Why Yoda Feared Qui-Gon’s Philosophy would Destroy the Jedi Order

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[@windows98alpha35]

Imagine a Jedi that follows both cosmic and living and lives in true perfect harmony with the force. Oh yeah, LUKE!

[@Intrepid_Explorer]

Disney: Who's Luke?

[@Eric6761]

I thought qui Gon but yes, him too

[@caylya7869]

@@Eric6761I think he might’ve been the first.

[@ForGlory]

Regardless of there being no actual real world Force, even if New Age or Eastern Religions weren't decoying people or making their capacity to find anything resembling "balance" a hopeless conundrum, there's very nearly no one in 2024 capable of achieving anything like it. 15/8,025,000,000 is VERY nearly no one! 99% of people are so corrupt they would rather support the perversion whereby marriage and gender were "redefined" and "go along to get along" than to stand up and Fight for Principle. So, for 99% of all living people, achieving anything approximating has been taken right off the table and is almost certainly never going to become possible again. I mean, speaking of Jedi and ideals...

[@anthonycobbett2899]

Yoda's fear of anyone who doesn't conform to his warped belief system screwed him terribly.

[@maksymilianziele28]

Luke's beliefs also screwed him horribly - birth of Darth Caedus happened because of his attachment to his daughter. He saw the future where she becomes evil and he wants to stop it. Understable. What the guy does to stop it? becomes a Sith Apprentice to Luke's old enemy, starting with killing Jedi who begged him to stop to remove witnesses, wants to take over the galaxy causes another galactic war kills one family member and tries to kill others, even his own parents tries to corrupt another family member uses one Jedi's attachment for his dead brother to make her join him to see more, go to TV TROPES Legacy of the Force Fridge

[@madhatter1057]

Yodas beliefs were not even remotely warped. People just think with their feelings not logic and have the depth of a teaspoon

[@ExtremeFighter]

Through Victory, My chains are Broken

[@joshtheskywalker]

@@madhatter1057 Yoda admits to Qui Gon's spirit in the Revenge of The Sith novel that he was wrong, and was wrong to conform the Jedi to how he learned to be a Jedi. Yoda even calls Qui-Gon the superior Jedi to himself in the same novel.

[@madhatter1057]

​@@joshtheskywalker Yea go ahead explain how that makes his views on the Force warped? Oh right leadership style has literally NOTHING to do with their view on the Force. And even if his view was not the best one it doesn't make it warped. Get a dictionary and get back to me when you understand basic definition of words.

[@Specimin6]

For everyone questioning Yoda, here's some fun context to consider. 1) Yoda's species were incredibly long lived, meaning he kept getting more and more set in his ways a views. 2) Dooku mentioned Yoda becoming corrupt, which Yoda did, just not evil as we consider. He spent centuries on the High Council, and much of that time also as Grandmaster, which leads to point 3. 3) Yoda as Grandmaster was venerated and respected for his wisdom, wisdom of centuries that was rightfully looked to. But that also meant few of any ever challenged him. Yoda himself recognized the Jedi's downfall was primarily his own fault because of how he had ran things

[@Wolfaydragoon]

Yeah, that’s true. Yoda definitely acknowledged his faults and by the end was about as wise as he could be. It was simply when he was on a pedestal, it was hard to see the darkness underneath you when looking to the horizon.

[@70foolio]

Yup 👍🏽

[@GGBlaster]

Yeah. I like this take. It’s not that Yoda was a fool, nor was he evil. He had many virtues, but he also had key flaws.

[@jadenkorr32]

I’ve always thought Qui Gon’s trust and skill in following the Force to go where it led him was arguably the biggest threat to Palpatine’s machinations. This knack for showing up in the right place, at the right time, was something that Luke seemed to be a master of in the EU.

