These Van Life Parents are ABUSIVE

[@Caleb_FC]

i remember one where the daughter’s only wish was to stay in a hotel for her birthday and the mom kept saying “she loves the van she just wanted a change of environment!”

[@danika9411]

This is so sad!

[@blackbear7624]

oh yeah it’s the same family who video their daughter punishment in this video. and they didn’t even give her a hotel room, instead they get an apartment/air bnb and everyone cram into that one apartment. with her wish i would’ve guess that she wants some alone time in her hotel room just enjoying it herself

[@nonamenoface3654]

Didn't the mom also admit said birthday kid always ask for hotel rooms for their birthdays? Mom said it off hand like the kid was "quirky" for wanting to not sleep in a coffin for a night.

[@lizzynoelle1959]

yes FamilyOfNomads. that same daughter ended up with an eating disorder and the mom said "we though she had anorexia but we didnt realize how bad it was" so they literally knew something was up but didnt care until it got more severe

[@laurenc4138]

@@lizzynoelle1959 I’m so glad someone else sees this! Honestly this family screams “my kids are just accessories”. That poor kid is SO mentally unwell, she had such a severe ED that she was hospitalized for SIX MONTHS while her POS parents went traveling. The mother literally has flown to Florida to get a haircut but left her poor defenseless struggling daughter at a hospital for an eating disorder that was obviously reactionary to her surroundings. Then they post a video about how “these things are no one’s fault” basically saying “we 100% aren’t to blame this is just something that happens” Like no tf it’s not. I hate them and I hate how they have this like army of mindless zombies who regurgitate praise back to them on every single video. It feels like a cult anytime on of their shorts pops up.

[@amethystimagination3332]

The fact that two of the children in the first clip are sleeping on the actual floor with no mat or anything and the parents have no problem with that is upsetting to say the least.

[@ili719]

I think that that family posted videos in their house too

[@dani_drawzz]

Probably creates terrible back problems as well…

[@iluVioletLink]

i've seen the comments section on that video, and seeing the creators like commenters who are like "well haven't YOU slept on the floor before?" And like. That's besides the point. Yes it could be normal to sleep on the floor but only like on the veeeeeeeeeeery occasion like sleep overs, staying over at a family's house... those once in a lifetime scenarios... but on a TINY VAN? with MULTIPLE CHILDREN? Even people who sleep on the floor needs to have comfortable mattresses/padding, or that they'd use something like a futon, etc. But on the floor, bare, and only having some shit like a sleeping bag is just sad.

[@dani_drawzz]

@@iluVioletLink It’s even worse when the parents have a full sized bed and walking room.

[@amethystimagination3332]

@@iluVioletLink Yeah, when people sleep on the floor it’s usually only for a night or two, not their whole childhood

[@XxfelixzxX]

I remember seeing a van life were the kid literally asked to go to a Hotel for their birthday, just a normal none special hotel, just to be able to sleep in a normal bed. That broke my heart

[@cuddlybear8732]

Omg that's horrible I hope that kid got what they wanted

[@riftendrifter]

wait is that the same family whose daughter had to be hospitalized for an ED?

[@deadflypremium]

@@riftendrifter yup

[@d3c34t]

​@J3ster! eating disorder

[@st_z0na]

@J3ster! eating disorder

[@thatspiritthingthatfollows4229]

The fact that the parents have this huge ass bed for themselves while the kids are either sleeping on the ground or in DIY coffins is just depressing. When I was young & was living in a really small rent house due to money problems, my parents would give the bed to me & my siblings while they slept on the floor. They prioritized our comfort over theirs so seeing these "parents" living the way they dreamed of while the kids are suffering boils my blood so much.

[@hello_there-kenobi]

They couldn’t stand to not have room to make more siblings to cram into shelves

[@theorangeanglerfish]

honest respect to those parents for prioritizing their GROWING CHILDREN over themselves.

[@V8blue]

You had loving parents.

[@hoodiehoodie5328]

If I become a parent, I would 100% do the same. I could not imagine putting my comfort over my kids'

[@ViriKyla]

Ikr!

[@nealastrickland3064]

I was almost a van kid. My parents moved across the country to get away from toxic family. They were understandably stoked and wanted to cruise the coast in a beat-up 2000 Toyata Corolla. They had the time of their lives until 3 year old me asked to go "home" and pointed to a hotel. That's when it hit them that traveling forever wasn't good for me. They immediately moved us into a rental home with my very own bedroom. It wasn't very big, but that house gave me a stable childhood and a good education. It's a story that proves to me that my parents love me unconditionally.

[@felixonpaws..]

Your parents are good people who love you very much 🥺

[@Tea_laBlue]

So glad they figured it out and put you first 😊

[@FishyFinster]

W parents

[@Kooldood0874]

"here, you obviously deserve this more than me" 🫴👑 *Your parents *

[@Vizedar]

Gotta love responsible parents

[@jscrawford5795]

Seems like a perfect set up for abuse. Always on the move, so teachers, neighbours, doctors, friends etc, can't notice something is going on with the kids. Kids can't form any relations with any other adult, so they have no one, no 'safe' adult to turn to if they need to.

[@toxihex876]

I'm pretty sure they're typical narcissists, judging by their inability to grasp the simple fact their kids need certain basic things and their reaction to backlash. When someone responds with "well you're still giving me engagement by commenting so the joke's on you HAHAHAHA" it's commonly because they can't understand that the person opposing them isn't out to make them feel as much pain as possible, and even if they are, they realize their contribution through engagement is so small that it doesn't matter. It's a "mommy's special stash" amount of copium to want to grasp at something so small just to feel like you're on top as much as possible. Even in middle school I found that argument to be beyond silly, idk what their mental age has to be.

[@phloats.]

Also, everything the children are doing is probably monitored. Almost all of the families shown in this vid only have a thin curtain separating each of the rooms, so there is no way these children have ever felt the sweet feeling of actually having any privacy.

[@loze2804]

the entire "living" situation is already abuse

[@sammyssandwich]

@@toxihex876 yeah, saying "your still giving me engangement by commenting" is a terrible ass excuse for child abuse.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

Kid named Enoch=automatic religious lunatics. Let alone also being van parents...

[@mial4770]

I am 15 years old and currently living in a caravan with my parents, sister (13) and two dogs For 6 months. Not for money issues but to “Learn about the road life 🤠”. I hate it. The bathrooms are tiny, I can’t sit up in my bunk bed without smacking my head on the roof , There is no privacy or space, I feel so isolated and alone Homeschool is terrible , Everyone is constantly stressed and fighting, All I want to do is see my friends Please don’t do this to your kids.

[@bangtansbitch_2136]

I feel sorry for you

[@cochondindeseduisant8003]

I hope you're okay, that's horrifying 😢

[@blaska7131]

Hang in there, I know it sux right now but life will get better. I had a similar life experience and I can tell you that as an adult, you'll find and make your place. It's just really really crappy that you have to endure right now and Im sorry for that.

[@Laiba.k]

299th like

[@ru.m.6119]

I hope you can get away from that horrific experience.

[@Cranberrysweets3]

As someone who grew up in an RV this video actually brought tears to my eyes. I never had friends or siblings and my parents didn’t just homeschool me, I just didn’t have school and my room was just a couch in the living room, we didn’t even have a door. I always got called lucky for my lifestyle as a kid. I’ve never seen someone talk about this life in a bad light until this video. Words cannot describe the emotions I feel knowing that people finally care about what it’s like.

[@CharlotteLokAritaTheLazy]

i feel so bad for you man hope ur doing better tho!

[@cinderellaskeleton6720]

Ive gone through something similar ur not alone

[@amy-rose7090]

Oh my god same! I have a brother, thank goodness. But we basically weren’t even allowed to talk to anyone else. My dad would do all the talking, about the lifestyle and how much better it is. How people who live in society are brainwashed. Everyone was impressed at how well behaved my brother and I were. We were silent. We got called lucky too. We didn’t have a door to the toilet, just a curtain, and the shower screen was clear glass. We would live on people’s farms and paddocks, dad would take the car to work and we would be stuck in this paddock all day every day with nothing to do. You can’t have many toys. My mum and brother would play computer games all day, but I never got a turn because my brother hogged the PlayStation and my mum didn’t care. That was when we were lucky enough to have enough electricity for that, a lot of the time we didn’t. I wanted to die and started hurting myself, I’m covered in scars now. It was the most lonely and pointless existence I can possibly think of. But you’re right, everyone who met us thought it was great. There’s even interviews of my parents talking about it here on KZbin, my mum wants them taken down.

[@Wooglagigoo]

Stay strong soldier 🫡

[@sleepy_goth747]

RV kid here, let me tell you, frog is ABSOLUTELY right. I've been living in a camper with my 3 brothers and parents for the past two years, and these past two years have been an absolute detriment to my mental health. Yes, it is an amazing opportunity I've been given to have seen all the places that I have, but I cannot recall a single positive experience anywhere I've been. I receive little to no education and I'm scared I won't be able to pass my GED, I will probably be repeating high school once I turn 18. I'm lucky enough to not have my entire life posted about on the internet, but even then my parents cross the line sometimes when posting to Facebook. There is no privacy, and my two youngest brothers are forced to share a "bed"(a broken dinette) and my other brother sleeps on the couch, while my parents have a large California queen bed with doors and all the privacy in the world. If you are considering this lifestyle with children, you are guaranteeing that you end up in a nursing home in your old age.

[@VetAccountRedacted]

Good luck, mate.

[@Pennyallavodka]

Omg that’s awful! You don’t have to answer this obviously but, do you get any opportunities to work and save up money to move on your own when you turn 18? Like how do kids in that situation find footing to start their own life?

[@Elainaj93]

I wish I could send a ged prep book to you. I got mine at 17. You could try to see if there are any good free prep courses online or videos to help you study. I totally forgot all the sites I use to use.

[@beesquestionmark]

I just can’t imagine this. Me and my bf want to try vanlife for a bit but we even take our cat into consideration when trying to think about what we could do

[@androconiachangeling6535]

Yeeeaaahhh RVs aren't built for 6 people, the only thing I could tell you is to lash out in a way that lowers your parents quality of life so they no longer want to live on an RV.

[@annikahunter247]

That one woman who literally had 3 kids sleeping on the FLOOR OF THE VAN while they got a huge ass bed made my blood boil.

[@shawnariggs2485]

Yep I saw that that made me sick and she wouldn’t specify this one sleeping on the floor. She would say Timmys sleeps here So she didn’t have to explain that her child is literally sleeping on the freaking floor. It’s so sad people think this is acceptable.

[@emcaco]

Seeing that made me scream.

[@hiyylight]

shouldn't parents be the ones who sacrifice their comfort for their children, not the other way? Like of course parents are human beings and should be comfortable, but not at the expense of their children

[@annikahunter247]

@@hiyylight exactly. That’s what I was thinking, which is why it made me so mad

[@oooh19]

@@hiyylight exactly! But many don’t sadly

[@haileeknox1179]

In high school, I had some family issues where for the first semester of my sophomore year, I needed to stay with my grandfather in his diesel pusher RV. Whilst I had a fantastic relationship with my grandfather, he still stressed the idea of privacy and having my own bedroom as a teenager whilst living in an RV setup. This man, a 64 year old retired veteran and firefighter, pending a cancer diagnosis, GAVE HIS 15 YR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER HIS ENTIRE BEDROOM. I feel so guilty as an adult when I think of the back pain and struggle this sleeping arrangement must have gave him, but OH MY GOD do I have the utmost respect for him to be so mindful about my comfort in camper style living. If my grandfather could give a bedroom to a kid in an RV, these parents most definitely should, or avoid the livestyle entirely!

[@kennadiedunn8918]

grandfathers are the best ❤ glad you have that nice memory while going thru a bad time.

