The ONLY Sith In Star Wars That Was IMPOSSIBLE to Ever Redeem

[@punishedvenomsnake716]

"There is no death, there is only the Force.... and I am its Master." This quote perfectly describes Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion. Dude wanted to be a god, was born with black eyes as a Sith pureblood and was so fearsome that even wild animals would avoid him before his powers manifested. He was borne of the Dark Side, even more than Palps. He would have never turned away from it.

[@discombobulatedecho6025]

Darth Sidious is irredeemable. He was said to be a void or shadow in the Force by those who seen him, and even from an early age he was thought to been devoid of empathy. Some would even go so far to say he *was* The Dark Side incarnate

[@lordofpain3476]

Sidious was the definition of a sociopath.

[@dragonofmordor]

Came here to say this.

[@serganteddy5]

That one of them.

[@DaG.O.A.T.]

Sidious, & Vitiate are the two sith that's unredeemable

[@chrismlone]

Sidious was just pure evil. The greatest Sith ever.

[@DeathScepter]

@@chrismlonethat is why he is so powerful given how purely evil he truly is. The more evil a force user is, the easier and more powerful the dark side they are.

[@evos469]

Heck even Vader

[@lordofpain3476]

Redemption is for the weak .

[@jonathanslye85]

And Darth Nox to be honest is player choice.

[@glasses685]

Shouldn't Sidious be considered irredeemable? Going by Legends, dude was a sociopath from the very start and isn't even capable of feelings such as love. I can't even imagine him ever being redeemed.

[@chadbrad8100]

yup

[@Goldstandard_1]

there was a chance he could have been a better person, he was destined to be Sith, yes, but Tenebrae was born evil and insanely intelligent and powerful, he conquered his home planet as a KID

[@MichaelB07]

Not irredeemable from the start but you should blame his family for it. Mostly his father. Those Naboo aristocratic families sure are something else... especially if you don't like your own children having petty Jedi talents.

[@kuzan421]

i dont think it really matters if he wasn't irredeemable from the start. hed still need to become a sith for the question at hand (which sith can be redeemed). changing his early life around to stop him from even becoming a sith defeats the purpose of the question

[@aster4jaden]

I love whenever you cover Tenebrae, he's so fascinating and as you said he was briefly able to have a family but in the end it was all for selfish reasons because he had plans to consume their Force Essence, so even when under the slight influence of Valkorion it wasn't enough to erode Tenebrae's desire for more power. Also I thought you was going to say Darth Nox, the Sith Inquisitor would never let themselves be redeemed.

[@overknightacention39]

"If the force birthed you, I curse it." -Cosinga Palpatine

[@punishedvenomsnake716]

"As I do." -Palpatine

[@MysticTroll]

The "Echoes of Oblivion" Boss fight against Vitiate /Valkorian/Tenebrae felt like an Avengers Endgame event, with every major figure coming in the battle: Revan, Meetra Surik, Lord Scourge, Arcann Thexan Senya and Vaylin, Satele Shan and Darth Marr etc. It was the sendoff I always dreamed of in SWTOR made reality.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

That should have been the endgame for Swtor. But sadly that’s not the case….

[@kevin-towler6091]

Sidious should also be considered in this conversation. Sidious had nothing but contempt for the light side.

[@luiscampos9295]

Now that is a true villain I like, so dark, so cruel, sinister, tyrannical and there is no turning back

[@EAWanderer]

So much easier to embrace the dark side than the light, the temptation for power as opposed to the restraints the light side brings 😅

[@ellie_vargr]

Ya know, if Disney ever pulls their heads out of their rears and starts adapting more content from Legends, Darth Vitiate could be a really solid option for a big bad in the post-Rise era. An ancient Sith Emperor, mostly forgotten to history, sealed away by the Jedi because they could not kill them, and finally escaping to find the Sith are all dead and gone, and the Jedi are all but extinct as well. Gobbles up the life essence of a planet to get his strength back, gets a few minions, and then it's off to Dromund Kaas, or maybe Zakuul, to begin his plans to take over a Galaxy that he believes is ripe for the taking.

[@linguini1517]

sidious should be considered unredeemable since he was born into the dark side like vitiate was tbh

[@kevin-2.1]

I do think Sidious and Vitiate are the main two sith that are unredeemable.

