The Real Reason Tesla Developed The Plaid Motor!

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@kqschwarz
@kqschwarz 2 жыл бұрын
When turning, the inner wheel needs to spin slower not faster. An easy slip.
@MrMppeters
@MrMppeters 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@GET2222
@GET2222 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly… this guy doesn’t even understand the basic concept of why you need a differential. The inner wheel has less of a path to travel and the out wheel needs to spin faster because it has further to travel when turning. Duh….
@florenciovela7570
@florenciovela7570 2 жыл бұрын
Yup just like regular car rear differentials
@R0bobb1e
@R0bobb1e 2 жыл бұрын
Boo... That's what I picked up too! Still trying to figure out if these are Easter Eggs or genuine fumbles...
@bertrandls
@bertrandls 2 жыл бұрын
@@GET2222 Hey easy with the nasty!
@MrZauberwuerfel
@MrZauberwuerfel 2 жыл бұрын
Electric motor designer here. Great video. Even though simplified a lot at some points, I think you got your points across well. However you got some things wrong about the carbon fiber sleeve. Carbon fiber is terrible at conducting magnetic fields. Therefore, if you have a 3mm thick sleeve, from a magnetic point of view, its like the airgap is increased by 3mm. So the effective airgap is actually much higher with a carbon fiber sleeve. What carbon fiber is good at is preventing the rotor from destroying itself due to centripetal forces, allowing higher rpm. With higher rpm a very low aigap is actually not desirable due to increased rotor losses, but this is a complex issue. I'd love to chat about this with you, if you are interested let me know.
@cyberlando
@cyberlando 2 жыл бұрын
Im an electrical engineer.... how did you break out into electric motor design?
@MrZauberwuerfel
@MrZauberwuerfel 2 жыл бұрын
@@cyberlando Well I worked at a company, that produces electric motors, while I studied.
@coreybean8280
@coreybean8280 2 жыл бұрын
Fellow electric motor designer here. Surprisingly goes unmentioned but the carbon fiber sleeve also lets them get rid of the flux bridges between the magnets, essentially they break the rotor into separate segments and retain those segments using the sleeve. Cool design but obvious tradeoffs, mainly the larger airgap like you said
@teamsafa
@teamsafa 2 жыл бұрын
This is correct, the carbon fiber sleeve is to prevent the rotor from flying apart. And you also can get rid of the iron bridges in the rotor. Without the sleeve these bridges would have been very thick to hold the rotor together and thus stealing too much flux from the magnets. When you calculate it the increased air-gap due to the sleeve reduces the flux less than the iron bridges would have done. This with carbon fiber sleeve is not new however, we did a project around 2008 with such motors for a military vehicle prototype, however it did not enter into mass production. Also the Swedish company Elmo produced servo motors in the 80:s and 90:s with magnets held in place by winding Kevlar under tension instead of carbon-fiber. On of the large customers for the motors at the time was ABB Robotics.
@brianforbes4417
@brianforbes4417 2 жыл бұрын
So another potential connection between tesla and internal military knowledge/money, I mean skynet bringing high speed Internet to starving Africa is a bit of a thin Vale especially when the first true use case is war in Ukraine
@NCLUSA
@NCLUSA 2 жыл бұрын
I worked 38 years as a construction electrician, I worked 3 years as an Electric Motor winder, (I rebuilt electric motors) but there are still a lot of things I don't know of understand about Electric motors. I believe EVs are our future, I can say this even though I think we are not ready to shut down gas engines. The electric car has a lot going for it, if we get the batteries/charging worked out. Great video.
@flashmedia8953
@flashmedia8953 Жыл бұрын
Mechanical engineer here. The main reason for the carbon sleeve under tension on the rotor so that it prevents any further elasticity of expansion due to centrifugal force and thermal expansion which can cause the outer diameter of the rotor to rub against the stator. Very sophisticated thinking by Tesla's engineers. This must be done using FEA analysis.