[@psychedelicelle]

What the heck!!!!!!! That makes me so happy to hear… Mainly because you appreciate it 🩷

[@nissanjuke2013]

don’t feel guilty, you didn’t put yourself in that situation and i’m sure he was okay with it for your comfort. that’s amazing though, what a man

[@laureneggyolk]

Awww❤❤

[@SadSpaceCowboyClown]

💜💜

[@steventhegamer7187]

Honestly half these vans look like what happens when your Sims accidentally have kids so now you have to cram a toddler bed into the spare bathroom without disturbing the living room arrangement.

[@picklepickle-s3t]

That's when you use the top bunk option you can add bs under

[@LucaSitan]

Whats really concerning is that these parents get to control their kids 24/7. No school, no friends, no outside hobbies. These kids have no one to help them, no one to confide in. And who knows what goes on behind closed doors...I hope they at least sue their parents for the money they were forced to generate for them.

[@EllentheGranen]

… I never thought about it like that, but you’re so right

[@puppetpawss]

Not to mention, with no address and never staying in one place, these families could essentially pick up and run whenever they feel like it if somebody gets smart enough to call CPS

[@bookshelfhoney]

Exactly, it's a total nightmare. The kid can't even go to their room to have a little alone time, so horrific

[@1-Alien-1]

There is nothing bad going on behind those doors, because THERE ARE NO DOORS 💀😭

[@KorianHUN]

​@@puppetpawss something something Epstein... horrifying what could bd happening to these kids.

[@PaniPunia]

There's a book written by a woman who was raised on a boat. One day her parents decided to sell their house in England, buy a yacht and sail through the world. Let me tell you - she had to work very, very hard to get education and build a life for herself, and she doesn't have warm feelings for her parents.

[@PaniPunia]

Wavewalker: breaking free by Suzanne Heywood, if anyone's interested.

[@SamPostStuff]

Thank you for the book title! I was gonna say, this video and this book reminds me of another book, The Glass Castle by Jeanette Walls, an autobiographical memoir. The family's situation is different compared to this book as they had to scrape to get by throughout certain points of the authors life, but the parents do follow the drifter/nomadic lifestyle, and does cover adult themes such as abuse, alcoholism and brief sexual assault. I read it in school and it moved me a lot. I won't get into spoilers but it does end on a lighter/bittersweet tone, mainly in regards to how the author views her life and her parents, but relating to this video, quite frankly there would be no shame if the kids resent their parents for this van life and I hope they get out of it and are able to get their lives back on track. It really won't be easy and it's something I feel like I'd lose sleep over on their behalf. These parents I don't think are able to fathom what this will do to their children.

[@adrianomaly1760]

Yeah, I read the article she wrote to accompany the book release

[@K1S7Z3]

That's exactly what I was thinking about when watching this video

[@Jennifer-mv9pg]

Cost 10 years of her life and I think she was lucky to survive disasters such as storms and shipwrecks. Who puts their kids' lives at risk?

[@amberferrell2951]

As an abused kid, this kind of life makes child abuse so easy and very hard to track or report.

[@di7209]

Like yeah child services sucks quite a lot of the time but this amount of isolation really makes it easy for parents to get away with using them since there are no other adults looking out for them.Especially since it’s usually teachers or neighbours or friends parents that report signs

[@Kb-gh2rk]

Oof. This didn’t even occur to me. Holy shit you are a thousand percent right. Sorry you went through that.

[@Fangirl1327]

Exactly!

[@shadowsoulless6227]

Yeah they're constantly on the move so they don't have neighbors that see them routinely They don't have any friends in person because they don't stay in the same place consistently They don't go to school so teachers/counselors can't see any changes in them or recognize any signs of abuse For all anyone knows these families could be sexually abusing their children and because they are in charge of their social media and they are the ones editing the videos, It wouldn't come out until the kids become adults and escape. Then it will be "child abused for 18 years, No one around to help" or something

[@nobodyimportant1968]

@@shadowsoulless6227 And, unfortunately, a child exposed to lifelong abuse in isolation is likely to take a lot longer than just 18 years to leave an abusive environment - especially bc constant movement also like, perfectly prevents a teenager from ever having a first job, and possibly might even prevent them from getting a driver's license until they escape the abusive environment. leaving an abusive partner as an adult is one thing. i've helped ppl escape before and the amount of work it takes and time it takes all while the person continues to face abuse while working their ass off to escape is just... horrifyingly endless. and, you can't really hide a secret stash of money/a diary/resources/etc in such a small space...

[@VAnotes2]

“Where’s your room?” “Oh it’s on shelf #3”

[@Omnibushido-]

“The bathroom”

[@Mustafais69]

​@@Omnibushido-😂

[@awddfg]

"The driver seat"

[@WildTheFemboy]

​@@awddfg"The fuel tank"

[@anamonoke]

As someone who due to financial reasons had to sleep in the same bed as their mother till they were 12. Seeing these people willing do this to their children just boils my blood.

[@leonlastname8070]

yeah same here. makes me pissed of for sure

[@sammythewizard420]

I shared a bed with my mom, dad, AND sister for YEARS. Lemme tell you it was hard even tho i was used to it. I didnt have ANY privacy. and for these parents to CHOOSE to do this it blows my mind

[@justine8387]

I am sorry you had to do this everyone deserves their own space and privacy.

[@hyde3155]

I shared a room w my brother and parents till i was like 7 or 8 and then shared a room w my younger brother till i was like 12. Then i shared a room w my grandma till i was 14 when after surgery she moved into my older brothers room and in result i lived w my brother untill my grandma died and he moved back at round 15. The privacy i have now is yhe best thing that ever happened to me. I dont get the parents that force their kids to share rooms if they have enough money not to. I get that my family doesnt have enough money so i understand y i didnt have my privacy for a long time, but purposefully people doing that infuriates me.

[@masochismtango]

@@hyde3155 i had to share a room with my brother till i was about 10. i feel bad for these kids truly, the parents have a choice to let their kids have privacy but they dont give them it. it boils my blood.

[@dramallamarama5300]

It’s the fact that, without fail, the parents always have a massive bed in their own private room (aka the baby factory) with real doors and 4 walls. All the while their 7th born is sleeping on the kitchen table.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

For real though why is it always the families in the 99th percentile of number of children

[@vivii__]

"baby factory" I'm in tears 😭😭😭

[@irlginger]

Baby factory…☠️

[@Camilla.rc8]

No bc why where some ppl making their kids sleep on the floor

[@GOUdamn]

Stoooop having children 💀💀💀💀💀

[@primusadversary401]

And most of the time, if you hear it from the kids perspective, the kids are miserable because they have NO privacy and don't get to grow up in a normal, comfortable household.

[@NYD666]

That's is completely untrue. I'm glad I grew up a traveler. There are ways to have your own privacy.

[@Umbra_Dux]

@@NYD666 Did you notice them say ""Most of the time"" ? Your experience is not universal

[@xgothxbunnyx]

@@NYD666 you remind me of those people who like to compare trauma. Just because your life was great in this lifestyle doesn’t mean everyone else’s is.

[@avayoung6720]

Ummmmm yessssss thank you for knowing that

[@lain1437]

@@NYD666 not when your parents are recording you for money…..

[@cortlundtowell5252]

I grew up in a very similar situation. This is serious abuse! I was raised as 1 of 13 homeschooled children belonging to a Active Duty Military Family. While we always had a house and bedrooms. I never got to know true personal privacy till I moved out. There were often 2-4 of us per bedroom depending on the given house we were staying in at the time. With my Dad being moved every 2-4 years to a different Duty Station. We were never grounded enough to be properly socialized and I have spent the better part of my late teens and still into my 20s unable to fit in. My childhood was littered with emotional, physical, mental, and sexual abuse. And no one could help. Because we were never in a place long enough for anyone to notice. Around 12 my mother decided we needed to take everything a step further and started "homesteading" (they thought my Dad wouldn't get promoted, therefore wouldn't be moved and he would retire att). My mom bought Goats, Chickens, Guineas, and a couple working dogs. What was already a very bleak and stressful existence was now compounded by literal farm chores. My sister and I had to get up at 5:30 am every morning and milk 10+ goats and attend the rest of the farms daily needs. For reference, every animal aside form the birds on this farm either weighed as much as, or more than me. Kidding season was straight nightmare fuel. By 13 i could kid (midwife for goat basically) 10+ Doe's in a week. This usually often involves putting ones entire arm into a birthing goat's hoohaa and rotating the kid (baby goat) so that it will come out the right way. at 14, I could still barely write my own name. I wasn't proficient in any academics outside of religious history and basic english. I was severly underweight, had worms, didn't sleep, etc. Sounds like I should be in a rural Serbian village not the US. My Dad did end up getting promoted and we had to move, So thankful bye bye farm. My mother then decided that we still needed excessive responsibilities, we, underdeveloped in almost every measurable metric, children who don't even know how to take care of ourselves. So my Mom decided having Show dogs was the next best thing. Every kid gets a Dog! Cus thats ingenious! It would be in this "sport/community" that I would be also subjugated to the abuse (of all flavors!) by the many depraved and immature adults of this fine industry. Lets just rub some salt in that wound cus your own family doing it, surely doesn't suck enough. My Father was an angry drunk and my mother is a self righteous narcissist. Anyway lets fast forward to today! Just last month I can finally say I have physically recovered. For the first time in my life I am not underweight. I am married happily to my beautiful wife. I have an extensive resume and stable job. and that's about all I got fixed rn. I am emotionally stunted/illiterate. I can only function in high stress, high demand environments. I have attempted to actually figure out if God actually exist, twice. I have been ML'd, RP'd many times by family, family friends, and strangers alike. I do not have an actual high school diploma. My wife and I's biggest similarities lie in how bad our childhoods were, or lack of them, I guess. I'm currently the only child my parents have produced that has a career and is married. Why bother to share all this? IDK! its TMI so sorry. But anytime I have to learn about other kids having to suffer in new inventive ways due to shitty parents. It makes my otherwise emotionless cold heart burn with fury. Your take away from this if you've read this far (congrats!). If you see a child suffering, TELL SOMEBODY! CALL CPS! Don't fool yourself and think someone else already has or maybe you just saw a one time thing. SAY SOMETHING! No one, and I mean NO ONE (not even hitler) deserves to grow up the way i did or like the poor kids in this video.

[@apricotpeachhamster]

Omg……I can’t believe the trauma you went through……happy you’re better now❤

[@cortlundtowell5252]

@@apricotpeachhamster i appreciate it! One step at a time ❤️

[@tanya-789]

​@@cortlundtowell5252 I wish you and your wife healing and stability ❤

[@JessJayEel]

Man, I hope that rage can turn into passion because these kids deserve better than that. Why doesn't CPS intervene in cases like these?

[@cortlundtowell5252]

@@JessJayEel in my case it fell under military law or JAG as they call it. My dad was too high up and too important for anything to stick, plus the people reporting us were doing the same or worse to their own kids. On top of, as kids we were taught everything outside our parents was literal biblical hell. so we kept our mouths shut out of fear of what our parents said foster care was. And from a few of my friends I have now that did go through foster care. It wasn't far off the mark. In cases like this everyone knows the kid is fucked either way so they would rather preserve the parents image and leave the kids rather than put them in a system that will is just as bad or worse. Severe change is needed

[@somestranger8530]

I truly feel for these children, especially the fact that that one girl was humiliated online because she “didn’t do the chores,” and these parents sharing her punishment online is just horrible.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Thinking on it, why even present this as a punishment? OK, your kid wanted to not do her chore. Then just let her know that she will have to do it tomorrow. That isn't a punishment, that is just honest time management. Presenting it as this punishment is just trying make yourself look tougher than you are.

[@2turg_2furious]

@@rosesweetcharlotte also I feel like it teaches the kid that chores are just punishments and not something you do because you need to because it will help you if that makes sense

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@2turg_2furious Exactly. Chores are just things which have to be done. I definitely did my chores better when I felt like I didn't HAVE to do them or worse things would happen

[@robynmontgomery9826]

At least the parents are making money off their child punishment porn.

