These Decks Will Get You Banned at Your LGS | Commander Clash S16 E2

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[@journcy]

I'm not usually a Commander Clash viewer, but I found myself watching through this whole episode. I really like the change to Spelltable for this season, somehow it makes the battlefield way more readable to me.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Glad you liked it!

[@gzzuss]

That's probably because they are calling the cards and a big one pop on the screen when casted! 😅

[@tardmonkey7319]

Yeah, shoutout to the editor

[@allenjohnson7355]

Spelltable forever please.

[@SmashPortal]

As someone who's been watching Commander Clash for a long time, it's actually making it less watchable for me.

[@kurowasanabe]

Phil getting free Eldrazi twice in a row, First on Cardmarket and now here. He is truly blessed by the Eldritch Gods of Magic.

[@Tinnituss]

card market scripts their games lol

[@MattWilliams747]

Seth playing a no one wins deck over excessive card draw or panharmonicon shenanigans was exactly what I needed this morning. Thanks guys! Awesome episode!

[@toolittletoolate]

Him then winning with his no-win deck was poetic justice that I wasn't ready for.

[@laytonjr6601]

@@toolittletoolate Crim killed everyone including himself

[@iiGiacomo]

I respect Crim for the “mental health counterspell.” Sometimes it is the correct choice

[@Discarabsnation3187y]

Man the in person play is such a massive improvement its not even funny. One of my biggest issues with some of the older videos was that a good 40ish minutes of them were just waiting for Magic Online to resolve all the triggers, but, with that gone, it's gotten so much better. Liked and clicked the bell.

[@brendanpulsford]

Phil's surprised smile and thumbs up when Crim said he's gonna trust Phil was the highlight for me

[@darthsnarf]

Crim and Richard, father and son, matching playmats They must have had a 2 for 1 at the toys r us on playmats

[@JRBissett]

Absolutely loving the in person play! It’s been easy for me to follow, even though I’m not familiar with all of the cards and such. Great job to the editor and team!

[@amisanthropicman]

I think they're on video chat, recording four separate videos of their paper game and combining them. Props to the editor, who combined 8 shots in total when you count the video of their faces.

[@noahfriedrich4686]

Flashing opposition agent into your own humility to chump block another 1/1 is next level

[@Kryptnyt]

Playing Humility so that your Opposition Agent can enter untapped so that it can flash block despite there being a Thalia Frog out is also next level

[@light-chemistry]

Seeing game length 45 minutes: “oh god Phil is gonna combo off isn’t he”

[@joshuaboniface]

Or Seth succeeds at a draw. Now I'm morbidly curious.

[@jackl8025]

nah just Nekusar things

[@RyanEglitis]

More just good editing and not waiting for MTGO triggers

[@ryanpena7327]

I think I prefer this over moto. Not only do you avoid the moto crashes and stuff, but moto tends to be slower overall when everyone has to say ok to every play and you see every trigger have to go on the stack. Sure you might make more mistakes but I think that can add to the fun! Keep up the fun content!

[@alkhemia23]

only issue is they have a far less diverse card pool since they get all cards on MTGO for free unless they start using proxies

[@allnightgamer792]

I greatly appreciate that, even though Tomer is out this season, CLASH ON STILL LIVES ON!!!!

[@djbisson9819]

Holy crap Batman when did you switch to paper? So happy I clicked on this vid and made this discovery! May have to go back and find the switch so I can catch up. Much prefer paper magic to digital. Clash On!

[@davidhansen5067]

The switch happened last week, the first episode of the current season.

[@djbisson9819]

@@davidhansen5067 thank you kind sir

[@MTGGoldfish]

It started last episode!

[@MrGrovak]

I think the best part of the paper games is the edited games are a little shorter and easier to watch in one sitting while still getting the best banter from the crew. Great game though.

[@MstrKipper]

I realized that we can actually get new precon content since the games are paper which I think is pretty sick Perhaps we can also do Doctor Who upgrades at some point? 👀

[@whoopsmymeds]

Crim's doubletake at 38:27 is GOLD

[@alaraplatt8104]

38:22 for better comedic timing

[@Lattle828]

Good content as always. I hope you guys do a stats episode though, they are always my favorite to watch and to go back to and see how your card tastes change over time.

