Is the Porsche 911 S/T $100k Better Than the GT3 Touring? - TheSmokingTIre

[@starkparker16]

It's a hard job, picking between top of the line Porsches, but somebody's got to do it.

[@nonotherthananother]

🤣

[@xruud24]

lol gt3 or gt3 rs is way to go

[@josiahburndstkiar3774]

This is the comparison we all wanted. Still bummed they didn't change suspension in the Touring like they did in the previous gen. Oh well, can't afford either...

[@papa_pt]

it's nonsensical to call it a touring but have suspension like that

[@TheImperfectGuy]

it's a little speculation I keep making that the S/T was just a sneaky way to fund development am alternate type suspension in the 992.2 GT3 Touring much like the 991.1 911 R was the path to the 6 speed manual for 911 GT3 cars generations 991.2 onwards

[@xGabicca]

Was there a change to the 991.2 Touring suspension vs. the GT3? I had no idea! any sources?

@@xGabicca No, there was no change in suspension in the 991.2 GT3 touring compared to the GT3 it was based on. This person is misinformed...

[@JStryker7]

@@TheImperfectGuypossibly, but the 992.2 is going to have a digital dash which essentially ruins it imo

[@stephenjohnson6492]

the $100k price difference is only because it is limited/collectible. Just like the 911 R, probably not "worth" the price difference but that won't stop us all from wanting one.

[@MrZane-bl8qm]

Well, no car is really worth over 100k, let alone being 100k more expensive just because it's limited. But it's what it is. They are still timeless beauties.

[@EvoraGT430]

@@MrZane-bl8qm No Zonda/Koeniggseg/Bugatti is worth more than 100K?

[@zeamethyst-M4Z]

Standard carbon buckets + standard PCCBs + standard mag wheels = $40k+ on top of a standard GT3. That doesn’t include the bespoke clutch and single mass flywheel, suspension tuning, etc. certainly shrinks that gap quite a bit

[@horvathr95]

It might be 100k more expensive, but the actual cost of ownership is probably still the same. Just have to spend more money upfront

[@Visakh_S_Nair]

​@@MrZane-bl8qm Bro has no idea of Porsche fan base.

[@branttmyhres74]

Thank you Porsche for still building a stick shift, seriously. Both incredible cars

[@dj_laundry_list]

They should have stuck with the 1100cc flat four as well

[@iggswanna1248]

and manual windows

[@zyoungson215]

They really trolled 911r owners with that one

[@BobbyDazzler888]

And steel rims

[@farishanafiah8461]

​@@zyoungson215Sometimes, marketing department cannot foresee the popularity for cars like the 911 R.

[@Casey_J96]

That really is the perfect spec GT3 Touring! Green over brown with yellow calipers, chefs kiss

[@dlamb4prez]

Imagine this: I was designing one on the site, and had just finished when I found this video. They were identical, save the yellow calipers. Great taste.

[@a004]

What color is that?

[@nitovegge]

"good soup" @@dlamb4prez

[@nitovegge]

not sure. its not British racing green (I suppose), but that is just as good @@a004

[@DonLambJr]

@@a004Oak Green Metallic

[@HandsomeAlex25]

This video format works really well - Doesn't look like that much more production than a one-take, but the narrative through line looks really well thought out, and there are enough fly-bys added in post to show off the car. I'd say it's about 98% of the effect of those highly produces pieces you and Zack were doing last year. I hope it's more like 60% of the work so you guys don't get burnt out.

[@z06van21]

Your explanation of trade-off with stiffness/sharpness VS vertical damping is spot on. I have a 718 GT4 with MCS 2-way remotes and in playing with the compression & rebound settings, you can feel that trade off in one direction or the other. So, for those who want the ST's suppleness but can't get or afford an ST, do not fret. Get yourself what ever version you want and swap out the suspension for 2 or 3 way MCS or KW set-up and you can have the best of both worlds. I switch mine up depending on what I plan on doing with the car and even though it is a manual process, it takes a few mins to turn a few knobs. I have a few different profiles that I switch between.