[@emilyviktorija9012]

Not to mention creating a child who will be a perfect victim of capitalist exploitation, being psychologically primed since childhood to know that your worth is based on your ability and willingness to do physical labor.

[@Scintillate9]

I have seen a total of one van life family I approve of. They have a large RV and only one child, and they clearly prioritize him. He has a large area all to himself, and even a little extra area for friends. They keep track of his friends so whenever they’re in the same area they meet up, so even traveling the country he has a consistent group. And it’s very clear he’s *enthusiastic* about his life and enjoying it. Because of how clearly the parents prioritize the child and go out of the way to make sure his needs are met, I’m okay with them. It’s horrifying they’re the exception.

[@astryslii]

Whats the channels name?

[@dragonfruits1950]

@@astryslii can you also tag me in the answer please?

[@tracygowans6292]

It’s the momtrotter I believe I love their channel

[@salamander6014]

ooo that's neat

[@lilianabacilio5812]

See I def see this as a cool good thing especially considering US education in comparison. I thought you could do it right like this. From the comments people grew up like you’re describing and actually enjoyed that life. Parents online are so selfish these days

[@hanscapon222]

Never forget the original van lifers, The Thornberries, and how much their eldest hated it. Eliza may have loved the adventure and exploration, but she was pretty young. Debbie was a teenager with no structured life or social group and was so desperate for it that she begged to go to boarding school.

[@cheshirenevande4701]

And she loved it, from what I remember. She thrived at boarding school.

[@hanscapon222]

@@cheshirenevande4701 exactly, because Debbie hated living in the van and thrived in the stability of boarding school

[@queenelizabee7246]

wow that’s deep

[@paolamiao3580]

Damnn, thats sadd

[@kwallmeep2216]

Don’t forget their youngest child that was pretty much feral.

[@ChubbyPug12]

On the second clip, the little girl on the top bunk had like a 2 centimeter crawl space! Do you see those dents on the ceiling!? That is from constantly banging their head. Imagine waking up from a nightmare! I like how the mom asked the youngest about how they like living like this instead of asking the oldest. This is terrible guys!

[@kykawaii803]

Literally.. her head was touching the ceiling 😭

[@ChubbyPug12]

@@kykawaii803 ikr!?

[@norbertfunk2155]

I grew up like this :))) With four other siblings and two pets!! Can confirm IT ABSOLUTELY SUCKS. No privacy, no socialization, no education, no stability or consistency, little to no room for your stuff, and we definitely heard the horizontal tango more than once. AND I actually do have chronic back pain from sleeping on a shelf!! Traumatizing and abusive. I'm glad to be out of there. This video is so painfully spot on.

[@keplrr]

I'm very sorry that happened to you :(( I hope you're doing much much better now!

[@norbertfunk2155]

@@keplrr I’m doing a lot better! I have my own apartment now and plenty of space to breath. Genuinely hate that this sort of thing isn’t more talked about. Kids shouldn’t be treated like luggage for parents to pack up and move around as they please.

[@anonymouscausewhynot]

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Glad that you’re out of there!

[@Z5Z5Z5]

Can't wait for the abandonment and anxious attachment issues

[@chaos_is_my_guilty_pleasure]

Well damn mate, that sounds rough as heck. Hope you're doing better.

[@eerie_descent]

As someone who grew up in an RV, you dont just hear your parents go at it. The entire thing rocks. These people are keeping therapists employed...

[@onlyvalidmgk5987]

I gasped. I hope you're working on ways to traumatise them back

[@M1AH]

smells like nursing home for your parents

[@invadercow1533]

Jesus Christ… You think they would do it outside or in a hotel or something…

[@killadelfia]

That's fucking horrifying.

[@Bakugoukatsuki-sk9pq]

Are you ok I will call you a therapist 🫠🙃

[@teacherCF]

Anytime a "bedroom" for children is primarily another space, like a living room or dining room for adults, that space will not feel like the child's space. I'm a firm believer that tiny houses can be done amazingly well, but you have to actually incorporate your children into the design and not tack them on as an afterthought

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

Totally agree. A couple was featured on a KZbin channel regarding their tiny home, and their son’s bed was a dog bed put on the bottom shelf of their clothes drawer…. Everyone was asking what happens when the couple wants alone time, and some one said they shut the drawer 🤣💀.

[@cosmicreef5858]

Especially not 12 of them These people do not deserve kids. If you are not willing to learn from the first to prepare for them because they DESERVE IT or at least do not put them through the same struggle as the first little one then you do not care for them and it makes you a psycho

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

Yeah. I didn't have it nearly this bad, but my room was also "the guest room" ie, none of my stuff was in there, and any adult who came to visit meant I was turfed out onto the pull out sofa. That alone has given me a complex - I'm so fierce about my stuff and my space because of it, and that was inside a house where I got an education and socialisation. These poor buggers...

[@courtneycherry5582]

Right mom and dad get their private place why not the kids too.

[@w_7337]

I live in a poorer state, even my mom forced one of her drugged out friends to give the only bedroom of his trailer to his 4-5 year old toddler. "If you have a kid, they deserve a space to theirself. You don't make them suffer for your actions, you give them as much privacy as you can." Is exactly what she told him. All of these adults can't even do that much. They should be putting theirself in shelves and drawers far before they ever make their kids bunk up and sleep there. Give them as much privacy as priority before yourself. They have no respect for these kids, they're just lining them up like objects on the literal shelves of their 'home'. It's disgusting.

[@iovena523]

My brother and I were childhood enemies, but we had separate bedrooms with locks on the door. The mere thought of having a fight with a sibling and not being able to escape the situation is just dreadful.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

The "kid shelf sized accessory" thing made me think of a deeper rooted issue too, the fact so many parents keep having kids just because they love the "baby stage" and how "cute they are" but neglect them when they're older and god forbid development their own thoughts and personality.

[@Nelia2705]

Yes! We should start asking "do you want to be a parent" instead of "do you want a baby" because it puts more emphasis on "there's more than the baby stage". Also, this question should only be asked if we *know* it's okay for the person, because you never know what people are struggling with (like infertility, miscarriage, wanting to be child free).

[@Widdekuu91]

In the case of Christians, there is no need to ask. They're gambling, ready to win. One day, a bright light will shine out of the cervix and then they know...he's back! And all those Christian! women want to be that woman.

[@franz.francisco]

My mom is like this. She concieved because she wanted a baby daughter, not a child, nor an adult. I'm a guy, and grew out of the age she wanted when i was 8. She's never wanted me, especially after i grew past her "cute little object" age. It messes you up

[@bakageyama222]

@@Nelia2705exactly

[@snail_oatmeal7325]

yes my gosh! my own mother dragged us around like a burden from state to state and when we finally stopped moving she decided she had enough and i was old enough to abandon me with my early 20s brothers for a kid that is in no way related to her, just a kid that doesn’t see her for who she is. i feel sorry for the kid often because she really doesn’t deserve my “mother” as a “parent” or her father as one either. they’re both high school drama queens..poor kid having to deal with BOTH of them?

[@CarmenWinstead-o6z]

This is just terrifying. I went to a sleepover at 2 twin van life kids, and they were all just constantly asking me questions on how our house is like. I told them everything, and they begged me, my parents, and their parents to have a sleepover at my house. They came over, and were extremely scared after the youngest one had taken a ten minute shower instead of a five minute one. They couldn’t take showers longer then ten minutes, causing them to never have hot water. It was so sad that the youngest one came out crying because she though she was in trouble. I seriously don’t go one day without thinking about them it was so sad.

[@kayaissimo]

Holy smokes! That’s horrible, I hope they’re better now.

[@yarddweller]

That sounds more like a situation they were forced into due to money. If not, and it was the parents' choice, ew.

[@Ariiibryanttt]

Omg hopefully your parents or u said it’s okay when she took a long shower cus she deserves it ❤

[@Sharkcookiess]

Oh that’s so sad wow they don’t deserve that

[@brauliolopezmariscal1400]

Ain’t no way. I need at least 10min to shower

[@poke-charlie]

the irony of “my children can’t have technology as a punishment” while your parents film a tiktok about how great your shitty living situation is

[@5unR4e]

​@@emilypurdy2097 Why would someone buy likes for a random comment on a random video? Also, people can like but not comment. That just means they appreciate the input, but have nothing to add on.

[@poke-charlie]

@@emilypurdy2097 do you really think id spend money on a youtube comment you dumbass

[@MegaKhelditia]

Somehow, the way you phrased that, made it plain to me that "No Electronics," as a punishment of a kid at any housing level, sounds suspiciously like, "You can't call for help while the memory is fresh!" 😢

[@valentinagiovanardi6080]

For someone with very little room for toys or offline hobbies, the no-technology punishment hits different than it would having more options

[@emilyjohn2034]

Not just no technology but also added the punishment of CANT PLAY OUTSIDE! And ya that’s until they finish all their chores but it’s a small child they deserve brakes and to try and push them away from playing outside is insane

[@CopperPenny53]

I had a cousin who bought a van and went on a trip with her boyfriend, they had a lot of fun but eventually she got pregnant, the difference between her and these moms is she immediately moved back home and got a house like a road away from school, settled down, got a stable job and living condition just for her baby, she then got twins and has 3 kids now lol. Love her, she’s so sweet lol.

[@Kitunae]

In Stardew Valley - the family in the trailer, the parent Pam sleeps on the couch and she made sure the daughter Penny has a proper room with a door. Pam is a struggling alcoholic and even she has her priorities set right. Unlike these folks!

[@lieeemss]

I love stardew for this "little" detail

[@N95j]

now that you point it out, it seems even more sad. *fictional* people have better life choices than real, breathing humans..

[@Lu_c_]

Yes, i really liked that detail

[@doritogacha123]

OMG YES STARDEW!

[@buttered_bread299]

Stardew is awesome Yet terrifying

[@thegalaxypenguin1635]

Molly didn’t do her chores last night, so we stopped the bus and kicked her off to survive on her own in the forrest. We will be back in a week to check on her progress.

[@Karia_Winchester]

It's funny that he compares it to paying a light bill when they live in a fucking van.

[@ShadoeLandman]

Molly celebrates her newfound freedom, independence, and privacy from living in the forest. "Much roomier than the van," a hiker reports to have heard.

[@graetyyy_motherwas.here.1340]

But fr tho

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

@@ShadoeLandman Molly has become one with the beats and the trees and reports that she will never go back to van life. She makes money by posting weekly to her KZbin channel, and by earning tips through teaching lost hikers how to survive till help arrives.

[@nicolemariereads25]

Remember when a Japanese couple did this to their kid to "teach him a lesson?" In bear country? The kid was ultimately found alive and safe, but these people seem like they'd defend their decision to the death.

[@bunnyraptor420]

Due to our situation, when I was 16-17 my mom and I had to live in a camper for a brief period of time after we moved from state to state. And thinking back, she let me have the bedroom area. It was tiny, and had a sliding screen for a door, but I was comfortable, and she let me have that privacy while she slept on the couch in the living area. Seeing these parents just makes me appreciate how my mom handled things.

[@napstablook6479]

Your mom is an amazing woman for that!

[@pukebarbie]

love to you and your mom, hope things are better now 💙

[@noreenelizabeth6617]

If I were in the situation I'd do the same for my boys. I'd find a way that they could have their own space.

[@AHHHHHHHH21]

Your mother seems like an amazing person, way better than these sickos could ever be

[@Eimear..]