@brunonikodemski2420
@brunonikodemski2420 2 жыл бұрын
Fiber-wrapped rotors were researched extensively during the 1960s & 70s, where rotary-energy-storage was being developed. Such rotors were used in urban buses & vehicles, as inertial storage. Physical design actually shows that a rectangular-shaped rotor dies not have an ideal amount of energy storage. High-energy rotors use a "semi-cycloidal" shaping, as dependent on the strength of the fibrous windings. We looked at some of this while we were developing the Lunar-Rover motors. Fiberglass & Kevlar & Aramid fibers were used before carbon-fiber was available. The fibers actually do reduce the efficiency of the motor, since it is an airgap. However when the rotor expands, due to heating, the carbon can be shredded-off, and actualy "scrubs-to-fit" the stator. As such the motor can be self-adjusting to its specific thermal regimen. This technique is now used in aircraft turbines, as in C17, where the fan actually is made to grind-to-fit the containment stator. However, if the Tesla motor "overheats" beyond its design range, and if the carbon is shredded, and IF oxygen is available, that motor will actually combust and burn internally. Some other vendors actually suck-out the air inside the motor, to a semi-vacuum level. This improves the aerodynamic efficiency of the rotor. If rotor goes near-sonic velocity, in the gap, this creates major aerodynamic losses (shock waves), which will either heat the motor, or cause high-energy vibrations, which can also destroy the bearings. We ran into this in uranium-seperation equipment, at 60-to-90-thousand rpm. None of this technology is new.
@gendaminoru3195
@gendaminoru3195 8 ай бұрын
none of these ideas are original. Everyone is just titillated by all the advertising muscle Musk has spent. Calnetix has been making high speed rotors like this for decades and the stators are nothing special at all. I'm surprised Musk didn't buy Yasa before Daimler Benz did. Just tells me he really isn't interested in innovation that much.
@samheasmanwhite
@samheasmanwhite 2 жыл бұрын
The star shaped design where the inner part of the rotor comes up to the surface in addition to the poles is so that it can partially act as a reluctance motor, this is presumably what that boost in power they mention is. Also, although the carbon does stop the rotor expanding, it is a bit more than that since it's literally the only thing holding the the rotor together, adhesives would not be strong enough and metals would introduce serious losses. I think they had a previous iteration where the pole laminations were actually part of the core laminations and that just could not have been nearly as good as this, although it did reduce the gap in the magnetic paths so it might have had higher torque.
@rumaabba8875
@rumaabba8875 2 жыл бұрын
I think american have rights to sue all n a z i & jaguar for immitate & push political agenda to sell their ev into usa market. Which trapped american civilians a n d only supports elitz c0mies
@soundslight7754
@soundslight7754 2 жыл бұрын
To turn or go around a circle, the OUTER wheels have to spin faster not the inner, as stated here!
@krisdevoecht
@krisdevoecht Жыл бұрын
Indeed, heard it too 😂
@ExileXCross
@ExileXCross 8 ай бұрын
No, it's correct. The inner wheel slips and speeds up to match the outer wheels.
@DontTreadOnMe_1775
@DontTreadOnMe_1775 5 ай бұрын
​@@ExileXCrossno, that's not how differentials work. Anything that "slips" is in the differential, not on the inner wheel.
@ExileXCross
@ExileXCross 5 ай бұрын
@@DontTreadOnMe_1775 I know, I intentionally worded it that way because not everyone is mechanically/electrically inclined. Second there is no differential. The axles are connected directly to motor and it's not "slips," slip is an actual technical term used describe when the rotor speed does not match synchronous speed.
@vishmankotla3325
@vishmankotla3325 2 ай бұрын
Yeah,, a tip of the slungue
@Timbo_tango
@Timbo_tango 2 жыл бұрын
15:11 It's comforting to see that the stator windings are held together with good old string
@jameshoffman552
@jameshoffman552 2 жыл бұрын
Plaid is a big win in power density mainly due to the higher RPMs it allows. This has 3 advantages in applications like the CyberTruck and Semi (both of which I'm expecting will use Plaid motors): 1. Lower weight -- the motor weight is reduced in inverse proportion to the increase in power density 2. Economy of materials -- the needed copper, aluminum, rare earths, etc scales in the same way 3. Reduced motor count -- CT and Semi will debut with 2 and 3 motors, not 4 and 4
@figadodeporco
@figadodeporco Жыл бұрын
Are you really expecting CyberTruck and Semi to use any motor? Like, do you think they are real, viable commercial products?