[@markwalton8644]

I was thinking your exact point and fit a lightened fly wheel and shorted final drive for under 15k and I bet you wouldn't be far behind the experience you'd have in the S/T. 100k is a lot of money for the extras you get. I believe all the S/T's have already been sold, probably to collectors ( who won't drive them) or salesman so they can sell them on for Mega bucks😢

[@MrOneMOA]

And it won’t cost you over $100k 😂

[@hovnojede010101]

⁠someone's already ordered S/T clutch and flywheel. The part numbers are already out

[@porscherain]

No one I can find makes a shortened gear set for the GT3

[@chadbarbaro]

​@@porscherain demann?

[@Daniel-tt8ni]

Your wrist hardware is matching the exterior colorway of the touring, nice touch, car guy dorkiness at its best

[@PointGiven]

I have the winged version of the 992 GT3. I find it “bouncy” in normal so I keep it in sport or track all the time.

[@mainardodenardis382]

I do the same on my touring.

[@primehimselfdeluxe]

Regarding the rpm fall ----> did you ever try "no lift shift"?😉The manual GT3 has a special mode for you, to stay on full throttle while shifting up. It holds the rpm in perfect rpm for the next higher gear. If you try it out, please make a video of that.

[@tamoorc]

It works at any throttle position or RPM which is pretty cool. It makes a cool noise between shifts as well.

[@speedracer8996]

If you notice in the video at the 10:35 point, looks like he's utilizing the paddle shifters. As much as I love the shifter look and feel, I would be using the paddle shift often as possible.

[@marccyberwiz]

@@speedracer8996 This car doesnt have paddle shifters its Manual only.

[@Chainwhips]

@@speedracer8996 Both cars are manual. The ST in the clip you're referring to is sold ONLY as a manual.

[@JoakimDyredand]

Same question here. Because that flat shift is my best ever experience!

[@RedWagon888]

Man, the dream is owning any GT product from Porsche. Amazing ❤

[@jimiverson3085]

My instructor at a PCA track weekend owned a 991 generation GT3 Touring - slower than either of that cars. A ride along with him in the car felt a little like being on a rodeo bull - everything happened very, very fast and it outdid my processing speed. I can't imagine what anyone would do with a car faster than that one.

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

Respectfully, Matt, It doesn’t make sense to me to make a comparison with a hypothetical $40K lightweighting package; There are no cheap substitutions to get such a light and blippable/revvy car. Carbon panels everywhere, magnesium wheels and suspension components from the Weissach package. Considering that the next closest high revving NA, ultra lightweight sports car with a manual transmission is the $2M+ Gordon Murray T33, and that $100K extra (+ crazy $ADM), in my opinion, pales in comparison.

[@MrOneMOA]

The Gordon Murray car is TRULY lightweight. Nearly 1000lbs lighter than a GT3. This S/T is honestly faux light weight. A GT3 touring with a 16gal fuel tank weighs the same as the S/T with a long range fuel tank

[@brianhimmelman420]

bro u r “all in” on these S/T posts … can I assume u have allocation coming?

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@brianhimmelman420 hahah I do, and it’s also my dream car

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@MrOneMOA that’s absolutely true that the T33 & T50 are on another level, but their price reflects that. Lightweight is expensive.

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@MrOneMOA I don’t think 3056 pounds can be called faux lightweight though, to be fair, it’s only 192 pounds more than a BRZ, with 290 more horsepower, and a good chunk of that weight reduction was from rotating mass/parts, which has a multiplicative or even exponential effect on response, blippability, and acceleration

[@nathankendall3467]

Great review I was just cross shopping these two for my next winter beater.

[@dougsmith4678]

Great review Matt. You are one of the best at communicating how a car feels and drives! Thank you for this great comparison.

[@justarandomcarguy]

Only Porsche can swing removing features and charging more money for it.

