TrueNAS-SCALE-22.12.3 June 2023 Updates & Some Features That Are Being Removed...

[@angelgonzalez2379]

I've been using Truenas Scale for a few months, and I have bumped into a few quirks. Depending on the effort required, I may look into trying Core. I just want a NAS I can set and forget. Especially since I'm currently focusing my homelab efforts on running and maintaining a kubernetes cluster (on a separate host).

[@mt_kegan512]

I gotta say... Core is unbelievably rock solid. Thought I was gonna be a "scale guy", but I'm simply not there yet. At this point in time, I'll let my hypervisor run VMs and my Core run storage. You know, the way God intended

[@TheDillio187]

@@mt_kegan512I'm in the same boat.

[@meguinlia]

Would be really interest in a video of why you would choose Core over Scale besides the fact that its more mature or for a very small low/end system.

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

seconded. Tom did a previous video maybe a year ago where TrueNAS Core had the performance advantage over Scale purely in the NAS aspect (file transfer performance). I'm wondering if it still holds true with the current iterations of Scale. As for my system, I have since moved my TrueNAS Core server from bare metal to a VM in my Proxmox Server. I have chosen not to covert my Core system over to Scale. That said, Scale has a benefit when running as a Proxmox VM as it purportedly has QEMU Guest Agent installed natively, whereas in Core you have to create a script to install and run QEMU Guest Agent after every reboot.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I have an updated performance video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5ekn5WBas1-mKc

[@ralmslb]

I'm a bit on that boat regarding migrating from TrueNAS Core to Scale. Although I'm just a home user, using TrueNAS to serve some iSCSI targets for VMs and some SMB shares, having pretty much unbeatable stability has been great and has left me always unsure if its time to migrate. I do serve some services publicly, as such I don't want to add another headache. However, the option for proper VM support and Kubernetes is in fact very appealing as a home user.

[@thegorn]

I would have stuck with Core but tan into issues with VM stability. Regular hangs. Yolo upgraded to SCALE and have been fine ever since. If you have two physical CPUs then I think you want SCALE. Also Linux has better device support.

[@TinyWorkshop]

The "removal" of Rsync is a bit of a mess.... I was using it to backup my truenas to a Sinology nas...

[@haydenc2742]

Thanks for the warning on the passthru bug! Saved me from a massive headache!

[@wildmanjeff42]

love Truenas core... just works. Thanks for the video

[@thegorn]

It just works... if you don't use VMs or non-mainstream hardware. Then it's flaky.

[@wildmanjeff42]

@@thegorn many people have said it should be run on bare metal. This is also crucial to how the ZFS file system works. I have not installed on any non-x64 hardware or AMD hardware, and it has never crashed, and only time it has lost data was from me trying to do things from command line to move files, which it did not like.

[@KeithWeston]

Belated thank-you applicable to this video and dozens, hundreds of others you've made. I always learn something useful from your content. I hope someday to see a video about best practices for upgrading existing TN Scale hardware to new hardware (if a server is failing or obsolete, etc). It may be easy, but I know you'll know and explain the gotchas better than nearly anyone.

[@F5alconsHouse]

Thanks for the info, as a home user I don't pay attention to the release cycle.

[@gregbergevin1805]

FYI, the 22.12.3.1 hot fix update resolved the PCI passthrough bug!

[@phildegruy9295]

Tom, thank you for all your videos. They help a lot. IMO the ball was dropped on the explanation of just what or what part(s) they were deprecating out of the system “in the future”. I thought TN Scale was mature enough for general storage use but now just don't know... I don’t need a fancy box that runs everything under the sun and tries to be everything at once, so TN fits the bill for a system. At the same time, I can't have unreliable file transfer between a TN Scale system which was intended as a backup target for 4 computers and to transfer files over to a QNAP box as a 1:1 storage (not sync) copy of 25TB. I agree with other assessments of Rsync in Scale that it seems to be partially borked and messes up terribly with ownerships and permissions when used with SMB shares generating faults like: “permissions out of order” in windows file manager which I have never seen before on any machine.

[@TonyJewell0]

Damn, rsync modules gone. I use this at home to backup data (config etc) on all my various devices on to my NAS which then leverages my NAS backup.

[@tabascocrimson7865]

Encryption: ''Not a big deal migrating data back and forth'' ... If you can.... Not all can easily do that. Granted that anyone should have 2 other copies of their data but still, to recover back your data you either need: 1 - A full system replication with acls and everything 2- on an array, because if it fails your 2nd option is (for some people) your Cloud Storage which doesn't really mean acl are replicated there. Othewise, of course if you have a pile of 18tb lying around it's a not a ''problem'' but clearly an inconvenience.

[@TanKianW79]

I am still using core running my nextcloud, plex, syncthing on custom install jails and backup for my hypervisor. Rock solid. Not yet motivated to switch to Scale anytime soon.

[@mistakek]

I rysnc my Synology to my Truenas via Hyperbackup. i don't think Synology supports rsync over ssh, what would you suggest I do now besides move to Core??

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

I use HyperBackup to S3 on TrueNAS. They are deprecating the built in S3 but it's offered as an APP

[@christopherjackson2157]

I do want to check out minio. I've heard good things.

