Synology VS FreeNAS / TrueNAS 2020

[@JBoy340a]

We are using Synology and are pretty happy with it. We only use it for file serving and backups for windows and Mac systems. It just works and meets our business needs with minimum attention.

[@polarproductions1975]

The team at Lawrence Systems are the best! amazing customer service and support! This video helped me ton, but the team helped me put together the final pieces!

[@josevoyager7385]

Today I have deployed my first FreeNAS system. I did it for a client and used a rack-mount server. It was a fun little project.

[@slagish10]

Thanks for your videos. Definitely helped me choose the right product for me. We ended up with synology for their hybrid feature. Having different drive sizes is huge for most users. Especially when it comes to upgrading drives.

[@winandd8649]

I like to tinker with computers etc, but when it comes to keep my important data safe, I'm glad I'm still using a 12 year old QNAP NAS. (with double gigabit LAN connection, and still 2 mirrored 2TB drives is enough storage for me..) Works for 12 years now without a single hick-up, and the beauty of it all is that it still gets frequent updates of the OS and security updates! It just works 😊

[@rodrigoroaduterte9415]

I have both systems in my inventory. Synology - everything is working out of the box. FreeNAS - required “shaman” dances to make active directory integration to work properly (TrueNAS AD integration does not work at all, so I had to fall back to FreeNAS); required “shaman” dances to make integrated NextCloud to use HTTPS instead of HTTP; NextCloud Windows Client creates nonfunctional icons on the desktop that you cannot remove.

[@peanlim3474]

@Rodrigo Roa Duterte and others; here in April 2022, i am trying to understand to what extent "Active Directory Integration" issues impact "Windows File Sharing". Is a TrueNAS Core device (am considering the TrueNAS Mini E) that is a member workstation (in a simple Windows Server 2019 Active Directory domain) able to provide Windows File Sharing seamlessly? What issues if any are there in this context? Thanks for any feedback.

[@raight4552]

in a nutshell , i would like to have an synology rack without an os so i can istall something like windows server on it tbh

[@rodrigoroaduterte9415]

@@peanlim3474, in theory those do work, but only when you try to do something primitive and basic. When I needed to implement structured ACL to folders and files I was forced to do it on a Windows server. Windows domain Active Directory integration reminds me a declaration of good intents so far. If you need anything granular, complicated AND FUNCTIONAL you return to Windows.

[@peanlim7273]

@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 Good to know, thanks. Can't say I was surprised by your experience. Does your Synology behave any better in this regard?

[@bikerchrisukk]

Great video Tom. I only chose the FreeNAS path because after experience, I have 'what ifs' in the back of my mind. With FreeNAS if any hardware fails, I can replace them with ease and carry on as if nothing happened. I have to admit, having spare hardware that was perfect for FreeNAS, meant it was economic sense to use what I had. FreeNAS is a time sponge if you don't have network/server experience, but my data has both financial and personal value, so I thought it should be handled by something better than Windows. I'm fairly confident that any non-Microsoft OS could have done the job just as well.

[@lennyaltamura2009]

Synology runs on Linux, not Windows. I understand your concern about Windows Stability. Although, I have an hpDL380 gen 5 running Windows 2008r2. It hasn't failed me yet (12 years strong). I use Neural nets & NGFW to keep it safe and make up for its EOL status.

[@bikerchrisukk]

@@lennyaltamura2009 Sorry Lenny, I should have mentioned that I was referring to the Windows I've been using, no relation/reference was being made to the Synology OS or device. I've only used the Pro version of XP, 2000, Windows 7/10 and not the server version, mainly because the machines in the past have doubled as workstations (something I'm moving away from).