[@davideslava3526]

We’ve been waiting for this video for over a year, and you overdelivered Matt. You guys are awesome!! Cheers from Spain

[@GreatMotors]

Let me just drop this thought. If you want a 911 to actually do Touring trips, what about not choosing a GT division 911? I understand the niche that the GT3 Touring is there to fill, but if you want a more comfortable 911 there are a lot of (very) good alternatives. You don't need to go to a limited edition S/T. It's probably an Ethos created by the internet, and the opinions that mass media create. Yes for me, a car enthusiasts, GT (in my case 4) every day any day. For 99% of the people? Any other Porsche will be a better car.

[@zeamethyst-M4Z]

Agreed. The S/T was not engineered to do Touring trips it was engineered to be a canyon carver, a weekend warrior, the best driving experience for roads across the 911 lineup. Certainly a base carrera or Turbo S would be better suited as a road trip vehicle

[@GroppeljohannKlotenkempe-vr6oh]

I‘d recommend a GTS

[@got_gt3612]

I just installed LWF from ST in to my touring , it absolutely transformed the car , kinda sprinkled more craziness in already crazy car. Reves like a motorcycle, makes all kind of shattering noises but most importantly keeps you focused even more. Every time I come back from a drive I feel like after good workout. Great video , very good points . Only think I can add is this LWF is not for everyone, it’s kinda CGT experience .

[@Jorgens_Garage]

Great Review ( as always).. I have the GT3 Touring and love it! We live here in Utah with some of the best driving roads in the country ( from mountain passes, canyons and open desert, which is where the Touring excels

[@rahulmenon6073]

i hope these features carry over to 992.2 gt3 touring (if it comes) sound deadening delete, light flywheel & clutch, shortened gear ratio (on manual) should be enough. i would still like to keep rear steer for daily use

[@undergroundoutlaw411]

I wouldn’t be surprised. Porsche cashes in on the $$$ from the clients who want a numbered car; then deliver a more “readily available” version next refresh.

[@cben86]

This is the Porsche playbook. Would be surprised if this didn’t happen.

[@zeamethyst-M4Z]

The softened suspension tuning will carry over to the 992.2 Touring, the lightened clutch and single mass flywheel will not. Shorter gearing tbd

[@Boomtowndogs]

@@undergroundoutlaw411 S/T boys about to learn about the 911R experience

[@marccyberwiz]

@@Boomtowndogs 911R still priced up there. It's basically the same concept they took 991 and introduced manual with light single flywheel and that was 911 examples.

[@jlpower]

What a machine. And something about the chrome trim just looks so classy. Love the Bamboo GS, btw.

[@ewan_ou182]

great review Matt. whether this is pertinent, but I have GT4RS, which I absolutely love. I drive my car frequently - 8300kms on the clock. Over the Christmas holiday period, I did a big road trip - Sydney to Melbourne, back to Sydney. I travelled almost 2400kms (1500miles), following the very scenic and winding coast road. The harder I pushed, the bigger my grin became. The roads were almost empty, so I pushed hard, resisting the urge to brake… I had the best time ever. Every car i have previously owned, was a manual, inc my prior car the 981 GT4, however I now truly understand the PDK, and I love it. Yes it was very loud inside (averaged 94db’s), but that’s why this car is so special. To me its the perfect tourer, however my question to you is: How do you think it compares to the GT3 Touring, and the S/T ? Please reply… thanks again Matt cheers Ewan - Sydney Australia

[@xenontech9]

Watch for hearing damage!

[@noandrewhere]

I am working in Automotive and had the opportunity to drive both cars last year. I’ve driven a lot of 911 for work and also use to drive and collect Porsches since almost 30 years now. My résumé is that there’s no relevant difference between the two models. It’s like with most of the limited edition cars of Porsche. They just change a few parts but it’s actually more about to create a special edition car than building a model that stands alone. I still remember how thrilling it was to drive a 993 RS or GT2.. These were special cars. But I also think it was the pinnacle of the automobile history.