Props to your mom girl! 💗

[@Idontknow42756]

As someone who lived in an rv for over a year, whenever my parents decided to get intimate..I could hear EVERYTHING. Traumatizing

[@matth2283]

"We want our kids to be believers, to think for themselves" saying that, but nailing nothing but obedience into their toddlers is crazy. "No chores done? Well time to traumatize you"

[@thesyrupdude]

it also seems like less education in terms of STEM, english writing and grammar as well as their homeschooling practises not actually seeming educational also kinda nails it into me that they just want mini-mes at their beck and call. they arent teaching free thinking or proper skills, but their thinking and skills that benefit them instead of skills they will need once they leave the home and need to find a job. as well as that one guys response to the trolls feels very "yes i know i am doing wrong unto my kids and creating broken people, but yall cant do anything na na na na boo boo"

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

​@@thesyrupdude unfortunately that happens a lot with homeschooling due to the fact that laws surrounding it are basically non-existent. The coalition for responsible home education has a lot of resources on just how bad it is nationwide, but in many states a parent with an active abuse investigation can remove their child from public education to "homeschool" without any kind of paperwork or notification of any kind. The children just stop going to school, and that's that. They're stuck at home with a parent actively being investigated for abuse. And I'll bet you can guess how many of those cases end. There's little to no oversight of homeschooling, even in the "good" states (one of which I live in), and the result is the well educated, well adjusted homeschoolers are the minority. But because they're the only ones that are able to access testing, too many people have a very high opinion of homeschool education. Sure, Megan tested higher than the rest of the 12th grade in her district, but Abby, Max, and Tracy never even got to *be* tested because they either didn't have the resources to get there, or were murdered before they were old enough. It's awful how homeschooling let's parents f up their kids, and nothing is done about it.

[@jeb3180]

@@Izzy-cp8yt you're spot on with this statement but i think it also depends on the system. i was homeschooled for majority of highschool (i only have 3 years of experience so i cant say much) and i used the cambridge system but as a private student so my qualifications are the same as (if not better than) every other highschooler in STEM. but that being said, i became socially inept especially since a lot of the time spent at home was during covid so yeah not a lot of communication which is definitely stunting my growth now that im in my final year of schooling

[@cosmicreef5858]

Also you can not expect something that you are not willing yourself to follow(ESPECIALLY as a parent)

[@saberthecoolest]

“we want our kids to become leaders” the only thing they’re leading at 18 is the escape plan

[@isabellacampeau6172]

A lot of parents don't seem to realize that kids don't only need privacy from the parents, but from each other too.

[@daydream5120]

Exactly! No child is going to want to spend their entire time with their family!

[@user-md7dk9cn8e]

@@daydream5120 Especially a teenager omg! Privacy is so important for an older child’s development. Seems like a lot of these parents are treating their teens like 5 year olds. And even 5 year olds like to have a space they can call theirs.

[@Xx_nickcarraway_xX]

agreed. my house only had two bedrooms that arent the master bedrolm, and theres 3 of us, so my brothers always shared a room until recently when one now lives in the sunroom (its basically just another bedroom at this point). teens need their own spaces to express themselves, id hate it if i had to share because my room is basically where i decirate with all the things i love.

[@Teddy-qs3pc]

!!!!!! 👏🏻seriously👏🏻

[@littlesparrow303]

@@user-md7dk9cn8eyes I was thinking wait til they get into teenage years because they’ll get taller & will want privacy & personal needs

[@chim-chimney]

How can these parents justify their kids sleeping on the FLOOR while they get a huge ass bed? Absolutely infuriating.

[@awryarbi9902]

I was in a van for a week and we did that but we took turns with the comfiest spaces and the floor. These parents suck

[@PippiOnePointOh]

Right?! That one kid was on the bathroom floor! AND! He looked well into his teens!!!

[@anawaldrop2721]

0-9-😮😮😮😅😅😊

[@sage1my]

bro when I was as big as them I was sleeping in my moms bed this is awful

[@funtime_omega7781]

EXACTLY! IT INFURIATES ME!

[@kochamchmurki4122]

The moment I heard „Enoch” and „Elijah” and the new kids still kept on coming I understood everything

[@cockroachfather9501]

I feel like the cute van life is for like- young couples without kids. Or like old people who just hit retirement age and just wanna travel.

[@isabellavalencia8026]

And the homeless.

[@katie.hin.1318]

I think it could work with like a young child who wont care about privacy as much or like as a summer roadtrip thing.

[@dreamkitty]

@@katie.hin.1318 definitely non-school aged children and if so, only the summers. no kid would enjoy this lifestyle full time.

[@katie.hin.1318]

@@dreamkitty oh yeah absolutely, like no older than six unless their doing a big summer trip in the rv

[@tonyamell23]

@@katie.hin.1318 Exactly!! Maybe like a toddler, but 12 kids??!!! That’s just plain crazy!!

[@souperbulous1349]

As someone who was a "van life kid" for around a year ( alongside my two younger brothers ), I can confirm it was absolutely terrible. Difficult to make friends, difficult to find any sort of privacy, and difficult to grow and navigate your area comfortably.

[@spideysenses4275]

i an only imagine

[@Aroace_simp]

Same I lived in an rv for 4-5 years growing up

[@algsunshine7075]

But that's still not abuse and you had a better life than literally half of the planet

[@souperbulous1349]

@algsunshine7075 Not once in my comment did I refer to it as abuse. Nor did I say I had it worse than anyone. I was simply stating that, yes, being a van life kid absolutely **sucks**. It damaged me in ways I still can't quite explain and haven't completely healed from yet. While I am grateful that I had the opportunity to travel and try something new, it doesn't change the fact that the experience was absolutely awful and if i can avoid it, I hope to never live like that again. 🤷‍♀️

[@christinaassioura2160]

@@algsunshine7075 it is absolutely abuse

[@faerie5926]

As someone who had to share a normal sized bedroom with their sibling when they were younger, I hated it and was so excited to get my own room- I can't imagine how these kids must feel.

[@blueghost4769]

Same. I always had a lot of trouble falling asleep and my brother snored all the time so it was even harder, i was always so jealous when every pair of siblings i knew started getting their own rooms way before me. I can't imagine what these kids feel, especially the ones that have shelves for a bed, like it looks like they can barely lift their head in there.

[@hnichole]

I hated sharing a room with my sister when we were kids too! We shared a small room from her birth (she's 16 months younger) until I was 17, and I honestly think it was responsible for 99% of our relationship issues. We were just too different -- I liked to stay up and sleep in, she sleeps early and gets up early, we had no room for our respective things and complained about "your side/my side" which wasn't reasonable because the room was too small lol, it was easy for her to just take my stuff because there was no physical boundary of "this is yours, that is mine." Literally as soon as I got my own room, our relationship improved dramatically because we each had our own space, and now my sister and I are super close. We had the option in my house for us to have our own bedrooms too, my dad just refused thinking it would bring my sister and I "closer." I can't imagine how much worse it is for these kids with even less space, less privacy, and more siblings.

[@alexdoorn234]

From birth I shared a room with my triplet brother I liked it actually. And then we had to move into a small flat where I had to share my room with 2 of my brothers. I am happy to have my own room now.

[@lydiaesc7781]

yep same, had to share until i was 14 and he was 17, we both hated it. I was always super excited when he was spending the night at his friend's house because it meant i could have the room to myself, felt like an actual holiday. can't imagine what it would be like with even more siblings + parents VERY close nearby in an even smaller space.

[@krizzygirl206]

My sister and I shared a huge bedroom growing up, but we were still itching for the day we'd get our OWN rooms.

[@Busk_SprayPaint]

Its actually the perfect way for parents to abuse their children. Always on the road, meaning the cps have difficulty finding them, the kids also on the road meaning they have no other parental guardian to go to. Its horrible and i hope cps comes for these people.

[@szweetsztuff]

I once saw a woman on KZbin who lives in a van. She has a queen(ish) sized bed with no kids and a dog. She’s really nice to watch and her dog has a lot of room on her bed. She’s the *only* van life creator I actually watch.

[@bunnyjeans.]

i think I know who you're talking about! I like her as well:)

[@pcbassoon3892]

I think it's fine if all participants are adults.

[@ianaamdan]

true. if you're single or a childless couple, it's definitely fine to live this way.

[@Bustermachine]

@@ianaamdan The problem with every alternative living youtube trend is that the second any of them get traction they got caught in a cycle of one upmanship that eventually complete guts whatever made the trend interesting in the first place. There's a similar trend with hobby channels where you start watching someone when they're making furniture with basic tools and you're really digging it. Five years later and they're popping things on their CNC milling machine . . .

[@TheAngelCreator2009]

Is it Court and Nate ?

[@Montesama314]

The punishment for not doing chores shouldn't be PUBLIC HUMILIATION AND EXPLOITATION BY FAMILY.

[@trinitytaylor3662]

If its any conselation they exploit the kids regularyly so its not a punishment😄👍🏽

[@letonoska7348]

It´s really humiliating. Honestly, while my parents aren´t influencers, they loved posting video´s of me being "clumsy" on Facebook (one time I got stuck in a hole in winter and couldn´t get out because everything was covered in ice and upon seeing this, they got a camera and filmed me for like 35 minutes - why help me?) when I was young, and I fought with them back then about it (to no avail, children´s privacy are up to their parents completely) and I still think that´s messed up. But to upload this for possibly milions of people? How is this still legal? PS: Also imagine knowing so many people know you live like this and probably never seeing the backlash regarding it. Like the whole world´s telling you "yes, we think this is fair to you"

[@QuigleyYT]

I also think kids are always having new experiences, issues or feelings so when a kid who had previously had no problems finishing chores suddenly refuses to, theres a good chance there's a reason behind that (not to mention neuro divergent or disabled kids who may only be beginning to experience their differences and when they don't have the words to explain why things are difficult for them often receive shame or negative assumptions). Obviously they do need to learn that not doing what needs doing leads to consequences, but they also need to learn to manage time, energy and emotions healthily, and might just need to express what's bothering them to be able to do what's asked of them. Whilst shame can be effective in the short term in getting them do stuff, in the long term it'll hinder them emotionally and stunt your relationship with them. And that exploration of why they're struggling can only truly healthily happen in private with people you trust

[@bumbabees]

@@letonoska7348 my sister once did that after she pulled a prank on me. we had an awful relationship and i had a MASSIVE issue with feeling stupid so it was not funny to me then, and it still isnt now. she also once posted pictures of a little "storybook" i made on my tablet. basically about how miserable i was. looking back, sure, it was kind of cringey. but i was eight and i put a lot of emotion into it. and she just posted it because she thought it was funny. i was lucky enough that she wasnt a big influencer or anything, but what if she was? id never be able to live that down. its beyond me how so many adults have zero consideration for a childs feelings or wishes. it might not seem like a big deal to you, but to a kid, its everything. they feel emotions so strongly and to make fun of that is, imo, one of the shittiest things you can do.

[@xXSYK0NAUTXx]

@@letonoska7348when I was on a cruise vacation in 2017 it was my first time ever snorkeling and everyone had already gotten out to eat, I wanted to go back in but nobody else would come with me. There was a seaside grill/bar that the workers would throw tortillas into the water for the fish, idk if they knew I was in there or not, but they threw one right next to me and I was looking underwater and suddenly was swarmed by 30+ big pancake fish, one swam right up on my stomach, I started having a massive panic attack in untouchable water and all my family did was laugh and record and eventually posted it on facebook as well. A worker had to come get me out of the water because I couldn't move from fear of being in the water all alone with dozens of huge fish🥲

[@darwinrussell]

I was a teen parent, and we took the living room to give the kids the bedrooms in our two-bedroom apartment. What the hell is wrong with these selfish, clout-chasing parents?

[@pirateramblinrose]

This reminded me of something I had forgotten, once we were travelling over two days to go holiday and stay at my uncle's for school holidays, we never went on holiday and couldn't afford much so we stayed with fam, it's a 2-3 day drive and we stayed at a caravan park in a cabin, there were two rooms (one with a bunk bed, the other a double), my younger brother and I had the bunk beds and my mum gave my teenage brother the double bed/other room, she took the crappy fold out couch in the living room/kitchenette area... I'm grateful for parents like this over these selfish tit-tacker parents..