[@gertjanvandenbroek1620]

I'm really glad you mentioned that this was for small businesses and up, instead of home users. Did a quick google and indeed found out that is way above my "willing to tinker" budget. Could stop watching early. And that's not to knock on the video at all. On the contrary, I like that the video was polite saying: "this is not for you"

[@lennyaltamura2009]

Thank you, Tom, for all your help. You're great! I have taken FreeNAS and loaded it in VMware to test it out on a Dell R815. That was fun. For my smaller setup, I chose the Synology 1819+ and 1817+ as a backup. It was easy to set up, and for 16gigs of RAM in each, and the ability to use SHR 2+ is an equivalent to RAID 6. As you know, not all drives need to be the same size or manufacturer, decreasing the overall expense (I took a bunch of drives out of some desktops I had in storage 7200 RPMs, a mix of 1TB and 2TB drives). Besides, I thought the configuration and little to hands-on experience was a boon. I bound the 4 GigE ports to use LAG, and added a binding pair in my switch, also added the NVME support for caching in the 1819+. These devices also support a 10g + caching PCIe card for upgrade. These little boxes allow you to do much with less, and the software is pretty good too. If I had to do all that on another box, I'm sure it would cost more due to the RAM vs. storage pairing requirements vs. caching (memory tiering) and nonSHR forces a purchase of all drives being the same size /speed, etc. All in all, I recommend Synology for small offices that have a limited budget and less tech experience/ home use, etc. The only drawback is the cost of an empty unit. To be fair, you still need to purchase parts or server build with TrueNAS/ FreeNAS, etc.

[@WunderTechTutorials]

Love your videos! Tons of great content and it's easy to understand. Been a long term user of Synology (my channel is mostly based around Synology tutorials), but I'm looking forward to trying TrueNAS in the near future. Excited to see the full customization that FreeNAS/TrueNAS offers, but I'm sure I'll miss some of the "it just works" moments with Synology. Keep up the great work!

[@marklowe7431]

Work in this field. Really good video. Explained everything very well and balanced.

[@danbrown586]

Something that Synology has, and Free/TrueNAS doesn't (and isn't ever likely to), is a web-based file manager, such that you can see and manipulate the files on your NAS through its web UI. I use TrueNAS, and this doesn't bother me, but I see a lot of people asking for it.

[@petero1068]

4:56 you're welcome

[@devanshubiswas2763]

U r a god

[@nodave77]

he already listed timestamps...

[@andreasmartin9296]

Thank you!

[@DonWon4725]

Enjoyed your video thanks you helped me make informed decision. As such Freenas has been around for years great product unfortunately running this software myself has been more pain than good. I'm considering an alternative to Freenas right now because it keeps crashing at least twice a week not good when you have lots of video's stored.

[@DaveBoxBG]

It is amazing how your opinion is spot on and always aligns with enthusiast one.

[@scbtripwire]

Tom definitely seems to be in his chosen career for his passion of it instead of the money, yeah, and his videos reflect that. 🙂

[@3WheelsontheGround]

One thing that you did not touch upon is repair-ability. I have a dead Synology DS1813+, after a couple on months of email exchange the bottom line was. The unit is out of warranty: BUY another one, we offer no support.. I inquired with iXsystems, they stock parts for their units. Synology is great as long as it works, then it goes to the land fill or you find a small mobo (190x140mm) to replace theirs and install TrueNAS on it.

[@AndrewJamison79]

I mostly used Synology because at the time I upgraded my old Patriot Javelin S4 NAS which yeah has been EOL for several years and at the time I did not know about Freenas (now Truenas). I am not sure if I would have gone Freenas at the time i just wanted to set it and forget it backup/music centralized storage in my home.

[@Huck9000]

I've been using Freenas, now Truenas for over 10 years. Somebody new would struggle more with Truenas, and it's permissions, which I still struggle with at times. I have a Synology Nas as well, and it's much easier to use. I'm an open source type of person myself, so I'm partial to Truenas. I use Linux on my everyday PC, just not POP OS, which you use. If you build your own NAS, and use Truenas software, I would suggest you go to their forums, and read about their suggested hardware. If you like building you own systems, and tinkering with them after you've built them, you can't go wrong with Truenas.

[@acsp9303]

Great content, easy to understand. Love the videos and novice freenas user.

[@rogerf3622]

Good review. Note that the licenses for the Surveillance are $60 per camera.