[@maksymilianziele28]

Luke's beliefs also screwed him horribly - birth of Darth Caedus happened because of his attachment to his daughter. He saw the future where she becomes evil and he wants to stop it. Understable. What the guy does to stop it? becomes a Sith Apprentice to Luke's old enemy, starting with killing Jedi who begged him to stop to remove witnesses, wants to take over the galaxy causes another galactic war kills one family member and tries to kill others, even his own parents tries to corrupt another family member uses one Jedi's attachment for his dead brother to make her join him to see more, go to TV TROPES Legacy of the Force Fridge

[@madhatter1057]

@@maksymilianziele28 Maybe write out your point in something that resembles a coherent thought. Lukes beliefs did not screw him up. Nor did they screw up Darth Caedus. Luke never said attachment had no risk. Jacen was just a moron that took it too far. That is not on Luke nor his teachings.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

I almost find it poetic on how these two powerful Jedi Masters have different view points on the Force itself yet it is Qui-gon’s point of view that is correct path that one must embrace changes of the cosmos and focus on the now rather than the future. While Yoda, at times, chooses to always look to the future and the cosmic outlook of the force instead of changing the view of the Jedi. This is why Sidious said one must embrace the larger view of the force and not the boring dogma of the Jedi which had aloud the corruption to happen under their watch.

[@chrismlone]

I love that Yoda finally accepted that Qui-gon was right all along, and even became his padawan. Even if it was too late. Qui-gon was the closest we've seen to the perfect Jedi I'd say.

[@TrueGraveHeart]

I'm at the point where if Yoda feared it, it's 75%, of the time, the correct course of action

[@definiteg4909]

From my perspective, the cosmic force is like the energy that makes lots of dynamic changes and has lots of ebs and flows as it moves through Jedi and Sith alike making it very unpredictable and vast so anyone who looks upon it will be uncovering all kinds of secrets and uniqueness about the world at heart. The living force is the being that communicates directly with each Jedi and Sith to draw closer or repel each and every individual it comes in contact with. It makes its presents known to all force users to guide them to whatever they want and need and to help them achieve balance within themselves. The cosmic force is the power and the energy while the living force is the "person" itself. The living force uses the cosmic force to do it's will but the living needs the power of the cosmic to get things done. It's like Yoda focused on the creation and Qui-Gon focused on the creator. There is wisdom in both sides but in a way sacrilegious to pick one side over the other. The cosmic force will give you an abundance of knowledge and insight but the living force will teach you how to use it. I don't think Qui-Gon disregarded the cosmic force even though he sided more with the living force but Yoda over the years DID disregard the living force to only deal with the abundance of the cosmic force for his own bureaucratic reasons. That's why in my opinion Yoda failed the Jedi Order. It's surprising how he lived through the Golden age of the Jedi but still ended up over the years diminishing and forgetting what made the High Republic the best time to be a Jedi. This is just my take on this.

[@sethrunyon7218]

It's always great to see content that shows that Yoda was not perfect.

[@angelguardianpeace-lf6fl]

This is why i think Qui Gon is wiser than we give him credit. Yoda says be mindful of the future. Qui Gon said be present. None of us truly know our end besides death. Where will we be buried what will claim our life or when it will. Yoda's scope 900 years old death would be an old friend to come to claim another friend. If you apply Qui Gons teachings you relax and become fare less anxious knowing the future is always in motion your actions are you own. If you listen to yoda your actions mean not.

[@jeffreyherndon5259]

And yet despite their differences it was Qui gon’s robe that Yoda covered himself with on Dagobah

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Comforted by the voice of his "grandson".

[@kevinmossate]

Isn't it crazy that yoda, with centuries of accumulated knowledge, had such limited concept of the force? While us, barely living to 100 yo, managed to create and understand some quite complex philosophical concepts...

[@AdultSupervision.]

Yeah kind of bad

[@Hyperslayer_X]

I disagree. Most humans have proven time and time again that they don’t understand these complex philosophical concepts, and this has even caused some horrible atrocities in history.

[@Eric6761]

I mean there's people in the world that believe they know everything and don't want to change to other ways even those confirmed to be better because tradition or even plain old refusal, Yoda thought that the status quo is enough and was working so he didn't strived for change or anything

[@kevinmossate]

@@Eric6761 One would expect that with that much time meditating, the Force would give him some hints or something... For a society that mastered faster-than-light travel, they are quite limited in other areas... Buuut that is wishful thinking. I mean, look at us now, dabbling with quantum states and yet fighting over if everyone should have acess to healthcare or if my imaginary entity is better than yours...

