LORGAR AURELIAN - The Urizen | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

Ironically, Lorgar was right about faith, as it’s what’s keeping the Imperium together these days.

[@4starseniormasterspecialist]

For sure! And the Big golden Daddy didn't even correct him when he first met him! He threw an entire RELIGIOUS festival in his honor and dude just sat there.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

Ironically, it was ultimately his original teachings that have laid the foundation for the modern imperium

[@logancaine9616]

Well faith and a massive ass load of weaponry.

[@4starseniormasterspecialist]

Belief in the Warhammer universe is stronger than any weapon the empirium could ever come up with.

[@4starseniormasterspecialist]

I've asked before. Do you think the gal vorback actually interacted with the infant primarchs and broke the geller field? Or was it just a vision?

[@datemasamune2904]

So much could be avoided if Emperor just sat down and talked to his sons. XD

[@MrOgyny]

Or they could have not been cunts

[@boydsinclair7606]

Fun fact: Word Bearers repainted their armour red as a sign of their new loyalty, the World Eaters just stopped cleaning theirs 😅

[@Corrosion15]

Lol. That's kinda hilarious

[@dittmar104]

@@Corrosion15it’s more they physically can’t pull themselves out of the rage long enough to look after their basic needs

[@Corrosion15]

@dittmar104 which is a lot less funny, honestly I feel the most sorry for world eaters.

[@dittmar104]

@@Corrosion15 they’re definitely the most tragic. Probably next being dark angels or thousands sons

[@Corrosion15]

@@dittmar104 agreed. Tho I guse warhammers gonna warhammer

[@madmike7029]

Lorgar was the one and only character who was right from start to finish.

[@ianharrison5758]

He was less RIGHT, and more not wrong. There’s about a thousand good reasons humanity is better off not knowing about chaos, or at the very least not worshipping them.

[@nomus1172]

Though that doesn’t really matter when a third of the population are psykers and when your leaders have warp powers

[@OuterRimPride]

there wasn't a single way in which Lorgar was right

[@nomus1172]

@@OuterRimPride meh he did do some good in a sense. He unknowingly converted the planet he was on from chaos to worshiping the emperor

[@StoneStraiff]

That's what you took from this 🤣 🤦‍♂️

[@ConceptsCool4993]

Lorgar was right about the emperor: he's called the anathema by abstractions on the spectrum of chaos, his avatar is psychically viewed differently by everyone and the existence of keeler during the heresy before he even got on the throne and started being worshipped implies his power is beyond time, space and so forth, something only an omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent abstract concept limited in avatar space (like how your 3d body can't enter 2d paper but can draw a character for yourself) would be. The tragedy is that order as an abstract is very stingy, and if he needs to deny his people's spiritual needs and desires to deny the corrupted avatars potential power, so be it. Of course lorgar didn't know that, which plays into the tragedy of his character even more, because he was the emperor's will to find the truth no matter what and ironically enough: he did just that, it's just he let it go in the end to serve corrupt avatars ruined by a millions of years long war Millenias prior to the rest of warhammer.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

let it go? no... he clung onto the truth no matter how ugly it was... that was his tragedy.

[@MandoMTL]

That explanation of the Emperor as a metaphysical entity manifested in the physical realm makes so much sense and ties a lot of the lore together for me.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

​@@MandoMTL LMAO "the metaphysical was made into the physical" ~ "the Logos was made into Material" ~ "the Word was made into Flesh"

[@Jokkefanten]

Really good analysis!

[@ConceptsCool4993]

@@Jokkefanten thanks! When you know platonic concepts mixed with string theory and apply it to actual gods in fiction, people look at me like I'm a weirdo, so I really appreciate the rare instance of kind words from people, have a fantastic day you magnificent person!

[@Nandorgrand2]

"All I ever wanted was the truth" And as Jack Nicholson would say: "You can't handle the truth!"

[@ahc1230]

Lorgar is one of my favorite traitor primarch

[@sketch6360]

I've been studying Warhammer 40k for around the years and have listened to a lot of lore but I think yourself and maybe one or two others are the greatest of the devoted of the creators. I've listened to almost your entire list of content and I just wasted to take some time and thank you. You've taught me a lot and I've enjoyed every second of it.

[@4starseniormasterspecialist]

He was failed at the start. He is definitely one of the Fallen my heart broke for.

