The REAL Problem With Boeing's Starliner...

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[@KindriEvans]

Currently it is still somehow safer to be a Boeing astronaut than it is to be a Boeing whistleblower

[@eudaenomic]

For how long?

[@_PatrickO]

Doesn't boeing technically have blame for the space shuttle columbia? It is the same kind of thing. They knew there are problems that could affect a safe reentry. Problems caused by boeing ignoring a design flaw and doing nothing to reduce the risk. They will ignore the risk and try to reenter while rolling the dice all over again with starliner.

[@B055DERB055E]

​@@_PatrickOI don't thing so. Precisely because they don't want to make the same mistakes again as they did with Columbia, they take twice as much time to double and triple check the smallest mistakes.

[@NewsBoner]

@@_PatrickO space shuttle was the biggest peaceful waste of money in human history. The only quality science we got was Hubble, and you didn't even need space shuttle for that.

[@_PatrickO]

@@B055DERB055E I guess you did not pick up on what was said. Boeing gets the body count on columbia credited to them. Remember, the slide in boeing started in the 90s with the McDonnell Douglas merger. Starliner's failure is an example of boeing doing exactly what it has been doing for almost 30 years.

[@SebastianWellsTL]

"They are not stranded in space" but also they can't come home yet because it's not safe, hmm... 🤔

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

Questionable...

[@CedarCoveTigerPark]

I believe the response is better summed up as “gaining as much design analysis data as possible before the test article phase changes in the atmosphere.”

[@louiscypher4186]

Didn't you read? it's perfectly safe.... according to the people who tell them they can't come home yet.

[@thomasboese3793]

No questions, just zero answers. This 'real-world' testing should have been done after the last flight had the same problems.

[@John-cf5im]

That isn't what was said.

[@FoulPet]

Not stranded, just stuck without the ability to come back.

[@thomasboese3793]

Where is Will Robinson when you need a fresh perspective on the issues?

[@richard--s]

They wanted to find the cause of the problem. And that sits in the part of the capsule that's planned to be separated and will burn up. The bare capsule will return. The part with the failure sits in a module, that's mounted beneath the heat shield of the capsule. It's the module that steers the capsule, has propellant tanks and thrusters. In Apollo times a similar module was the cylindrical module directly under the capsule.

[@Alloutgaming4879]

Hopefully not another titanic esque tragedy

[@Jon6429]

We live in a world where stores sell camping tents "Not suitable for outdoor use", cars that re-tune themselves prior to emission testing and ya'll surprised somebody skewed the test criteria so the thrusters passed?

[@interpl6089]

Emission testing is BS anyway

[@RonColeArt]

Starliner isn't incapacitated, it was just suffering from jetlag and it had a cold. Starliner admits it's not as young as it used to be and just had a bad night.

[@otpyrcralphpierre1742]

You're mistaken...that is Joeliner....

[@GabrielVelasco]

LOL

[@georgeallen7667]

Oh, it only works from 10 am to 4 pm ....5 days a week

[@RonColeArt]

Why are you judging Starliner's performance on just one problematic flight? You should be looking at its track record of success over the past several years. We're just getting started, c'mon man.

[@georgeallen7667]

@@RonColeArt like I said, catch a ride. But hey, Morton Thiokol had a good success record. As they say, past performance does not guarantee future success. This isn't a game on Playstation.

[@angelarch5352]

"The astronauts are not stranded in space... they are just having a fun extended vacation forever in space."- Boeing Execs

[@papa.mike01]

It may be painful for Mr. Stitch to read what is being said about Star Liner. The truth does hurt sometimes. Boeing as a company is having a bit of truth trouble right now all the way around.

[@haroldhenderson2824]

It's the Culture.

[@ddegn]

He really needs to embrace the interest people have in it. You can't get people to stop making critical comments by asking them. He needs to turn the lemons into (still very sour) lemonade by saying he appreciates how involved everyone is in the discourse. He doesn't have to mean it but it would help his cause to accept criticism is going to continue.

