Raora Didn't Speak Any English 4 Years Before Joining HoloEN... 【Raora / Hololive EN】

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[@ZenithintheMaking]

THIS GOOD IN ONLY 4??? She's not to be underestimated. She's good!

[@EndoftheBeginning17]

Listen to how she did how she did it she immersed herself she spent the last 3 years streaming her art and having conversations with English speaking people while doing commissions for various VTubers.

[@ZenithintheMaking]

@@EndoftheBeginning17 Legit. It's not like she was bookworming the whole time, she was just doing her thing and interacting with people and media to catch on! That's what's impressive. 😌 If she can then I can too

[@VampyrMygg]

Her PL is pretty well known, as she was a well known model mama for fairly big EN VTubers, like Zen and Ironmouse. But it's hard to not spoil for folks wo don't like knowing PL >.< But it's safe to say she was an active streamer who streamed in English, even when collabing with other Italian VTubers.

[@FlipTheBard]

​@@VampyrMygg What "PL" means

[@kyorifedericohugh4197]

Past life

[@ConstantioMahardika]

If she's worried about her accents, tell her to keep her accents.. That's what's makes her unique and accepted to hololive from thousands of others..

[@majesticfox]

She and Ina are pretty hard to understand when they starts to slur the pronounciation. But raora's accent isn't a problem, yes. All of justice member has unique way of speaking, which is fun.

[@ransan]

I've seen similar sentiments around Henya. People adore her accent and unique way of speaking and they'd be quite sad when her speech quirks go away. I feel the same way honestly. With both Henya and Raora.

[@pixelspy5791]

Yeah I really like her accent as it is. Its strong but she's very good about annunciation so I have no issues understanding her. Also it's her heritage, she should embrace it and be proud of it.

[@Bam_Bizzler]

Her accent is pretty nice honestly

[@BLACKLOTUS46]

Could be French accents lol

[@astrealove2247]

So around the time Myth started is when Raora started learning. And then she watched Ina's art streams to get better at art. This is just the proof that you can do anything that you set your mind to.

[@wongkeebs4327]

My head canon is mammamia was directly caused by Ina art streams

[@josephbulkin9222]

but apparently they still can't show their faces.

[@cucumbermainline]

⁠@@josephbulkin9222 are you serious? vtubers who did a face reveal are the MINORITY in the industry, there's even only a few among well known twitch vtubers who did it. Just watch flesh streamers dude there's no need to push that in vtubing when anonymity and safety has always been the number 1 appeal of vtubing.

[@NerissaRavencroftJailbird]

​@@josephbulkin9222THAT'S the point of Vtubing. Besides..safety is one reason people keep their faces hidden.

[@josephbulkin9222]

@@NerissaRavencroftJailbird safety. What a joke. I showed my face on my channel And I still feel safe It's an excuse for them to act like degenerates behind a mask and a fake name

[@anewfuture]

So she couldn't speak English, when hololive English began. That is dedication. I can understand her clearly. While English is a somewhat complicated language, one of the benefits of it, is that you can more easily infer context even when certain sounds are missing. On occasion, I can't understand every word Raora says, but that is true of pretty much all English speakers, with the exception of people like Fauna who pronounce every syllable on a regular basis.

[@CobraAce04]

Reminds me of the Japanese viewers who and I quote “learned English to watch the shark and the detective”

[@uNs7oPaBL3]

Max respect to Raura for 4 years learning EN to this lvl smart panther. Ngl the best way to learn a language is by daily consuming something super enjoyable being spoken in that langues that's how i learn English back in the day before highscool teaching it from watching Cartoon Network non stop and later at least speaking and understanding JP from watching animes in JP as most EN dubs simply sucked a while back and shows in JP language with no subs needed anymore.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@uNs7oPaBL3 In the same vein, JP vtubers are a top notch method to practice listening to Japanese with.