[@Eric6761]

@@kevinmossate Pretty much yes, Yoda is basically the epicenter of not going with the times

[@doomsdaySephiroth]

Except Qui-Gon's philosophy would've saved the Jedi Order, and it would've allowed the Jedi to focus on the Force as a whole.

[@travisstatik2573]

Ironically , It is Yoda inflexiabiity and Jedi's Philophsy that lead to the destruction of the Jedi Order..Not Qui Gon.. so in a sense Taking out Qui Gon sealed the Jedi's fate

[@MiixedHistory]

That’s why the music for the fight between Maul, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is called Duel of the Fates💯🔥

[@travisstatik2573]

@MiixedHistory I didn't know that !🤯

[@gregharn1]

I like to think there was a cosmic shift the Jedi felt at the moment of Qui-gon's death. Not unlike the cosmic shift Sidious felt after killing his master.

[@alicevoidspeaker2100]

What this video taught me. Yoda and Qui-gon should have been co-Grandmasters.

[@chiefwiggi]

Hey Wave. Excellent video. How about a video about the Darklighter family next? In my opinion they are Underrated

[@alexandermccabe556]

yodas speech to luke on dagobah always makes me tear up its the moment star wars became more than just a movie to me

[@capricornyearofthetiger]

The best Jedi and the best Sith are one and the same person...Dooku.

[@johnpittsii7524]

Funny how under Yoda the Jedi got destroyed

[@LaraA55]

I love this discussion on the spirituality of the living and cosmic Force, as it can be applied to real life as well. The Force is indeed fascinating.

[@yepodolopoldo2786]

The living force as you explain it here is incredibly similar to every instance of the dark sides tendency to "whisper" and tempt people into being opportunistic, conniving and violent. I am willing to say that Sidious, maybe more so than any other dark sider, also listens to the inclinations of the living force except that it's message is twisted by his own greed and inner darkness and THAT is what the difference is for a Sith and a Jedi like Qui Gon. I can only imagine how many times Qui Gon was told "STRIKE HIM DOWN" by the living force, in a rough moment, and I admire how many times we can know that qui gon found a better way. I would argue that this similarity between Sidious and Qui Gon in how they relate to the force, is precisely why Sidious said Qui Gon was so incredibly dangerous to the Sith grandplan and why he had Qui Gon killed. Also, I sincerely believe that Anakin also followed the will of the living force, but that the demands of the clone wars made it impossible for him to resist the darker whispers of that aspect of the force. Truly THE jedi of all Jedi.

[@LadyAndreaRose1701]

Good soldiers watch early, bad soldiers are buzz kills

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡

[@ChrisGrogu]

Absolutely ❤

[@cheekibreeki904]

the pinnacle of creativity and originality right there

[@deimos7577]

I killed a Buzz lightyear and I'm late 😅

[@AncestorEmpire1]

The clone wars: the most over rated conflict. Exar Kun’s war and it’s aftermath is what destroyed the Jedi and The Republic in the long run

[@Wolfaydragoon]

To be fair, if we’re going that far back, it was the original dark Jedi that taught the sith that started it all.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

And yet after consulting with Qui-Gon's ghost, Yoda would come to preach "Gone is the past. Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be"

[@AltinatorX]