[@arjundureja]

This Starliner mission is definitely going to turn into a movie

[@ghost307]

"Marooned" with Richard Crenna.

[@wesleybeaver]

Boring movie. A room full of geeks poring over digital sensor data, and two astronauts calmly helping the ISS scheduled crew to catch up on their workload. No explosions, no starvation, no drama whatsoever. Just a capsule whose service module is leaking helium a little faster than normal.

[@SWExplore]

A movie I will definitely not be watching.

[@arjundureja]

@@wesleybeaver Just wait for SpaceX to step in and save the day

[@raymacdhomhnuill8018]

​​@@SWExplorenah.... Tom Cruise... he finally found a plot for the movie he wants to film on the ISS

[@Spacenoid0001]

They said the same thing with Challenger and Columbia. "Safety" of the crew is of the "utmost" importance to "us", the crew is "not" in any "danger".

[@Tonyefrags]

No one is ever going to admit they built a death trap....

[@cseale61]

We all know that SpaceX is going to have to go up and get the Starliner crew.

[@ddegn]

I'll bet you $2 they don't. Starliner (particularly Boeing) has sever problems but I'd bet a lot of money the crew will return safely on Starliner.

[@matao87]

While it may not be "stranded", it's hard to imagine starliner can get certified for regular missions after this fiasco...

[@MetaView7]

MAX did.

[@danielakerlof4862]

Na with some old fashion corruption and money, it’s solved.

[@frankokumu5544]

Boeing. The sick man of aeronautics

[@causewaykayak]

World flies on Airbus and Boeing. You want to walk ?

[@williamcase426]

No u

[@causewaykayak]

@@williamcase426 Nope. I use both and more to fly, happily (so far 🥴)

[@user-nu1sq2fz8s]

​@@causewaykayakBoeing has been shit last 10 years or so though

[@ASchnacky]

​@@causewaykayakBuz it's gov funded & people waste gov money not their own

[@Noneya-bw5gm]

Butch and Suni should call a Crew Dragon Ubr

[@Ron4885]

Good idea. 😉

[@andrewtaylor940]

Official test pilot report “you aren’t big enough and there aren’t enough of you up here to get me back in that thing!”

[@aurorithusshadowstar8303]

Serious. Even after testing and an eventual "it's safe to return" test pilot or no, you can forget it.

[@airzillarocks]

🏆

[@nealwright5630]

Remember folks. They're NOT stranded! NOT.... that's the opposite of if they _were_ stranded and couldn't leave the station!

[@rpfour4]

3:25 Yeah guys, stop bullying Boeing on Starliner already. 737 MAX on the other hand...

[@perryrush6563]

And the 787 Dreamliner. Maybe Boeing should stop naming things with "...liner" at the end of the name.

[@louiscypher4186]

Hey the new max is fine it passed 8/11 test conditions.

[@user-nu1sq2fz8s]

​@@louiscypher4186what new MAX

[@louiscypher4186]

@@user-nu1sq2fz8s The Max 10, it has been certified yet because it didn't pass all the tests. I was taking the piss because starliner failed 4 of its tests conditions on its unmanned flights and NASA said Yeap stick people in it.

[@1924Eugene]

Yeah, the KC46 is fine too.

[@GeneCAu]

Crew dragon please ?

[@ljre3397]

It launched 5 years late and still has a lot of problems. I don’t think NASA or Boeing should be in the rocket business.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

Or SpaceX, I suppose -- Crew Dragon was years late. Or ArianeGroup and their way-behind Ariane 6. Likewise for JAXA and the troubled H-III. Definitely nothing from the PRC: Their manned capsule program dragged on for about 35 years to the first flight, and their current airliner programs make Boeing look downright punctual.

[@ljre3397]

@@marcmcreynolds2827 SpaceX is a decade ahead of NASA/Boeing.

[@allangibson8494]

@@ljre3397SpaceX is five decades behind NASA… Boeing’s problem is outsourcing to third world countries for engineering…

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

@@ljre3397 SpaceX is however far ahead they are largely because of NASA, if you are familiar with the history of SpaceX.