[@uNs7oPaBL3]

@@DinnerForkTongue yes absolutely

[@Icetea-2000]

That is insane actually, 2020 doesn’t even feel that long ago

[@HuffdrewPaint]

That's... pretty friggin impressive

[@rickd908]

Honestly I like her accent a lot too.. it feels very comfy

[@Immopimmo]

Reminds me of Kiaras accent. ❤

[@kyuven]

This is what "motivation" can do. All the cool stuff is in English, and there's so much material available. Plus, as a European, she doesn't "start from zero" like people in many other countries do, or like people who want to learn a drastically different language not present where they live do. Italy shows American movies, and people there read English books. And schools teach English. Italy is the 35th most proficient country in the world for ESL. For reference hololive fans would get, Japan is 87 and Indonesia is 79. So she has a lot more support and her "zero" is a much more scaffolded "zero" than Japan's "zero." So 4 years SOUNDS impressive...but realistically it's more like "4 years of actual focused training after neglecting it until then". A-chan's progress is a lot more impressive IMO, from my perspective as an ESL teacher. Also she did EXACTLY what you should do to improve language! Surround yourself with that language AND USE IT! Language isn't just facts to learn, it's skills to practice and muscles to keep in shape. Reading a book about lifting weights isn't going to magically make you able to life 100kg and reading Genki isn't going to magically make you able to perform Manzai. YA GOTTA USE THAT SHIT, YO!

[@-ZH]

Not sure she learned it in school though, considering she said she didn’t speak a single word.

[@VVV.12345]

@@-ZH It's *impossible* that she didn't study it at school She most likely studied superficially to pass tests, without any real engagement After the tests were done, she probably forgot everything. Repeat as needed I had a pair of friends like that

[@inkcat7]

​@@-ZH i want to add that the quality of education isn't always great... of course this might vary from area to area, and i'm sure there's good teachers out there! but the ones i've had were all incompetent, even though my high school specialized in foreign languages. i didn't learn anything in school. it's pretty sad :/

[@Iqnacio.]

This much improvement in 4 years doesn't "sound" impressive, it *is* impressive period. I'm not sure what's the point in comments like this one, on one hand you ended it by recognizing she did things as "you should" but at the same time it honestly comes across like you're trying to downplay it for no real reason. To begin with, it's quite the generalization to think that because a country has a good ESL proficiency score, everyone from there has a relatively good understanding of the language or a good "basic knowledge", for starters cause these rankings are usually somewhat "padded" just from the nature of how they are measured, since it's either measured through things like school or college tests where their knowledge is fairly more fresh in their minds and/or higher than the average person, or from people _choosing_ to take other tests which implies that they are people with *at the very least* a slightly stronger interest in the language and/or their proficiency level than the average citizen that doesn't even know about those tests. Plus, I don't really see much of a point in making a comparison with A-chan (or comparing anyone to anyone else for that matter) since each person is different and we don't know anything about their specific contexts growing up or the level of English education in their schools, nor what things they had access to while improving their ESL proficiency (as an example just "consuming" the language on your own is way harder than doing so while being guided by a teacher). In other words even IF she had a somewhat better English education and using the same example you made, she could have effectively been the equivalent to "I used to lift about 5kg 10 years ago" and then going from no exercise at all in 10 years to lifting 100kg in 4 years, sure that's not going from "absolute zero" as it's a tiny bit easier to regain muscle than starting from scratch, but it's still starting as close to zero as you can get. Since she said she didn't speak a single word beyond the most basic knowledge possible, her case seems to be something along those lines.

[@chuketsu1458]

​@@Iqnacio.I completely agree with u on that. I've seen multiple comments who say it's "easy" but it's not because it's easy for you that everyone should have 0 trouble to learn it. Just show some appreciation to someone who's passionnate to the point to learn a new language is just fine! We all struggles on things so why not just encourage others rather than down speak them.. 😔

[@TheCasualSubculturist]

British? American? Oh you mean Great Exardian and Freesian!

