So here’s my mini stance on “cheesing” challenges: if a creator wants their challenge to only be beaten in 1 way, it’s up to them to test other towers not used in the challenge to prevent any alternate solutions. Unless they specify not to use a certain upgrade, I’d consider a challenge beaten no matter the method used to beat it. In this case I tried again just to see the real solution and came across 2 other solutions which IMO were just as good as the intended solution. That said, one gripe I have for challenges in general is when creators leave in a bunch of towers that aren’t used in the challenge at all for the sake of making it harder to find the actual towers you need to beat it. I like hard challenges, but not that kind of hard! If you are one of those that do that though then be prepared to accept the fact there may be another solution if you didn’t test the challenge enough.
@proto72275 жыл бұрын
ISAB true
@dylandevos74695 жыл бұрын
you never chees
@Tatercon5 жыл бұрын
If its in the challenge it isnt cheese unless its a unintended glitch that wins the game
@Mjkhh5 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. Every time I heard “Not intended solution” I was so irritated. Spend more time if you want only one solution.
@callum81475 жыл бұрын
Cheese is only unintended glitches if you ask me.
@lgnmcrules5 жыл бұрын
"Oh no, my poorly tested challenge was beaten in a way I didn't expect! The cheese!"
@LinksYTLink5 жыл бұрын
They should've tested it even further or just ignored the "cheese" OR made it have the "cheese" as one of multiple solutions.
@The-Omega-Blade5 жыл бұрын
"hE uSeD sOmEtHiNg ElSe, ChEeSe!"
@boblobgobstopper132145 жыл бұрын
Legend of the night you must be the creator of the challenge if you want to defend the guy so badly
@jeremydominguez6855 жыл бұрын
Legend of the night Isab only said I hope my challenge isn’t cheesable, Aliensrock is the one that said he found the cheese to Isab’s challenge
@sunnymaster69683 жыл бұрын
It was a lot harder when you could not restrict upgrades you could still make it work though
@CODPIMPS42105 жыл бұрын
Unless someone is exploiting a glitch, it’s not cheese it’s just a challenge that has multiple solutions. People who claim their challenge got cheesed are just bad at making challenges.
@LinksYTLink5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, thank you
@gildeddrake14795 жыл бұрын
unless they specify beforehand "don't use this path on this tower"
@CODPIMPS42105 жыл бұрын
Gilded Drake yes of course
@powerflame5 жыл бұрын
Gilded Drake yes. thank you.
@pitz9685 жыл бұрын
Even worse when the intended solution is the one requiring the 'glitch'. (I know it's not a real glitch but shh)
@EduMtz6585 жыл бұрын
They are called challenges, not riddles, if the person who plays it finds a way to beat it, then they win, if the creator doesn't wants some towers to get used, why even put them in the challenge in the first place? They should just keep testing them until they find a way to just be beaten 1 way and/or remove those towers that the creator are gonna consider "cheese towers"
@vgamerul46175 жыл бұрын
Vheese
@darkangeletna7295 жыл бұрын
I remember the days that "cheese" was something to put on a sandwich.
@paulcorla98634 жыл бұрын
Yes those were good days
@theepicbruhman22544 жыл бұрын
Nice one
@monstrocaio3 жыл бұрын
@@theepicbruhman2254 yeah lolollol
@willhelmiii13855 жыл бұрын
"oh no. you beat my challenge in an alternate way that is equally as hard and or possibly harder. THE CHEEEEEEESSSSEEEEEEE"
@yesyes3004 жыл бұрын
8:07 because he is canadian
@vjay44615 жыл бұрын
I feel if there is a really easy way to win a challenge that is meant to be hard, like using BMA sometimes, it is a cheese, however ISAB almost always uses something else that is equally or even more difficult than the intended solution, which is not cheese, just an alternate solution
@ThatWhiteGuy4445 жыл бұрын
When ISAB beats a challenge Nobody: Creator: That wasn’t the intended strategy
@AussieManChannel5 жыл бұрын
I don't see how its a cheese if it works! The whole idea is the beat the challenge and you did, not your fault
@iainbrady36295 жыл бұрын
But, that's what cheese means... When you beat something the unintended way.
@tovi32805 жыл бұрын
Fuzzy_Chicken but still, it ain’t a bad thing then
@ekkehard85 жыл бұрын
@@iainbrady3629 Cheese doesn't mean an unintended solution, to cheese means to use a cheap tactic such as an OP bug to beat the challenge. Many challenges actually require you cheesing it to solve it.