@thedumbconspirator4956
@thedumbconspirator4956 Жыл бұрын
​@@figadodeporco well the semi uses off the shelf plaid motors so he's right there
@kcr6282
@kcr6282 2 жыл бұрын
Induction motors don't have permanent magnets in their rotors. A magnetic field happens in the rotor due to induced (hence "induction") currents in conductors in the rotor. Tesla uses brushless DC motors which have permanent magnets in the rotor and use electronic switching to control the polarity/strength of the fields in the wound stator. The commutator shown at 6:13 is a mechanical switch used to alter the field direction in a wound rotor. this would typically be used in smaller motors which have a pair of permanent magnets as a stator and are often seen in toys, also car starter motors. The commutated rotor can also be used with a wound stator, in the case of the universal motor, used in AC powered tools, like drills and skill saws. Induction motors tend to be large and heavy (there are low powered exceptions, like fans and old record players), but very quiet and very long lasting. Universal motors produce a lot of power and are comparatively small, but make a lot of noise and require maintenance when the brushes wear out.
@E-Ma
@E-Ma 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for this comment, this guy's video is driving me crazy
@yx2803
@yx2803 2 жыл бұрын
Me not being engineer at this field just wonder: whe there were 3 contacts shown on the invertor? Dont they represent 3 phase of ac induction motor? Though i agree withagnets in the rotor:-)
@kcr6282
@kcr6282 2 жыл бұрын
@@yx2803 There are three phases to this motor, however, the frequency and amplitude of the three phases is controlled by some high speed switching circuitry Usually, devices called IGBTs are used in a chopped three phase H-bridge setup
@terrymartin2028
@terrymartin2028 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone saying "you explain it so simply" - not realizing how much is so wrong. To be fair, the Long Range does have both PM and induction motors, but the Plaid does not. I almost choked when he got to the commutator, as if the Plaid were a giant electric drill.
@SomethinK
@SomethinK 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome - I was hoping someone would make those points!
@typhoon-7
@typhoon-7 2 жыл бұрын
Railway engineer here... What I've learned is that other than some minor design tweaks in the rotor which are specific to their design philosophy, that the power control and design of any Tesla or any other EV powertrain is basically the same as we have been using on AC traction on the railway since the early to mid 90s.
@aaxa101
@aaxa101 2 жыл бұрын
Are u also wrapping the rotor?
@Matzes
@Matzes 2 жыл бұрын
I ll take teslas electric motor over anything you got in railways in terms of efficiency and power.
@hwirtwirt4500
@hwirtwirt4500 2 жыл бұрын
@@Matzes Of course you would because you haven't a clue about electric motors.
@Ricko1Games
@Ricko1Games 2 жыл бұрын
@@Matzes Railway motors are many times more powerful then Tesla's. Around 5000-7000 horsepower. Efficiency is about the same. The reason a train doesn't accelerate fast is because the weight is bigger then a human can comprehend. Like thousands of times the weight of a Tesla car.
@Matzes
@Matzes 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ricko1Games obviously I m talking relative to size.
@Andyman9279
@Andyman9279 2 жыл бұрын
So many Tesla channels nowadays but you guys are clear and to the point without being pretentious. Compliments from The Netherlands.
@carldietz9767
@carldietz9767 2 жыл бұрын
The outboard wheel always turns faster, it is traveling a longer distance in the same amount of time than the inner tire.
@YouKnowTheyExist
@YouKnowTheyExist 2 жыл бұрын
And the reason this comment by Carl was entered is that the spokesperson did not catch the error in saying "the inner wheel has to spin faster, and the differential allows this to happen"... The most basic geometry is not understood by the chosen spokesperson. Perhaps the average voter is in a similar level of incompetency in voting for public officials.
@jgarbo3541
@jgarbo3541 2 жыл бұрын
Ackermann Principle: The outer wheel must turn faster to travel the greater distance.
@kenmartin5299
@kenmartin5299 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very important topic. Not covered enough even by the best tesla channels. Listening now
@Generic_661
@Generic_661 2 жыл бұрын
from someone who works in electrical trade sales: your history/physics lesson was fantastic, you gave an Intro to electric motors class in 5:30.
@huskydogg7536
@huskydogg7536 2 жыл бұрын
best explanation of how an electric motor works that I've seen, thank you!