[@ConstantioMahardika]

How about Nortwest Passages ? Fuwamoco one 😂

[@NucleaRaptor]

*High Gothic and Low Gothic

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@NucleaRaptor Isn't High Gothic just Pig Latin?

[@TheCasualSubculturist]

@@ConstantioMahardika Noeh

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Rubberross language. That train has sailed.

[@zeilus405]

Only 4 years to be this proficient in English...now Im motivated to learn Japanese! Hopefully I can also be just as proficient XD

[@Berttiz]

ganbatte

[@enashimo]

Goodluck with your journey dude.. Hiragana and Katakana are easy to learn, but stuff like grammar and especially Kanji are the biggest roadblocks (mostly due to needing to memorize it)

[@huuthien2911]

I afraid that Japanese gonna take more than that, if you want to be fluent. Otherwise, I think 2 years learning is enough for communication. It took me roughly 6 years to reach JLPT N2.

[@dingusuhum]

don't worry about "fluent", worry about "communicative." as long as you can understand people and they can understand you, even if you struggle sometimes, that's the goal, and once you can communicate with others, you will naturally keep progressing and building your repertoire. and as for this or that language being hard, just remember - if babies can learn it, so can you.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I've been studying Japanese since about March last year. Learned the writing system completely self-taught using an old online blog's classes, and eight months of arduous constant practice later in late October, I hired a tutor for private classes so I could learn grammar and practice speaking the correct way. Now he says I'm at the level of Nihongo that would take most people 3 to 4 years 🤯 I'm not sure if he was just being nice, though. 日本語は難しいですがとてもやりがいですよ。So if you enjoy the language, keep on practicing and it WILL pay off. がんばって！

[@buta606]

Raora's English is really good. She gets across her thoughts perfectly well and has no trouble understanding others. She has a heavy accent, but it's not a downside in my opinion because it's very pleasant to listen to. Where's the fun if everyone sounds the same? One of the cool things about the new HoloEN gen is the diverse range of accents.

[@jintsuubest9331]

This accent is very understandable compare to most collage professor.

[@timoth4529]

Thats roughly how everyone who can speak english in Europe learns it, TV shows and KZbin videos. I also learned it through watching cutscene compilations of Video games.

[@SayaViking]

In Sweden we learn it in first or second grade in school all up to the end of high school (at least when I went through it, though it may be different now), but of course we watch alot of different shows and play games etc to learn more. But for her to do it by herself in 4 years to be this good is impressive!

[@minefish]

​@@SayaVikingin Norway, we also have English in our schools, but I pretty much learned in the same way as the original commenter did

[@Irn0x]

Although it's a mandatory class where I live, I felt my English level skyrocket when I started playing Runescape

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I learned English just to play video games. Starting with OG Quake, Jazz Jackrabbit and Slave Zero, I remember those well.

[@ripizhonubi7472]

it's mostly like that in latam too

[@oratorelexch.4822]

In this stream she gave a lot of motivation and encouragement, to study languages and practice art. We all need this at times

[@mhidden00]

Being able to speak another language at a conversational level within four years is already quite exceptional. Good for you Raora.

[@Tahanok2]

The only other Italian vtuber I know, Panko, did something similar. Learned it to become a content creator.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Although Panko was a lot faster in learning and has practically no accent. Though we don't know how she learned it, compared to Raora.

[@404awesomenotfound7]

@@DinnerForkTongue panko definitely is an anomaly in this case, Im guessing that she straight up mimics the pronunciation of natives from the get-go to "get it right the first time round", which is no easy feat.

[@Tahanok2]

@@404awesomenotfound7 She learns a lot from asking her chat too.

[@bug5654]

​@@Tahanok2...usually being 'accidentally' lewd in the process.