[@amandag.6186]

@@4starseniormasterspecialist someone say... Fallen?

[@ZerrikanianWiedzimin]

As a huge Chaos fan, the word Bearers are among my favourite Traitor legions.

[@MADSAHAD]

Ok, it has taken me a long time to be able to sit down and listen to this one. I have been a member if the the WH49K community for 30 yrs this coming summer, so I have been witness to all the lore as it came out and all of the changes WH40K has gone through. The Emperor and the Primarchs are amazing to say the least. The Primarchs were made as the Emperor's attempt to be able to govern the Imperium once the Crusade was over, in the Crusade, they were to be his top Generals. They also had a small amount of the Emperor in them, his hopes, dreams, visions, etc. We all know this, I honestly can look at any of the other 17 Primarchs and their Legions and find something that I can say "Yes, I agree with that and I can totally see myself collecting and playing that legion!" Except the 17th, The Word Bearers and Lorgar, I can not. In fact, when I started collecting and building my WH40K armies no matter which faction I picked, I always saw my army fighting the Word Bearers and what I needed to crush them utterly. Early in the 2nd Edition days, I would seek out players that had Word Bearer armies and play against them, in the back of my mind, I wanted, I needed to defeat them as if it would erase the taint of them from WH40K, to stop people from fielding Word Bearer armies. As time past, I learned more and more about them and the other legions as more and more info came available, and now, thanks to people like The Remembrancer, the Primarchs are being fleshed out. You can see and understand the motivations that drove one Primarch to stay loyal while another turned traitor. But Lorgar and 17th, can not get over that hump, I can not understand him and or them. I still ask myself, what part of the Emperor is Lorgar supposed to be? Lorgar saw the Emperor the same way a young boy would see his larger than life father. He saw Emperor as a Superhero figure, I too looked up to my father in that way until I reached a level of maturity and my father and I sat a spoke. I saw him in a different way, he was still a figure of awe to me but also a man. Granted the Emperor is no ordinary man but Lorgar should have reached a level of understanding and not at least a level of respect for the Emperor and obeyed the Emperor's wishes for the time being. Lorgar was given enough chances to conform to the Emperor's plans, but Lorgar thought that he knew better, so we have what we have here, a hit mess! P.S. I still like blasting Word Bearers in the face with Twin-Linked Lascannon😜

[@godkilla206]

I love your work...mad respect remembrancer

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I know I'm probably gonna get shot by The Inquisition for this but....LORGAR WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! FAITH IS THE ONE THING HOLDING THE IMPERIUM TOGETHER!

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

🔫😌

[@involuntaryanalysis]

Yes, inquisitor this one, right here.

[@crewie94]

If anything, surely the Inquisition would support your faith in the God-Emperor? The Emperor himself however, would likely have you Phospexed into the warp.

[@GoDSkRiLLa69]

Just at the intro - but your voice for Lorgar is absolutely perfect in my humble opinion! Shook me!

[@mandroid-rb4uy]

Hello Remembrancer the Primarchs have such deep rich Lore you are a Master StoryTeller and really brings out the subtle traits that define such complex characters a lot of research went into every videos and it shows Quality content

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

Emperor did deny his divinity to Lorgar few times, but it didn't matter, for it only made Lorgar believe his divinity even more. Emperor saying "I am no god" Only made Lorgar believe it even more, for only truly divine could show such astronomical levels of humility.

[@emperor002002]

Thank you for this well produced review about Lorgar.

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

Oh, how the Imperium truly needs Pre-Traitor Lorgar to rekindle the faith and become stronger than ever in resistance to Chaos and temptation.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

"All I ever wanted is the truth...", proceeds to beat Lorgar with a baseball bat aptly named "The Truth".

[@jamesneese7663]

His Holy Inquisition endorses this comment with the utmost approval.

[@W1s3F0x]

Now attend your local Inquisitor for your reward execution.

[@StoneStraiff]

So satisfying

[@Kyser666]

The background music on this video is incredible

[@4starseniormasterspecialist]

If anyone hasn't you must read/listen to The First Heretic. The beginning alone will suck you right into the world of the word bearers and make you run the gauntlet with them.