[@mastermoarman]

How about qnap? It's kinda between the two you share afar as push and play vs a complete custom setup

[@thedevincrutcher]

The new TrueNAS 12 RC1 is a total game-changer, IMO. UI is very polished and easy to understand. It also plays nice with Mac. Editing footage straight off the NAS in Final Cut Pro and it actually works great with very little effort. Synology is just too pricy compared to repurposing an old machine, especially if I want a configuration with 10 GbE.

[@darklocksly3615]

Still using XPenology running on Proxmox ( but also on baremetal ), I use Synology OS just for Download Station, this with the DS plugin for Chrome is ideal for Downloading and Torrents. I do not like the hardware most NAS's run on, often too slow.

[@benricok]

Love the thumbnail! :D

[@joansparky4439]

Biggest trouble for FreeNAS (at least for me) is that there is not a lot (or any) of desktop size NAS cases out there as nice as the iXsystems enclosures (or synology/QNAP). And being located in remote Australia doesn't help either.. Anyhow, went with FreeNAS because of ZFS about 3 years ago and can't complain, use it for movies, central photos/etc, music and backup. The case I used in the end was a modified Fractal Design 804 with 6x 3.5' drives. I might need to replace them 2-3 more years down the road I guess, unless SSDs will have become on par in regards to $/TB but that might take a bit longer.

[@steveoc64]

good call. Silverstone have some decent consumerish options with hotswap bays ... but Ive questioned whether its worth the extra $$ to go full hotswap anyway. I mean, if a drive needs replacing, just pull the cheapo ATX case apart and fiddle about for 15mins is not the end of the world, hey. Whats annoying though is that many of these new, flash looking "gamer" cases have hardly any 3.5" cages. Used to be that you could jam a tonne of drives in a tower case.

[@Max-jv3yg]

S3 Target: FreeNAS uses MinIO baked in and updates only come when FreeNAS is updated. Synology, supporting Docker, allows you to run the upstream MinIO project pretty easily (better IMO) Containerization: Docker is much more supported and easier to use than IOCages. Although it's true you can run FreeNAS on your own hardware, the supported hardware is a small list; CPUs, HBAs, NICs, etc. need to be thoroughly researched for compatibility. However this is mostly a FreeBSD issue. OSS: FreeNAS is "Open Core", not "fully open source". This is an important difference.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

You can run minIO in an IOCage container perfectly fine. And FreeNAS / TrueNAS is open source, open-core model is the business model IXSystmes uses for the monetization of their open-source software project.

[@fusedglass01]

Just a heads up to anyone thinking about buying a used Synology, Make sure its a + model. For example the DS1817 doesn't support BTRFS while the DS1817+ does. Sadly I found out the hard way.

[@adammatthiesen6203]

With the Synology DSM software being opensource, I took and setup the xpenology bootloader on a older HP Microserver n36l, and is running the latest DSM version. I find that it is stable, but I agree, I wouldn't recommend a xpenology to just the average person. (ALOT of work to get setup at first) But would always recommend a synology. Freenas is a good second in my opinion.

[@adammatthiesen6203]

Newer version of xpenology is just a bootloader then you upload the .pat version file from synology download center. No support from synology but it much more stable then it used to be.... Plus I could always upgrade to a real synology and swap my drives and the data will be fine :)

[@mrmotofy]

@@adammatthiesen6203 Or throw drives in any Linux computer

[@adammatthiesen6203]

mrmotofy sorry but from my testing using the older hardware the diskstation software actually runs more efficient than any other distro. I also am using a HP ProLiant Microserver n36l I got for cheap for a quick file storage solution.... Much easier and quicker than going all out for now... But I have plans to update and upgrade here in the near future as I prep my business.

[@adammatthiesen6203]

@ yep. I run a few backups throughout the week

[@GrandpasPlace]

Ive got an 18tb FreeNAS server here and while it is nice, it has several issues. An automatic update hosed it and forced me to reinstall twice. Though my biggest complaint is that the BSD it runs on does not appear to support 40g infiniband. As a second NAS server I built a Linux box with SSD drives and 40g infiniband. Installed zfs on it and use webmin to manage it. Works well and seems to get the best of all worlds.