[@Egg-san]

The way she talks was kinda hot, ngl

[@kuminanida333]

I mean....you are not wrong

[@idunnoy]

That's the 🤌🤌 for you

[@randomusername5633]

Ayo this man’s speaking nothing but facts

[@rinreborn7364]

I would

[@jonmarkoh]

I started learning japanese a little under 4 years ago myself and can barely speak it because I hadn't been too serious about it. Seeing her fluency is very admirable and her dedication is very apparent. Loving Raora.

[@jackenboot]

Same We gotta find a way to use it bro, otherwise the skills won’t stick Just like how she decided to streamed in English

[@linklegend50]

He accent is sooo cute, I couldn’t do without it honestly!

[@CupOfWhiskey]

I KEEP HEARING TOWA 🫠🫠🫠

[@orange501]

i'm brazilian and i basically learned english watching hololiveEN and clips from hololiveJP with english subtitles, so thanks clippers

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Faz quantos anos? Porque teu inglês tá impressionante.

[@orange501]

​@@DinnerForkTongue 3 anos basicamente, e foi um side effect pq eu n tava com mta intensão de aprender, foi totalmente na base de ver uma palavra que n sabia e colocar no google tradutor

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@orange501 Que top! É assim que a gente começa mesmo. Cultiva essa curiosidade que você vai longe 😄

[@orange501]

@@DinnerForkTongue então, eu diria q foi umas das melhores coisas q eu fiz na minha vida e foi sem querer kkk

[@SiliconChipCookie]

This nocturnal cat has one hell of a drive! Quite an inspiration especially for her art (she could draw without construction lines quickly and smoothly!!!!)! Her personality glows extremely bright to me, quite the sunshine!

[@NochanIsMe]

she is slowly becoming one of my top en favorites.

[@entroop]

Hololive talents are just built different. Amazing

[@ethanfreeman1106]

So inspiring 🥺

[@Sam22112]

i love her so much literally the best thing to happen in a while

[@baguette_pep]

i love her so much and she drops more and more skills on us. shes such a lovely car.

[@Ragnell123]

Wow, now that's motivation.

[@franks777_KFP]

Advantage in europe is that you're never far from English content. Countries like ita, de, fra might dub a lot of stuff but you can just turn on Netflix to learn. Harder to learn jp that way.

[@HaesslichG]

Oshii value up.

[@Zolfried]

Been with her all 4 years. Can confirm she’s an inspiration to us all

[@kriegsmann5145]

Man her laugh is too sweet and adorable

[@bug5654]

She's more fluent in giggles than I ever could be.

[@LuckySevenSamson]

True dedication and grit.

[@lnguyen4982]

She's so cool, cute & admirable.

[@LilCeng]

I like her accent that's what make her unique. 4 years to learn English that's dedication

[@progisloveprogislife4501]

So proud of our little cat mamma.

[@BongWatah]

In the context of streaming for hololive, her accent is an asset

[@blackfirehedgehog7725]

Rao's accent is very pleasant to listen to in English. Impressed she learned all this in 4 years.

[@ayyypon9688]

Damn she really is something else. What an amazing cat

[@PlushLordOfTheSeas]

only four years!? wow, she's a lil smartie huh

[@aceofacez10]

that's awesome

[@RayneHellfire]

OH MY GAW! 🤯 Only 4 years, self taught?!

[@BLACKLOTUS46]

I to learned English and I am so happy I did 🇨🇭my first language is French D:

[@bxtz9800]

All the more reason for her to invest in her BEEF PC! It really was a huge moment for her. She earned it.

[@quanghiendo1075]

as an English learner, the only thing I notice abt Rara English is how she uses the tenses so well. That's what impress me the most as i've been learning English for a long time and still struggle with tenses when talking.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Prioritizing grammar and syntax is, to me at least, key. Pronunciation, accent and other such window dressings can come later, once you've got the framework down pat. This worked for me with English, and it's working smoother than an engine with Japanese.