I know, for sure, that if I was a Jedi in the same era as the Chosen One and even around the same age, the Jedi I would see as wise teachers and role models are Masters Qui-Gon and Dooku. My personal beliefs right now align with the philosophy of the Living Force, but I take it a step further and see the Living Force as an Omnipotent entity, like a god outside of the Star Wars Universe. The Living Force has a Will and it is our responsibility as servants of the Force to submit and embrace its Will. As a Jedi Knight, I would be a Consular with the job specialization of a Seer because of my close relationship with the Living Force. Such a strong relationship and commitment to submit to the Will of the Living Force allows me to see vivid visions, signs, and dreams that even the Masters of the Council have trouble understanding. I would see Masters like Dooku and Qui-Gon as true messengers of the Living Force as well as Ahsoka Tano and Barriss Offee because of the influence by the Chosen One for Ahsoka and high spirituality for Barriss. I also see Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One, as the final messenger of the Living Force as he is the embodiment of the Living Force due to him being conceived by the Midi-Chlorians. I would see a vivid and clear vision of Order 66 before the Clone Wars begins and the Living Force would compel me to remain silent because the Council is neither ready nor worthy to hear such visions as they would deem them as heresy. I would see events leading up to Order 66 as signs to the inevitable, such as Anakin reluctantly given a seat on the Council but denied the rank of Master. I don’t rebel against the Force regarding these matters because I fully trust in its greater wisdom and clairvoyance. Before Order 66 is executed, I escape the Jedi Temple and become a refugee to avoid the Great Jedi Purge. I wonder if this would be an amazing fan fiction I could write about based on my passion and understanding of Star Wars. I hope to hear all of y’all’s thoughts, comments, etc. If I hear from The Stupendous Wave and his thoughts, I would be very honored.

[@Vasun05]

It's funny how the Jedi in power feared so much. Fear is the path to the Dark Side

[@GGBlaster]

Adaptable vs calculated. Neither are inherently superior or inferior, but perhaps they both need each other to survive in the Galaxy far far away

[@DesertGuy702]

Well that one kid he demanded be trained that Yoda did not want to be trained ended up murdering most Jedi so…

[@animeman8203]

That's because the Jedi screwed it up. From the moment Anakin arrived to Episode 3 he wasn't really trusted and felt the scorn of others for 13 years and they had practically burned every bridge between the Jedi and Anakin.

[@katiepersons6575]

Qui Gon's death itself may have been the will of the Force in that had he lived he may have salvaged the Jedi Order by training Anakin. But the Force did not want an tired Jedi Order that smartened up just enough to dodge a bullet and limp onwards. It wanted the elimination of both the old guard Jedi Order and the Sith and nudged for the outcome that would deliver that outcome.

[@tetrasphere8165]

Team qui gon

[@geoffreyivins5094]

I would love a what if video about what if Qui Gon was Grand Master instead of Yoda?

[@94462]

Yoda secretly happy Darth Mail killed Qui-Gon Jinn lol 😂

[@aster4jaden]

It's interesting, Jedi reject any notion or interpretation other than their own when it comes to The Force and tend to label any other Force Sensitive Organization's as Dark Side. They claim the Sith as being fanatic, yet they themselves aren't really that much different, andit's no wonder the Sith are constantly born from them.

[@martincamacho2444]

Considering what actually happened it’s qui-gon philosophy that saved the Jedi while Yoda philosophy, doomed the Jedi and the republic

[@youngandalf]

Qui Gon is the 🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@marvinjoseph.8337]

hmmmm..i am partial to the living force , though my nature borders on the cosmic force , ......may the force be with you

[@filidhdeklend893]

" Why Yoda Feared Qui-Gon’s Philosophy would Destroy the Jedi Order " How ironic

[@gregharn1]

Yoda knew it would reshape the Jedi & he'd gotten too comfortable in his old age (assuming we equate his 8-9 centuries to our 8-9 decades). If he'd spent a little more time meditating on the really important stuff, he might've just had shatterpoint-esque breakthrough in understanding that would've allowed the Jedi to defeat Sidious. Still probably would've led to the reformation of a Jedi Order in a Republic more like what Luke created in the GA - more separated politically. Now that I think of it, also more like the Order prior to the Ruusan Reformation.

[@ChrisGrogu]

Let’s goooooooo!!!!!!!!!❤ Yes, this was super deep 🙏🏻

[@johnnyagregaard5873]

Both of course

[@UltimateSpider1385]

Qui Gon's philosophy would've reforged the Jedi Order instead of destroying it because the Jedi will prove their prowess as keepers of the peace instead of being clouded by Politics in the Senate.