[@whatshereads1]

My husband and I have done this because I refuse to have my kids in cramped spaces, they deserve their space and a lot of it. I actually like sleeping in my living room 🫣

[@writingisfun9842]

@@whatshereads1 Just as I like sleeping in small spaces. Claustrophobia is for losers. (Just kidding, claustrophobia is common and only fun to joke about when in moderation.)

[@liltrashpanda174]

@@pirateramblinrose sounds like you have a great mom

[@pirateramblinrose]

@@liltrashpanda174 I sure did, she passed when I was 15, she was an amazing single parent 💕

[@BayouGhostGAME]

“Children’s docking area“ is one hell of a quotable

[@Jess-em4ri]

I literally just watched a talk about this phenomenon. It's called something like "the doll mindset." Basically, the parents think of their children like dolls that they can pick up and put down and play with whenever they want. The parents don't realize (or possibly actively ignore) that their children are, you know, people with needs. Knowing this mindset exists really makes sense of all these wild parenting influencers.

[@umbrellaghost5927]

That is just as scary as it is interesting

[@kainepeterson6638]

Got the talk?

[@elmossy]

I've heard it referred to as "child objects" before, so sad.

[@danicalily3332]

Just stop with hate

[@Prottatype3]

@@danicalily3332 i support this message, but this video and comment i also support

[@michellematthews671]

Honestly, sharing your children's daily lives online is such an invasion of their privacy.

[@WolfgangDoW]

Should be illegal And some older kids are now suing their parents for family channels even too

[@kaekaeno]

Yess, I'm so tired of all of these "tiktok moms" who record their children doing literally ANYTHING. Like, I understand taking photos for family memories and private photo books, but not recording and then posting it online, so random people can see every aspect of your children's life. I can't even imagine the feeling when something important is going on in your life or you're having some private time and then your parent instead of being with you just takes out their phone and starts recording to later put it on tiktok with a weird voiceover.

[@tinabeanajustabean]

And really convenient for pred@tors!!

[@thechin9241]

I agree Generally sharing anything about yourself online that can link to your real identity is asking for trouble Especially for children

[@Ginknee666]

It should be illegal honestly

[@chloqrxs]

1:15 "everyday i wake up and i hope you're gay!"

[@born7z700]

😭😭😭

[@Briannaashing]

As someone who’s parents forced me and my younger brother to live in a travel trailer with 3 cats and no privacy for 4 years, THANK YOU for speaking out on this. My brother and I literally slept in bunks with no curtain or personal space while they slept in their bedroom. It is an abusive and neglectful living situation that NO child should ever be forced to endure.

[@CarrieH827]

Can I ask how's your relationship with your parents now?

[@Briannaashing]

@@CarrieH827 I have no contact with them unfortunately.

[@CarrieH827]

@@Briannaashing Sounds like you're better off without them anyway. Hope you're doing well now.

[@kurtwagner4663]

​​@@Briannaashing I am sorry to hear this Are those 4 years the reason? If you don't mind me asking, you don't have to share if it's too private of course.

[@Briannaashing]

@@kurtwagner4663 there were a lot of other problems, but it’s a big part of it. My parents fell into bad drug addiction while living in the trailer, which only made everything worse. When we first started living in it, it was only suppose to be temporary while they found other housing. Over time, my parents got complacent and lazy and didn’t care that we were suffering every day. It was a horrible experience living in that trailer with no privacy and no ability to have any semblance of ownership of my space. It was also filthy because my mom is a narcissistic hoarder. My brother and I voiced our problems repeatedly and asked them to get themselves help so they could adequately take care of us, but they didn’t. We moved into that trailer when I was the ripe age of 14 and my brother 12, and I only got out when I left for college. Hardest thing I ever had to do was leave my brother behind for 2 years before he graduated HS and I could get him out. There’s a lot more to it but that’s the gist of the living situation.

[@j.t.5178]

So you're telling me these parents are paying tens of thousands of dollars to fulfill their povertycore dream while torturing thier kids in the process?

[@IEatPlainButter]

“Povertycore” 😭😭

[@silverbutterfly1739]

_povertycore!? 🤭_ That's a new one.

[@doctor-pw7oc]

WE ARE JUST INVENTIN WORDS NOW? well gosh darn keep doin it, its funny

[@pokemoon7367]

I fully believe that the family does Vanlife they should account that every kid should have at least a bedroom or space that is for the kid.

[@AnonyDave]

Poverycore is a perfect term, they're fan-fic'ing poverty rather than poverty porn that exploits the poor

[@notedfynn58]

I dont understand how this is allowed. When my parents were getting divorced, something that made me very happy was the fact that my dad living in an rv made sure that he wouldn't have custody over me because of the lack of a bedroom and privacy Edit: I dont remember if this was decided by a lawyer or by my mom. Either way, it still says a lot

[@manaiapio1297]

Same thing with my parents and my little sister (all the older siblings including me were all adults when they split) my dad lives in a converted van and travels around contracting for work so he gave my mom full custody of my sister and the house in the divorce so that my little sister could stay at her current school and would have a consistent home to go to with her own room and privacy

[@SketchUT]

When my parents got divorced, idk the arrangement plan details but my dad lived in a camper for a bit at a campground across the highway from my maternal grandparents’ town, which was fun for us kids but it was def vacation-y feeling. That wasn’t permanent and the parents making it permanent for their kids just… suck.

[@elise85391]

When my parents got divorced and had joint custody, my mom moved like 10 minutes away so that we could still see both parents a roughly equal amount, still go to the same schools, keep our same friends and all of that. It came with other issues, but at least we could stay at the same school, so important for me as an introverted kid

[@aztralsea]

I’m 17, I grew up in a situation a lot like this (for me it was due to poverty though) and I just got diagnosed with C-PTSD because of it, and I didn’t even have my whole life broadcasted to thousands of people on the internet, I feel really sorry for these kids

[@maaheez]

The parents clearly don't care enough for their children to even give them their own private space. Even in an orphanage you get some sort of privacy.

[@dixienormous420]

Not true! You only get the room to yourself for a short time before another kid Is transferred in if they aren’t the same day already. That’s if you only share a room with 1 other person when usually it’s 3-4 in a room. Yes even if you are a teenager

[@butameremortal9424]

No you don't. I was a "ward of the state" and I can assure you that you NEVER have a seconds peace nor privacy. Unless like the other commenter stated your blessed and have a roommate leave or something like that. But it won't be long before some other stranger is in it.

[@mightymeatymech]

@@butameremortal9424 never was an orphan but when i was homeless and in psych wards, shelters had like 100 of us per 'room'. psych wards had maybe two or three beds but one time i lucked out and got the solo room, i lived like a freaking King that week

[@butameremortal9424]

@@mightymeatymech absolutely 😂 it's strange because I'm a loner. But I like to be in crowds. I wonder if it relates to "growing up" Hope your in a better space now 🫶🏼

[@ProjectLethargic]

wdyym they don't get privacy, they have the thinnest possible curtains ever

[@eveningyoon]

when my mom, brother, and i lived in a one bedroom apartment, my mom gave me and my brother the bed to sleep while she slept on the couch. it's ridiculous to me how terrible these parents are

[@airbreather9000]

Your mom is amazing.

[@Beginnerreadsthebible]

You have a great mom who loves you

[@drawn_by_starla9462]

My mom would have done this for my brother and I too. The best parents always put their kids before themselves.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

It _is_ worth considering that it's been _very_ common, throughout history, for an entire family to sleep in a small one-room house. These families often included _lots_ of kids. (As a famous and successful example, Dolly Parton grew up in a one-room cabin she shared with her parents and eleven siblings in the 1950s.) So while it is a lovely and kind thing your mother did, it doesn't make these parents "terrible."

[@eveningyoon]

@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 the difference is that in those circumstances like my own family's, we were struggling financially. Even for a one bedroom apartment, my mom was just barely scraping by to afford rent. These families often times CHOSE this lifestyle. It wasn't one where they had no choice and had to resort to living in an RV just to survive. That's the difference. These parents saw van/RV life as something exciting and went headfirst into it without thinking about their kids. These parents gave themselves full privacy and their OWN room. Whilst their kids had no privacy, no room for themselves, and no place for them to express themselves.

[@goo6763]

even sharing an actual bedroom can be very hard, i feel so sorry for these kids

[@imeverywhere9110]

I smell lps popular fan

[@MarsMadMan]

Your profile picture give me flashbacks and so many memories 😭

[@wtfminty5050]

Yes exactly, I've shared a bedroom since I was like four and I am eighteen now. It fucking sucks.

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

I shared a bedroom with my brother and two sisters and, once my brother got his own room, my two sisters. We all survived. A lot of kids today have it too easy.

[@goo6763]

@grumpyoldlady_rants it isn't about whether people survive or not lol. i think you know that. something that doesn't kill a person can still be a struggle. having to share a bedroom can be hard.. even though it's not hard for everyone, obviously. every person is a unique individual. sharing with multiple people is not a foreign concept to me. in my own childhood i've shared a room with multiple people and sometimes one person. not all of those situations were the same experience. some easier, some harder. people have differences in how they feel about privacy and personal space, to some it can cause a lot of stress while to others it won't. all depending on circumstances. i believe that all people should have access to a personal space and that if you can provide your children with that, you should. people won't always have that freedom because the world isn't fair, but i think they should have it. pretty inoffensive opinion that children are deserving of their own room if not having one negatively affects them. in my opinion, a person's home isn't meant to cause them stress or discomfort normally.

[@blampfno]

I've lived the van life. I was homeless for almost a year in my 20s. It sucks, it's disheartening to see people intentionally peddling it. It's restrictive, depressing, and horrible.

[@Ashley_e91]

I’ve literally only seen ONE family that did this right. They had a HUGE van with actual rooms and big beds for their kids.

[@galaxycat9966]

Even if the living conditions were right, what about the social conditions? Not hate, just a genuine question, did they have a way of making sure the kids connected with others their age properly and were able to keep in contact and develop properly?

[@veg_a_eat_ian]

Can you recall their channel? I would be refreshing to see it done right lol.

[@707Ac3]

@@veg_a_eat_ianI’ve seen some videos of KidigitalNomads that I really think are a good example

[@veg_a_eat_ian]

Thanks @@707Ac3 ! What do you think of Family of Nomads' set up? It looks pretty spacious.

[@tendous.boyfriend]

fr! i saw one where two like 6 or 7 year old had a queen sized bed EACH. i'm 15 and i'm still on a twin

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

The fact that when we were low on money as kids my dad got us a 2 bedroom trailer and the girls slept in one room, the boys slept in the other and he and my mom slept on separate couches for years says a lot about how these families CHOOSE to ignore their children's needs. Not to mention online schooling is often FREE they COULD have their kids in an actual school so they don't fall behind but likely it would take time away from -exploiting them for views- , I mean making Van Life TikToks

[@whowhy7554]

Yeah I was thinking through all these TikTok’s why none of the parents let two or three of their kids sleep on the KING SIZED BED and they sleep on the couches instead

[@tobywood9156]

thing is, the most important part of school aside from basic arithmetic is socialization. teaching kids how to get along with others, and how to behave normally when you cannot. its why daycare is so important for young kids. homeschooled kids never get that and you can see how it screws them up

[@SpiritWolfeMoon]

I have a lot of respect for your mom and dad for giving y'all the actual rooms.

[@bizygirl1]

In other words, feeding mommy and daddy’s big ego’s.

[@rhapsody-bliss]

These parents are always so greedy. The kids are always an afterthought. They don’t think about their social lives. They don’t think about their living situations. They only think about their dreams and their lives. It angers me to no end.