[@oneguy637]

Seconding this

[@TheGorick]

Play a second one if its so short! Also loved that Seth actually brought a deck that can't win... and won with it... crim and seth team up continues? :p

[@silentsnake96]

I love Phil just actually using a banned card in commander 😂 not just banned at your lgs

[@bondeulv]

Which one?

[@copycat2696]

Coalition Victory@@bondeulv

[@anamedninja5536]

@@bondeulv Coalition Victory is on the ban list

[@laytonjr6601]

@@anamedninja5536 If your commander isn't a 5 color creature it's a lot harder to win with coalition victory (but why would you put it in the deck then)

[@SleepTight7474]

The transition to spell table games has been amazing for Commander Clash. I hope this is something you guys plan to continue doing for the foreseeable future.

[@jonart8433]

Another reminder that Blood Moon is casual in a casual playgroup. Run it my dudes.

[@VivBrodock]

I wish more people would play Blood Moon and Back to Basics. I pretty exclusively play mono-black and I wish that people would do things that help mono-color decks. Like one time on mtgo I played a game against mono-white, mono-red and a WUBRG deck, the red player jammed bloodmoon and the other three decks just stomped the non_basic.manabase deck.

[@Bongus_Bubogus]

Imagine doing that to someone running the Jared precon 💀

[@54SCV8]

With all of the mana rocks available nowadays, you are slowed but not completely out of the game. If your deck has no single target permanent spot removal, you should really reconsider your deck building

[@CentaurionArcher]

Whoosh and sound effects are a better volume this week. Thanks for the video!

[@shanedutton888]

Loving the paper gameplay! Missed triggers are worth the shorter games to me.

[@stevomac102]

I have not watched CC in a long while. Coming back and seeing beautiful cardboard on tabletop instead of clunky MOTO was such a pleasant surprise. Loved it guys

[@Varler_]

That was a really fun game! I love seeing these games where salty cards are played but no one gets salty.

[@zaclock-4228]

This new season explains why in a normal play group, you cannot strictly count on fog meta to win a game. Most players playing red or black will build their deck in a way that can win outside of combat.

[@andrueurbane7361]

Count on no. But man that was a sick memorable play.

[@alexfrank594]

This was a really fun game! Lots of weird interactions and I loved the deck concepts. Now I'm gonna be That Guy: Teferi's protection says your life total can't change. At around 32 minutes, Richard cast Vampiric Tutor after casting Teferi's Protection. If it still worked like the original wording "Pay 2 life, tutor a card" he actually wouldn't be able to cast it at all since Teferi's Pro prevents you from paying life. Luckily oracle texts makes losing the 2 life no longer a cost, so it turns into all upside. Richard should have been able to tutor without losing the 2 life.

[@lutherturk5375]

If everything is phased out, he shouldn't be able to cast VT. No lands to tap for mana. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something... 🤔

[@alexfrank594]

@@lutherturk5375 He floated all his mana before casting TefPro. So he still had the mana for VT in his pool.

[@lutherturk5375]

@@alexfrank594 Does Rule of Law phase out so he can cast 2 spells then?

[@alexfrank594]

@@lutherturk5375 I'm pretty sure that's the case yeah. 1. Float mana 2. Cast and resolve TefPro, rule of law phases out with everything else 3. Cast VT

[@qubingjianshen8210]

Vampiric Tutor is lose 2 life, not pay 2. So he can cast it for just 1 mana without losing life since his lifetotal can not change.

[@valgeir80]

Everyone yapping at the same time while a player is taking and explaining actions, is super fun to listen to.

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

the editing on this is still off the charts! if I can make a suggestion, it would be nice to see the casting costs noted next to the commanders, rather than just the color identity

[@JMGaming1288]

Longtime viewer here. This is my favorite commander clash that I've watched so far 😂😂😂

[@Arcadious10]

Love the show, I just miss seeing everyone’s hands. It gave insight on all the bluffing, and internal analysis. Hopefully we get another episode of the team vs others. Thanks for the content!

[@etten4536]

Something that could be good would be to include the cost of the commander where it’s name is, and also add the commander tax each times it’s cast

[@JR-xv6mv]

This was, interestingly, some of the better content you guys have posted! It's actually fun watching broken magic rather than jank.