[@ljre3397]

@@allangibson8494 then why is Starliner broken? SpaceX hasn’t stranded anyone. I grew up with Gemini and Apollo so I know what NASA can do but their development process is stuck in the 60s.

[@robrobason]

Starliner is a technical, financial, political, and public relations train wreck, but as we've learned in recent years, train wrecks don't really constitute any sort of message for federal bureaucrats or contractors: because results don't really matter that much as long as all the guilty parties escape unscathed.

[@uzlonewolf]

More like, results don't really matter that much as long as the correct people pocket billions of taxpayer dollars.

[@raymacdhomhnuill8018]

Strand Liner is not stuck!! Hopefully, the door won't fall off or get stuck too, or as boing would say... 'NOT' stuck

[@dereks1264]

Maybe if Boeing wasn't so ... ah ... messed up, people wouldn't criticise them.

[@tigers1066]

They are clearly not confident that additional thrusters will also fail once it has left the ISS. You then have a situation with all kinds of potential hazardous outcomes. Replicate on earth?? No, you can only be sure on the real thing. Big call coming up. If they value the lives of the crew they will defer to Dragon. Anything else is an unknowable risk

[@thomasboese3793]

All the testing on Earth will not uncover the root cause, if the root cause is being in micro-gravity.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

Or call up the Ol' Reliable. Russian Soyuz. Which is very likely what we're doing behind the scenes. Putin is laughing as we prostrate before him to make a special launch to get our people home. [Putin] *хахаха Да, в самом деле!* How bad do you want us to get your astronauts home? Some public apologies for your meddling in Ukraine since 2008 will only be the beginning of negotiations.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

@@BlackPill-pu4vi Russia certainly is an expert when it comes to "meddling in Ukraine", and is of course in need of all the graft they can get: "Russia is so dependent on China right now,” Stubb, 56, said in an interview in Helsinki Tuesday. “One phone call from President Xi Jinping would solve this crisis.” But alas, the USA has no need for a spare capsule, Soyuz or otherwise, so your fantasy remains merely that.

[@thomasboese3793]

@@BlackPill-pu4vi Why would you do that? We have a dragon launch soon, granted its mission is to do a spacewalk, and does not have a docking ring, but... With two new flight suits, it could bring them back.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

@@thomasboese3793 Because the Soyuz has a docking ring and many years of experience. To move the astronauts from the ISS airlock to the capsule would require total depressurization of the capsule for them to enter. Then there has to be enough air to repressurize the capsule.

[@abdultairu]

I hope Steve Stich have enough thread to Stitch Boeing StrandLiner together for NASA.

[@wojomojo]

Everything is definitely absolutely nothing-to-worry-about not stranded and fine, we honest-to-god swear! You guys are sullying Boeing’s considerable and substantial and continuing-excellent record of caring about quality!

[@SDuapveer11]

🤣

[@TommyTippy598]

No compassion for Boeing. Their miserable safety record speaks for itself. They handled this news release/media nightmare horribly and continue to do so even now.

[@sunside79334]

just wondering when the first astronaut comes up with "if its boeing i aint going"...

[@andymouse]

Don't be so mean.....LMFAO!

[@MapMonkeyTube]

"Being a representative of Boeing... it's pretty painful to read the things that are out there." This is called, "The Truth hurts." "We've gotten pretty good at " making sure whistleblowers have nothing negative to say about us "so far and it's being viewed rather negatively." A solid reason to spend an extra 45 days to make sure the door is going to stay on during reentry since there is an established pattern of the government having to eliminate or "fix" Boeing's mistakes.

[@xvbd6067]

Good, the least you can get are hurt feelings for wasting billions of the peoples time and money

[@ObsoleteTutorials]

If I was a journalist, I would ask the Boeing rep that "Can you assure us that the astronauts are coming home in the Starliner?"

[@chaser1956]

Question: Do they have the ability to return the Starliner remotely with no personnel on board if needed?