[@jennamars80]

When you believe that children are just what you're supposed to do to add to the Christian conservative army - when you think your only responsibility to them is to teach them discipline to make them productive little producers and consumers and that they exist to serve you, then you have no reason to consider them as actual people with needs, rights, and respect like these asshats. Once these kids grow up, they will find out.

[@wolvie1618]

People like that don't deserve kids. Being a parent involves sacrifice and compromise, which these a-holes refuse to do, at the detriment of their children. These poor kids are gonna have a hard time adjusting to normal life when they grow up.

[@luxuscarnage4828]

It's frustrating bc so many of us would love to travel but we actually want our kids to speak to us later down the road.

[@childeofepickness]

unrelated but n25 miku pfp!!!

[@DellikkilleD]

children dont need social lives, until 18 they are simply property of the parents.

[@GHOSTfaniguess]

2:18 I love how you can hear the kids cry in the back

[@WhimsicalBunn]

I grew up in poverty, sometimes even without a roof over my head. The anger I feel these parents have the finances to give their kids an actual life and choose this instead is UNABLE TO BE SPOKEN PROPERLY.

[@Firsona]

That's the part that got me...most of these people chose this. I had four siblings, and we had a two bedroom apartment for several years while my parents were trying to get better jobs. My little brother slept on a love seat, because he was the only one that fit on it, while my sisters and I shared one set of bunk beds. It wasn't a choice, and my parents both worked hard to get us out of that situation.

[@shelfraawoods1785]

Same. I grew up poor, sometimes having to stay in shelters. The last apartment my mom got for us was a two bedroom and she slept in the living room. While raising my daughter and I was trying to get on my feet, I got a one bedroom and gave her the bedroom. I can’t imagine doing this purposefully to your children that didn’t ask to be here

[@Nimblescape]

this. Van life, especially with a child needs to be HEAVILY looked into. You can tell who actually does it while prioritizing their kid, bc usually they don't post their kid's face

[@owie8212]

I keep being able to compare these kids' lives with my own homelessness experience :( I also keep finding ways I was better off than them though, because my mom was single at the time.

[@kearstinnekenerson6676]

I feel your rage as someone who grew up similar to you. How could someone be ok with this there is no privacy for any of their kids either. Why

[@krimsonklaww611]

A bedroom has 2 requirements. 1. It needs to have a bed. 2. It needs to be a room. At best, these are bed pantries.

[@Lucky-Charm-547]

At worst, these are mat-floors.

[@defokochu]

Real like you can’t make ur kids sleep on a couch every day 💀

[@Mamagiri-sx3lt]

Hey! The couch is better then the ground at a hotel cause you kick to much and can't share the bed with your sisters cause you could injure them 😖

[@TheLionPear]

Even that is a low bar compared to real estate requirements: it's not a bedroom without a window (fire safety) and a closet. So these van life people are very very very below minimum standards.

[@Anfilkins]

also, it needs to have a closet. So, in every sense it's not a bedroom. At BEST! it's a human locker.

[@patrycjawolanin598]

there was one family that expecially angered me, one of their children was diagnosed with autism and depression from what i remember, and they still refused to give up van life it was obvious from their videos that that kid had problems with lack of privacy and no sense of stability, its absolutly heartbreaking to see how little they care for their own kids

[@itz_BB-SA-roleplays]

my cousin (has autism) lives in a RV like this... but also has a nice home to live in. they only like in the RV when they come to see us or someone/somewhere else.. (he has his own room in their house and privacy)

[@blackbear7624]

oh my god, can’t people call child services on them?

[@shaywatson5084]

If you’re talking about Family of nomads they did actually move down to Florida to get their kid the help they needed and stayed there for almost a year I believe.

[@alastryona]

​@@shaywatson5084But then once they regained some stability they went back on the road, I've seen lot of people (including myself) concerned that their health is gonna worsen again since the parents seem to refuse the idea that a lack of a "home base" and stable situation is part of the problem.

[@shaywatson5084]

@@alastryona it’s something I’m worried about as well, but it’s also possible that their daughter felt that they were ready to return. They’ve said countless times that they will do what’s best for the kids, and in the year they were in Florida I didn’t see them posting very much. Which makes me think maybe they do actually have their kids best interests at heart. I also follow them kinda loosely so I could be 100% off on if they’ve been posting or not.

[@ihavearoachialsohavearoach]

ok but the fact that 2 kids TWO were sleeping on the floor was enough for me to call CPS.

[@xx_robotkrew_xx1446]

Nothing says, “we love our kids” like putting them in coffins with curtains or on pull out couches while mommy and daddy get a beautiful comfortable bed and privacy. Oh! And let’s not forget the lack of structure and friends these kids have. I remember this one van life family where the mom was publicly shaming her youngest daughter because she didn’t want to do the dishes one day ( as most kids do from time to time )

[@noranizaazmi6523]

Its in the vid i think the chore part

[@Erika-xm2mi]

I want to hold these parents in a chokehold so badly. I've been claustrophobic ever since I can remember, so if my parents were to have put me in a "bed" like the one at 1:41, I would have kicked, screamed, and bit them. Those aren't beds, for crying out loud, the kid can't even sit up in them. This is just one step more ethical than psychological torture.

[@aliramaekers5180]

Coffins? Little cozy spaces

[@OnyxTank]

@@aliramaekers5180 coffins are comfortable and cozy so yes a coffin.

[@mariewasser1097]

@@aliramaekers5180 nothing is cozy about not being able to move around much at all and simply lifting your head a bit could give you a concussion. A fluffy tight coffin indeed.

[@Noktomo]

My unpopular opinion: NO child should be filmed or/and posted online WITHOUT their consent. I'm sure poor Molly wouldn't consent to be exposed in a giant audience of strangers. Not to mention the creeps out there. Poor kids. I would never. 😥

[@xcybercatz]

i always notice videos of young children have an absolutely INSANE amount of favourites on tiktok, very often more than likes. the parents never seem to care as it brings them engagement and views and all that crap.

[@Its_Asteria]

That and the context of the thing being shared is also important too. Like if you witnessed a kid say something funny and it HAPPENED to be filmed then I see that as fine because it wasn't a constant camera in the face But these family influencer type parents always have a xamera out filming EVERYTHING, even the embarrassing bits. Like the difference between a kid tripping and eating shit in a 5 second clip, and a kid whose life is always shown to the world, is that a parasocial, predatory follower base appears for the kids that are always on screen. The ones that you only see like once for five seconds and forget about the next day usually are okay. It's the ones that are filmed and posted all day everyday that are more vulnerable and recognizable. And more likely to develop issues. At least this is how I see it. (What I mean by those short clips of kids tripping for example, have like early 2000s energy) And usually are harmless clips, yes the kid fell but they were fine afterward. But filming your kids sleeping on the floor in a cramped space always moving. And always recording, is eew to me. Same thing for posts and modeling. Like Instagram has a similar issue to the tiktok issue you mentioned I still think that a lot of things shouldn't be posted or recorded even if it's short and harmless. But if you're gonna do it, at least blur out the faces of the people and kids being posted, if you can't, and like for example the kid is in a puffy winter coat and is relatively safe, then I'd assume they'd be fine. It's the photos and videos of like going to the beach for example. And what's sad is even the one time posters, like on Facebook from a mom just sharing a memory, is favorited by nasty people.

[@meowtation]

Some people fail to understand, that a child doesn't have a capacity to understand, what an impact it will have in the present AND growing up and that these parents knowingly profit of of that. How - how can one not realise it and even defend it?? It blows my mind...

[@CloudyClaudia]

i know of 2 girls named Caitlin and Leah and they recently had a kid. they said that they wont show his face until he is able to speak and can give consent to his face being online. i love this idea, and i wish other people such as these van life parents wou,d do the same.

[@xcybercatz]

@@CloudyClaudia i like watching them because they dont exploit their kids for views :)

[@keekermojo]

FINALLY someone said it so honestly and bluntly. I find it literally insane that each of these families always has parents in a comfortable, private, suite. Always. Like a shelf in the wall or a couch as a "bedroom" for the kids. None of these parents will ever admit it, but the children will always come second. The ACTIVE choice of nomadic lifestyle, selfish living situation, lack of education or even blatant no education shows that they come second no matter how much you love your kids.

[@Jemini4228]

I find the lack of education disturbing too. Especially for the teens. What adult life are they being equipped for? What social skills and connections do they have outside the family? What roots do they have? There is a cruel irony in being trapped by a life of roaming.

[@faithmccune1856]

First off, your upset about the Legit design of a camper, they are compact and cozy so you just just judging to judge on that. And to quote you exactly “The ACTIVE choice of nomadic lifestyle, selfish living situation, lack of education or even blatant no education shows” nothing is wrong with the nomadic living, it’s not selfish living situations because when you live in a camper the majority of your time is spent outside honestly, and there is nothing wrong with homeschooling or creative schooling. If someone does it because it’s religious based you don’t care but if someone does it because of how they live it’s an issue???? Like what is wrong with people nowadays where everyone is A.) So fucking soft B.) Cares so much about how other people live and C.) so set in there own ways to “change” how people live. Y’all just need to stop because this is insane as someone who LIVES in a camper with her husband and family (dog included) there is nothing wrong with how we live and your insane for thinking there is. Bunk beds in a camper are no different than bunk beds in a house so get a grip and tbh care about yourself for a while and not everyone else

[@hyperboles6563]

I grew up being forced to share everything with my twin sister. Room, toys, food, etc. And I was told to suck it up when she stole from me because I was older and somehow that made me a liar. Meanwhile, my mom and dad had their own room with a master bedroom with queen bed, their own bathroom, an office we weren't allowed in (not for work, just to watch more TV), and they went out to eat at fancy places often while I'd eat kraft mac n cheese pretty much every meal, giving me some malnutrition. I hated it, I can't imagine that life in an RV too. I went to red Robin with them ONCE and it felt like the most luxurious experience ever.

[@MissyRose94]

This would be fine as like a summer, vacation home. But full fucking time? This would be awful. I would kill to have my own home with enough room and space for us all to have our own rooms, and a backyard for my cats to explore and my kids to play in, and these people had that and they traded it to cram their kids together and deprive everyone of any real privacy. I live in a tiny 2 bedroom apartment with my 2 kids and 2 cats. Guess who sacrificed space? Not my kids. I sleep on a pullout in the living room, my boys have their own rooms.

[@kashiko.girlll]

exactly! the kids are still growing so therfore should have the privacy they need

[@XenophliX]

10:55 when my lego collection has a far bigger shelf than actual human beings you know something’s wrong especially when the parents have a comically large bed that takes up 1/3 of the rv

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

Y'all do realize this 'van life with kids' thing is an easy way for abusers to avoid CPS by not having an address, right? If they get investigated in one place, they can just drive off to another.

[@Mostie-ev7oh]

I was on a certain bird website and legitimately there was a whole thread about this hardcore abusive christian fundie family that used the van life to essentially avoid cps and grift. It was like 13 kids of various ages and the parents were all relatively well fed while the kids were clearly too malnourished for their age.

[@tiannacarson3076]

@@Mostie-ev7oh do uk which family that was ?

[@Mostie-ev7oh]

@@tiannacarson3076 Jill Rodrigues aka Rodrigues family ministries. The Quiverfull movement and just generally Christian fundies are a depressing rabbit hole.

[@ashley2319x]

My dad and stepmom still found a way to get away with abusing me and we didn’t live in a van. I was choked, smacked, kicked, thrown and slammed to the floor multiple times. When I got spanked it was to the point where I’d go numb- and I would stop crying due to me feeling no pain. That would piss my dad off even more and it would upset him that I stopped crying so he’d get me in the backs of my thighs. I was COVERED in bruises. But it was in places that teachers couldn’t see. I had welts shaped like my dads hand that turned into multiple bruises shaped like my dads hand. I had a busted open lip- I was close to needing stitches. My step aunt called the cops b she knew I was getting abused. The cops came and they told the officers that they popped me in the mouth and said I purposely bit my lip. The cops bought it and went back to work. Once they left I was beaten so severely I felt my ears ring and I was dizzy. I used to faint before I even got beat because I was so terrified. Parents don’t have to live in a trailer to get away with abuse. My entire childhood I was abused physically and verbally, and sexually (by my stepdad).

