These Full Body Trackers are AMAZING! - StonX Trackers

[@Red_Planet]

It is nice seeing FBT become cheaper. Something I like about VRC is that the avatars look far more “alive” than other social games since everything’s mocap, FBT adds a lot to it.

[@jan_Sanku]

niko spotted!

[@HamzaHaqqi]

It will definitely become cheaper over time. 100%

[@Zman201]

Horizons has absolutely nothing on VRChat considering they don't even have legs, technically they do now but, only for other people

[@lixulia]

@@HamzaHaqqi it's 110$ more expensive than slimevr lol, just get or build slimes, they aren't half as jittery and way better overall

[@zig131]

@@lixulia Jitteryness is because antennas used in the pre-production models were not up to spec. Final version will likely be better than slime and long-term there will be an option to upgrade to outside-in for near-Lighthouse accuracy which is something Slime doesn't have.

[@EroBE14]

"I saw CBT and FAP, so I said yes" Twice - 2023

[@THEmilkboxx]

im so glad I wasnt the only one that noticed xD

[@zerocool6452]

I bet all of these issues will be resolved when the production units ship, they are a great team and they take feed back seriously.

[@lixulia]

Have you seen their discord suggestion channel.... Obviously not

[@jan_Sanku]

@@lixulia you seem very salty about them for some reason... i just came from there and they all seemed very helpful and focused on making it right

[@zerocool6452]

@@lixulia I have been there for 2 years so I know what I'm talking about.

[@noisyboy2773]

They're goin out of business

[@zerocool6452]

@@noisyboy2773 They aren't, they shifted to B2B instead but in turn also selling the rights and everything regarding the body tracking which in my opinion is dumb, they should have licenced it instead.

[@Twortles]

I don’t think the people are ready for accessible full body tracking. The level of immersion you get is insane

[@rathernotsayatall]

Oh really? I find the FOV to be the biggest problem for me. Maybe I could consider FBT

[@noisyboy2773]

@@rathernotsayatall I find the whooping 10 degrees FOV from my Oculus Quest 1 very immersive, really made me feel like Batman

[@goofybryson]

as someone with 3.0 Vive Trackers it’s great to keep seeing the price go down with each new fbt tracker I’d love to see more people with access!

[@sigsvrgaming]

these are neat, and seems like a good sign for VR that more product variety is being worked on

[@Sanquinity]

I'm really glad there's some real competition going on now. Vive only really has tundra for competition at the moment. (and in reality the two are basically the same.) But for motion tracking we now have slime, stonx, mocopi, and haritorax.

[@captmaze4400]

This looks really cool and promising as FBT comes down in price and with further improvements in years to come. I've been wanting to use FBT but it's been far to expensive with haritorsX being one I've been looking at but wasn't to keen on the wires and bulk. But now I'm gonna keep my eyes on Stonx, they look really good even as a prototype.

[@Gomme_EXE]

these new trackers look really good

[@jan_Sanku]

The jitter looks like something that can be fixed with software, both slime and HaritoraX reportedly had these issues and got better over time

[@lixulia]

And since slimes are cheaper and completely open source, you can build and use them now, or buy them for cheaper than this crap

[@jan_Sanku]

@@zig131 makes sense!

[@jan_Sanku]

@@lixulia i know that slime is open source and cheaper, but the tinkering isn't for everyone. but calling these ones "crap" is uncalled for, they seem at least on-par with HaritoraX, which have been tested and are known to be pretty good. even if you don't like these for some reason, we all benefit from more affordable competition in the fbt market, so whether you like it or not, this is important.

[@Linkmer]

At my family’s funeral. But twice comes first 🙏🙏🙏

[@pighaver]

Yessir

[@TikkaQrow]

Built slimes a year ago Most people I dance with think I have vive These are the future of FBT I think, Slime/Stonx/Haritora

[@TheXev]

I know some people who have built SlimeVR with HUGE batteries, and these are so tiny with the same battery life! These look really impressive.

[@morph3257]

Should try them out with openvr smooth tracking, may help out stonx even more than my 3.0s. Sweet vid ;)

[@olliewinks11]

as a questy with no basestations ive wanted to have fbt for about 3 years now and although there is 2 or 3 options under 700 these are the only ones that i dont need to diy (i have 0 experience in things like this) and will be available in my country. this is a huge w

[@jan_Sanku]

HaritoraX are very similar for this purpose, BUT stonx beats them with much better battery life and lack of wires all over your body

[@zerocool6452]

@@jan_Sanku They are also only Available in the US and Japan while StonX try to get their stuff world wide.