@RasmanZ
@RasmanZ 2 жыл бұрын
Another fun fact, RC brushless motors have used wrapped rotors for many years. Not sure who holds the patent or came up with the idea. Pretty sure it wasn’t Tesla though…
@CmdrSkullcrush
@CmdrSkullcrush 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone fascinated by this as much as me, I want to recommend the Lesics video on the Model 3 motor. It goes into incredible detail on how brilliantly Tesla arranged their magnets to maximize efficiency.
@TheVariousA
@TheVariousA 2 жыл бұрын
this
@jamespatrick5930
@jamespatrick5930 2 жыл бұрын
The outer wheel turns faster as it travels further than the inner wheel
@w0ttheh3ll
@w0ttheh3ll 2 жыл бұрын
If the inverter goes dead for some reason, the (very strong) motor could slow down the wheel as if you had suddenly stomped on the brake (but only for that wheel!). The explosive fuse could disconnect the motor in such a case, letting the wheel turn freely.
@alexmanojlovic768
@alexmanojlovic768 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my word & I thought improving electric motors, due to the already high level of efficiency compared to ICE was nearly as far as you could go & nowhere near as complex as ICE..... 🤦🏻
@brunonikodemski2420
@brunonikodemski2420 2 жыл бұрын
In the old days, a forced reversal was called "plugging". It resulted in hundreds of amperes of reversed current, the energy coming from the back-drive on the motor. In cars, this would result in an immediate skidding of the wheels, and uncontrolled spin-out deceleration. Usually the reversed rectifiers, SCRs, IGBTs just blow up.
@tbthedozer
@tbthedozer 2 жыл бұрын
I am thinking the explosive fuse has a lot more to do with the eventual failure of the IGBT or SCR and the likelihood that it becomes a dead short and a fire hazard due to the huge amount of Amperage available plus the high Voltage may arc and sustain the short circuit. Another factor is like you say that that one coil of the stator getting a huge amount of power and staying there would/could significantly and rapidly decrease the speed of the motor and wheels. There are several other ways to decouple the motor from the inverter without explosive fuses . I also wonder if it’s not maybe the DC bus supply to the inverter that’s being interrupted. 🤷‍♂️
@alexmanojlovic768
@alexmanojlovic768 2 жыл бұрын
@@brunonikodemski2420 "plugging" is now a perverse activity on certain websites 😂😅🤣
@ElRamonMotor
@ElRamonMotor Жыл бұрын
I do agee with Tony Bjorklund: Tesla has lots of pyrofuses in case something goes wrong. Do to the cross-section, these "fuses" look more like contactors to short the motor's phases together...do you have a clearer picture of them? Or do you know where can I easily find this bus-bar?
@davyjones5890
@davyjones5890 2 жыл бұрын
Steamship / Hydroelectric Powerplant USCG Engineer here. If you think blackouts and brownouts are a big problem now, just wait ten years when millions of electric cars plug into The Grid at night to recharge. Better start fixing The Grid soon.
@JonathanTamm
@JonathanTamm 3 ай бұрын
There is a surplus of power at night that's why there is cheap off-peak power at 1/2 to 1/3 the price only 20 % demand while people sleep 10 pm till 8 am were I am 9 cents a kw compared to 28 cents peak I have an electric car and enough solar to charge it and run the house those that have no solar would be foolish to charge at 3 x the price in the day. Black outs and brown outs are in the day when people awake using lots of electricity. Charging electric cars at night is a good way to lessen the load on the grid combined with less oil refining that uses lots of electricity.
@saff226
@saff226 Жыл бұрын
The 3 main things that make the plaid faster is 1: the carbon sleeve allows the motors to spin faster 2: the much more powerful battery design allows a higher constant current to be fed to the motors. 3: probably the most important part is the much better cooling system being able to pull more heat out of both the motors and batteries. This allows for the higher constant power output of both the battery and the motors. The semi uses the same motors but gets way more power output by the sounds of it because the massive battery is easily able to supply a LOT more current at a higher voltage. I would say the Cybertruck will be the same.
@myxalplyx
@myxalplyx 2 жыл бұрын
Wow....GREAT VIDEO! I never thought I'd understand this but the way you put it in all your simplicity, I'm a friggin' genius now. Haha! Thank you for explaining this the way you did. This video was very well put together.
@arno7303
@arno7303 2 жыл бұрын
When going around a corner, the OUTSIDE wheel goes faster... 14:18 It must travel further distance and keep up thus inside wheel is slower than the outside wheel.