[@jollyquinn430]

@PersephonesRose-nr3oo I understand why you feel this way. But don't forget that this is a comment under a video that's about abuse, in a comment section that's also about abuse. So it's not really inappropriate when someone shares their experience.

[@gravity6201]

I remember being forced to do this exact thing when I was 15. It was all my mom’s idea and she was inspired by these “happy” homeschooling, Christian vanlifers. It was me, my parents and my two younger siblings (12 and 7). I had no privacy and I was uprooted from my hometown and the little friends that I had (I was homeschooled for a while before that), I lost them too. My mom sold everything and our house and we took off. We were out for about a year and when SHE decided that she didn’t like it is when we were done and we moved to a different town. Now I’m a claustrophobic 20 year old who still has nightmares of how constantly scared and under pressure I was. I beg of you not to do this to your children. And any child who is going through this right now and hates it, I am so sorry. Be brave, soon you’ll be an adult and you’ll be able to get out ❤ I believe in you

[@bookshelfhoney]

I'm sorry you had to go through that! Being 15 is hard enough already

[@nemanjadjukic]

😢 sorry that you had to go through all that! I hope you get some help with the claustrophobia or at least learn to manage it.

[@nicowithrow4390]

I didn't even think about the future claustrophobic part omg

[@Deman-sc4rc]

I’m so so sorry🥺 hoping you are in a better and safe place now💖

[@gravity6201]

@@Deman-sc4rc i very much am! i’m engaged to the person i love and he helps me through it all 💕 people can be so important, life can be beautiful 💕 i appreciate your concern and i hope you have a beautiful life

[@-evelynn-]

Those kids are literally sleeping in COFFINS, THOSE BEDS ARE COFFINS, ITS NOT EVEN BEDS.

[@Maytrixwasheree]

They are sleeping in the cause of their future back problems 😭

[@bruhdudeguyman]

They can't even sit up straight without hitting their heads on the ceiling! It's ridiculous!

[@Clader80]

Even my tent trailer for vacations, we have all our own big bed

[@The_Rusalka]

That one where the space was absolutely tiny is ridiculous. I’d imagine it’s hard to even turn in it, and what about when they get their growth spurt. No way those mattresses are comfortable either. If I was in such a situation, I’d rather set up a tent each night.

[@mica9159]

I felt claustrophobic looking at it 😖

[@kilon0vember]

In my country we have couchette cars (train cars for long-distance travel, where you can sleep, eat, etc.). Sleeping spaces there have no privacy, the space is so little, and everytime you have a neighbor who snorts so loud that you just can’t fall asleep. Watching this videos made me think that that "van-life" thing looks like travelling in the couchette car for YEARS and it sounds like hell

[@Dietcokeslut]

Privacy is a legit requirement if you foster kids BTW-because little known fact- kids are individuals with feelings and need a space of their own 🙃

[@sock_with_sass09]

Especially if those kids are in foster care because their original parents sexually, mentally, or physically abused them, because its likely they have trauma of some sort and need their own space.

[@Turtl3B0iii]

It's also a requirement that each child has their own ACTUAL bed. These van life parents really are a different breed of people

[@dented_riddles9967]

I don't know man, my parents gave me privacy, let me have my room to myself, and what did I do? Turned it into a hoarder den. On the flipside, our house was really small (the only bedroom was mine) and I think living in close quarters really helped. Most people in the world share a room with family, especially kids.

[@Val-hz3fc]

Lol. I was in the foster system, that "privacy" requirement ain't real. In one home in particular each room had about 3-4 girls stuffed in. They were also Mormons that had us to do charity work every weekend & go to their church (illegal, but as long as they didn't force us to attend the sermon it was fine). I mean I get the sentiment but let's not act like foster care is any way better than this van life bullshit. It's a bad comparison.

[@hallofreunde5227]

@@Val-hz3fc i gues it depends on the country your from

[@brittanylawless680]

the frustrating thing is that since these people have no permanent home base, it's pretty much impossible to even call child services on them.

[@bibblenipple]

😭😭😭😭😂😂 girl fr

[@kr3atorrr]

Yes. I’d their always moving, that have no exact location to tell child services.

[@kr3atorrr]

If*

[@miguelenriquebeltre8882]

Bro, there are issues w this way of life but not anywhere even close to being bad enough to necessitate calling child services! Could you even imagine how much worse that would be for the kids?

[@merrowley]

@@miguelenriquebeltre8882 on many us states it is considered child neglect to not at minimum give each child their own bed

[@JasonBrown-d3o]

Another point I don’t see people addressing about van life is how difficult it would be for the kids to get away when they are older. They cannot have jobs through their teenage years from the constant relocation, but once they turn 18 they also can’t just go get an apartment bc they would need financial support from their parents. Not to mention that if you rent an apartment you’re gonna need proof of income. Abusive van life parents can easily trap their kids and really stunt their adult lives

[@ThatOneChorusKid]

OH MY GOSH. This is correct… can i post this on their comment sections???

[@daphnelikefromscoobydoo]

I was just about to say, it feels sort of intentional

[@ThatOneChorusKid]

@@daphnelikefromscoobydoo you make a point..

[@raerohan4241]

Not to mention the social isolation. Homeschooled kids _can_ be well-socialised, but you need to put in a lot more effort and time into taking them places where they can meet and connect with peers. But these kids are constantly moving around, so they can't build social relationships with anyone except family. That's terrible for their development...

[@kmac291]

Oh my God, Van Life families are basically cults This is literally textbook cult behavior

[@maydayhomestead]

I’m really glad you mentioned poverty. Single parent household, We are Canadians facing genuine homelessness due to being sold out of our long time rental and LIKELY will end up motorhome living. But we aren’t traveling, we’d be farming in spot out of necessity.. And frankly, I’ve asked my kids… “Farmland and motorhome life… or city & apartment/condo life?” And all 3 said they want to remain farmers even if it means motorhome living ❤✌🏼 (But… not forever!)

[@nukepuke932]

Soooo...sort of like sharecroppers?

[@maydayhomestead]

@@nukepuke932 I’m not sure how motorhome living compares to share cropping… please do enlighten me if you wish :)

[@nukepuke932]

@@maydayhomestead If I remember my history correctly, sharecroppers didn't actually own the land they were living on or farming--they tended to live in houses on the land owned by someone else, and did the work and got paid by the land owner. I'm getting that sort of vibe from your comment; if I am wrong, I apologize.

[@maydayhomestead]

@@nukepuke932 Oh! I see. That’s not what I meant but it’s not far from off from my lifestyle, so I consider it a wonderful idea. I don’t know any but I love the idea! 🫶🏼

[@E7XEE]

The fact these parents will turn about and try to blame the viewers is insane

[@VirangeRose]

Seriously man

[@The_Buzz_Force]

yeas

[@deltaloraine]

Exactly. THEY are the ones putting out the content, the viewers are just commenting on what they see. And it’s not good

[@Hydrangea_Babe]

they bussed all the way to Egypt

[@odigana2721]

not the vewers the "trollers"

[@dexthepurpleduck238]

I'd like to see these families in 10-15 years and find out how many of the kids have gone no-contact with their parents.

[@PenguinsAreNeat]

if i were one of the kids i wouldnt have just gone no contact, i would have executed my vengence by burning the rv to the ground

[@jeanvictor8178]

​@@PenguinsAreNeat i see your point but let's calm down mate lol

[@sohailahaithem2424]

​@@ke4692that's messed up... are you alright now?

[@PGT860]

they pop out 5-8 so that surely one is stupid enough to forgive them Edit: not to mention neglect their education and social skills so they don't know better

[@cecaniacc9165]

There will be surely a podcast of "1 on 1 talk with someone who grew up on a tiktok van life influencer parents"

[@chxrlies.angels]

the one family where the kid literally asked to stay in a hotel for their birthday was fucking INSANE

[@babbyham.]

The parents defense of that was insane too. "Umm ackshually we went there because our RV was too cramped to hold more kids"

[@IlovewoMENsoverymuch]

Yea I think I saw that

[@cricketxing]

The mom in that family INSISTS everyone loves living in an RV, but we never hear anything from the kids 💀

[@pizzachi]

does anyone know the channel name/video?

[@lifeisstrange2605]

@@pizzachi family of nomads

[@St4rEditsAndStuff]

2:43 and someone was sleeping on the floor?!

[@WitheroftheGrave]

Yeah, it was in the bathroom to which is even worse

[@SaltwaterTaffyz]

The fact that they have so many children too

[@kenny1370]

The worst part is that there ARE RVs and campers out there with actual bedrooms aside from the master. They tend to be bigger and therefore more expensive, so these parents are cheaping out at the expense of their kids, and that is awful.

[@krs2729]

my husband and i live in an rv with a separate bedroom and twin bed & we still wouldn't have a child while living here...

[@heath6802]

@@krs2729 If you can do that, I don’t see why these people cannot!

[@remus2390]

yup, my grandparents had a camper like this for vacations. master bedroom on one end, and another with a bunk on the other end. both had doors. definitely not cheap but if you’re LIVING there with KIDS that is a necessary investment

[@satanscheeks]

my mom owned a 32 foot. it had a master bedroom but less than a foot of space between the wall and bed, the dinner table and couch turned into a bed, and there were two twin bunks tucked in the back half covered with walls, decent spaces. these parents are actively choosing to put their recreation needs over their children’s needs.

[@adtoohey]

It's one of those "what's classy if you're rich, but trashy if you're poor" things

[@kat3217]

More like “classy if you don’t have kids, trashy if you do.” I have no problem w couples doing this to travel for a few years. It’s when they rope in the kids that i have a problem

[@nikkimcdonald4562]

Plenty of kids grow up poor and understand the struggles their parents go thru for them. Now imagine growing up like this and realizing that your parents chose that life for you.

[@datguymiller]

Abusing your children

[@ufos-cos]

This isn’t classy period, even if you are rich.

[@hannahlockwood2654]

This>>>>

[@briochebunny]

I spent a majority of my childhood/teenage life in an RV with an abusive father, I can say as someone with experience I have a hoarding problem (because I was never allowed to have any personal possessions because I didn't have space for them) as well as being unstable and not knowing how to do normal life things for the first 8 years of my adult life. I'm 28 and I still struggle really bad even now that I have had therapy, medication, my own stable house, and someone I love that has helped me with my trauma. I honestly could write a novel expressing my experience in an environment like this. This is not a healthy environment to raise children in. I am just grateful I wasn't forced to have a camera in my face.

[@ShinePaw101]

Please write that book!

[@just_ellie_7422]

I'm sorry you had to go through this and I'm happy you are out of that situation.

[@sarahhh114]

although i didn’t live in an rv, my abusive father never let me have any personal possessions too, which led to a hoarding problem and not to mention countless other problems i face due to the abuse i endured. i hope you are doing better now ❤

[@sarahgumball8597]

I hope you are doing better now, how are you? ❤️

[@sharkguy27]

you should absolutely write about your experience!!! PLEASE read the book The Glass Castle, it’s not exactly the same experience but i think it could possibly stir some inspiration

[@Asterixi]

and why do they always have a dozen kids? like there isn't enough room 😭

[@emilychapman9221]

As a 19 yo with an infant son, I've accepted that I have to put some of my adventures on hold for a while. I don't understand how full grown 30 yo adults don't understand this.