[@MichaelB07]

Sheev Palpatine could've had a better life had his father and family been nice to them. But it's a shame that being a member of the aristocracy and having a high place in society can corrupt even an ordinary and non-force using person.

[@jotheunissen9274]

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Vitiate the Irredeemable? I thought not, it's not a story the Jedi would tell

[@robertstrong6798]

Yeah no one is redeeming Palp he was a psycho from birth. And Plaguis really brought out the worst in him

[@SilasSmith-u2z]

Yes let’s go another Sith lore video love it always some of my favorite videos from you are Sith videos and this one does not disappoints a worthy addition in the Sith archives

[@darthtator3549]

Reven was a true sith, but also a true jedi ironic how he was one the best in both orders

[@darthrevanthedestroyer9003]

You’re absolutely right

[@darthtator3549]

@darthrevanthedestroyer9003 i still believe that reven was a true sith but not in a normal way, he had the drive but he wasnt quite as evil cause in his actual final moments you could tell reven knew the sith and the jedi were wrong

[@Gor85]

He was both. Iconic. I play kotor for xxx times. im in Star Forge,with Jolie and Carth

[@Rencol666]

Nihilus is a tragic figure. He didnt choose to be evil, to be irredeemable. It was forced upon him.

[@Pyro-et9vs]

New video idea: “how did the kyber crystal in the death star react (at all) to the destruction of Alderaan?” We know kyber crystals resonate with the force, and are living things, so surely it must have some kind of conscious.

[@psycake1310]

Darth Nihilus: someone who got the worst stroke of luck, became less than human, and grew into an abomination of the Force. Can't be redeemed because there's not enough of a man to reason with. Darth Vitiate: became fixated on ultimate power. Destroyed his home world, and sought to kill everyone to become a god. Can't be redeemed, because he feared that if he stopped, he would die, and lose all of the power he attained. Darth Sidious: manipulated and attempted to kill everyone who could have been a threat to his ascension as emperor to the galaxy. Can't be redeemed, because he is a man without compassion, empathy, or remorse. Sidious is unapologetic in nature, and sees himself above those who can touch the Force, the Jedi, and even the Force itself. I would like to draw emphasis upon Vitiate and Sidious specifically. They know what they're doing is cruel and sadistic, but they don't care for the suffering of others. They are aware of it, but their lust for power and unity (through domination) is what's used as justification for their actions. Palpatine in particular, showed no remorse for killing two people in a speeder accident when he was a young man. Vitiate (as Tenebrae) began using his power at a young age to torture people for his own amusement, again, without remorse. And a soul without the desire to cleanse itself is one that cannot be redeemed.

[@Abysslz]

Idk if it’s just those two, sidious I don’t believe would ever be able to come back either

[@MichaelB07]

Sidious actually had a chance, but only when he was VERY young. It was his father and his family who were crappy parents and caregivers who looked down upon him.

[@MichaelHarder-e6m]

The Sith always fascinating me from the Beginning and with this video I could dive deeper into my mind…

[@TheRealSithEmperor]

If Valkorian was still a flesh and blood dark side adept, then technically/theoretically it should be possible to purify him with the Wall of Light (I think that’s the name) ability and enough sufficiently powerful Jedi. If Valkorian could be purified, then since he was born his own person, Vitiate could be dispelled from him. Technically redeeming Valkorian 🤷🏼

[@shrapnelbmg6267]

I feel like there is a lot of Sith that were entirely unrepentant and irredeemable. There was no going back for Sidious, period. Darth Vitiate definitely wasn't ever gonna turn back to the light after consuming 8000 fellow Sith and the Force itself from an entire world. Darth Bane certainly never would turn to the light after his experience at Korriban. His apprentice Zannah had the opportunity to turn back and rejected it completely, driving her own cousin insane to frame him for the deaths of the Jedi strike team she and her master had just killed. Andeddu, Darzu, Momin, Exar Kun, Malgus, I mean I could go on. None of those characters were "redeemable."

[@alexfischer7876]

Also, *Darth Krayt.* After all that torture he endured thanks to Yuuzhan Vong, he decided to accept the Sith way. And over the course of further 100-something years of his life, he wasn't even considering redeeming himself.