[@quintinjansevanvuuren9638]

He set out to find the truth and the truth was horrifying. He got what he wanted. His objectives and that of his Legion was secured. The Gods have their feast of misery as they pick humanity's bones clean. Lorgar was right. The Word Bearers were the only ones who walked away from the Heresy with anything that resembled victory. But despite all that they're still lost and damned. They're favoured servants of the Pantheon who would see the entire galaxy mired in strife and suffering. They knew and understood this and still signed off on the death of their species. They won. But at a cost nobody could or should have had to pay. This is what Warhammer is. It's dark, bleak and hopeless. For everyone. There are no winners. There is only rage against the dying of the light. If I wanted a happy ending I'd go watch Star Wars.

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

Exactly. There are definite "bad guys" in 40K but there are no real "good guys." Its basically dark gray vs. black. It is "grimdark", afterall!

[@StoneStraiff]

He definitely did not win. If anything it was a stalemate

[@Hartmansgrad]

Ah yes, Kaela Mensha Khaine...the eldar god of jobbers

[@butterybiscuit346]

Hearing the Mechanicus music playing in the background makes me happy with this.

[@joshuablackmon3109]

Good work brother you and a few other channels give life to plastic resin and mats

[@lukasz.adamski]

Lorgar is one of my favourite primarch. Yet, as a irreligious, bitter person I feel far greater bond with Perturabo - Emperor's most unloved son. What I like in Lorgar is his deep care for the others. Unlike Emperor, who didn't bother, he tried to help Angron. He even forgave his abusive step-father.

[@loubertloubert]

bro you make the highest quality warhammer vids on youtube, keep it up!

[@blagojpejov4155]

Lorgar fall to chaos happend at monarchia like he said all he wanted was the truth

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, the Man himself.

[@Matt-md5yt]

he has to always check his Closet and under his bed for The Raven. also the Usual Screw Erebus thing

[@eskimocheeks9911]

Corvax is lucky Curze isn't around anymore.

[@CheapGodiva]

All the Emperor's problems could be erased or managed if he ever tried to rule in compassion, respect and love. Every single traitor Primarch had cause because he did not.

[@williamknehr4048]

Let's see: Father wears gold armor, carries a sword that emits fire, and can one-shot deamons; is taller than the average man, has OP psychic powers and yet claims not to be a God. Well, he's either very humble or he is, in fact a God.

[@dontgankmebruv7273]

@@williamknehr4048 wasn’t the emps denial of his divinity one of the reasons why lorgar had such faith in his divinity as only a god could be so humble?

[@headlibrarian1996]

For someone proclaiming his desire for truth he rather oddly didn't reject every obvious lie Chaos told him.

[@ludovicfernand2016]

Thx remembrancer for this masterclass like habitude 🎉🎉🎉🥂🥂🥂🤗🤗🤗🍾🍾🍾👏👏👏

[@MagePawle]

Just amazing video, like all your work!

[@ralphllivrah9551]

Saddest story of all time. The emperor was a fool. He got exactly what he deserves.

[@AdeptusChaoticus]

How could the emperor not realize that taking Lorgar to help lead the great crusade was not a good idea? Same with Angron. I get that he needs the primarchs but it’s obvious they are not to be fully trusted.

[@GhostOfReachB312]

the entire heresy couldve been avoided if the emperor just came with lorgar to the pilgrimage to the Eye

[@richardvaldes3959]

6:40 you mistaken call them the 16th legion but not again in the video. Other wise great video

[@sylntghost007]

This was awesome.

[@user-dn6oi6dt7U]

Thanks for german sub!❤

[@godkilla206]

The emperor of mankind is a god ....he just doesn't fully know

[@TomFynn]

Lorgar. When being right means you got it wrong.

[@nonimport-ante]

Logar: i want the truth. Emp: I'm not a god! Stop making people worship me and do your job. Logar: I don't believe you. Emp: boy if I have to get out of this chair you're in for a world of hurt. Logar: I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA MY DAD IS A GOD LALALA! emp: I'm warning you. Logar: GOD GOD GOD WORSHIP OR DIE. Emp: Rob help me with your brother. Rob: do i have too? Logar: Waaah. how could father punish me just because I continually did something he specifically told me not to? Ruinous powers: awe you poor thing have a lolly. here take some for your brothers.

[@dumbidea1007]

To be fair what arguments do you have to say the emperor isn't a god

[@nonimport-ante]

@@dumbidea1007 well beyond the fact that he was VERY insistent on the matter. he hasn't either regenerated nor disappear into the warp and popped up later. then there the fact that he was able to exist in the material world and stay there for centuries, though i guess you could argue that he a deamonhost.. my personal theory is that there is a god of order somewhere in the warp who empowered the EOM, who started out as a powerful psyker, who then created the tau ethereals.