[@jan_Sanku]

@@zerocool6452 is that permanent? i thought they're being tested in japan and then released everywhere?

[@zerocool6452]

@@jan_Sanku No idea but it seems like it.

[@jan_Sanku]

@@zerocool6452 they said on their twitter that they're working on the paperwork but no ETA yet

[@GhostQuartz]

20 Hours is INSANE. I'm keeping my eyes on these.

[@ethanstinkus]

Their name is Stonx. Their technology is called CBT. Their way of description is called FAP. *They know what they're doing.*

[@WireWhiz]

Crit deserves a lot more publicity, the stuff he's making is awesome. Cool to see him here!

[@CozyMilly]

I have played vrchat since 2016 and this year stopped playing it, but its still nice to see people making vids about it.

[@geoterra9478]

LETS GOOOO CBT

[@howhestand]

🤨🤨

[@BladeLMAO]

I love how many more FBT options are coming out! hopefully that will mean more games will come with support for them! nothing more immersive than FBT imo

[@paolaanimator]

I'm so happy affordable FBT is becoming more common!

[@JulesJuno737]

And the competition will be so good for us buyers yayyyy ✧⁠\⁠(⁠>⁠o⁠

[@MonkeyNBananas]

I keep seeing these IMU based trackers, and they almost always get jittery. I think a blend between base station, and IMU is the best way to go. I wonder if it's possible to make it so that the laser tracking just switches over to IMU when obfuscated in a system with both.

[@zig131]

That is pretty much the exact plan for StonX eventually. The earliest version of StonX was outside-in only with passive (i.e. not electronic) trackers. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to re-implementing Beacon + passive retroflector tracking so you can have the best of both worlds. So not laser tracking - it won't require Lighthouses - but StonX's own "Beacon" which should be cheaper to produce as no moving parts like Lighthouse has.

[@AmazingMrX]

@@zig131 That makes them pretty unattractive for people with Steam VR base stations. A whole second set of tracking stations is going to be a pain.

[@Neyfan66]

"Im not rich guys" *seating on a Herman Miller chair*

[@beowulfkaine]

Company no longer makign commercial products for consumers, making this video moot.

[@AmazingMrX]

Another Slime VR competitor is all well and good but, I'd personally like to see a lighthouse tracker that swaps to this kind of imu tracking when it's occluded.

[@Kevin_Reems]

This is what we really need! Man it would be so buttery smooth yet never drift away all janky.

[@Silky_Chan]

bro 10/10 editing

[@Lutroooo]

5:58 ok i really need the context

[@callmidell]

the stonX demo 7 I watched on their website completely made me want their trackers

[@victorbouw2140]

0:22 oh church of monstadt music from genshin

[@masterbond9]

I've wondered what would happen if you use both types of FBT. if you used something like these or the slimes with the haritoras or vive trackers, would the ones that dont require base stations pick up when said base stations lose the trackers?

[@zig131]

That is pretty much the exact plan for StonX eventually. The earliest version of StonX was outside-in only with passive (i.e. not electronic) trackers. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to re-implementing Beacon + passive retroflector tracking so you CAN have the best of both worlds. It still won't require Lighthouse basestations - instead using StonX's own "Beacon" which should be cheaper to produce as no moving parts like Lighthouse has.

[@mixskillter4785]

6:57 "maybe later" 💀

[@Tehrasha]

So .. Slime Trackers except w/ proprietary wireless dongle, instead of ubiquitous wifi ?

[@zerocool6452]

Yes because a dongle is a better connectivity method because that allows for cxontanst improvements which you can't really do with Wifi.

[@Skullkid16945]

There is also an application on Steam for SteamVR that smooths FBT tracking, so combining that with the StonX trackers might help buff out some of the jittery tracking. Maybe.

[@deadlyspore3354]

what application?

[@crazy_beast]

@@deadlyspore3354 OVR-Smooth Tracking

[@deadlyspore3354]

@@crazy_beast I’ll have to check that out when my haritoraX comes in

[@crazy_beast]

@@deadlyspore3354 me to, but for slimevr

[@deadlyspore3354]

@@crazy_beast I would have gotten those but the allure of using Bluetooth instead of relying on Wi-Fi was to tempting and the wait time for the slimes are a bit longer

[@CrimsonTiger_]

Trackers with FAP in it? TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

[@JayOhm]

"CBT and FAP? StonX!" Seriously, I'm impressed with their naming, it's impossible to miss or forget or mix up with something else.