[@M.Haru13]

i can relate to her, i learnt and improve my english in around half a year in pandemic isolation times. The reason is just because i was bored to death at that time, so i started to play visual novel games, then translate them word by word with google translate

[@M.Haru13]

my writing and speaking are such, though

[@ViewtifulCloak]

It’s like every day there’s a new reason to see how amazing she is.

[@Dave01Rhodes]

She's fantastic. All of Justice is fantastic. How does Hololive keep doing this!?

[@daveroberson7386]

Roara's done an amazing job in learning an entire language in only 4 years so major kudos to her! 👏

[@RandomUserX99]

Since she live in Japan I expect her to speak Japanese soon too 😂

[@tubao226]

Her accent is pretty strong, but it's very very cute 😊

[@BlAdeZ197]

That's insanely impressive. I wish I could be able to learn Japanese this fast

[@MakotoTheKnight]

Her English is leaps and bounds ahead of my Italian, that's for sure. Very dedicated, I'm impressed! But for real though, listening to people have conversations is the path forward to language comprehension. It's also why I try to watch the JP streams to understand more Japanese, and I think it helps a ton.

[@DragonxFlutter]

Raora accent is super cute! I love it so much!

[@RubyRoks]

She's much better at English than I am at Japanese in a similar timeframe. She must have put in a lot of effort. Good for her :)

[@paulandersbullecer3152]

They are the start to the creation of HoloEU

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

Pretty amazing that she's come this far. Goes to show how much she cared. There are people who "study English" at actual English schools and then proceed to never use it or try to immerse themselves in the language, and it shows.

[@wolfwoof4446]

Not only shes able to convey what she wants, speak with good pronunciation, and have decent grammar, shes also able to understand english innuendos and slang which i think is really good for only 4 years of learning. Heck, ive been speaking english almost my whole life and i still dont have good grammar…

[@spacecats3236]

Someone clipped it from stream lets goooo

[@rOvertJustice]

The one benefit to English is that despite being a jacked up language that often has weird quirks to it; it is everywhere and there are roots that are widely used in other languages that translate to english somewhat well.

[@sehmltn]

Actually cracked

[@naruto16112]

Around the time it took me to learn, based

[@sonicjerry]

Learning English in 4 years and now being part of Hololive EN is super amazing of Raora. Her English is really good and her accent is very relaxing and very enjoyable to listen to. I don't see her having any trouble learning Japanese during her time with Hololive.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

If I had a nickel for every Italian cutie patootie that learned English by herself in very few years to be an EN vtuber, I'd have a Phineas & Ferb bit. *EDIT:* For those not in the know, the other girl I meant is Komachi Panko of Phase Connect. There's clips where she discusses with chat how much English she has learned from only _one_ year of practice. It's astounding.

[@roco9504]

That’s the fastest “Slow”

[@chaosmalefic]

Cute TT__TT

[@vanteal]

She's really good for being self taught, and it's easy to understand every word she says.

[@yugoxgc]

Im not sure if she's aware of justhow much we love her accent. She doesn't understand her own power 😱💕💕💕

[@TheSpongyMallard]

I hope she keeps her accent.

[@TF_NowWithExtraCharacters]

Oh this is going to be fun when she interacts with the JP members. Watch them wrap their head around the idea of a kaigai Holomem who only learnt to speak eigo 4 years ago (and for most of them that's within their time with Holo)

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Calli has a past as English teacher IIRC, I hope she gets to hear about this.

[@raph8505]

dont ask me why cuz i cant explain it myself but there's something about Raora's accent thats soo alluring and cute like when she talks, my brain imagines a pink small-size big fluffy panther kitten having fun

[@RadDudeTeamate]

Lady learned English throughout the pandemic that's so cool

[@Zurph-qs1te]

Doesn't italian school have mandatory English classes?

[@feifongwong4519]

It changed during the years, but yeah English is now taught since elementary school, but is not mandatory later. On middle school you study two languages (English is mandatory as one) and in high school it depends on the kind of school.