[@dumbidea1007]

@@nonimport-ante I think the only thing stopping him to pop out in the warp is Ironically his human body

[@ArtsiBurn]

6:16 what song is playing in this part? been trying to find it for ages it sounds so cool

[@chaplainwierddream]

BORGAR! BOOOORRRRGAAAAAARRRRR!!! HEEEEREEEETIC BORGAR!!! BruvaAlphaBusa has corrupted my mind. I can only call him BORGAR now.

[@katrinavining8672]

" Aurelian, Aurelian, Aurelian"

[@robertstrong6798]

Erabus started the Horus Heresy and Logars adopted father. It wasn’t Horus

[@newtonia-uo4889]

I never understood the Emperor's disdain for faith and belief, the entire civilization he championed is built on presuppositions that are as dubious as the multitudes of religions in human history. He says that he does this for Truth, Science, and Reason but Reason is merely just the faculties of man capable of creating logical connections and mechanism, science is merely a methodology on how to conduct and communicate research, and truth is another presupposition that can mean anything In a purely materialistic worldview, an objective truth cannot exist as the basis of its objectivity is nonexistent, at least in a spiritual worldview, an objective truth can exist as you can attach this concept to an ultimate will that is separate from man and its subjectivity. (it cannot be wills - plural - as multiple "divine" observers will introduce subjectivity and thus erode any concept of truth) OR!!!! An objective truth can exist materialistically if every subjective viewer subscribes to the subjective view of a singular observer and the only person that is worthwhile to give up parts of their subjectivity to is ironically a god human being, which is the Emperor. In a sense, when the Emperor strikes out to create an Imperium enlightened by Truth and Reason, he is actively and NECESSARILY crafting himself into a God that walks the material world. Lorgar was just applying logic to the entire endeavor that was the manifest destiny of mankind under the singular banner of the Emperor who's decrees are Truth. It is no wonder Lorgar described him as a God, he is in both matters of power and NECESSITY, a God! just one that refutes his own Godhood!!

[@clnblk7773]

This is very concise and easy to understand (a grasp of philosophy has always been just beyond me) but it's well plotted, it's a good take on the hypocrisy of Big E. Thanks

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

One can exist without having to have an "objective truth" to cling to. Are you saying polytheism isn't a valid form of spirituality, saying only one divine will can exist? Millions all over the world would beg to differ.

[@newtonia-uo4889]

​@@etinarcadiaego7424 no one moves through life without a narrative informing their actions, the only ones who do not have a narrative are those who have given up and is just wasting away, not even engaging with friends or family, because there's no meaning in their existence. the greater the endeavor, the greater the narrative that must couple it, if you wish to unite humanity under the banner of truth, one must ask, who are you to do this, who are you to claim you have truth? who are you to claim that you have the right to unite all of humanity? who are you to prevent any human enclave or planet from their own self rule? etc, etc. at that point, the only logical explanation is that thing that is claiming his dominion to be all of humankind and that his words ought to be law in all human hearts is a God and then comes the evidence of his power, ability, foresight, and writ and its quite easy to see why Lorgar would think he is a God. a God for humankind.

[@dumbidea1007]

​@@newtonia-uo4889to be fair he wasn't that pissed at the faith part. He was angry because lorgar made the world so loyal and the people's there so happy in general that it took too much time. The raizing of monarchia was mostly Anger at the fact that he was the slowest primarch in terms of conquest. After that lorgar started to conquer world faster than any other primarch but didn't care about their well being their loyalty and founded put some chaos cult so that they would rebel when the time was right Basically the emperor played himself

[@wumb0kurkkusalaatti609]

I can’t help but imagine a hysterical Lorgar looking out the window of his fortification on his demon world, paranoid that Corvus will ambush and beat him up yet again

[@Inshabael.]

Memes, word of mouth and exaggeration...typical 40k.

[@necromater6656]

@@Inshabael. Blame james workshop for not saying anything else on Lorgar post heresy, their fault.

[@wumb0kurkkusalaatti609]

@@Inshabael. if you don’t like that then maybe 40k and it’s community just isn’t for you.

[@Inshabael.]