[@SpookyConcepts]

The sound!!! My goodness the sound the S/T makes, that's the dream. Even the chattering, which I kinda like

[@marciomendonca740]

The way you explain stuff, it’s like anyone who has never driven either, can understand exactly what you are saying. You are a cars voice Mr Matt. I have a 991.2 GTS and never driven a gt product, but I feel when I do, it will be as you describe

[@rcrr]

Dealer called wanting to buy my Touring for $240K asking for $150K to get to lease an ST for one year. No thanks.

[@gradyseasons8800]

Still awaiting delivery of my ST

[@DPCcars]

Absolutely stellar review, Matt! 🌟 It's fascinating to see how passionate everyone is about the nuances of these models.

[@EvoraGT430]

"Nobody does weight reduction like Porsche"? What a load of garbage. Lotus/Atom/Caterham/McLaren all way lighter than this huge barge.

[@ernesternest815]

@@EvoraGT430 come on. Maybe lotus, McLaren yeah but it will be in the shop all the time. Atom, caterham are specialty cars and not really in the same category. Sure the S/T is great but it’s unobtanium. Porsche can make a special anything and it will sell. Years of printing money have made a bunch of rich folks who scoop up everything. The good thing though is Porsche has some great cars that are absurdly cheaper that provide that Porsche experience.

[@VK6AB-]

They're not really, its mainly marketing. Long term owners are not fooled by this stuff. Given the talking point is still the engine which is largely the same as that found in 991.2 GT3 and the weight reduction commentary is priceless.

[@johnmclean687]

Engineering excellence. Nobody does it better. Stunning cars.

[@poehaaa4642]

Wow. What a perfect spec for a GT3 Touring.

[@eyesurgeon69]

Extremely useful comparison. Peak torque at over 6k and a lightweight flywheel makes this a poor choice for real world driving but a great choice for youtube videos

[@jgway9980]

Great review but 911 reviews are almost pointless these days with Porsche’s stupid long wait times even for a base. Not to mention these 2 models are pretty much impossible to get.

[@car-nugget]

Awesome video! It’d be great to see a comparison with the Porsche 911 T vs Porsche GT3 touring.

[@gabethomas8123]

“New-old school” is a term that all of the manufacturers should use to guide the production of at least one model in their lineup. Ferrari could charge whatever they want for a car that captures that spirit. Basically a new f355, it would be everyone’s lust. If Porsche can still build naturally aspirated models that pass emissions, Italy can do it as well.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

ferrari is more interested in selling hats they stuffed their NA V12 into an SUV though if that's your fancy

[@klaasfreres4650]

Dear Matt, after delivery I drove my touring and I instantly felt that the rear suspension wasn't good as the front; rebound and high speed damping made the car jumpy after several bumps. For a moment I regretted the car. I contacted my specialist on suspension technic, madeno Racing, and he advised me ohlins ttx dampers on every corner. The oem system is blocked with a cancellation kit. I have to go under the car to change suspension but now irs absolutely the best handling car. Oem dampers where terrible, specially on open roads. Thanks for your tests

[@bargym2312]

That video was delightful. Matt, you were the perfect man for the job of translating the comparison of these 2 amazing machines.

[@budflicker1]

I love how removing rear wheel steering makes it so good, when rear wheel steering has only been around for a few years. Trying to match the Epas system to feel hydraulic....im thinking an older 911 with hydraulic steering might be the real sweet spot. 997 GT3, 997 GTS, 987 Spyder, Cayman R, all these are available at much more sensible money and dont require a "relationship " with a Porsche dealership.

[@T100ley]

So ~$40k option worth of significant nuance. You combine that with the collectible status, and the insane market for the GT cars and $100k sound appropriate. Jason Cammisa has talked at length at how Porsche has messed up the MSRP on the GT cars and how NA dealers are profiting off that mistake instead of it benefiting Porsche’s GT team’s development budget. I think he makes a good point, even if it just furthers the unobtainable status of these cars at least the money goes to the correct place.