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

It's been done before in 2022, so they probably can

[@dylanroemer4277]

@@TheSpaceRaceYT I just said that and have a crew dragon come get them to be safe. because if they get killed returning because nobody wanted to call spacex im going to be pissed

[@NonBinary_Star]

"We understand these issues for a safe return. But we don't understand these issues enough yet for us to fix them permanently." -- Mark Nappi lemme get this straight... so he's saying they only understand issues for a safe return "sometimes." wtf that's no consolation!

[@ghost307]

Detailed knowledge of what went wrong is not the same things as fixing it.

[@ytrefugee113]

They should tow the ISS to a lagrange point between earth and the moon, so it only needs little if any propulsion capability. Then stock it with emergency provisions, fuel, food, oxygen, maybe even a fully fueled return capsule, and then use the station as an emergency "lifeboat"

[@535phobos]

Do you have any idea how far out the langrange points are?

[@ytrefugee113]

The closest, L1, is about 320,000km, but being an unstable point, it would be better to use one of the others. Yes, that seems a long distance, but it could be done. How far away are the voyager probes? A fully fueld starship could easily pull the ISS to one of those points, then slingshot around the moon to make the trip back. I really dont understand why people think some things are completely impossible, but that kind of thinking is what has kept us confined to LEO for the past 50+yrs. It is a waste to just destroy the ISS

[@thomasboese3793]

@@535phobos Or the costs of yearly maintenance. How many different fuels are going to be in storage? What boils off?

[@stephenwood9703]

Good idea I was thinking they should do some reconfiguration of the iss fix what needs to be done and place it in a secure orbit around the moon as a staging base for moon landings, if they remove the Russian module then restructure it around a new configuration, and since they gave some time get some of those projects to tidy up all the junk in space the green light and make the room to move the iss away from the earth.

[@davidgroll-cook7125]

Epcot has shown fish fertilizer for years Glad to see it working out for mars

[@dylanroemer4277]

to be safe i would send starliner back unmanned and send up crew dragon to get them

[@user-nz6dx2fj6h]

One of the big problems with Aquaponics is it needs heat. Bacteria won't grow in anything less than 12 degrees. Not only that but Potatoes and tubers like carrots can't be grown in water or wet sand or gravel.

[@chucksurgeonertribute2113]

Politicians thrive with mushrooms!

[@DrMackSplackem]

Good thing they'll be grown where the people are.

[@BlackPill-pu4vi]

They are starting off with species far too advanced to plant on Mars. The most basic life forms must start first. Like blue-green algae. If any water is found, spread it there by use of special entry vehicles. Maybe something that inflates during descent, bounces on the ground, and then bursts open after it settles. There are lichens and creatures in Antarctica that could be the next layer of life to be deposited. It will take a century of persistent work and maybe 10% will succeed but, a self-sustaining food chain has to be established. Just guessing at this point.

[@dereks1264]

The report on aquaponics didn't mention how the perchlorate in the Martian regolith, which is at a level that is lethal to both humans and plants (and, I assume, fish), would be dealt with. To be fair, The Martian didn't deal with it either.

[@sydhenderson6753]

I've always wondered if the perchlorates could be used as a source of oxygen. If so, then you'd just have to worry about salty soil.

[@andymouse]

In your 'closed loop system' you forgot that fish have to eat and they can't eat bacteria !....cheers.

[@unicorn12345]

Wild tilapia feed on algae. Farm raised tilapia usually have a grain-based fish meal. You could maybe grow algae on Mars, but algae still need nutrients to grow, such as nitrogen and phosphorus.

[@jameslatimer3600]

I wonder if Steve Stich or any of the other suits would get on board the Starliner and go through re-entry. So how about they get on Musk's machine, go up there and bring the craft home themselves.

[@jonwatkins254]

Suni and Butch are tough, brave, and dedicated people. They deserve the best we can do in technology. I hope the Star liner can eventually measure up.

[@40MileDesertRat]

Many people are stranded in airports, train stations, traffic jams and all manner of other situations that precludes them from doing what they planned. Two people in a delayed, or maybe never to return to Earth leaking can is not an exception. They are stranded.