[@evytin9705]

Why do the trackers nee to now your primary hormone. Never seen that before

[@StonXAB]

It improves the accuracy of the body calibration slightly. Although, no reason to not try both to see which one works best for you.

[@scenedogs3267]

Just waiting on my SlimVr Trackers..though I almost regret getting them because I barely play VrChat or us my headset now. Since I've been playing Insurgency Sandstorm (realistic shooter) and Project Zomboid (one of the best zombie games) That and I've been doing alot of off-roading in my new Jeep Wrangler 😁

[@AWS]

will buy these, so i can get 12 copies of among us vr.

[@KawakuDraggy]

I had heard a year ago about StonX and I was already hyped back then! Your video confirms what I thought about it, it's gonna be great and will be a new cheaper solution! and if it doesn't need base stations it means I can even use it on my Rift S

[@esotericvv1244]

0:46 is exactly how I imagine people who use vr

[@Lutroooo]

2:50 - 3:10 God i laughed so hard

[@x_tils_yx9862]

Interesting, I do wonder why they have a "primary hormone" setting, does it affect some variables with the tracking maybe?

[@spectenix]

I ask the same question

[@KajaKitten]

I think it has something to do with male/female bone structure. Regardless of gender, your biological sex determines how that's made up, and depending on how you move around based on that it'll probably adjust the tracking setup I think it's a funny way of avoiding directly asking if you're a boy or a girl

[@WcaVR]

as a vr FBT user, i'm very interested in trying them!

[@LouisChiaki]

Your BGM is always so beautiful :)

[@ghosty0738]

7:14 primary hormone?? huh??

[@zig131]

Another way of putting it - what hormone triggered your puberty. Hormones have a big effect on the way bodies end up being proportioned so it helps the smart algorithm to know how to track you better. Not everyone identifies with the gender they were assigned at birth or identifies with a gender at all so it's a more inclusive way of getting the information the tracking math needs.

[@Snitchie]

Using iPad pro and pinososft so far... Man these are looking interesting... Must upgrade FBT... Dance dance dance..

[@adicsbtw]

I have yet to see any truly impressive tracking from the StonX trackers in the reviews I've seen, at least in comparison to SlimeVR. I made my own DIY trackers that I've used quite a bit, and the tracking quality is noticeably better from my experience. As well as this, my trackers are DIY trackers that I made myself, and the production ready trackers will have significantly better IMUs for tracking. I do think StonX has potential, and has a place if they do the vision and IMU fusion they showed originally, but as purely IMU based trackers, SlimeVR seems to stack up better from my experience

[@pighaver]

CBT and FAP? WHERE CAN I GET THEM?

[@TheVRSwordsman]

4:39 as a fellow tall person I feel your pain 😔

[@redoneenergy]

Twice I know you know about the HaritoraX 1.1 but have you heard about the new HaritoraX wireless?

[@striderwhiston9897]

The CBT and FAP part... pure comedy.

[@Eskoxo]

i think the price difference is not high enough to deal with all the extra headaches on software not to mention warranty etc

[@RoZioNoiR]

We are a registered company so you'll have warranty on the stuff.

[@lixulia]

Agreed

[@zerocool6452]

Warranty won't be a problem and software will get better when it ships.

[@nerazg0ne]

I need the Pochita avi its so cute 😭😭😭

[@token2win578]

now i know my next vr upgrade

[@Melyaku]

It’s 12am but it’s XMAS

[@Sanquinity]

For now it looks like I'll be sticking to vive, as that jitter is really bothering me. But in another 2~3 years I bet they'll have become much better. At which point...well I feel like HTC might start rethinking their own products (or at least the prices) as I feel like stonx/haritorax/slime will become way more popular by then. If not leave vive in the dust entirely.

[@zerocool6452]

That jitter is only there because of an antenna that doesn't meet up to their spec and that will get fixed once they ship.

[@izmer67]

Bro I’m in Canada and the tundra trackers are like 750$ alone

[@adriangronlund]

Could you consider posting more often? I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS

[@Kayabauwu]

when you think about it all meta needs is to allow slime or another fbt company to be able to have stand alone fb

[@Lowkeyidek_]

Lid was here~

[@-DCM-]

Can't wait to see them available, from a retired crew chief.

[@Mitaiii]

Another Twice vid Pog!!!

[@WitherRage]

5:47 what does erp gotta do with cartwheels lmaoo

[@luvtofuuu4533]

Your avatar kinda looks like hori from horimiya is that where your inspiration came from?