[@Ramsi-Berlin]

Thanks mate ❣️ This is the video I wanted to see 👌🏼 For me that s/t is the best 911 ever ❕😃 Sad, that they built only 1963 car's 😢 Why they don't bring this as normal stock model ❔🤷🏻‍♂️ Yeah, I don't have the money for any 911 😂 But cool to dream of it. Love from Berlin 🇩🇪 Ramsi 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@integrafreak1]

The best Porsche is the most expensive one you can buy

[@karlin_oriley]

Thing about the ST is that it's not just better but limited. I think because of that prices will really get high on this one after a few years. Everybody loves the ST and many said in the reviews that it's the best Porsche ever built which makes it even more worthy. I myself wouldn't want to have a manual stick shifting on a car that's made for the sharp corners on a really curvy road. Shift Paddles make much more sense for me to be able to ALWAYS steer as good as possible! Great cars. Great review. Makes even fun while watching!

[@mr.carguy3161]

Don’t knock it till you try it! A lot of people love them for VERY GOOD Reasons! ✌️

[@MrPimpmygun]

The touring is to the gt3 as the st is to the 3rs. Thats the point, I don't understand how people don't get porsche by now. The recipe doesn't change, when the new gt2rs comes out they're inevitably be a boosted or hybrid drivetrain touring model as well that will be more then both of these. They fill out their model range so there's something for everyone, just because some guy in the comments is broke doesn't mean everyone else is

[@PrimaryIgnition]

First class example of marketing scarcity and buyer emotions. GT3 Touring ftw. You no fool me Porsche.

[@Jtjustintimberlake]

great car but beyond the reach of most. I really like what Porsche does with the Cayman as an alternative

[@joeracer302]

It’s even crazier when you realize people will pay $75k over sticker to get a highly optioned PTS GT3t, so that $225k car is really selling for $300k. Personally, if I’m spending $300k I’m going to be cross shopping some serious competition. I just don’t get the desire for these cars at this price, and I own two Porsches, one was purchased new last year. 992 GT3 are just not worth it to me. The S/T are basically unobtanium, people paying $150k over sticker. Dealers making a killing tho.

[@joshlongstreet3044]

@@joeracer302 I totally agree! This to me is why my 718 GT4 was such a great value proposition. Great package for the money (esp since i got mine at MSRP) when i ordered it

[@Kacpa2]

​@@joeracer302 Its scalpers and "investor-collectors" ruinig it and taking these away from majority of of car people who have higher medium class income, and the higher you go the less people who are true car people that you will find. So even the more fortunate petrol heads get screwed by this.

[@papa_pt]

​@@joeracer302you're talking about maniacally rich P fans who get special editions just to dunk on their other crazy rich P car fan friends I love Porsche. Just met a couple people like the above mentioned recently 😂

[@grandpadre8811]

Excellent review! Thank you!

[@T100ley]

Also love the video, channel, and so thank you very much for all the wonderful content!

[@FernandoSosaIndustries]

Now this is the video I wanted... Great Work Zach and Matt!

[@BertrandDussert]

Great comparison. I’ll keep my manual 992 GT3 MR for now!

[@vehiculemagazine]

nice to have the old format back.

[@Hornbaek-07]

Great review. I have a GT3 Touring and the only complaint I have is that is is loud inside the cabin. So much more „racing“ than „touring“. If the S/T has even less sound deadening than that would be an issue. I also am fortunate enough to have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 - and that car is still the best Porsche GT car - imho.

[@tboztheish]

Aren’t u awesome

[@bluelizzardperformance4051]

Just to put the weight of the car in context: It's as light as a C6 Z06 (Z07) ;).

[@liltay8962]

incredible video Matt the review exceeded my expectations I had for this video you are best auto journalist out there!

[@dimmacommunication]

My 2008 family SAAB has the same problem with the rear stearing. It's a 2 hands on the wheel always.