[@emib6599]

I also stated learning english few years after school, by watching KZbin and then discord

[@broadbandislife]

That's both impressive dedication and impressive "ear for language" as I believe the trait is called. She'll likely pick up basic Japanese fluency pretty quickly once she starts having more contact with that branch (and probably already has certain low-level grasp absorbed from anime etc. assuming she's been sticking to subtitled versions).

[@MettanAtem]

That puts her ahead of some of her JP senpais, I think.

[@AlexorPwnsAll]

Ain’t no way I could communicate in Italian at this level in 4 years. She’s insanely talented!

[@TheRealTonie]

Is that surprising? I remember it took me two months from not being able to understand a single sentence to communicating freely and being the best in my class at English in high school. Before I was actually (forced) to study German at school and I didn't like it so I just barelly passed it every time.

[@VPCh.]

Just a heads up, there is a copyright troll that seems to be falsely sending copyright claims on the BGM she uses. DOVA syndrome allows the use of their music, but someone is doing it and pretending to be them.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Thanks for the PSA, VP.

[@saitohsuzu4801]

Tbh I'm still sometimes confused between british accent and australian accent before noticing the diffence in the words

[@cjnf11]

More like 5 at this point.. And she had English at school, she just didn't care about it and the teacher wasn't good either. Same as me suddenly getting German in 8 and 9 grade, even though my brain already got used to English way too much (as a second language). So I don't know German, despite "studying" it at school in the past.

[@Yenly4game]

she's doing hand gesture, isn't she

[@Pseudowolf]

This reminds me of a co-worker who was a native Spanish speaker & said that learning Italian actually helped him learn English. He recommended it as a “transition” language between English and Spanish.

[@kittyangymumeiworshipper7556]

SHE'S TOWA DOPPELGANGER CONFIRMED

[@foxy126pl6]

Ive been learning english since the age of 5, and we speak on pretty much the same lvl 😭

[@SleazyShell]

Oof, 4 years ago would have been right when the pandemic was worst in Italy, I remember it got really bad there. Probably no coincidence she got into streaming I guess.

[@yesthatpaul]

Self-taught fluent in 4 years, that's commitment.

[@FromTheDeck]

I always tell my students that accents are important, as long as people can understand you, you're safe. And Raora's accent is not only understandable, it's cute

[@cheemslord9917]

i love her english accents

[@rozthepuffer1037]

If you took 2-3 hours a day to learn a language, continuously for 3-4 years, you definitely can speak it as well as Raora speaks english right now. It does take me around the same time too to learn Mandarin as my 3rd language. With dedication anything is possible, stay hard 💦

[@audiencesmember]

Nooo waaaay

[@Acro_YT]

Essentially, she learned English through immersion/CI.

[@TrojanSalesmen1]

There are many Brit accents ED BOY! and a good chunk sounds oof lol

[@norad_clips]

If I had a nickel for every Italian girl that learned English to join an EN vtuber branch I’d have two nickels

[@KingAC96]

She's a quick learner after all, learned for 4 years now fluent in English. Impressive

[@greenbean0940]

Man my mother tonuge is category V and I have spent 12+years in school and used tons of money to learn this FUCKING language but still suck and can't speak properly.. at least I can undestand half of this, It was worth it.

[@klondikesaloon7026]

I wonder what shows she watched to learn.

[@demonic_myst4503]

The charming one is ipa thats the acent rin and our scarlet queen elizabeth have the posh one The innit stuff is more cockney and slang from lower class areas which have harder to understand acents

[@ProtoArrow]

Damn she's good at English for only having 4 years of experience

[@saryakan]

Panthera, justice no zuno...?

[@user-ug4vb3dh5g]

Before she says anything about accent, all I hear is normal english. Now I can't unsee that the way she says has "accent" that's different than anyone else. I think it's normal for you to just hear it as normal when you live in a country full of different accent be it your native language or english 😅