[@andreslopez7984]

@lawrencesystems any chance you do another video/tutorial with truenas scale + new truecharts nextcloud (stable)? (Seems like some options changed, as well as the port been used before, etc!) What happened? The latest update was not going through (restarting did not help, lol) ...what did this newbie decide to do? Let's do a clean install...delete old app and here comes the new! Not even try to push so you can roll back or something. I have put myself in time out already! Well, it isn't working.... Data is double backed up, so no data loss....but no nextcloud for now.... I even did a fresh truenas scale install and just nextcloud to test....nothing.. :(

[@Malfrex]

Looks like the PCI passthrough bug was already fixed as of today, probably as you were posting the video. (22.12.3.1).

[@majoryoshi]

since S3 MinIO is being deprecated, what does this mean for cloud sync jobs to an S3 or an S3-like (backblaze b2, Linode Object Storage, or other object storage services) target?

[@tabascocrimson7865]

Very good question... And very important question... Some of these features are the reason I'm bothering using TN instead of standard zfs... In particular, if they deprecate cloud sync it's show stopper to me.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

MinIo is used to make TrueNAS an S3 compatable target and IS NOT used for transferring things to S3 targets. Also they recommend using it an application via their APPS system

[@majoryoshi]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Alright, thanks for clarifying that!

[@rcdenis1]

I'm using passthru and have had no problems.

[@JPEaglesandKatz]

Well........ that is just f&()^ removing rsync menus... wtf are they thinking?

[@frankfix247]

What is your suggestion for backing up a pool to an external drive? Can I backup to an external drive in e.g. the exFAT format, connected via SATA hot-plug or USB in any way? Thanks for your good videos BTW!

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

There is no official way to do that.

[@vidx9]

TrueNAS-22.12.3.1 has been released patching the PCI passthrough to Virtual Machines issues

[@umair_me]

How do you actually roll out this to your clients? Can you share the tool that you use for this purpose, or do you have to connect each of them manually and do it.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

We Log in and update them, no automatic tools

[@DonMungia]

Why do you say Raid is not a backup. I thought it was. *I'm new to the Nas World and just browsing through Nas videos.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Raid is resiliency for your data on the drives but is not a backup copy. If you erase the data or something happens to corrupt the RAID the data is gone.

[@dbadovsky]

Hi Tom! Could you please make video about NFS sharing on TrueNAS? As for me, I try to bring it up the second day already, permission denied anyway. UID and GID are the same on TrueNAS and client, and this user is owner of shared dataset. On OMV I did the same in a few clicks...

[@PatrikKron]

I would have went with truenas core instead if I redid my nas today. For me the web-gui is unstable on scale.

[@Matrox473]

The ix-Applications folder in truenas Scale is still created as unencrypted even if the data set IS encrypted.

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

That is not true, if you start with an encrypted pool the ix-applications will be encrypted via inheritance

[@Matrox473]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS then i have no idea what is happening on my system. when i delete the dataset then recreate it with the "Apps" prompt, i still get an unencrypted "ix-application" and a notification saying "The following datasets are not encrypted but are within an encrypted dataset: '[FastBoy]/ix-applications' ".

[@Michael_K_Woods]

As someone that used OpenVPN to remote into a Truenas Scale machine, what is best alternative to use now?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Using OpenVPN in your router

[@Michael_K_Woods]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Thanks for the advice. Much appreciate your work!

[@LA-MJ]

Why the hell are they deprecating tftp and OpenVPN of all things?

[@LAWRENCESYSTEMS]

Why would you use OpenVPN in your NAS?

[@LA-MJ]

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS to tunnel into a remote site in a pull-only sync model

[@mariotubelecce]

I'm on latest 22.12.3.1 and multichannel is not present

[@mspencerl87]

Every update on scale kubernetes look like all my apps were gone sometimes took two to three reboots and they would finally show up again same thing as you

[@moeunsoksovannary8506]

I been using Truenas Scale for two years... removing Rsync make me so disappointed because I been using it to backup my data to QnapNas😢

[@pepeshopping]

Ah finally found out that ZFS under Linux is not quite as performing as in FreeBSD or even better, Open Indiana.

[@seannugent8141]

Also got rid of systemd-nspawn

[@ff34jmr]

Sone people are going to be annoyed on the tftp part.

[@goldibollocks]

WebDAV and OpenVPN sound really bad to me 😅

[@tabascocrimson7865]

So Truenas isn't the Swiss Army knife it once was... I already hear non believers shout ''told you so'' at me.

[@Syrade2713]

Since i lost to many drives at the same time and lost my pool and switched to unraid since then ive looked back and wondered why it takes sooooo long to start containers on truenas scale its so much fater with unraid and with docker

[@tomci121]

And realistically how often you turn them on and off?

[@merlingt1]

Pretty disappointed that they removed Rsync modules. In fact I am pretty disappointed with the SCALE UI overall, although I like the new organization I hope they do some more polishing of the UI, it currently looks very amateur compared to CORE. I will be sticking with CORE for my production server for the foreseeable future.

[@thegorn]

I don't know what drugs you are on. SCALE UI craps on the cluttered CORE UI.