[@shadowsumo7411]

I bought these vive 3.0 three trackes and 2.0 base station everything is working fine but when i turn my character chest wont trun its stays there please help what can I do here

[@microgamestation]

You need at least 2 base stations for 360 degree tracking.

[@mastrkool]

Man, there’s so many options for full body these days, I can’t decide which one to get

[@callgrl]

As someone who's built their own slimevr, modded an Oculus Rift, used kinect for a bit and even tried April Tags. I can tell you that there's nothing at the moment that gets close to Tundra/Vive.

[@zerocool6452]

@@callgrl Will be nice to see how close StonX can get to Light House tracking once the Beacons come out.

[@zig131]

StonX looks to very competitive on a price-to-performance standpoint and has the optional convenience of a charging dock but of course it isn't here yet so it depends if you're willing to wait a few months. What gets me excited about StonX is the plan to add an outside-in option in the long-term so eventually StonX could be used to track controllers and headsets as well. The PCVR ecosystem could really benefit from an open, interoperable, tracking system that isn't over-engineered like Lighthouse. Lighthouse tracking is great but has moving parts which require precision and quality assurance meaning they will always be expensive. Through smart software, Rift CV1 Constellation tracking provides near Lighthouse accuracy but with much cheaper components. StonX could do the same thing while being open to other companies licencing it meaning small companies can release great VR products without having to develop their own tracking or rely on their customers already having expensive hardware.

[@TaylorTheOtter]

At that price I wonder how it's gonna compete with slimeVR. I didn't see anything that makes them better (specs wise) other than battery life but if they're bringing it to market, StonX must feel like they can compete somehow.

[@SiN_KYRA]

that, and that they are smaller, lighter, -claim to be super optimized both hardware-wise (that's how you get 20hrs of battery in such a small device) as well as software-wise (and supposedly the software is very user-friendly), -don't need a specific wifi connection (they provide a dongle for that) and supposedly won't need as much bandwidth as slimes, -have a seperate tracking data algorithm (F.A.P) that has advantages like fine-tuned skating correction (but clearly needs the love and time that slimevr algorithm has received), -use earth's magnetosphere to correct drift (according to dev, zero drift throughout the entire 20hrs of battery), -charging might be less of a hassle (but I can't confirm cus my slimes havent arrived yet), -and that they're an investment considering, when the stonx tracker beacon drops, these will (allegedly) become vive-tracker precise. -also, SOCKSSS

[@LOOKATCJ233]

There's supposed to something like base station for the trackers but they come separate

[@LOOKATCJ233]

Not out yet idk when

[@zolaanimaniac5224]

How does stonx do under blanket?

[@Galcia-d21]

my friend got these and he said all jitter can be fixed with ovr smooth tracking I don't have them myself because I use slime vr so I can't confirm this to be true

[@nocnestudio]

It's working on real Time??? Where to buy IT??

[@Silver_Shade1]

so I noticed that when you were setting up the trackers and headset you were using a pc to get it done. my question is are they capable of connecting to a quest two? and if they are are they capable of being connected by using a Mac instead of a pc?

[@saliqueen2891]

you can use a pc or a macbook,Thats the same 😎

[@djdemonic666]

No I am crossing my fingers and hoping to god that they will work with Quest

[@sanaltdelete]

How is the drift on these? I had HaritoraX before and it SUUUCKED. Every like 20 mins I had to get up and recalibrate them because the drift was so bad. Now I have Tundra's but to be honest, they lose tracking so often it just looks funny.

[@3L1A55s]

it makes me wonder, how expensive it'd be to make base station like light houses, that come with a set of trackers for around that much. Like I had the idea of, you know the 2016 oculus rift that came with those tracking stations or what ever, someone should incorporate that with trackers to have as good performance as vive trackers.

[@callgrl]

If we lived in a fantasy land, where meta made the source code for the firmware of the Rift and the Rift controllers open-source, we could have lighthouse tracking quality for a fraction of the cost. But sadly meta is meta...

[@zig131]

Rift CV1 Constellation Tracking is really good and on par with Lighthouse while using much cheaper components. Unfortunately fully owned/controlled by Meta who seem to have no interest in using it themselves or licensing it out 😔 However the long-term plan for StonX is to add their own outside-in tracking method to the existing trackers. The first version of StonX was outside-in and a smart method of doing that was developed that is different from Valve/Vive and Meta's methods. Once the IMU-only version is out, work will switch to providing an option to upgrade those trackers to be trackable with "Beacons". It should result in Lighthouse quality tracking but using cheaper components. StonX could eventually be used to track controllers and even headsets!