@@wumb0kurkkusalaatti609 Oh no, I very much like the universe, what I don't like are clowns which sadly have proliferated.

[@Inshabael.]

@@necromater6656 They have in codexes and short stories.

[@JudicialBrat]

All i ever wanted... was the truth

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

Corax: "You are a poor reflection of Father" Lorgar: "Father lied"

[@psychotech3927]

Big E said. " do not worship me as a god. i am no god. i will not allow it" ... Lorgar and Wordbearers " oh god big E our god and savior"...

[@blitzkrieg1941]

BEST PRIMARCH!!!!!

[@warg2122]

what is the gregorian style outro?

[@surtaandume_psykermystyk4010]

Lorgar, the Primarch who can watch billions die simultaneously, subject entire planetary systems to insane physical and spiritual torment and brutally sacrifice his own sons and brothers to insatiable cruel gods.... yet he sees a large black feather at any given time and loses his psuedopious, overzealous shit, subsequently noping out of the entire setting for 10,000+ years. This situation is ongoing, seemingly to conclude *Nevermore.*

[@estel5335]

If he just called his father Messiah instead of God...

[@raftguy1376]

Anyone else think he looks a bit like the guy from the mummy?

[@joeford5181]

Vulkan: I want to give a "I'm not mad that you ruined everything forever hug". Magnus: That was Lorgar Dammit

[@danielhaase6738]

Can you tell me the Name of the music you play on the end of youre Videos mightie remembrancer and maybe can you tell the Name/Band of the Song you use in this video

[@joshjacob1530]

So lorgar fell into paganism from initially being a monotheist

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

And both paths were ruinous and false

[@dumbidea1007]

​@@etinarcadiaego7424that is assuming the emperor isn't a god And that's the most irrational stance about 40k

[@djansen06]

Serious question here. Why did almost all of the primarchs go to the side of chaos? All the lore I keep hearing you read is all bad guy primarchs

[@TimGaastra]

Only exactly half fell. 9 out of 18 (because 2 don't exist)

[@dumbidea1007]

Horus had no real reason. Fulgrim was posessed by a magic sword Perturabo was given the shaft in général and was the less loved primarch Angron was literally lobotomized but he was also raised as a slave and saw the emperor as an enslaver of humanity rightfully so I would say. Cruz saw the futur and saw himself go traitor so he just accepted it. Mortarion was tortured with his legion and it was the only way to save them Magnus did it to save his sons after russ was tricked into atracking him by horus. While he was trying to warn the emperor about horus betrayal. (Thats why people's say he did nothing wrong because the whole universe aligned to turn the most powerful important and overall compasionate primarch save lorgar and vilkan into a chaos deamon. The emperor almost saved him but to do so he would have had to leave his sons) Alpharion and his twin is just impossible to explain

[@AlexanderBC42]

Their lore motivation is childish at best, and stupid if you ask me. Bad writing. But to answer your question, half turned evil because GW had to sell figurines to all the WH playerbase.

[@sirflapfla97]

Lorgar didn't get the difference between faith and extremism it seems

[@dumbidea1007]

To be fair the only reason the emperor was angry is because he was busy turning conquered world into utopia that are super loyal and took to much time. If anything he only embodied the best part of religion before monarchia and was the best guy. That's why he and ferrus hated each other. One was survival of the fitest the other was take care of the weak and sick. Ultimately lorgar was the only one that could unify the empire through faith

[@stuartchadwick184]

Argel Tal is killed by Erebus.

[@Robert_Douglass]

Hairy Boss was a Hairy Tick!!

[@vontheunknown7982]

Cawl definitely uses traitor Geneseed to make primaris chartpers especially Word bearer Geneseed, But what do you guys think?

[@exile650]

Blood Ravens from Dawn of War always seemed like Word Bearer descendants to me.

[@iMuffin1]

@@exile650 I think that Blood Ravens are Thousands Sons chapter, most of them are Librarians and they have lust for knowledge .

[@numbedtesticles]

@@iMuffin1 if the blood ravens are t sons how come they dont get the flesh changed or dicked with by tzeentch

[@Matt-md5yt]

theories say that one of the Salamander's Ultra Founding chapters is one

[@pandaman2234]

​@@iMuffin1 I have always believed that the Red Scorpions are secret Word Barers but people think I am crazy for that.