[@RichardBuckerCodes]

as of June 2021 TrueNAS does have a backup solution that has a limited free level of subscription. The same can be said about the Synology email server licensing. You've missed a few things... First of all neither system regardless of the model has enough RAM or CPU cores to run large jails, VMs, or containers. Second TrueNAS is more of a operator or system admin based user interface where DSM is more like a GSuite clone. Emails, word processor, spreadsheets and so on. Sure they are both turnkey but they are meant for different audiences.

[@Chem-iu5jx]

I am often working on the same files from differently computers. I really got to like the synology drive feature, running through quickconnect. Is there a similar feature on truenas to sync a folder on the NAS and the different computers?

[@veneratedmortal4369]

I started with truenas because it was free and custom hardware. I now have a synology. It simple, they do the hard work in the software and I don't have to do much to keep my data safe. Also the synology has great apps that just work like photos to replace Google photos. Sure truenas can do similar things with photoprism and other docker containers. And truenas can do backups but it's just simplified and therefore probably safer in synology hyperbackup. Not to mention seamless. The synology photos app is worth it in itself. I do have both but my main data is in synology. I use unraid for my apps and vms because it's so easy and I have a play server with truenas.

[@FelixMarx]

Thank you very much for all the Infos and the great comparison of all the points. Great video which helped me a lot.

[@johngonzalez3502]

What about a comparison of Synology & Unraid?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I don't use unraid.

[@CajunCoding]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS You Should.... it's got some pretty slick advantages and runs on any hardware you like! Parity based NAS (some great advantages for many use cases), Docker containers, VMs, etc. And even with license costs can be built for much less price-wise than Synology/QNAP/etc.

[@CajunCoding]

@Dio Titus Sure, but there are pros to paying for software too, it can certainly be advantageous to have a company supporting it, as Limeware does for Unraid. And for that (reasonable) license cost you get some unique features that are in fact only in Unraid (not in TrueNAS as you noted) -- particularly in how Unraid manages the Partiy Data as an individual Drive (or 2) that make it better suited for my use case (and others as well).

[@MSP360]

That's a great one, Tom!

[@samuelschwager]

Friend and I used to have a Synology, then one disk died and it took ages to rebuild the RAID. I have since built my own FreeNAS system with 2x Xeons and HBA cards. I think ZFS with multiple vdevs is the way to go.

[@greenftechn]

This was because you used the wrong type of hard drives in your Synology Nas.

[@samuelschwager]

@@greenftechn Are you talking about SMR vs CMR hard disks? No, I was using CMR NAS drives but the RAID rebuild for one failed disk took multiple days...

[@benjmuller1523]

In the past I always had the problem of the RAM size, which has to be provided extra for ZFS. That was the only reason why I stayed with synology/btrfs. How does it look today with TrueNAS? How much RAM is ideally needed (not minimum requirement!) for 75 TB ZFS NAS storage with TrueNAS? Thanks You.

[@jamieandrei]

I saw they recommend 1gb ram per TB.. but can be relative to your work load.. so 64gb probs a good start..

[@johnversluis3084]

get both !! it works for me !!

[@TestyKillsZA]

great vid. if you wanted 3 branches to sync a folder of info realtime across the internet, what is the best way to do it with synology? or do you prefer another method?

[@daillengineer]

Synology Drive with their C2 cloud if you have slowish internet. Data will reside in C2 cloud and download to local synology units for local editing. Then it syncs up to the cloud so everything stays in sync. Or if you have fast internet just use Drive without C2 and one of your synology units acts as the main server. Both work very well and will allow you to only have local copies on your PC/Mac until you are done with them to save local space, or you can permanently pin it to your local machine so you don’t have to keep RE-downloading it from the server. It’s really quite nice.

[@petergg3]

Thank you for the great information

[@leexgx]

Really expandable raid should be no on zfs as expanding it by having an identical vdev isn't typically possible (quote should be No, but requires identical vdevs or delete and recreate with new disks)

[@dvdemon187]

Love the video. I _am_ actually a professional and I also love to tinker with stuff. But I also have to say, _'I'm getting too old for this sh*t._ ATM I have a 11 year old Synology Rackstation RS2211+ up and running and I love the simplicity and _set it and forget it_ approach of it. But I recently picked up an used HP MicroServer N40L and use it as a TrueNAS test specimen so I can hopefully expand my horizon a little with it.