[@andrewtaylor940]

“Totally not stranded! We swear, trust us bro’s. We absolutely positively will let them use the thing as a lifeboat if they have no other options in the event of an emergency. We are confident in rolling the dice that they might have some chance of landing safely. Well okay a better chance than they would have riding the station down. We are now confident that the Starliner can stay up attached to the station absolutely indefinitely. We are collecting all sorts of data about how the Starliner behaves while parked in orbit for much longer than we planned. This is some really good stuff! What? Why didn’t we do this with Dragon? Next question! What do we plan to do about the crew? We’ve submitted a contract to SpaceX to send up a Cargo Dragon to deliver a change of clothes, clean underwear and their retirement paperwork to the Starliner crew.”

[@petergibson2318]

Mars is only very rarely 54.6 million kilometres from earth. That is the minimum distance, which occurs when Earth is at Aphelion and Mars is at Perihelion and at the same time Mars is “in opposition” to earth. (In opposition means the sun earth and Mars are in a dead straight line.) Mars is usually MUCH farther away. Earth and Mars can be 401 million kilometres apart when both planets are on opposite sides of the sun and both planets are at Aphelion.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

Don't coastal Asian people use fish aquaponics to fertilize and grow rice?

[@haroldhenderson2824]

It's full of Arsenic and E.Coli, but yes.

[@arthurhamilton5222]

@haroldhenderson2824 They are are still living. So, their bodies have developed natural antibodies against the E Coli and arsenic. Just my opinion.

[@TheRubyKnite]

The aquaponic story was fascinating. Thanks, you guys rock.

[@juggadaaku4219]

They are not stranded, they are “orbitally challenged”… And kudos to Tilapia!! It’s a delicious fish but I guess I’ll stop eating them now 🤷‍♂️

[@thomasboese3793]

Sounds like a real-world build-up to the movie Dune...

[@steveburke7675]

Funny!....kinda like the "unplanned disassembly" of Starship on it's 2nd flight!

[@astr0jack440]

Laughed a bit too much for that one

[@TommyTippy598]

My chef friend told me they are a dirty bottom feeder fish and to never order them. Figures they will be on Mars.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Boeing still has far too many MBA's trying to save a penny costing millions per penny, not enough engineers designing and testing.

[@marktheaardvark7208]

Yes sir, it’s like I always tell my wife, She always tell me how much she saved on whatever overpriced purchase I tell her we’re going to reach a point where we can’t afford to save any more money

[@elwood6548]

Totally "not stuck" in space... right. Who wants to take the trip home in that death trap? Raise them hands!

[@4nc13nt]

3:07 imagine a pannel falls off during descent, that's something hard to recover from...

[@davidsusak6120]

Sounds like a massive CYA exercise.

[@matthews8374]

At least the door's still on it! I think...isn't it?

[@nekomakhea9440]

> building more LEO space stations Bruh it's been 24 God damn years, if we haven't figured out _How To Space_ in that amount of time, we're not going to. In that same amount of time, Old NASA went from copies of Nazi rockets that could barely get off the ground without exploding to putting men on the Moon. More LEO stations is a money pit taking up funding that could be used for things that haven't been done yet, like a permanent Lunar presence, more space telescopes like Chandra that everyone is freaking out about getting defunded, or more interplanetary sample return probes.

[@ZontarDow]

SpaceX being contracted to deorbit the ISS is about the worst insult they could add to that injury. It almost feels like they where hired specifically because of all options they where the most distasteful option.

[@larryo6874]

To bad Boeing didn’t solve all these problems before sending astronauts to the space station.

[@ssnydess6787]

My bet is that the thruster problem is related to the ancillary systems associated with the thruster monitoring/performance sensors and evaluation services. My guess is not that Douglas/Boeing is probably more concerned with the loss of government contract and vehicle is more important. I wish good old Boeing was still in charge.

[@masterchafer]

If it's Boeing you ain't going.

[@steve-gp1nc]

Maybe all this testing should have been done before it was launched.

[@fban3735]

Duh!

