts1
@CleverThoughts1 Ай бұрын
Love brexit calls
@TheZombieSaints
@TheZombieSaints Ай бұрын
Oh the fade out at the end! Priceless! 🤣 🤣 🤣
@Mogorman87
@Mogorman87 Ай бұрын
Somebody lost his farmer friends. And rightfully so. Angry bitter and ignorant.
@gabrielc1989w
@gabrielc1989w Ай бұрын
Peter spent a lot of time arguing tariff free or frictionless. But it’s disastrous for businesses either way.
@s11salemhassan
@s11salemhassan Ай бұрын
Un polite by James
@blackmagik6544
@blackmagik6544 Ай бұрын
These people are an absolute mess 😂
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