[@northwiebesick7136]

Just tried out the "trueNAS core OS" today, in a VM, and it looks nice, but uh, upon trying to connect a windows 10 machine to a SMB server I set up and made a user for, on my VM, well, it either doesn't show up or it says my user and/or password are incorrect. I'm not very into the NAS space since I'm still new in using a NAS, specifically for offline data storage usage, for cleaning up my external backup drives a bit, but I followed a few online tutorials, one even from ixsystems themselves, (to the letter I might add) with just changing the names in question, and nothing works, unfortunately. I'm definitely looking at starting to use a NAS OS, on an all in one system I'm planning on building sometime in the future, and want to test some kinds of NAS OS out, but I haven't had good first experience with TrueNAS, aside from the v12.0 UI, which was pretty good looking, like as shown in your video. Someone on their website was dealing with the same issue for 12 months before they installed windows server and had reliable SMB server access in seconds, which really, well, made me rethink spending any more time trying to get it working any more than the 6 hours straight I worked just attempting to get it to work, trying every computer tech trick I know,(which isn't much, for servers) and researching more, and intuiting what I'm doing wrong, to finding that after doing it the supposedly CORRECT way many times, finally giving up, and calling it the OSs fault instead of mine(and possibly a waste of time trying to get it working)

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I have a video on how to setup permissions, they work once you know how kzbin.info/www/bejne/iF6Ym5V6iaimhac

[@TmanaokLine]

Yay open source! Great video for new users!

[@digital_sorceress]

I get that Synology is not Buffalo, but I had to migrate off an old Buffalo NAS because they had long ago dropped their updates for the make/model I had .. I forget the specifics but it was something along the lines of it was stuck using very outdated version of SMB that was not supported by newer OSes that I was moving to.. and the crypto was using deprecated/obsolete versions as well as I recall - I could have kept it kicking around by keeping an older PC somewhere that could still talk to it and use it for some kind of low-effort archive for ancient stuff, but.. it just was not worth trying to keep alive due to those ancient protocols etc. Anyway, when it comes to stuff like this I'm a big believer in sticking to FOSS at this point.

[@maxamende4563]

Very interesting comparison! Nonetheless I guess I am first going to run a FreeNAS custom build in parallel to a Synology

[@LucaMolteni84]

With Synology you get also their custom hardware which can be useful, such as the slim enclosures. There’s nothing quite that for a DIY build except for a single Silverstone case. Also some features are ignored from IX Systems such as noise level or power consumption as they target enterprise which don’t actually care about them. I’d like to see a comparison regarding home/SOHO aspects

[@randybobandy9828]

There are plenty of cases that are like synology cases..

[@codeslayer]

Did someone already made iSCSI performance tests when using a similar hardware platform like xeon CPUs which are being used in Synology RS models?

[@flp322]

Great video. Thanks!

[@tbremard]

Great explanations. Can you put on synology ntfs hdd with existing data without formatting?

[@ForbiddenUser403]

What do you mean it's not likely? Synology has EOL'd tons of their products and no longer provide software and security updates for. I've got like 5 of rackmount systems that are locked in diskstation revisional history, versions that there are publically published exploits for, and the only option we have is to just throw them away and buy new. I would not recommend synology to anyone.

[@Techonsapevole]

I'd like a Trunas hardware with 3 SSDs slots.. ideas? raspberry 4 or other SoC ?

[@williamshenk7940]

Good comparison, Like the cup too.

[@jolly1039]

Tom good work.. what do you think about using dell poweredge hardware raid?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

For basic needs it works

[@KameraShy]

Would like to see a comparison of FreeNAS/TrueNAS and XigmaNAS --- and --- how to convert a server between them.

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

My TrueNAS box works as a charm with our Mac computers and iPhones, iPads, backing up each and every device through TimeMachine... doesn't that qualify for Active Backup??

[@bankruptsee]

Does FreeNAS have the remote user experience like Synology? I can have my field employees work via the File Station app on the web from anywhere.

[@DoubleRFarmsAL]

Can you use a Synology to add storage space for a unifi protect system running on a UDM-Pro?