[@OrangeHatReviews]

I have a question for you @The Stupendous Wave: How would you Redeem Darth Sidious? Might make an interesting video.

[@deimos7577]

I'd say like Revan. Wiping Palps memory might give him a new chance.

[@dawidschaffrath8426]

@@deimos7577If palps after that recovered his memories and changed his way then yeah but without his memories he would be like a entirely new person

[@OrangeHatReviews]

@@deimos7577 Plagueis once said that he would have been wasted in the Jedi Order, Palpatine was born with an instinctual tie to the Dark Side. How does one redeem a person who was practically born to the Dark Side from birth?

[@NYCBigJoe621]

Peace is a lie...

[@KakuzuTBD]

Love your promotion of the MERCH store. Happy to hear you promoting it more in each video. Def going to buy something due to your efforts. Stay Stupendous!! Thank you for all you do.

[@TheStupendousWave]

That is so very kind of you!

[@alexanderfigueroa]

Can you do a video compilation, about every Sith lord who was redeemed in the end? Along with Sith lords that were mostly good people, by the end of their lives?

[@OrangedinoTrexBundle]

What was the Complex Lightsaber styles of General Grievous?

[@chandansimms9167]

Malgus killed his lover after she was abducted by a Jedi due too the fact she was a weakness and truly cared for her but recognising the fact she weakened and limited him.

[@MrSparda1989]

How was Sidious not even mentioned!?

[@teuton215]

Great work as usual. How are the beliefs of darth krayt and his sith different from those the the sith before

[@Kaminasethna]

May the Force be with you

[@darthsidius9631]

It's extremely disturbing that valkorian and vitiates psyches mix up and make an unique psyche

[@theseekerofancienttruth3873]

There are Actually More than just the Two, among them Being: Sidious, Vitiate, Darth Nihilus, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Darth Drear, Darth Scabrous,

[@DefileOdds]

There's a word for someone who has done so many unforgivable things that no matter what they do they can never be redeemed, a Reprobate.

[@treyj5308]

Stupendous please do a SWTOR timeline lore video on the different class stories to help bring more awareness to the game!

[@LadyAndreaRose1701]

Good soldiers watch early

[@zackfolkestad8746]

Worthless soldiers announce when they show up.

[@LadyAndreaRose1701]

@zackfolkestad8746 that sounds like mutiny, trooper

[@cheekibreeki904]

rp cringe

[@LadyAndreaRose1701]

@cheekibreeki904 you must be fun at parties 🙄

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

I had to get some sleep, but now I'm here🫡 Seems like there's some bitterness here today

[@johnwebb4499]

I pledge myself to your teachings.

[@Gor85]

I think Sith are generally unredeemable. This is very interesting. We will be careful of dark side.May the Force be with you too😊

[@ThePandarandaman]

You've quickly become my comfort KZbinr. I genuinely appreciate your consistent uploads. 💜🖤

[@TheStupendousWave]

I'm so glad!

[@Kaminasethna]

Same, I binge these videos to ease my ADHD and anxiety disorder And also because I’m a huge Star Wars nerd

[@chadpeterson5698]

Palpatine should’ve taken Nihilus’s spot since Nihilus himself isn’t really evil by choice. If he had a choice, he might have been redeemable. Palpatine though was 100% evil to the core by choice

[@kaidorade1317]

Good Sith watch early

[@shrek2342]

Epic video

[@TheCollector73]

What about Darth Sidious?

[@chadbrad8100]

yup

[@jacksonbrummett2074]

I would also say sidious and plagueis were also unredeamable

[@chadbrad8100]

Valkorian also

[@nosfrattirek5690]

What about Vaylin? She wasn't born a monster and towards the end she was clearly more insane than purely evil, but I don't think she was redeemable at any point after Nathema.

[@LordWyatt]

I’d add Sidious to the list of irredeemable sith

[@djnavarro3212]

Darth Nihilus and Darth Vitiate are the only two Sith Lords I feel like could not be redeemed out of all the ancient Sith Lords

[@Fettman87]

I would definitely add Palpatine! He was a complete psychopath from birth! Imo he didn't have the capability to see he was wrong.