[@RyanEglitis]

Much tighter play this week - well done everyone, especially with that boardstate.

[@lorddread30]

I don't mind the live play, especially for trying commanders not available on mtgo, but definitely prefer moto, the fact that it does all the rules work and triggers is a big sell, and a big part of why this is the only commander show I watch

[@lorddread30]

Also, love your content, you're the only people I stay subbed to on patreon

[@aklepatzky]

Lol mtgo sucks paper magic is the way

[@Cloudy573]

Love seeing Phil use the ODY 346 mountain! That's my favorite one.

[@joebob1533]

You guys should do an episode where you use commanders not available on MTGO, like UB, backgrounds, or commander product stuff

[@kkplx]

that was the most fascinating episode i've seen you play. GREAT job by you and your editor.

[@henrye3935]

I LOVE Wars Toll. I used to play it alongside Magus of the Tabernacle and Ghostly Prison, so - if you want to keep your creatures you can't attack, if you want to attack you can't keep your creatures.

[@lukecraig4984]

Absolutely love this format of commander clash!

[@florenttristan244]

Thank you guys. I was happy to see you all get banned and play savoury cards. I really enjoy that you record paper games. I feel that the passing priority on Magic Online is really killing the pace of the game on 4 players.

[@SpecialKail]

I prefer you guys using moto because it's a much more pleasant viewing experience. Aside from the super highly produced Game Knights, you guys are the only commander show I watch for this reason. Also having moto handle the triggers and everything is preferable. I assume you guys are gonna do this for the whole season which is cool, I'll still watch, but as a viewer it is a less enjoyable experience. It is nice that you guys have access to stuff not on moto so I hope we get to see you guys play around with the Dr. Who and Warhammer stuff as well.

[@wedgearyxsaber]

I prefer games where they miss triggers and confuse cast triggers with etb triggers over 2 hours averaged, hard-to-view gameplay with perfect game rules applied.

[@alexweil7296]

Agreed ​@@wedgearyxsaber

[@AllstateManlove]

I found the only person who likes looking at the moto UI

[@aklepatzky]

What is moto?

[@MrArlatan]

Looks way better now

[@cloudroth6]

Thsr past two commander clahses have been awesome. It feels like everyone is having more fun

[@arghanothername]

Okay, I’m firmly on team ‘MTGO’ for this show now. There were too many missed triggers last week, and the viewing experience on smaller screen (phone) is much worse, at least to me.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

They can work on addressing those issues; The worst part of MTGO was the pace and there’s nothing that can really be done there to reduce the endless clicking for priority for any action to happen (especially if it causes a lot of triggers). There would otherwise be a lot more content creators using MTGO rather than paper. Paper play cuts the video length in half without those delays.

[@SpecialKail]

There's more time for banter on mtgo

[@Dragon_Fyre]

@@SpecialKail They could just do 2 back to back games if they want it to run longer..

[@jeffe2267]

@@Dragon_Fyre tbh most people player paper because most creators don't have MTGO collections and/or aren't familiar with the interface.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

man i wanna play with phil, the man never complains and never bullshits

[@malmasterson3890]

I saw ThalRog and immediately clicked, then read the title and realized, "Oh dear, it appears I'm being called out." I built my ThalRog deck in a very fun way though. Lot's of stuff to give my opponents goodies & battles, no other hatebears, and then obviously some landocrats stuff paired with +1/+1 counters for the win condition.

[@alexliang1040]

Props for the TPro overlay effect!

[@ericfletcher7046]

Phil should include as many cards as possible that flip from the top. First the Cardmarket video and now this. He could probably even beat Crim's blind Counterbalance record.

[@Maverickstyg]

I love this visual format. Editing is on point

[@Spirited_skiing]

Love how much shorter these are without mtgo lag!

[@danielborkowski291]

Seth's "Clash On" frustration is everything. Glad that he now understands Tomer's struggle.

[@Tpowell0111]

So happy you guys switched to spell table

[@LordDrieg]

4:00 I can't even read some of that handwritten list in the right image. Dunno if it's the redditor's white board or the LGS's but whomever it belongs to, freaking print out your banlist in standard, legible type so people can read it without struggling. 😵

[@DrXPepper05]

I miss you guys playing on MTGO. It was one of my favorite things about the channel. I will admit that your paper play is better than most other channels though.