@pspsppsps86602 жыл бұрын
@Legend of the night... he just said that he hoped that aliensrock won't find a cheese in his challenge all he did was mention it what's wrong with that?
@exotemp59495 жыл бұрын
I beat the challenge with tsar bomba and 0-1-3 super. It took me 20-40 minutes to get the solution. I had the same idea as you, with tsar bomba and spike storm, but I did too much damage. I agree with your stance on cheese as well. As this game is a strategy game, it isn't like a platformer in which one path is intended to make the challenge difficult, in which cheese is a much better term. The challenge to beat a strategy game is to find a working strategy, not to find a specific way that the creator made.
@monkeyarch75105 жыл бұрын
ISAB: **does challenge in unintended way** Creators: “You weren’t suppose to do that”
@mikentikes115 жыл бұрын
You should have made the creators text bold
@Link90585 жыл бұрын
If a challenge has a “cheese” solution via mad micro, it’s not cheese, it’s micro
@gamerthatlives8125 жыл бұрын
An add right when he was going to use the tsar on the zomg
@krenze11644 жыл бұрын
Because he only did that once in the video
@aadibagga4404 жыл бұрын
Same
@RonZhang5 жыл бұрын
I still wish you could ban certain upgrades in challenges.
@PopeMical5 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to be able to give players a buffing alch or unstable concoction without having to worry about bloon master ruining the challenge.
@dapalmet33094 жыл бұрын
Now you can
@veryreallygoodname16764 жыл бұрын
U can
@theguythatasked64005 жыл бұрын
These challenges have lots of holes in them... that’s why you can cheese them.
@Ranto2945 жыл бұрын
>Can afford everything you need to kill B.A.D >Need to use cash drops to afford the same tower. Seems legit.
@KogasaTatara5145 жыл бұрын
DZSYFRT Point Six-Oh This is a fun little challenge I made, and it's quite fun to figure out. There's a hint in the name of the challenge, in case any of you get stuck.
@Adolesence5 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've been trying it and it's hard, what's 6, 0? I've been trying to figure out? Is it 4 2 0 or 2 4 0 on something?
@KogasaTatara5145 жыл бұрын
@@Adolesence It's a reference to the BTD5 Sniper upgrade, Point Five-Oh. It allows the Sniper to pop 7 layers. The upgrade exits in BTD6, but it's called Large Calibre instead. Point Five-Oh pops 7 layers... So I wonder what Point Six-Oh pops... 🤔
@Adolesence5 жыл бұрын
@@KogasaTatara514 Thanks for the hint 😀
@KogasaTatara5145 жыл бұрын
@@Adolesence You're welcome!
@4ky-u.u5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to be beaten without Pat?
@pondreezy5 жыл бұрын
Look, I'm not gonna say the round 100 BAD attracts me... wait, yes I am! 😘 😘 😘
@LinksYTLink5 жыл бұрын
@@qwertyman506 where's the image? I need to see this.
@RonZhang5 жыл бұрын
That’s a BAD idea, Dre
@jelenako.36395 жыл бұрын
So your saying you have a crush on a blimp, go home dre your drunk
@mikentikes115 жыл бұрын
@Bob Bob your an ass even if it's not a joke you should not fetish shame asshole
@DJTileTurnip5 жыл бұрын
Remember when Ice Towers were broken? So do I
@danielvantland5 жыл бұрын
They still are...
@meissmart66785 жыл бұрын
*Daniël VTL* Nah they’re much more balanced IMO. They can’t kill infinite ceramics with only 5k cash in this game.
@neethru.26615 жыл бұрын
@@meissmart6678 but why would nk will allowed that in btd6 xd
@danielvantland5 жыл бұрын
@@meissmart6678 the top path ice is glitched, so they actually can
@wenzhenng83964 жыл бұрын
9:04 i like the sticky ~isab, 2019
@The-Omega-Blade5 жыл бұрын
that 160 thousand one, i can tell that the creator didn't know what BMA is when he made it.
@Randomguyonthe_internet4 жыл бұрын
Isab sees bma Isab: I'm about to end this bloons whole career
@BrattierIce5 жыл бұрын
Wow that midroll ad was perfectly placed lmao
@sanfordlee75355 жыл бұрын
Hey Isab! I always remembered that you were Canadian for some reason. Just curious, are you studying in university right now? I always see some people playing Bloons at Waterloo hah!