[@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_Bacon]

The emperor made a BiG oopsie😂

[@Stoigniew666]

Well, fuck truth.

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

I love Betrayer ❤️ but Lorgar did everything assbackwards. He thought he could out think his brothers....him getting almost killed by Corvus and saved by a Titan by Angron....amazing writing. Argal tal was my boy. Lorgar spent decades in the warp so the pantheon had him by the balls all along. Zardu had a change of heart and ended up dead on Terra....he chose wrong.

[@Dogue83]

What is the theme for next month? Aeldabril?

[@TheRemembrancer]

You'll see ;-]

[@warrenweaver6664]

Lorgar is the best

[@AncientRylanor69]

[@feralprocessor9853]

Alot of things could've gone differently pre-herasy 😕

[@patrik9328]

I know Lorgar is a evil bastard but i kinda feel bad for him. He's faith and Perfect City was took from him. Emperor failed him in his eyes

[@eichler721]

The traitor Primarch hated by all his brothers and lost in his search for something to worship

[@dumbidea1007]

Cruz was hated by all lorgar was actually liked by angron Magnus and vulcan I think. As he was the we only one to be a genuine good guy. He cared about human more than most. The issue was that when conquering world he made them into utopie super loyalist. He prioritized quality over quantity

[@eichler721]

@dumbidea1007 he suffered from the same problem as Magnus. He was warned by the Emperor more than once and decided he knew better. He was also the weakest combat Primarch, and without Perturabo's legion doctrine, he never would have been able to get to Dark Angels Legion size. Even then he had to have Angron and his Legion help him fight Guilliman and he lost. The Lion would have wrecked him. If he had not let Erebus and his adoptive farther corrupt him he would have been a useful Primarch in stabilizing the Imperium.

[@dumbidea1007]

@@eichler721 not really Magnus warning got him his father reage lorgar being too slow was what angered the emperor I also agree with everything else you said. He was the weakest combat primarch but objectively safe guiliman and magnus he was the most important primarch. (Magnus just because he could have replaced big e on the throne) Had he stayed loyal instead of russ assuming he survived the heresy the imperium would likely be twice has strong. Imagine an entire imperium as fathfull as the sisters There wouldn't have been a gauge vangoge. And heresy would be incredibly rare as lorgar world were ride or die with the imperium before monarchia. In 40k faith is legitimately the strongest power I say instead of russ because russ served no real purpose asside from narrative with the burning of prosperro His legion was nonexistant he wussed out with horrus and made more problem than he solved before ultimately leaving to accomplish nothing

[@eichler721]

@dumbidea1007 Guilliman was beating Logar on Nuceria and was about to beat him and Angron showed up and started beating him down. 2 separate times Logar almost got killed. He is the weakest Primarch in combat, as shown by lore period. I would say Lion was absolutely up there as well since he had the most military victories and beat the Empires that no other Legion could deal with. Sanguinius was also meant to be the figurehead of the Imperium once it was complete. Even with the Heresy he beat the strongest enemies on Terra and was the reason the Emperor survived. That's why he has his own Holiday. As far as Logar he got taught a lesson cause of the Religion. If he was just being slow Malcador, Valdor, the Emperor would have came and talked to him. However cause he was being slow ignoring the Emperor's direct wishes he had to be taught a lession. He could've been taught a better way but he had to be shown his errors.

[@dumbidea1007]

@@eichler721 no doubt lorgar was the weakest save maybe each of the twin but the thing is he is a builder and unifier That’s why all his conquered world were so loyal he made little utopia extremely loyal to the emperor. His strength would have been shown after the heresy more than anything. Hell he single handedly unified the imperium with his book. Him and guiliman in a team would have destroyed everything one to lead the peoples other to build the structure The imperium would easily be twice as strong if you replace Russ by lorgar in the heresy He was even said to have one of the strongest primarch aura many other space marines being attracted to him without being their gene sire. He would likely have brought a massive amount of troops from the traitors of the world eater and Cruz. Let’s not forget that he is also the one who seeded the most descent amongst space marines. He is the most politically gifted and after monarchia he became the one that conquered the most world the fastest and now just wasn’t bothering about loyalty as he was seeding them to one day revolt against the emperor. He was playing 4d chess. With him in the imperium I can see all the peoples being as loyal as the sisters and a lot less heresy Hell a lot of chaos cult are seeded by word barer followers and word barrer.