[@TMidander]

Great theme, and I really like the editing :) Especially the T Pro fade out

[@NyahBoyOwO]

Run more counters, mulligan to have interaction and a combo piece or tutor in your hand. The deck mulligans really well and can go down to 5 without issues. Is easy to fall on the trap of pursuing a lot of ramp in the deck in your opening hand, while it can be good, remember you want to combo ASAP.

[@TheNegoneco]

Richard should not have lost 2 life from vamp tutor, since he was under the effect of Teferi's Protection.

[@realroliver]

Came here to say this. "Your life total can't change"

[@tierfunmtg]

This format is good. My only complaint is that, like in every other paper EDH show on the internet, people miss triggers and fail to properly observe the rules. I also can't see the hands. How many times have you guys puzzled over why MTGO did something only for the editor to note that none of you understood the interaction properly? Maybe y'all can spin off a new MTGO show for people who enjoyed the old client.

[@2d_spartan]

You 100% seem like the rules lawyer at the lgs who isn’t even a judge but acts like one.

[@themagicgeek4765]

I'm not sure if it would've mattered in the long run, but Richard Vamp Tutored after the T Pro. He shouldn't have lost 2 life from the tutor as his life total can't change. Also, you don't take commander damage under Teferi's Protection as you have protection from everything.

[@ParfaxGaming]

Unfortunately I am really not a fan of the spelltable version.

[@Thaelkor]

Phil is hilarious. Seth and Phil mid-game banter is great.

[@rexone9564]

Oh, paper magic AND a reasonable game time. Watching for sure!!

[@tomfisher6422]

Currently, my LGS has only one banned card: Thassa's Oracle. It was hilarious that the deck that was only there to force a draw ended up winning...

[@mal3k1th]

spoiler for those that didn't watch yet: . . . . . . the fact that set designed his deck to not win and ends up winning is hilarious to me lmao

[@omnomnomnath415]

The red Ojer with Nekuzar is pretty insane, would've loved seeing it on board. Add Pain Magnification with those 2 for extra salt.

[@OvAeons]

Am i missing something? Wasn't hive mind still out when wheel of misfortune was cast?

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was, maybe we should have explained it better, but basically everyone except Crim picked 0 for all the copies so they wouldn't have to wheel (and die to all of Crim's enchantments). Crim picked 1 for one copy to wheel and then 0 for the rest.

[@RumpledNutskin]

I've never been more excited to see Richard play a deck! MLD is right up his alley (Edit: and mine as well)

[@Baythoven851]

I really like the spelltable games. I didnt realize you guys switched formats. I just dont like the UI of MTGO. This feels much cleaner and less overstimulating, while having enough pop ups to keep me in the loop of whats going on. I appreciate this a lot!

[@winssports4830]

Lol Seth winning this game was crazy. Richards Teferi's pro backfired hard lol.

[@coincidenceXtheory]

Not just that... richards Teferi combined with Phil's hive mind combined with Crim's wheel (combined again with Phil's hive mind). It was a group effort.

[@ishotthepilot2904]

Love yalls channel and yall are by far my favorite commander group I watch. This was a great game and it was entertaining to see Seth get somewhat “angry” for once at his own spells. I think Spelltable is nice to shake things up on occasion, but it is not my preferred way of viewing. MTGO it is much easier to distinguish between cards, see where they are placed, and it also allows you see player’s hands. It’s not always intuitive to follow what’s going on in spelltable.

[@ilyafoskin]

I am so glad this is done with overhead cameras now. You could probably add hand info down the sides in the black space beside each person's board

[@KILOWATTE]

I love these camera works so much more than playing online :) keep up the good work guys

[@floriandurr5015]

YES! THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MTGO!!

[@maahirashid5385]

Crimothy and the Codfather rocking the same mat.