@edcolins5498
@edcolins5498 2 жыл бұрын
As an simple electrrician, I found this video very pleasant and well explained, cudo's to you ! If the schools would have such good explanation to physichs and other technical programs, the pupils would learn better and perhaps World could be a better place !
@freeenergytransformer5842
@freeenergytransformer5842 3 ай бұрын
Tesla's development of the Plaid motor is a testament to their ability to take existing technologies and make them not just desirable but revolutionary. While EV enthusiasts and hobbyists had been experimenting with Lithium-Ion batteries long before Tesla came onto the scene, it was Tesla that truly transformed electric vehicles into something mainstream, sexy, and practical. Much like Apple did with smartphones, Tesla didn’t invent the concept but refined it to such a degree that they became synonymous with the technology itself, setting a new standard for what electric vehicles could be. It's also interesting to note Tesla's approach to criticism and customer feedback. While they might not publicly respond to bad press or legal setbacks, they often seem to implement changes that directly address these issues, though they frame them as coincidental improvements. An example of this is their response to paint degradation issues in colder climates like Quebec, where they quietly started offering free protection kits after being challenged in court. Tesla's ability to adapt and refine their offerings, even if under the radar, is part of what keeps them ahead in the game.
@bantutesla2552
@bantutesla2552 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, You killed this comprehensive cliff-note lesson on Electromagnetic induction motors. Outstanding !
@polyscient
@polyscient 2 жыл бұрын
Really? He incorrectly described an AC induction motor as having permanent magnets. It does not.
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 2 жыл бұрын
The motors used by Tesla and as shown in this video are not induction motors as induction motors do not have permanent magnets but rely on an induced electric field in the rotor to work with the rotating electromagnetic field in the stator coils to cause it to turn. Tesla use a PMSR motor which stand for Permanent Magnet Switched Reluctance motor, this is a type of brushless DC motor where control electronics switch the current in each stator coil based on the position of the stator. This has many benefits over induction motors, it is more efficient, produces more torque at all speeds and generates less heat in the rotor which in turn means less maintenance than an equivalent induction motor. Tesla did used to use induction motors in some models though I think all their cars now use PMSR.
@Barubindc
@Barubindc 2 жыл бұрын
This is the Tesla version of everyday astronaut
@CraziFuzzy
@CraziFuzzy 2 жыл бұрын
The stark difference being that everyday astronaut knows how rocket motors work. This is a very wrong description of how an induction motor works (completely ignoring the induction part). What was described here is a synchronous motor.
@goldengoat1737
@goldengoat1737 4 ай бұрын
Not really this guy get the basics wrong quite often. Actually kind of offensive because he doesn’t seem to care when it is pointed out
@djbis
@djbis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was so well explained, with just enough detail and language so that anybody can understand in a nice bite-sized portion. Love what Tesla is doing to evolve the electric vehicle and transportation as a whole.
@droberts7725
@droberts7725 2 жыл бұрын
Induction motors DO NOT use permanent magnets! Tesla does Not use induction motors in their cars. I believe it is a SynRM motor (Synchronous reluctance motors).
@alexwang007
@alexwang007 Жыл бұрын
Correct, also, Tesla Motors used an induction motor in their first car, the model S, the model 3 uses IPMSRM in the rear and an induction motor in the front. :)
@markbishop1425
@markbishop1425 2 жыл бұрын
A three phase electric AC motor with a permanent magnet rotor is a permanent magnet motor, not an induction motor. An induction motor has just wire circuits within the iron core of the rotor. There are no permanent magnets. The rotor becomes magnetized when it slips behind the rotating magnetic field in the stator. For example, my bench grinder is a four pole single phase AC unit. The rotating magnetic field at 60 hertz turns at 1800 rpm, while the rotor turns at approximately 1700 rpm, depending on the load on the grinder. Thanks for the very informative video on the Plaid motor. Mark Bishop
@0neIntangible
@0neIntangible 2 жыл бұрын
Great point!... That is what I was wondering about in the description here of the rotor, as well... there are no magnets in rotors of a single or 3 phase ``squirrel cage`` induction motor... it relies on induced eddy currents to create opposing magnetic poles to the rotating fields of the stator and does slip behind the speed by a percentage... as you mentioned, this was an informative video and I`m glad I watched.