[@jjchockey]

what? I had one, you can drive it with your pinky. How long has it been since you got an allghinmnet?

[@dimmacommunication]

@@jjchockey Nah man, the car always has been like that from the start , purchased new in 2008 👍

[@hsbutoy]

This video was really useful in helping me decide which car I should dream about having more...

[@dennison1500]

Was waiting for this one! Great review as always👍

[@sirbondman007]

You know, the 100,000 plus dollar difference between the GT3 touring in the EST is not worth it. In my opinion. I would just change the dampers to the Olin TTX and recalculate the suspension if I needed to in order to get out some of that. Dardeniness. I wonder if you can order a GT3 touring without the rear steering. Great review! Love the whole thing. I'm still a fan.

[@tboztheish]

The st is a touring version of the gt3 rs

[@KyleConner]

This is the content we are here for!!

[@simplymusic487]

Great review as always…. The quality of b-roll can be improved with drone shots, other cars shooting you from front and back. But like your no nonsense cut to the chase approach. Can you tell me which road this is?

[@akarilotube]

I get the clattery clutch thing as I've driven a Carrera GT and the clatter on that clutch was off the hook. Great comparison.

[@bradrook3919]

My Dream car. The GT-3 Touring. Even after this comparison. Both way out of my league. But love that Porsche still is putting manual s in them.

[@atom999]

Wouldn't a good geo setup resolve the gt3 issues? Many people complain about the busy steering, which worries me as I consider one

[@johnm.9982]

Speaking as a lower class man, do people put coilovers on the 992 gens? Or is it preferable to keep the stock suspension just bc maybe the stock suspension is good enough or it feels better to them

[@MrStlvette]

Thanks Matt! Amazing review, so in depth & specific.

[@antonioruiz1540]

Exellent review I would love to be behind the wheels of this two cars !!

[@richardness3]

Seems like softer springs and a light flywheel on a touring gets you 80% of the way there

[@zeamethyst-M4Z]

the springs are not softer on the S/T. It is the tuning of the dampers that changes the suspension feel between them

[@philipmarsh3522]

I don’t think you can get there without decreasing the car’s weight, though. That’s the real difference between the two cars. These new cars - especially the hybrids - are so heavy that the ride is crazy stiff. The suspension is so compressed! I rode in the S/T recently and one thing that doesn’t get caught in the videos is how loud they are. It’s fun but not a good touring car, it would be pretty fatiguing on a long drive. Awesome car though.

[@barryhoft4123]

Great review Sir !! Now were waiting for th ST vs R report 😋

[@bbkGT3]

Great review, full stop

[@gosmarte669]

It's worth it because it is a limited production car and at a minimum it will retain it's value over time. I can not wait to get mine in May.

[@teamredgutz399]

This is a video I have very much been looking forward to drop. I’ve been dying to see what your opinion was on this topic

I always skip your ads. I’ve had move globes for probably 10 years now. They still work and they’re amazing!! I’m going to buy another one now.

[@wozmac771]

The bounciness and unsettling behavior of any sports car is not because of its steering sharpness but rather the damper settings. Try the sport mode in Touring if that is available and it will help. Also, the width of the front tires in particular causes the dartiness.

[@Fay-Hen]

i find it hard to believe anyone can make anything feel $100k better than a GT3 touring for only $100k more

[@dirtydanoverland9083]

That gt3 touring is the PERFRCT spec. Bravo to whoever spec'd that beauty out

[@HoratioHoodoo]

That $100k extra is meaningless given the rarity and thus future value of these cars. "Subtle yet significant" improvements on the greatest road car on sale today is worth a good deal of money to those that have it, regardless.

[@kevmagill5163]

So many things I want to say about this epic comparison of two god level Porsches. But I just want to say.... The sound, the effing sound man.

[@IndependenceCityMotoring]

The problem is VW Porsche has some major QC issues lately. Take a look at Harry's Garage GT3 video with some examples.