[@picochico6113]

If building your own DIY unit / FreeNAS box, where's a good source for NAS cases and such? Thanks!

[@hawks48]

What’s your criteria? I think the sky’s the limit...

[@CajunCoding]

Yep, you could use anything bug and bulky, but for nice mid-to-small size but still hold tons of drives check out the Node 804 by Fractal Designs... Fractal Design also has another smaller model that is designed to hold numerous drives, but it's less flexible.

[@edmondenterprisesgrouphold3782]

That was great thanks.

[@compudude]

QNAP seems like it's more similar to Synology than TrueNAS. Any plans to take a look at it?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I don't use them so no

[@heiaheiaheiahei]

how can I not to like this video? Good job!

[@johnchiluiza2841]

Actually want to get enough system but I don't know if I should buy a Synology or build it myself it's basically just to back up and for Plex and I want it simple what do you recommend

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Depends on your skill level, overall Synology takes less time and skill to setup.

[@mdd1963]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS You can get more for less building your own, especially compared to their $1000-$1100 rigs for 8 bays....;Synology is the fast/easy way, for folks that 'want it now'...

[@cpcnw]

After the fork I stuck with NAS4Free / XigmaNAS - still working great for me. Would be nice to see that in the mix / comparison?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

My reviews are pretty much based entirely on things I use and I don't use that

[@cpcnw]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS If you only review things you don't use then why consider viewer requests. It's OK, I get it.

[@Walterz930]

Hi Tom would you recommend truenas a home storage also to run two vms for unifi controller and unms

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I don't recommend TrueNAS for vitalization

[@Mister-Gee-9999]

Can I reserve a slot on the Synology that just allows me a backup target in NFS/NTFS/ExFAT etc so that I can backup stuff from the raid without adding the disk to the raid? I don't want to use an expansion box or USB. e.g. Say I had 3 x 20 TB Raid 5. Could I slot in say a 20TB single disk and copy some file to it, remove it and store it somewhere offline?

[@blackforestoutdoor4402]

I would like to install freenas on a 32GB stick. Does the stick have to be formatted specifically for the installation path?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

The installer does that for you.

[@MrBearitall]

Does anyone have a simple video for people who aren’t enthusiasts about this stuff, that explains which one is better as far as simplicity? I just need a NAS where I can store my photos and videos.

[@nielderfp]

I have a qnap for media and I built a 4 disk unraid system for important files - all good.

[@Ruab]

awesome stuff.

[@adamjameslaw0]

is the truenas webdav "class 2" (file locking) like qnap and synology. I like that there is an API.

[@curmudgeoniii9762]

So do you sell True and Synology because the vendor supports them and your company can not?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

No, we sell them because they are both really good solutions and do have a vendor support plan in addition to our support.

[@jabawack81]

Thanks for the video yesterday I started to look around for a replacement for my pi nas and I can’t decide between Synology and another DIY solution

[@KB3M]

What about virus exposure? Would BSD be less of a target for malware than Linux? My QNAP caught a bug that Verizon notified me about.

[@danieltracy5559]

If I remember correctly a vast amount of synology Devices got a virus that mined some crypto for someone like a year or two ago.

[@hawks48]

Synology had a small rash of ransomware as well. ZFS on truenas I hear is not susceptible to the same problem? Maybe I’m wrong.

[@mikemilkshake205]

Could you make a video about zentyal server (open-source AD alternative) ?

[@gjkrisa]

Is zfs software raid would it help at all to use hardware raid card with freenas? Also ok if I started software raid and wanted to go hardware would it transfer easy or would I have to backup up in another place then rebuild? Thank you I am trying to decided to buy a cheaper Synology or just wipe my windows media server and do free nas and upgrade it down the Rd

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

ZFS is software raid but not the sane software raid used in Synology so it would not transfer over.

[@gjkrisa]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS thank you sorry i had a lot in one comment is it worth building raid with a raid card in free nas? if so how difficult would it be to make the change down the line?