@facemcshooty66024 жыл бұрын
So, you completed my challenge on a way i didnt intended? Uh, you cheese everything bro
@ComposerChronos5 жыл бұрын
I really love ISAB
@weedduck6194 жыл бұрын
There was an ad right as the tsar dropped
@foiled94915 жыл бұрын
me: read the title of the vid also me: *Cue the Vsauce theme*
@atomiclight85744 жыл бұрын
"Let's leave it on infinite" *leaves it on eight*
@personyes94993 жыл бұрын
ISAB:1-4-0 spike storm also ISAB: *continues to get a 2-4-0 spike storm*
@stevesamuals26515 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, to cheese w challenge would mean using a glitch to beat it. Other then that, anything listed in the challenge is visible.
@thomasbrittain90295 жыл бұрын
GZ and cripple works as well
@ax2k8605 жыл бұрын
ISAB: Uses viable fair alternate strategy because the creator was too lazy to check. Creator:cHheeEEEEEeSsSSsSEeEeE
@egulio5 жыл бұрын
Isab the king of alternative solutions ;)
@bluejayguy72354 жыл бұрын
maybe put perma spike in a place with lots of track so you have time to pirate lord it before the ddts pop
@Arcane_Undertale4 жыл бұрын
If a person claims an alternate solution is a cheese, I'll put in a sandwich and eat them like cheese :V
@neelkumar98394 жыл бұрын
Am i wrong or perma spike a little farther back with pirate lord to suck ddts then the zomgs later
@ayeterrr5 жыл бұрын
But isnt "a cheese way" basicly an alternate solution?
@slumber9325 жыл бұрын
no a "cheese way" is exploiting a bug/unintended mechanic of the game to beat something easier than normal. Alternate solutions that arent bugs are just that, alternate solutions.
@vgamerul46175 жыл бұрын
Yes it id
@1234pokemonrulz5 жыл бұрын
like the ice chinook thing was cool the first 5 times but its getting to a point where its a bit overused
@pedalbmx12345 жыл бұрын
Challenges of now: ICE AND HELI SELL + DUMB SNIPER BEFORE : ICE AND GLUE
@hazard23663 жыл бұрын
that bma thing there was hilarious i wonder uf the creator got pissed. ppl make challenges in like 5 minutes and wonder why its shit
@yigitalpcavdarfanfukboi62615 жыл бұрын
You can use 204 sniper in the long map
@thepurplemudkip99985 жыл бұрын
6:54 but it is???
@steampunkkitten26145 жыл бұрын
Guy doesn't test challenge correctly and so it gets beaten in another way: "CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE!!"
@srrrgo5 жыл бұрын
Who else go that add exactly when he drop the bomb
@polantcrumbosh38485 жыл бұрын
YT MYSTERY lol, i did
@vgamerul46175 жыл бұрын
Me
@Smurfblade5 жыл бұрын
do you like cheese? i do! cheese is cool - ISAB 2014
@wizz85125 жыл бұрын
Bruh so cheese it totally not my badly tested challenge I swear.
@1tsSpyder4 жыл бұрын
Lol can you imagine u made a 80 round challenge then someone got a somewhat different solution to u. Cheeeeeese!
@guyontheinternet58155 жыл бұрын
hey ISAB, can you play this challenge: RZSLCKB its pretty easy
@guyontheinternet58155 жыл бұрын
well i thoughts so ._.
@忽冷忽熱5 жыл бұрын
@@guyontheinternet5815 tht was so ez lmfao, moab glue then elim then ice and free tack
@kofta77185 жыл бұрын
So easy, just kill it with bomb ability and then the cerams with dissolver
@忽冷忽熱5 жыл бұрын
@@kofta7718 dissolver ruins the fun
@drklgnds18385 жыл бұрын
Imagine camo or regrow moabs
@pspsppsps86602 жыл бұрын
DDT are already camo regrow mobs would be broken like imagine popping a bfb then the moabs turns into 4 bfbs
@gCarrot2 жыл бұрын
@@pspsppsps8660 grow blocker, heart of oak.
@HES95 жыл бұрын
Cheesing is not a synonym for "alternate solution"..
@JareBareXP5 жыл бұрын
I dont think cheesing a map should be a bad thing it should be rewarded
@grubbygrub83325 жыл бұрын
its not even cheesing its the creators fault that there is another solution
@06bob5 жыл бұрын
Max ceram hp unfortified is 1200 and gz does 700
@lyrics2challenged5 жыл бұрын
Imagine arguing over who was first when ISAB posted 5 hours ago... Couldn't be me.