[@dan3a]

Actually something the StonX team has planned for a bit later lol, plus cool thing about that is that they're going to make it able to dynamically switch between optical and IMU in case of occlusion

[@SWISS349]

so i went to there web site and it show only the 290 dollar one does that have 6 trackers or just one also can it work for quest 2

[@LOOKATCJ233]

I was about to spend life savings on vive trackers now I can spend it one month and just chill out with stonx

[@KajaKitten]

Is this compatible with HTC Vive Elite? I don't wanna buy a whole new headset

[@GemUnicornn]

can you use stonx with vive

[@Ftgdryb]

How much money is it for 14 of those trackers

[@deadlyspore3354]

currently waiting for my haritoraX to show up, i cant wait to no longer be a cripple

[@Hugal.]

Finally Twice upload 🥵

[@OsiZ]

Where to buy these

[@whippame279]

@Twice what pc do you have?

[@oldWanderer69]

So basically that same price as my gaming labtop

[@spectenix]

4:37 The "Primary Hormone" space confuses me. I don't really know how it's supposed to affect calibration and I find it peculiar, especially when I'm trans and I don't know what yout primary hormone would imply when it comes to tracking. This isn't a problem for me. It just has me genuinely confused.

[@KajaKitten]

I think it has something to do with male/female bone structure. Regardless of gender, your biological sex determines how that's made up, and depending on how you move around based on that it'll probably adjust the tracking setup I think it's a funny way of avoiding directly asking if you're a boy or a girl

[@spectenix]

@@KajaKitten That's not a very reliable way of determining that. Not even all biological men/women have the same bone structure. If that was the reason, it would be better to ask for actual measurements

[@itzbeelzebuddy]

I would honestly get these if they're planning on making improvements to the tracking. Ik since they're cheaper they won't be perfect but the less jitter the better for me

[@FeatheryLatte]

I keep hearing about amazing and cheap FBT I start to wonder if in like 3 years Vive will become one of the worse options

[@LittleRat6969]

I use a phone camera and it works surprisingly well

[@jan_Sanku]

These look very promising! What's your opinion on HaritoraX? They seem similar in concept, and are also basestation-less

[@zig131]

Like HaritoraX but cheaper! An advantage of HaritoraX, is that all the trackers are wired together so you only need to charge one thing. But that does make it a bit messy - see Thrillseeker's video on it - and StonX has an optional charging dock so you can charge all 6 trackers with a single cable.

[@jan_Sanku]

@@zig131 oh i see. so that + better battery life and the fact that both support the same amount of total trackers, should ultimately make these the better choice. and the memes of course

[@kuroyukihime1]

Stonx-Chan on that program has me feeling things i never thought I would 🥵🥴

[@TwiceVR]

PAUSE

[@StonXAB]

Hold up

[@flakooo]

Let’s gooo new video🎉

[@FrontwaysLarry]

_Stonks._ ↗

[@melodienimweltraum1649]

the jitter is completly fine because VRChat network code isnt good enough to pick up on it and show it to other people. You see jitter, others dont.

[@NixionAnimations]

Let's be real, nobody really gets FBT unless its for VRChat. Honestly? That bothers me. I'm tired of the vrc cycle, i enjoy hanging out with friends and i have my own group, but when it comes to vr i'd rather do something than hang around. (Luckily my new found group provides this, but outside of them, i dont even care enough to get on vrc). I know there are other games that have fbt support like blade and sorcery, which is a game i love, but if you played b&s long enough you know how quickly that can get dull too. I just wish there was more, more for fbt, more for vr in general, breaks my heart its still such a small thing. If i had more reason to get fullbody tracking other than floating in the air when i lay down on my bed in vrchat, i wouldve gotten it decades ago but im holding on to my money. And the best part is despite all that, i still want it lol.

[@bobthebuilder-g5h]

do you neeed a pc?

[@masoniscool864]

What's better slime or stonx

[@drunkenlemon1624]

Well, SlimeVR- simply because StonX didn't reach their fundraising goal, so they're not coming out.

[@dan3a]

Nice

[@howhestand]

🤨🤨🤨

[@mr.shgamingguy]

Imagine if feet were in VR chat

[@monkeee123_2]

I have had the urge to get full body tracking and finally a wallet friendly trackers😂

[@battlepigglet6342]

Stonks tracker?