[@maxwaller9229]

of FUCK, it's the quire boy

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Lorgar fall to the ruinous powers was a sign of that the Dark Gods of Chaos will do everything in their power to destroy the Emperor and his Imperium, and damn the entire souls of all of mankind.

[@kazberryinvu]

I would like to point out that Lorgar aurelian is an anagram of 'Oral ruler again' .. he's all mouth and no trousers guys

[@kirkcannon8079]

The evil version of Moses

[@raftguy1376]

Praise Lorgar Muhammed Aurelian!! Taking out all those polytheistic Zoroastrians of holy Colchis.

[@vontheunknown7982]

Hey, Remembrancer have you thought of making your own chapter? Basically you can come up with a name for your chapter, which Primarch You come from, your own tactics and other things.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

🟠 Since the Emperor is the God of Humanity, thanks to Lorgar Aurelian all of Colchis is freed and purified from the cult of Chaos (thanks to his colchisian crusaders led by the true and pious Erebus: Truth Bearers). Lorgar Aurelian is the one who then founds the Ecclesiarchy with his Crusader Order: the Frateris Militaris. Lorgar Aurelian is like Ascalon Troyes, equal to Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius! (Illuminarum is not a maul but a mace) If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox. And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers). (Byzantine Crusader type)

[@Horus-Lupercal]

*MY BROTHER HAS SOME INTERESTING THINGS TO SAY, LET US HEAR HIM.*

[@BarelyDecentProduction]

I like in the one fan art of lionel heresy, Lorgar kills his piece of shit son Erebus and used him as a burning banner (or whatever you called it)

[@TheDRAG0N22]

Lorgar was right about the emperor

[@Mgauge]

I've heard it said before and now I really believe it: Lorgar is not really a man of faith at all. He doesn't go out looking for his own idea of truth or understanding. He doesn't follow what he claims to think is so transcendent. He's an egotist looking to find divine validation. He doesn't care who he has to burn in the process: as long as he sees himself gaining his prize of power and importance, any suffering he inflicts along the way not only justified, but beautiful. He's the embodiment of religious corruption. The Chaos Gods didn't have to really dupe him. All they had to do was give him some sweet words and he happily damned the galaxy for them.

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

He could be that and he could also be what he claims to be, a Truthseeker. Finding joy, validation, then resigned despair in the act of trying to divine the Truth is quite normal I would think.

[@TheDCrick]

Where can I find the thumbnail art?

[@feralprocessor9853]

Straight away, worst adoptive father ever.

[@josephjenott931]

So he was the first heretic.

[@lolbots686]

The emporors sword,a holy spear and the ravens claws inpaled the urizen. As lorgar stumbled back,the urizen smiled. "Thank you...brothers. all is in place now..." Guiliman noticed something. Something was off as lorgar began disentigrating. He carried no malice. "What are you rambling traitor?" The shadowed one cried in fury. "Oh corvus...did you truely believe all of this was merely for the dark gods? Tell me...milenia of meditation...what could a primarch in tune with the warp could do with the proper skills in sculpting the great ocean of the empyreans waves from the maelstrom of unreality?" "What...?" The urizen looked at the weary dreadnought. "My anchorite. You know what must be done. The light calls me brothers...perhaps you will see it too..." Lorgar disentigrated to pure,golden ash,leaving only the maul,iluminarum. "Anchorite,what is he speaking of." Guiliman looked to the dreadnought. The dreadnought was silent,but then spoke. "I dare not believe...but i might know what happened...a treachery unseen,rebirth of a pheonix tainted. Lorgars meditation wasnt just mere learning of the warp. He was creating something from within what was left of his humanity." "What creation?" "Not creation...an awakening. Of gods unseen and thought unmade." "..." Guiliman was silent as his eyes widened in horror. "Guiliman?" "He didnt just wake non chaos gods. He woke EVERY,single non chaos god. And i know one,who carries a burning fury aganst the ruinous powers." It was then,fire scorched the sky. "We need to go. Now!" Corvus said as he flew. To be continued...