[@mikep.5517]

Speaking as the owner of a 991.2 Turbo, those high-RPM flybys were orgasmic.

[@bennjihh]

loved the pacing of this video great work yall

[@quintongrand]

thanks for this video

[@scotttibbits9703]

Super keen for a real world comparison between Spyder RS and your Spyder Matt.

[@briand2507]

That GT3 Touring is the most beautiful build, exactly what I would order. And might... eventually.

[@Cwrigh25]

Both cars are amazing. Lol at the comments with the fake spam accounts and butts as profiles pics.

[@beeeneee]

Great video. Btw what kind of watch is this? Grand Seiko?

[@Overseerdv]

@TheSmokingTire I watched another youtuber state that the GT3RS engine is in the ST and that the Touring is not the same RS engine, but only the GT3 model; any info on this? that alone could account for much of the cost in the 100k bump.

[@drivingnirvana5164]

So extra cash better spent to take a Touring to Demann for 4.5l, shorter gearing, super light flywheel, KW Coils, magnesium wheels?

[@nyalsewell]

No one can hustle a car in the canyons like Matt Farah. Freakin awesome video gentlemen.

[@minimali992]

If porsche is to follow a similar strategy to the one they did with 991, release a purist version with .1 and continue with gt2rs and speedster in the .2, it is highly probable that they will bring the suspension and lightweight upgrades to the .2 gt3 touring. If the gts receives the 3.6 na engine it is said to get, porsche will need to further distinguish the gt3 from it and with no purist model up top like the st to threaten, I believe they will offer the st upgrades minus the rear steering delete and perhaps the lightweight clutch as a package on gt3 touring and profit more from the 30-40k package. Remember, speedster is already a convertible gt3 so there is no way even a touring with st package can canninalise its sales

[@marloon88]

Waiting for Matt's 2005 nsx review!

[@cbotten106]

If you've got the money and can get in the "right line" the S/T would be more than worth it ($100K). Just in resale going forward it seems like a no brainer. That tested Touring spec is gorgeous though. One cannot help but suspect that the vast majority of S/Ts will end up as garage queens.

[@rafallo1333]

Being a die-hard Mazda MX-5 Miata fan it's funny for me to hear that "only Porsche" does weight reduction this good. For me it's not that light at all, even after reduction. It's still 400 kilograms heavier than Miatas. Of course it will be faster and it will be stiffer, but it's only lightweight when you compare it to something like standard, luxury equipped 911 or heavy, normal road cars. Lotus and Mazda know you can do better. Of course it's completely different animal here with all the bells and whistles, more power, more everything, but on the curvy road it really doesn't matter. The 911 would be much more daily-driveable though. Perfect scenario for me? Having a nice Cayman/911 as daily/GT and a Miata for canyon carving...❤

[@eugenux]

great review, thank you for showing us these cars at the same time.

[@BixenteDelBosque]

very good review . Thanks !

[@rubioalejo]

That is why the S-T is intended only for a few who understand and appreciate those details that are not visible to the eyes of ordinary people but that represent a great change in the entire concept of this machine. These comparisons of new models with inferior parallel versions are the favorite topic of these KZbinrs. In the end it is all a matter of points of view, remember that this guy has a GT4 and says it is the best car in the world.

[@alenaalena13]

GT4 was voted best car in the world regardless of price when it came out (by Evo magazine) so he is not alone. I had one for 8 years and all it lacked was bigger muscles.

[@VladiDusil]

Great video, Matt. The comparison is sorta moot point, as the S/T is basically unobtainable, even to those with deep pockets. I'd wait until some of the S/T tech trickles down to the 992.2 GT3T.

[@SoupyTurtle]

Great video!

[@eea1119]

Great video, thanks Matt!

[@dp2901]

Great review! Most of those globes are sold out, too.

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“GT Whee” to 3-times “WOOO!” Worth it? I agree with you, Matt.