[@robertagu5533]

Problem with Yoda's beleif that "ONCE you start redemption IS impossible...." Is that it means NO ONE IS saveable.... An YET then there's NO answer then for hardcore Sith we KNOW WAS Sith .. an then defected an switched sides.... Ask Yoda an his Order to explain THAT one ... Another way they was WRONG about Anakin too, an that whole Chosen One Prophecy thing... Since both Sith died an Anakin came back... From a certain point of view.... Find it hard to believe someone like Vitiate or Sideous COULD ever become REDEEMED unless they did that odd thing Revan experienced where he LITERALLY split into a physical "Good Twin, BAD Twin" an went they separate ways... ALSO Literally... Like they was literally born as Twins an not 2 halfs of 1 person. Thing is in some reality where this happened to said Sith WOULD a Good Vitiate and/or a Sideous be JUST as powerful their classic Evil selves

[@cjposey1010]

Sidious, bane, and malgus, there’s no way they could ever be redeemed

[@sitharisidious-si6nh]

Nihilus, Vitiate, Sion, Vader but not Sidious? The Insidious Emperor of the Sith? The First Sith Lord to Conquer the Entire Galaxy? the man who has no Remorse, No Empathy, whose joy only resides in other people's pain and the main example of that is within his prime Apprentice and kind of Son Darth Vader

[@Valkyraw]

Sidious: "I do not wish to rule over a galaxy of the dead" Meanwhile Vitiate: "These petty conflicts mean nothing. The concerns of this galaxy are meaningless. Once I ascend, all will be tranquil in this galaxy" "I will not be contained. I cannot be redeemed. Death is all that remains, and you will not kill me. […] I will not be your trophy. If I must die, I choose how-and everything dies with me."

[@jasonthomas4589]

On one has actually controlled the entire galaxy. After ep6 the pubs and imps had to hold back the lizard species. Empire didn't control the rishi maze area or zakuul, just to name a few.

[@sitharisidious-si6nh]

@@jasonthomas4589 Zakuul is in wild space, Rishi maze had no strategic importance to the Imperial campaigns in the outer rim, as for the Yuuzhan Vong, what do you think the Death Stars were for? Terrorizing a couple of backwater planets? Or did the Order of Sith Lords keep an open mind for extra Galactic threats?

[@sitharisidious-si6nh]

@@Valkyraw there's Evil and there's insanity, Vitiate imposed himself through cheer strength that was eventually countered by everybody, not to mention he failed to defeat the Jedi even with the Wars exhausting them, Sidious worked silently, had regular meetings WITH the Jedi HIGH council, Order 66 was 99% success, and he became Legally, well kind of legally Emperor of the Galactic Empire and not just wild space or Sith Space

[@gyreezus]

Sidious was my first thought when I saw this video

[@theforcedragon3781]

Palpatine was literally the living embodiment of evil in a mortal form. Perhaps He was created By the father of shadows himself. Or he was a over correction of the force trying to restore balance. Both ways Palpatine imposed his will on the force in a way that was shown as a true threat. Not only was Anakin and the Twins Created To stop him but He survived it and it took a Dyad and all the Jedi of the past to finally put him down for good.

[@rachelurquhart9210]

Still waiting for the Tulak Hord. Great vid tho

[@SpaceSentaiHero]

Interesting! If Vitiate and Nihilus are the only two sith who are completely irredeemable then how could Malak, Malgus, Bane, Palpatine, Momon and other sith who have embraced the dark side completely have found paths to redemption despite all of their countless atrocities, lack of redeeming qualities and complete loss of sympathy?

[@alanh444]

Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd are the two I doubt could be redeemed.

[@Sidious123]

And sidious😢

[@Nedzilla345]

If Ruin was Cannon he would be worse than Vitiate and Sidious.

[@bjamez007]

Sidious is pure evil. Look at his record. He is also unable to be redeemed. I thought it was going to be Vitiate and Sidious but I also agree on Nihilus.

[@luiscampos9295]

What about the dread masters and sith artifacts ?,they're pure evil

[@dannycalloway4360]

The Iron Throne Of Star Wars.

[@averystewart3117]

Pleagius, exar kun, malak

[@kingshadow8782]

Nice!