[@cedricstewart9324]

Hello how are you 😊

[@MrGravylegs]

And so the beginning of the breaking of the Emperors Imperium was began by the most religious zealot type of personality found within his sons.. So juxtaposed to what his father had wanted for them all.. Again, we see religion being the pitfall of any united human species…

[@tero2535]

Lot of heretics writing here

[@daviewizzle]

Another fantastic video. Lorgar is probably 1 of the most pathetic daddy issues, that wrought the Imperium asunder. For Demi gods, some more than most had human petty ways, just sad how that could be manipulated so easily by chaos. Looking forward to how the story moves forward finally. And we’ll see who can be saved or cloned to be who they were supposed to be. Emperor did say he might save Mortarion someday… Future finally looks bright, well brighter 😂 For a min at least

[@Matt-md5yt]

well he landed on a planet of Preachers/Priests so

[@daviewizzle]

@@Matt-md5yt but he was manipulated by a sadist, and when he was told constantly that is not the real truth, and an example was made. How many times do you tell a dog no by wagging your finger before they learn? Or just listen to your depraved foster Dah an a supposed friend to twist your fragile physique?

[@pandaman2234]

​@@daviewizzle Lorgar was literally right about the Emperor thought, just looking at his actual nature and abilities it's obvious he was basically a warp God even pre Golden Throne. and the Emperor never truly went against him until he saw his beliefs as an inconvenience literally 100 years later.

[@daviewizzle]

@@pandaman2234 it was a twisted view, the Emperor was brought into being by the last Shamans that realised the danger humanity was in. It’s light in the warp was getting stronger. He knew that destroying all religions would save humanity. He never wanted to be a god, he wanted the Imperial truth. So no Lorgar created the god Emperor myth, ironically.

[@dumbidea1007]

​​@@daviewizzle you are wrong wether he wanted to be seen as one or not is irrelevent by all metric he is a god wether his origin is man made or maker of men is irrelelevent (the shaman theory seems illogical when in the lore more shaman appeared after him. It just doesn't make sense on the long run it's just the simplest explenation ) The point is whatever the emperor say is meaningless if fact and logic tend to show him as a god. The information he hide from them are the only thing disproving his godhood. What logical arguments can be made against him being a god

[@jamesneese7663]

Lorgar had a point but it came from a place of his own selfishness. It was not about worshipping The Emperor as a god but by extension proving his own divinity and greatness. It wasn't enough to just be the son of the Emperor. It was never enough to just be a Primarch. He wanted something to justify his existence and justify every nasty thing he ever did. Even in the opening of the Book of Lorgar (real subtle there, Aurelian) he places blame for everything on everyone else but himself. He cannot take accountability for anything. Even in his attempted betraying of Horus, he was sneaky af and trying to pretend he's the Good Guy and that in betraying the very man he SET UP to lead the Heresy, he was really trying to do the Heresy a favor. HA! It was never about the galactic truth. It was always about Lorgar's low self esteem and persecution complex. In some ways he's more damaged than Angeron since at least Angeron NEVER lied to anyone, while Lorgar lies to everyone, even himself (and everyone wonders where Erebus gets it from....hmmm). and the biggest loser by far is Guilliman, who left the galaxy a bastion of the Imperial truth, only to come back and find the entire IMPERIUM now looks like Monarchia, the city he once reduced to rubble for their ignorance. His worst nightmare from before the Heresy became the Imperium, thanks to Lorgar. And in the trailer for 10th Edition, even he's now on his knees praying to the God Emperor for strength and guidance. Lorgar, you are the real despoiler of everything around you! O_O;;;;

[@michaelkelley2727]

lorgar > horus

[@AutumnWind92]

Lorgar did nothing wrong

[@ramirezanthonyj02]

Lorgar was Primarch of the 17th legion. Don't get me wrong here because I do enjoy your videos for they are presented in a very unique way but this is by no means the first mistake made. You have to be better if you continue making these videos, which I truly hope that you continue doing. You've been making these videos for far too long and are far too knowledgeable to be making these simple and almost lazy mistakes.

[@malicant123]

The single most unlikable character in 40k.

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

Erebus is worse imo.

[@malicant123]

@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 fair point. The whole legion is filled with scumbags.

[@dumbidea1007]

I like him he was one of the few genuine good guys The reason ferrus hated him was because ferrus was law of the strongest while he was more of the take care of the weak and sick. He made all his conquest into utopia believing in the emperor and the only real issue was that he was maki g the world into such utopia that it took him too mu h time and the emperor was just angry he was too slow

[@jacksonturner7838]

What a pathetic primarch

[@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226]

Wait did you say the 16th legion? Oh then 17th. Ok nm