[@tech45]

Well- deserved comments , they must get their act together and if's too painful maybe Nappi should go :(

[@Chuck8541]

Considering SpaceX has been eating NASA's lunch for over a decade, it's highly appropriate SpaceX is the one to finally throw the ISS into the trash.

[@kenpitman]

A very informative video, thanks.

[@johnkeck]

Glad to hear a little edge to your report on Boeing. The aquaponics piece sounded like it was straight from the corporate press release though

[@e-bikefulltimecitytranspor3552]

Warning ! Will Robinson, Warning !. Boeing manufactured that space ship 😂

[@racing_mntage1584]

Needed a video from a trusted source to get upto speed and also enjoy😂, just read a few articles

[@Chuck8541]

When it dawns on you that the same company responsible for doors on planes flying off mid-flight, is the same company that's supposed to return people from space. 😳 **heavy breathing**

[@chris-nm8rz]

I hope they DOJ criminally charge them for this failure as well

[@tjlastname5192]

Even though I know they aren’t “stuck” I do hope it truly is safe for return though. Please crap on this company more. Maybe we can bully them into doing better.

[@marktodd1173]

NASA is like “starliner come down right now!” Starliner is like “no, not gonna yet!”

[@rippingbag]

Who’s the star of this show? Cause it’s not Osha or Mae. They are supporting characters of each other.

[@Chet-b1f]

Instead of spending millions to destroy ISS, couldn’t they put some ion engines on it, load it up with supplies for Mars exploration and send it to orbit Mars. Could come in handy for safe shelter if serious problems occur. Or the moon

[@lukasmakarios4998]

Starliner isn't "stuck." It's just not rated for human passengers now. They're still doing studies to see if they can salvage it, or if they have to dump it into the ocean. Of course, it will come loose from the ISS whenever they let it go. It's not "stuck" at all.

[@shu6037]

after chernobly incident, to assure people there is no fallout effect on northern turkey, a minister went live on tv drinking tea grown in that region saying see it is safe. airliner story kinda reminds me of that idk why.

[@adalberteinstin5137]

Sounds like a normal risk benefit evaluation. Additional tests vs. Crew.

[@stevemaricar4350]

This combination of ambitious space endeavors and innovative solutions hereafter presents a striking image of what the future might hold for both space travel and sustainable living, not just on Earth, but on other planets as well.

[@scottwilliams846]

I'll be honest, fish was not the animal that came to mind when I was wondering what the first livestock we take to Mars would be.

[@SlavTiger]

i hope skylab will have ameteur radio like the iss, that was an amazing feature for the world to be able to freely contact via cb radio

[@floydbertagnolli944]

HYDROPONICS: Q1. What do the fish eat? GROWING IN MATIAN SOIL Q2. What about the toxic perchlorates?

[@benyomovod6904]

The TITANIC did not sink until it did

[@PrometheusZandski]

You kind of jumped over the key parts of that closed loop system. In order for the fish to generate waste that is eaten by the plants, they need food, and water. There is exactly zero percent chance of humans transporting all the fish, water and food to Mars. It's also not proven that Earth plants can grow on Mars. Maybe once we have an established colony on Mars, with sufficient water and genetically engineered plants, this may be a good idea. Right now, it's not even an idea.

[@kmwong1786]

Duh ... oxygen and food supplies for 7 is now shared with 9 people. Oh well Matt Damon "survived" 546 days on Mars 😂

[@Skippernick1957]

Scrap it and send spacex to rescue the Boeing astronauts.

[@itzhaktzvishohat7490]

With reference to the aquaponics plan: What about the perchlorates in the Martian soil? Won't the fish, if they survive, and the plants be toxic for human consumption?

[@Tonyefrags]

Son: dad, how do i identify a Boeing craft?? Dad: when it crash and burns.....

[@DualDesertEagle]

I really hope spending a day or 2 aboard any of the future space stations is gonna become affordable withing my lifetime, I'd like to experience weightlessness for myself, and for longer than just a few seconds on a parabolic flight.

[@chrisgowland-gp2tr]

Are they trying to run out the 30 day used vehicle warranty!!!!!