[@thriftypsgr]

I love the paper play! This new format is awesome! I feel like I follow the game better in paper when the triggers have to be announced and remembered

[@Pazlum]

i love this style of playing over moto

[@RuneRaged]

Funnily enough, because of how my group dose our own ban list for Commander, we dont play by the Commander Rules Committee set of Rules

[@metalclaw149474]

i like the in person style this season, particularly all the edits of playercam and card descriptions, since i dont really know any new cards im finding myself more engaged in the match in general, mtgo would be so rigid with gamepieces and priority id often tune out on complicated games. if this hive mind teferi happened on mtgo i likely wouldve turned off, but the editting for it here was very entertaining

[@ratiotile66]

Edit: I'm wrong and I can't read. With Hive Mind and Rule of Law, I believe players who have already cast spells that turn don't cast spells off of Rule of Law. So, for example, Seth would not have cast Teferi's Protection

[@alexliang1040]

Hive mind causes players to "copy" spells, which is different from Casting and not blocked by rule of Law

[@ratiotile66]

@@alexliang1040 dang, no idea why I thought it said cast. For whatever reason I thought it was worded like Eye of the Storm.

[@Regalas788]

Did rule of law and hive mind phase out? I miss mtgo because rules interactions worked like 99% of the time.

[@JalebJay]

The decks I'm afraid to run did their work. I love it

[@DaxRaider]

because no armagedon was played we still need an episode with land destructions xD

[@Wuboo404]

The fact that their pod thinks Group Slug Nekusar will get you banned at your LGS is why they are also struggling to balance ramp in their pod. Group Slug players are the people keeping every game from ending in the same 5 power cards that win every "casual" table.

[@BlankeeStarcraft]

Note to self: never cast Teferi's Protection when there's a Hivemind in play.

[@orrfannut9527]

I love salty games lol! My play group has land destruction players, mindslaver players who will recur it from the graveyard with muldrotha, Zacama turbo ramp and Eldrazi enjoyers. I have a mono black deck with both dictate of erebos and grave pact, running creatures like fleshbag marauder and demons disciple. I run a bunch of reanimation to do it every turn so I'm the only person with creatures on the board and top it off with big flying beaters to swing for 10-20 each turn

[@Y00bi]

Phil should've tutored for those instants though, Humility doesn't stop things like that iirc.

[@thriftypsgr]

Phil is gonna get banned from Commander clash. The Phil meta is real!

[@ErikTheRedd1]

I'll actually watch your gameplay videos if you do live from now on

[@CompetitiveEDH]

Turn 9 Richard should have stayed at 27 for the vamp tutor as he waited for the t pros to resolve with floating mana.

[@bodaciouschad]

Conincidentally, 1/3 of the meta at BOTH of the game stores in town is JUST nekusar decks. Yes. Multiple nekusars at the same table is common. *Elp.*

[@amisanthropicman]

loving the paper magic! Props to the editor, who it appears combined 8 shots in total when you count the video of their faces.

[@alexandrelima2766]

Maaan at 45 minutes for a game I wish we had a game 2

[@joeytuney4197]

Richard backing the fog meta!

[@BohnJarr]

Much easier to watch vs online platform which always found harder to view. Great investment in tech and cards to make this happen!

[@WarriorFromV4LH4LL4]

Really love your new production on Commander Clash! I couldn't watch the MTGO gameplay, but this is fantastic to watch. And the episode length is also way better! Great work!

[@unManaMas]

1000% Love the change to paper magic. MTGO was great but seeing you guys play with paper gives it a more personal touch and makes it feel like games I play with friends.

[@a7wingedsheep]

I love this episode! Hive mind and Humility are some of the most fun cards to me.. ... Am i the baddie?

[@youthmindude3826]

How to know the Wheel of Misfortune isn’t explained well or played properly: Everyone announces they’re saying 0 each time, and Crim should have said a number equal to the highest life total. That would have won him the game immediately

[@EmoChicken42]

No it would not, wheel deals damage to tree player that chose the highest number, but even with all of them choosing 0, I believe they would have wheeled 3 more times anyways because nobody chose a number higher than 0, so it’s a tie. Phil and Seth would be deal at 30:40 ish (I’m past that time, that’s just when I think the WOM weirdness happened)

[@UNCLEBEN2021]

I like switching up the gameplay, these cam games are fun.

[@jcdb2582]

This is one of the more enjoyable games ive watch in a minute for laughs. Comparable to slivermania 😂