@olivertheolive23625 жыл бұрын
ikr
@Gatekeeper20135 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if you could say what towers the intended solutions uses, and then if you beat it with an alternate solution the screen would tell you that you won with an alternate solution, or the intended solution.
@dimensionaldoggo6375 жыл бұрын
my headphones are on the ENTIRE TIME
@CowyC5 жыл бұрын
ty for the phrase i was grade 5 when i used this phrase in a comic a comic about drugs actually... but its stick figures and its kinda for comedy :')
@venussolitana92464 жыл бұрын
9:15 isab is a hacker *confirmed*
@phungchau15095 жыл бұрын
Him : Don't bop it Me: lol
@TheAreamania5 жыл бұрын
Is it... cheesab?
@PhuongNguyen-pm3ye5 жыл бұрын
why no vsauce music?
@meet_cookie215 жыл бұрын
They should have called 5tier gz Hiroshima
@baileykeller2885 жыл бұрын
Here's a challenge for challenge makers, make a challenge that requires a 5 0 2 village
@davemytnick89865 жыл бұрын
I've tried finding a 2nd solution for one of mine for a while now. I wanna see if anyone can find a way to beat it other than the one I got. GZCDLXR
@Cjamhampton5 жыл бұрын
I managed to beat it using a Tsar Bomba to take care of the ddt wave and then buying level 20 Ezili and Hexing the bads. I assume this is the intended strat though considering it left me with exactly $200. My closest attempts besides this were an antibloon with an energizer sub and a tsar bomba with a preemptive strike. I don't think either of these combos could actually work though.
@davemytnick89865 жыл бұрын
@@Cjamhampton that was my solution. Buy 20 with bomb money
@el-yerba-buena96785 жыл бұрын
The Binding of ISAB ReISAB
@DeJay78 ай бұрын
It's not the "unintended solution" that is annoying to hear. It's the idea that the unintended solution is somehow not acceptable as a solution that irritates a lot of people, including me. So I couldn't agree more with ISAB's comment.
@SimplyIbruh4 жыл бұрын
*Vsauce intensefies*
@snuggsnuggs11105 жыл бұрын
I'm also Canadian, yay.
@colem2094 жыл бұрын
Why am I binging this guys vids, I’m so confused
@Timochat_5 жыл бұрын
Bro you failed 2 times, your challenge is certified garbo
@coolyahbrothers34115 жыл бұрын
Isab has cheese
@Turtle8285 жыл бұрын
Okay i understand the fact that you can be upset that someone cheesed your challenge once, but if you have to redo it multiple times then idc fix your challenge
@legendarytronic77745 жыл бұрын
pause at 1:11 is it just me or does that look like something else?
@tovi32805 жыл бұрын
Look like what??
@jasonarkamen36605 жыл бұрын
I beat this on my first try
@hielum13373 жыл бұрын
"cheese"
@IceyX545 жыл бұрын
I Am Canadian too
@hundredpie1594 жыл бұрын
Isab does the challenge then does it on a different map and does it wrong lol
@anonymousrealhuman59485 жыл бұрын
BMA THE BAD.
@insertstonkhere50822 жыл бұрын
💀
@freezi79193 жыл бұрын
Just let people have other solutions,my friend played my challenge and found a non-intended solution involving Wall Street life magic,I let him get the win ://
@Catani995 жыл бұрын
Cheese...
@cr54825 жыл бұрын
I'm do in a video
@lyrics2challenged5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@tovi32805 жыл бұрын
Turhan Henderson what??
@doritoweekly22555 жыл бұрын
Can you please do my challenge PZDSERX
@J-Dawg59635 жыл бұрын
My canadian brother
@tucker21385 жыл бұрын
3:28 :)
@adamkleber43555 жыл бұрын
7:43 got two long unskippable ads
@Ryno-hf9tj5 жыл бұрын
I have a challenge for you BZSLCCL
@Frrixy5 жыл бұрын
Gouda
@russiancat46325 жыл бұрын
#SubToTyler
@vgamerul46175 жыл бұрын
98% comments - that ain't cheese 1% comments - anti-vax kid will kill Trump 1% comments - this shit
@luxymathew5 жыл бұрын
BMA
@invertedcrayon5 жыл бұрын
How the fuck is that cheese if you failed to properly test your challenge?