[@jockpackage1770]

Yes but, after a certain point, we have to question it. They may be redeemable but do they deserve it? Many humans in our history have done horrible things that are passed the point of redemption and many Sith would look at the actions of those people and go: "so what? Genoside is just a Tuesday." Most of the worst people alive may make at as apprentices, for more successful Sith empires and that's about it. "What, there's still life on that planet? You have failed me" proceeds to kill with force lightning. Reven and Malek are kind of cheating, they did not turn willingly. They were made that way by a much more powerful dark lord that they were hunting. Bastila was also basically a newbie, turned bat to the like basically as she turned to the dark side, she wasn't even serving the dark for a year. Arguably, with the memory erasure, she was more evil as a Jedi. With Sion, that's out of necessity. You could not kill him so you had to sever his connection to the dark side for the greater good. It is not a question of him deserving it at all, merely practicality.

[@kingshadow8782]

Cool.

[@danielmarkle9000]

I’m only a few seconds in and I already know who. Darth situs and Darth Visieit. Aka Palps and the immortal emperor. Those 2 are the only 2 who were ever to far gone

[@StefanWinchester]

Sidious and vitiate are too evil for even the sith

[@bobbyknight3589]

Vitiate and sidious are definition 2 that are un redeemable.

[@draconian6692]

😂 irrideemable? More like purified🎉

[@stealthynaxo]

Is it me? I bet its me.

[@Abysslz]

It might be just opinion but I believe sidious should be one of them and post even Vader, Vader and anakin are two different beings in one body, as much as people don’t want to believe it, Vader is the embodiment of the dark side and is redeemable, what killed him was anakin and Luke, though maybe I’m just reaching but I still believe sidious is probably the most unredeemable

[@theroundone4943]

The WHOLE point of Anakin's story is that Vader IS Anakin and Anakin is Vader. The "two separate people" thing was a way for Vader to try to distance himself from all his shame and guilt but the whole point was he was never able to let go of who he really was which was Anakin.

[@ianjohnson7761]

Are you sure it shouldn’t b t’ree Sith Lords that r completely irredeemable. I personally think that Darth Nihilus has some redeemable traits as his origins were a series of unfortunate tragedies and he is also just a cool character. He was also, unlike Vitiate, not born evil. It goes without saying Vitiate was pretty born a demon. But, we should not exclude Palpatine. Darth Sidious himself, is actually more evil than Nihilus, who kinda seems to perform evil acts for his survival. Ergo, the Lord of Hunger can’t really afford the act of redemption. Unless he starves himself to death. Sidious however, is basically the Eric Clapton of Most Evil Sith, while Vitiate is the Jimi Hendrix.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Why we have so much art of Atris fighting Nihilus and Sion when she never does it in the game

[@TheStupendousWave]

Iv'e asked myself that very same question, friend.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

@TheStupendousWave can you make a versus video of what those fights would be like

[@martincamacho2444]

Vitiate sounds like Voldemort in Harry Potter who splits his soul and gets progressively worse and more insane more evil

[@dragonturtle2703]

Is Palpatine not on that list as well? Or that first Sith king?

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

What about Palpatine?

[@CHARLIEBrownz]

What if the Mortis Son trained Darth Sideus and Darth Vitiate ?

[@TheStupendousWave]

I would actually think it the other way around, Vitiate and Sidious had KNOWLEDGE!

[@CHARLIEBrownz]

@ so they trained the Son!

[@ArmandoMartinez-k7h]

I'm here.😅

[@Harry-Murphy]

Marco ragnas was not being ever redem

[@Harry-Murphy]

Marko ragnus sith that ruled unchanging for hundreds of years when sith were known for infighting he even appeared at his own funeral

[@Ni-qc6yq]

Palpatine did nothing wrong.

[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@metaldrummer14]

The Jedi are weak. The Sith are strong.🤘💀🔥

[@MichaelHarder-e6m]

True. As a Person using the Sith Code in All Day live I can say only Yes

[@Grimoirepageturner]

Yet another video that by its title says that Yoda was wrong! I took one thing from all 6 Star Wars to truly be a Jedi Master and not fall to the Darkside, you have to admit, you don't know everything.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 700 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@kingshadow8782]

😮

[@NikkiTaLance]

Star Wars is dead.