[@jorndebello7317]

This makes it feel like the jedi use the cosmic force too much tell they need to be destroyed just to use the living tell they use it too much and need to be destroyed imo

[@OrangeHatReviews]

And look at who turned out to be more right in the end...lol. Qui Gon was greater due to the fact that he didn't follow blindly. To do so is sychophancy.sycophants. I believe if he lived during the clone wars, he would have uncovered Sidious sooner than Yoda.

[@OrangedinoTrexBundle]

What was the Complex Lightsaber style of General Grievous?

[@Eric6761]

Grievous didn't had an go to lightsaber form, he had knowledge of the 7 forms literally downloaded into his brain so he choose forms to overwhelm the opponent in specific

[@cameronreeves481]

Why dod Qui Gon have to die? I'm not trying to say that Yoda deserved to die, but Yoda and Obi Wan BOTH, had huge, roles to play, in the turning of Anakin, and the fall of the Jedi. Qui Gon had the right idea from the very start, and was punished for it.

[@KolossusB]

Yet it was actually Yoda's philosophy that did the order in. "Ironic" - Palpatine.

[@mjayfreeable]

Both sides of the force

[@rogerbrownreacts8528]

Yoda should have looked in a tiny mirror.

[@Psycho-go5yr]

I am highly individualistic. I can't stand the idea of destiny. I would not only reject the universal force, but I'd likely actively resist it. I value personal choice and freedom and am not very convinced by the idea of a greater good. I likely would not be able to be a jedi, period. However... that being said, I also couldn't be a sith. I have a strong moral compass and am extremely distrustful of power. I'd end up being an independent force user, in all likelihood.

[@kaidorade1317]

Because Yoda was an idiot

[@Misteri0123]

Hello

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

Destroy it and become even better good things lead the bad things leading to more good things and that's what Qui-Gon Jinn. would have wanted he was the best Jedi he will surely more powerful. Than any of them combined. and he's Irreplaceable

[@Starline9212]

Who's more powerful, prime vitiate or Prime Legends luke skywalker?

[@Kanooky_Jones]

Or Optimus Prime?

[@SHARKVADERS]

OUTRAGEOUS THIS IS

[@razetelligence]

The true villains were Sidious and YODA!! Change my mind lol

[@robertagu5533]

Yeah.... feared change and that all important an critical ability to be flexible AND Adapt.... Way too steeped in corruption, dogma an traditions... To the point the Force said "know what let the Jedi do it ONE MORE TIME, see what happens..." An they did, as driven by him an his... An he spent HOW MANY years alone regretting an kicking himself, or maybe whacking himself with that signature stick he got being so small an all, bout that one???

[@lordofpain3476]

Yoda feared that Qui-Gon would destroy the jedi ? That's hilarious , because Yoda is the one that eventually destroyed them.

[@partymcfly5549]

Yoda (derogatory)

[@turtleguy2121]

How are you the wisest and dumbest Jedi of your era at the same time?

[@kingshadow8782]

Hey.

[@ghostface4404]

yeah, well...

[@knowledgeseeker4614]

Yoda’s failure helped lead to the downfall of the order.

[@jaythor70]

The Jedi Order had become a religion, much as real world religions like Catholicism. They have rules and regulations, restrictions and things not allowed, that were created not by the Force (God) but by the jedi council (human priests) in an effort to control, instead of following the lead of the Divine. Qui-Gon was more Christ-like in denouncing the religious leaders as blind hypocrites in an effort to follow the Force itself. He was just less direct than Jesus, whose mission was a) real and b)time sensitive.

[@SilasSmith-u2z]

Let’s go I’m in the first five comments that’s awesome and also great video Stupendous your Gui Gon videos are so interesting in my opinion and his philosophy is so interesting and always love learning more about him

[@Hebrew_hammer52]

Hello Ethan. I love you Ethan. My name is Ethan. I’m the Ethan you may have seen many times sending super chats on Stupendous Theory. Ok goodbye.

[@brandonmunsen6035]

Jewish

[@themydnighthour]

Yoda was just as dogmatic as any Sith.

[@ronniecorbett6306]

Yoda made many, many mistakes.

[@cigneyg3637]

yoda was a bad leader lets just admit that

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 700 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@kingshadow8782]

D