[@GeneCAu]

Can’t nasa just call Elon already ?

[@ghost307]

NASA's ego won't allow it.

[@thomasboese3793]

@@ghost307 You mean Boeing's ego. NASA is just a third party in the mix of buyer/seller mix of the Commercial Crew Program.

[@ghost307]

@@thomasboese3793 But NASA wrote the contract. It's ultimately their call, not Boeing's.

[@realvanman1]

Pretty interesting episode. I wonder why there would be negative comments about Boeing? It’s not like they’ve been having any sort of trouble lately. All the modules that make up the ISS are of different age. Why do they all suddenly wear out in 2030? Couldn’t the clapped out ones be replaced with new- and hopefully better- ones as needed, so that the best use is made of all resources in orbit? Do the plants on Mars generate enough oxygen for the fish? Any left over for the humans? Or will it still be necessary to decompose the CO2 to get oxygen?

[@22nola]

I hope a series of catastrophic failures doesn’t impact Stich’s bonus. 🤔

[@xspager]

How you dispose of a capsule without any reaction control?

[@allenwc]

I think maybe you missed a point with fish. What do the fish eat? Where does the fish food come from initially? And every system is lossy in some way. The carbon cycle for example sequesters some carbon naturally.

[@portugalsud2924]

Captain Wo Li Fuk will save them.

[@kc10man]

I've been training for a tour on the ISS for years. With my vacuum cleaner.

[@Relkond]

Up is hard. Down is easy. Odds are, even with the failure, they can still get starliner down. With crew. Probably even living crew. Probably.

[@NN-hg4em]

What is the real problem with star(titanic)liner.? "boeing". What about the two guinea pigs stranded in the ESISS? (Extended Stay International Space Station? Saying their prayers Space X comes to their rescue I would venture to guess.

[@alexanderSydneyOz]

I am absolutely no Boeing basher, but it is surprising that 4 weeks later they are only now getting around to putting a thruster through the same operational cycle as those which failed, as a test.

[@stabilo3170]

I wander if they will return before Christmas 2024.

[@stevecam724]

So, that ship can attempt a return to earth but can't guarantee the thrusters to not shutdown during the reentry burn? That's like saying the plane will 100% not crash if it doesn't get airborne. Maybe NASA/Boeing should come clean and get a substitute ship up there to bring the crew home SAFELY and remotely return Stalledliner.

[@paulm749]

It sounds like Boeing management has finally realized that they can't afford any more high-profile failures, so they're investing the time and expense required to resolve the issues with Starliner _before_ their crew returns rather than after.

[@JosephKeenanisme]

Like the fish and hydroponics idea. Add some gene modified algae to get ride of the rest of the waste products while giving off some surplus O2. Moe fertilizer for the soil (dead algae or pellets for the fish) and a tiny bit of wear and tear on the CO2 scrubbers.

[@dmdrosselmeyer]

So, it must stay in space while they test thrusters on the ground that already partially failed in flight but are no longer needed? I fail to see why they can't come home while the tests on the ground are being run... unless the problem actually has to do with those reaction control system helium leaks and they can't maneuver the spacecraft for undocking and reentry

[@larrysandell6994]

Well , they get to spend Independence Day in space. Kool

[@alexgood1056]

Больше похоже на освоение денег. За 843 миллиона долларов можно было бы запустить 20 наполненных топливом грузовиков "прогресс", и вывести с их помощью мкс за орбиту луны для сохранения для потомков ,а так же для дефектовки и исследований деградации материалов самой станции. Надеюсь к 30 году мировая политика угомонится и Рф допустят к этому проекту.

[@haroldhenderson2824]

Mr. Napping, imagine takng a flight to someplace. With a short "layover" part way there. And being stuck there for 2 weeks, a month, longer? You can't just grab a Soyuz, you aren't trained to fly one! Now imagine getting irradiated during your "extended layover". Astronauts signed on, knowing the risks. How about you?

[@Oldman5261]

Conspicuously missing in your list of future space stations was Orbital Reef. Did I miss the news that this got canceled?