[@MaraMara89]

because not everyone should have kids... unfortunately it is still viewed as a norm to have kids after marriage and some people "give it a try" not thinking about the fact that this is at least 18 years of hard work

[@kaitieohare7524]

I had my son when I was 20, and I gave up on going to a college in a different state or living in dorms. I pushed back all the plans I had for traveling and new experiences. It's been 1 year since he was born, and I can't think of anything I'd rather do than make sure his life is as amazing as it can possibly be. Too many people from older generations seem to think that because they created their kids and make sure they're clothed and fed, their job is done, and they can do whatever they want. It makes me so disappointed

[@bleh6703]

damn, you're already a better parent than some full grown adults

[@thelemurofmadagascar9183]

@@Dave102693 People decide to have kids because some things in life are worth making sacrifices for. Children give parents a sense of purpose in life, and the joys of having a child is unparalleled to any other kind of happiness you'll ever experience. Yes, it's difficult, but anything worthwhile in life will always come at a cost. Frankly speaking I couldn't care less if you choose to not have kids, but it's really not hard to see why most other people want children even if you don't. I also didn't want children at one point in my life, but even at that time I understood why other people wanted them.

[@majesticsquid5643]

I think that younger parents understand the needs of children better than older parents partially because older people have simply forgotten what it felt like to have needs as a kid that only a parent could fulfill, and how it felt when those needs weren't met.

[@yongf9990]

privacy is an *insanely* important thing for children, especially those who menstruate. this breaks my heart to see these children living like this

[@ansleyb7316]

why is it especially important for girls?

[@thetillerwiller4696]

I feel like if this is a short term living situation (for camping, going on a vacation etc.) it’s fine to tough it out, but long term? That sounds awful

[@thehamsterarmy2380]

@@ansleyb7316 girls start puberty before boys could be a reason, idk if that's what they were referring to though

[@freya6921]

@@ansleyb7316girls mature / start puberty earlier than boys

[@thetinykid4169]

​​@@ansleyb7316 Girls mature and start puberty earlier than others. While it's not really anything to be ashamed of, I can imagine the kind of scenario that plays out when one of these girls gets their first period and is learning to use their period products on one of those bunk set ups. All your siblings will immediately know when you try to tell your parents and fix the sheets/go through the motions of getting blood out of the sheets. And of course learning to emotionally regulate and handle the whole period/puberty event is going to be hard. It's already hard without your siblings breathing down your neck while you're trapped in a rv.

[@redheadrogue]

Also the fact that the mom who punished her daughter over the dishes said, "Molly CHOSE not to do her chores." I'm sorry? Did she make the active decision to ignore her chore and face the consequences? OR did she forget because she's a child? The mom's phrasing specifically raises SO many red flags. Edit: WOW, this kind of blew up. Lots of good points in the replies, keep it civil. I know that kids can choose not to do their chores because they'd rather play video games or stay outside. I just felt that the mom's phrasing (inappropriate punishment aside) was suspicious. It seemed like she skipped straight over having a conversation with her daughter and went straight to punishing her. Not necessarily applying the logic above to all circumstances, just the situation in the video. A lot of it is heavily dependent on the age of the child as well.

[@johndurrett3573]

If you have chose, you hold them responsible. Doesnt matter if you grow up in a house or elsewhere - chore are chores. Go watch some farm families where all the kids have chores that require getting up before dawn to care for the animals. They are not abused, they are being taught a lifelong skill called self-discipline. Coddling does not build strength.

[@briarchambliss]

@@johndurrett3573 they are *children* you are a moron, please don't reproduce.

[@0shytaku052]

​@@johndurrett3573I hope to God from the bottom of my heart that your pillow is so boiling hot every night you wake up from burns you little troglodyte.

[@emmanarotzky6565]

@John Durret Nobody is shaming farm kids for not doing the chores though. And a farm is different. Nothing bad happens if you leave dirty dishes in the sink overnight or if one person forgets to wash the dishes so someone else has to do it. Something bad does happen if you forget to give animals food and water. That’s why farm chores are on a specific schedule and young kids don’t just take over those jobs without at least one adult to be the ‘manager’.

[@shadowchu419]

@Emma Narotzky you've apparently never seen the kinda punishment farm kids get when they don't do their chores. It's way worse 100% of the time!

[@blondqueen348]

I really can’t understand those parents. When I was 8yo my dad lost his job and my mom got severe health problems which lead to financial difficulties and they have to sell our house and move to an apartment. My sister was 12 at the time and I shared bedroom with her but my parents ensure we still had our own desk, closets and proper beds even though they slept in the living room on pullout sofa for 3 year or so to the time when their finances improved and we moved back to 4 bedrooms house which still belongs to my family. This is how parents should treat their kids!!! (I’m 30 now - for context)

[@lashinka2574]

Wow! Your parents sound awesome! They went through so much yet still made a relatively normal life for you and your sister. I life my hat to them, I really do. Those are true parents right there. Thanks for sharing their story.

[@katisbeingsilly]

“every child deserves a parent, but not every parent deserves a child.” goes *perfect* for this

[@Shoehuaa]

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[@Aliceainthere]

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[@Weeeeeeeeee_eee]

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[@just_kryller]

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[@wowoskdlwoa]

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[@ines3033]

It feels ironic that these people advocate for a "different" or "healthy" or "away from society" lifestyles yet they're always online

[@PixieoftheWood]

I remember when I was a kid, I had a friend whose single dad couldn't afford a home with enough bedrooms for him and his two kids. So he gave a bedroom to each of his kids and slept on a futon in the living room. That right there is the difference between these people and a parent that loves their kids.

[@kaiseayaandruis1597]

similarly in my case, my parents had to fit the 4 of us and our grandpa, so while we lived 2 kids in a room, they had their bed and slept in the living room for years untill our grandpa passed away(we're talking over 20 years here) and they renovated his old room for their own use, bc they understood that as the adults in the situation they could handle not having a fully private space while the kids need that to develop properly

[@carnifaxx]

yes, we did the same, we couldn't find big enough apartment for us and our kids in a time pressure when we lost the previous one (the owner needed it for himself, we were not evicted), so the children remained in rooms for 2 and we sleep in a kitchen. It's not even that bad, I even enjoy my tiny closet office :D We could have trapped them in 1 room for 4, but a) I would feel bad for them all the time (even though they often move to one room for a night or a movie, but it's their will); b) it would be never that calm as it is when they are just 2 in one room. But I need to say, I'm a bit opposed to each child having their own separate room - I don't think it's a good basis for future relationships, when you never dealt with another person in one space. I especially don't like the idea of small children being left completely alone.

[@ARorHR]

My cousin did the same. Both of his kids have their own floors (each are suites) and he sleeps in the small bedroom so his teenagers can have privacy!

[@TheAcadianGuy]

Not all parents have the same level of self-sacrifice and willingness/opportunity to do so. These should not be perceived as the benchmark for good parenting. I shared a room with my two sisters till I was 17 years old. Become parent first and THEN we can talk.

[@katiesaravia4285]

Nah those kids don’t pay rent the parent deserves a place to rest their head after working and parenting all day. They can share a room. That doesn’t mean you don’t love your kids.

[@missladyanonymity]

Josiah and Enoch sleep on the floor! That's "indoors" for the ground.😳🤣

[@waffleasaursrex2176]

As someone who has some pretty bad back pains, I feel so bad for these kids, it really is abuse

[@6Shots_ofEspresso]

i have severe back pain even though my bed is really comfy. if i were sleeping in what is essentially a COFFIN, i would probably have straight up scoliosis

[@aperocknroll88]

Funny thing is that until I was in my 20's I could sleep on a carpeted floor without issue. Those matresses that are in there could he quite comfortable. They look clothed and healthy. Happiness is in question but we can't assume anything.

[@jfool10125]

@@aperocknroll88 just cuz it works for you don’t mean it works for everyone else, bad beds can lead to serious medical issues get off your high horse

[@luxuscarnage4828]

​@@aperocknroll88 That might be bc back issues are different for everyone. You might have the type of issues where a hard surface feels better. I asked my back doctor about this and he said most people actually need adjustable mattresses. These shelves are not adjustable unless you make them way smaller by stuffing more padding in them. Also, you are seeing them clean and fed but you can't know that. AND privacy is incredibly important for development.

[@missfortune8553]

@@jfool10125 They spoke about their own experience and said the ‘kids happiness is questionable but we can’t assume’, nothing about their comment makes your aggression reasonable. Take your own advice and get off your even higher holier-than-thou steed.

[@lianamarie4895]

I can personally attest to being filmed as a child. My stepmom didn’t have a following but she would record my meltdowns after she was emotionally/physically abusive and send the videos to my teachers and friends. It still haunts me to this day.

[@heather8518]

That's awful! I'm so sorry that happened to u.

[@blackqweenmars]

That’s horrible she didn’t deserve you

[@lifekindasucksrn6442]

Once, my mom took a photo of me without my consent and got really mad at me and threatened me when I begged her to delete it. I can’t imagine how awful it was getting that all the time and getting it sent. Lots of love

[@Discordia5]

That is horribly abusive and unfair. I can't imagine how stressful that was. What a horrible woman.

[@lianamarie4895]

Thanks everyone. It was a long time ago, but actions like that definitely have an affect on the kids when they grow up and I just wish their parents were more aware.

[@-_-0.0-_-]

the thing that gets me is the "monotony of daily life" ISN'T monotonous for a kid. Everything is already new, exciting, and scary for them. It's why kids need stability at home, need a safe place that's just theirs to process the new (to them) realities of the outside world. These kids aren't getting that foundation of security and understanding of the world to frame their experiences.

[@megan-1600]

Wow! This is such a good point I hadn’t considered.

[@angel_0132]

exactly!! i remember shifting homes and schools at the same time in 3rd grade and it really traumatized me. both super unfamiliar environments at the same time threw me so off balance. it took almost a year for me to settle down enough to make proper friends at both school and around my neighborhood. cant imagine what these kids go through man. losing your social environment at a really young age over and over can cause a lot of distress and dysregulation. especially when you're at an age where you're learning to socialize and understand the world around you. i can imagine not having a grounding environment when you're overwhelmed with so many new things as a kid that it could lead to developmental problems later on.

[@yaboicolleen]

​@@angel_0132 I 100% believe that. In 2020 my sister and her husband with their two kids ended up moving a state over bc he got a promotion to a different job site. It was a nice bump in pay, but they lived in a rental townhome for a few months before they found a permanent house. Each time the kids had their own bedrooms, they brought their pet cats with them, my sister made sure she worked part-time/from home so she was around, and my niece still had a horrible time adjusting. Fortunately her new school had a really nice counselor who helped her out with adjusting and expressing her feelings appropriately and making new friends but even then they ended up moving back to our hometown after a bit over a year (there were other reasons too, but her having a rough time was part of the decision). For reference, my niece was 8-9 years old for this ordeal. I'm really glad they were able to get back to a more stable situation bc she is much happier now. So basically yeah, kids need stability.

[@Breadestboi]

I left the video and came back to her yelling ‘aw you tired honey? Well you better go scale that rock wall *SLEEP IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE EARNED!* 💀💀💀

[@Breadestboi]

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[@forestwizard1483]

Dude I've been saying this for YEARS! A family that I know personally lived in a 5 bedroom farmhouse with a backyard and tree house... then the dad QUIT his good job that he had for 10 years, left their warm safe home with ROOMS for their 4 children. They bought a bus/van and now live on the road. It is disgusting because the kids were devastated. I knew the kids and the girls came to me sobbing because they had to leave their home, their friends, and their school. It is SO BAD. They are miserable now with ZERO privacy.

[@soleil635]

this was heartbreaking to read. i can’t understand how any parent could ethically do this. they have to be delusional.

[@avant-garde2.028]

I feel so bad for them

[@BrightWulph]

Like it's fine if the Dad is having a midlife crisis, but did he have to drag his family along for the ride? I feel so bad for those kids.