[@gjkrisa]

well did kinda find my answer that running Broadcom drive controller 12 Gbps is recommended

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

@@gjkrisa You don't use raid controllers with ZFS, you use an HBA card that DOES NOT offer any raid but instead offers pass through.

[@engrpiman]

I was going to order a backup free nas form ixsystems for $21k when I got a synology quote of 9k. Is the free nas a better server? Yes. Can I justify 3x price for backup no. Corp office has a synology negotiated discount

[@mdd1963]

$9K for Synology ? What all did that get you? How many bays, drives, 10 GbE, etc...

[@engrpiman]

@@mdd1963 most of that was the 16TB drives. I have 24 drives

[@mdd1963]

@@engrpimanOK, so one of Synology's business class/rack mount affairs? Certainly $6000-$7000 worth of storage included cranks up the cost.. :)

[@DBLCreations]

I have a Synology NAS. I still have my first one which is still performing great. I made my first steps into the NAS world with my Synology DS412+ and i still love it. Very easy to use. When i look at the interface of TrueNAS it's looking more "crowdy" but i think i could find my way around. I'm fairly tech savvy. I'm thinking about buying a new NAS. And i'm thinking of going with Synology because i feel trusted with. I really want a rack version for in my rack but i'm a bit afraid of the noise. Is it really loud? Of course, it probably depends on what version it is? Can someone help me with this? Would be greatly appreciated 😎

[@mdd1963]

I wanted one to tinker with, until I realized I had no real need for storage space beyond even a single drive, much less from 4-6 drives...; I did add three spinners internally just to tinker with storage spaces, pass storage to VMs in Hyper V, including OMV, TrueNAS, ROckstor, ClearOS, Windows Server 2019 VMs, etc...

[@TheSlackassCrew]

With Truenas, can I upload and download files when I'm away from home?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

If you set it up that way

[@ronm6585]

Thanks.

[@deeeezel]

I prefer synology for its simplicity, but truenas is cheaper if you already have hardware that will work with it.

[@asdf51501]

I'm using a 6 year old Drobo 5N. I should probably upgrade.

[@DDM81996]

Forgot the cloud back-ups?....

[@Lux158]

I would love to know how these two systems compare (the device’s) since they have a similar expansion, but the truenas cost a bit more..

[@AndrewJamison79]

Question for anyone who can answer, if i want to explore FreeNAS can I load it up on an XCP-NG Virtual Machine and just fool around with it or does it require physical hardware to work?

[@alexanderseletskiy4701]

You can play around with it on a virtual machine. However the production solution would need direct (hardware) access to the drives in order to get the best of it. I think it is the ZFS requirement (please someone correct me if I am wrong)

[@geoffreystraw5268]

Plot twist unraid for the win.

[@martingerlach_1990]

Linux isn't the same OS like Unix. BSD isn't the same OS like BSD. But BSD is Unix-derivative like: UNIX is the grandpa and BSD is the father, the sons are FreeBSD and OpenBSD, because these OS share the same code from UNIX, but these OS also change a little bit of the code. Linux is only a collection of different open source OS which tries to be UNIX without using UNIX original code by writing their own open source code.

[@falazarte]

AD integration in FreeNAS is a flaky at best. I had tons of issues in different networks with permission and so on. Users getting locked out of their folders for no reason. Sometimes a simple reboot will fix it but that's less than ideal.

[@bkdasa]

Synology offers a way where we can access from outside the local network, like xxx.synology.me. Does TrueNAS has anything like that?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Nothing built in.

[@ir.abdullah33]

Tqvm sir.. can truenas install mariadb? I need db for my app

[@animelafuerza]

Yes, it can, although it is not recommended yet, docker and contained apps are not ready yet, and even the web page list that feature as in "development and not even in beta state".

[@ALCALOID]

Why not Qnap? I use Qnap ES1686dc (ZFS) as iSCSI-Storage for server and several TS-873, 673, 473 for backup and shares. I like Qnap OS much more as OS from Synology. This is really ugly and not comfortable. And ES1686dc with 5 Years 24/7 Support cost only one-third of comparable TrueNAS device.

[@leexgx]

To many security problems (recant one there zfs qnap os had hard codes password) qnap needs a Security code audit (it's that bad you have specific software that targets qnap)

[@mauritsl84]

Nice video, ps: You can expand the synology wthout SHR. Recent added a disk to my raid 5 backup synology. From 3 to 4 disks without SHR.

[@mdd1963]

YOu sure about that? SIlvering/formatting drives for RAID5 takes ~1 hour per TB....; to add another into a RAID 5, it's not really added if all the others were not resilvered...leaving no place for the data during it...

[@mauritsl84]

@@mdd1963 yes. Works perfectly and now having more space with the added disk in my current raid 5 set

[@josephboen178]

love your vids! by any chance do you know how to migrate from freenas to Windows file sharing format without wiping out the drive? thank you

[@mdd1963]

If you pass/move/copy the files/folders, they are stored in NTFS on WIndows once they are there...; there is no way to get Windows to read a ZFS filesystem, be it a single disk or group of disks

[@spoonsmademefat6224]

I need your coffee mug. Please link me.

[@Belayeety]

Nobody ever talks about the HORRIBLE USB3 performance on ALL Synology devices. What a shame. This seems to be an issue which synology is really keen on keeping out of public.

[@EmilePolka]

synology - for noobs, for people who dont know how to operate it but can be handled if it provides a nice gui free/truenas - for experienced user, offers much more robust data integrity, in short if you value your data, you should be using this instead, albeit operating this one is not noob friendly user at all.

[@stefankreuter4240]

Synology-for small business that need backup of workstations, GSuite or MS Office, ability to recover via a gui. For startups who afterwards upgrade to a real server (like Zentyal) and use their Synology as a backup device. Freenas for performance. Man I was surprised how fast Harddisks can get because of the RAM cache. Creating a virtual machine on Freenas can be faster than with a slow local SSD

[@rashie]

👍👍

[@alexanderseletskiy4701]

Actually there is one thing which was not covered - this is the VMs. I'm not sure about Synology - did not really touch them myself when we used them, but a TrueNAS/FreeNAS has the option to run VMs and with the amount of leftover power you usually get in the generic server hardware you can really have some services running on the TrueNAS. I did it and it was actually ok-ish with some troubleshooting it worked. Also there is the physical security that would be nice to compare. Out of the box the TrueNAS and FreeNAS will provide full access to the one who is standing in front of the server with a keyboard (I don't still know how to secure this - anyone has an idea?) My wildest dream however is that TrueNAS is merged with the PfSense and you would have a fantastic Home and Small business solution if you add some networking hardware. That would be a combo box I am dreaming about - a 5 years old workstation with Xeon, plenty of ECC RAM, 10GB ethernet and 4-5 ZFS drives.

[@Adures]

Is running VMs in freenas, production ready yet? I tried it at my homelab one or two years ago and it was buggy for home use, not to mention production at work. I am actively running freenas/truenas box and I'd say it's the best to just use it for storage and nothing else. Jails are not set it and forget it, updates do sometimes break them.

[@Bismuth208]

I’m running FreeNAS, PfSense and a few more VM’s under ESXi on same machine pretty well. If something will happen to ESXi when i’m at least will have FreeNAS (thanks to passthrough HDD’s via RDM). So, you’re dream is not wild as it seems at first, but really possible (kind of).

[@CS-yg4vt]

I am set using my 1821+ for remote work, photo backup syncing, 2factor security is top notch with synology android apps, steam gaming storage, and more. Quickconnect by synology does everything for you and is great feeling to use remotely. Cannot wait to try mail plus, design my website etc...and a ton more i am sure....... and Unraid I use for plex , seedbox, hdd expansion , file storage, VMs. Sorry but there is not one good video on the youtube that properly shows how to setup true nas , or unraid simply in 30 min to an hour. Too many security loop holes if you open your sever to the internet. Get synology its the best in the business for security and overall better polished product vs building your own NAS for free.

[@martingerlach_1990]

Building your own NAS for free isn't really free, because you have to buy and pay your own hardware stuff - such as cache, SSDs, HDDs and more - if you want to do it from the scratch.

[@nautaki]

Oh man, Ablecom makes the finest cases... too bad it is impossible to buy it by itself at the moment.