@omshankar4862
@omshankar4862 2 жыл бұрын
I am an “ok” engineer with a regular job in a software company but learned a lot from this video. Wondering, if the real mechanical/electrical engineers working at Rivian/Ford would learn a hell lot more from this, and can dramatically increase the performance of their Cars, beating Tesla! Is that possible?
@ChristopherGoggans
@ChristopherGoggans 2 жыл бұрын
No, not likely, and not because they're bad engineers. The answer is simply Tesla is designed differently as a company. From what I've gathered, they seem to have taken the principles of Agile software design and applied them to an entire company, from design, through manufacturing, and every step in the process. Tesla is frequently making changes to their design, both small and large, all in the goal of improving everything with their vehicles. Rivian is a much smaller manufacturer, and nowhere close to Tesla's scale, so there's a chance they can borrow some of Tesla's ideas, but I highly doubt they'll be able to take advantage of many of the largest Tesla innovations such as the custom motor wrapping, or 4680 cells as these are both completely new groundbreaking designs. These new designs require massive investments in either new product production plants or other major retoolings and I don't see Rivian being willing or able to change their production to make this happen. Ford potentially has the size and engineering capabilities, but from what I've seen, the company culture and heirachy has severely ossified and is so inflexible that they wouldn't dream of trying these radical ideas. Furthermore much of their supplies come from third party suppliers so they don't have the same flexibility.
@omshankar4862
@omshankar4862 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherGoggans Good insights!
@marcbee1234
@marcbee1234 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherGoggans ...also Tesla is trying to get to Mars, there must be some high tech trickle down landing at the Tesla factory.
@onradioactivewaves
@onradioactivewaves 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the Ford engineers beating the Tesla engineers would be an amazing show to watch. I'll bring the popcorn!
@patheddles4004
@patheddles4004 2 жыл бұрын
Other thing to remember is, there tend to be reasons why engineers weren't already using these cool ideas. I'd assume that Tesla's engineers had to solve a /lot/ of problems to make these ideas actually work in prototype, and then a whole other set of problems for practical mass production. Engineers at other companies probably already understand these ideas in principle, but that's very different from making them actually useful in practice.
@lfla0179
@lfla0179 2 жыл бұрын
With stronger magnets, you need less current on the stator to create a field for the rotor to follow, would be my guess.
@aaronpalmer7425
@aaronpalmer7425 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, which is why there are people ditching the old motor design and exploring the other design explained by Nicholas Tesla that is in theary more efficient and has the magnets spin not the coils, it has taken a long time for that design because of timing the coils with the magnets to get the best performance possible.
@Blox117
@Blox117 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronpalmer7425 the magnets always spin you tard
@jamescodiroli722
@jamescodiroli722 2 жыл бұрын
At timecard 14:18 should be "the outer wheel has to turn faster."
@wescoleman8281
@wescoleman8281 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I wondered if someone caught this. Good!
@aldionsylkaj9654
@aldionsylkaj9654 2 жыл бұрын
well, when turning weight goes onto the outer wheel which makes the inner wheel slip, actually. in a perfectly symmetrical world, your argument would be the case, but factor in physics, it becomes counter intuive.
@marvelaturraz5405
@marvelaturraz5405 2 жыл бұрын
14:17 The OUTER wheel spins faster, not the inner. I'm surprised this error wasn't spotted during even preproduction.
@MrBa4ok
@MrBa4ok 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@Tom-cf2wk
@Tom-cf2wk 2 жыл бұрын
14:19 No I believe it's the outer wheel that has to turn faster, as it has a greater distance to travel. Great video though. Very enjoyable watching this.
@dalegreer3095
@dalegreer3095 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this so thoroughly. My one nitpick is that in this context non-integers should be rounded rather than truncated, so the Plaid required 152 N, the Model Y required 112 N, I3 was 94 N, and Mach E 82 N.
@GarryAReed
@GarryAReed 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, my neurons kept up with you most of the time. Don’t ever remember a better motor presentation in all my 79 1/2 yrs ! God Bless &. Keep up the good work, I will definitely watch this again ! 👍👍👍👍👍 🇺🇸🦅
@markskeldon1347
@markskeldon1347 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking outside the box is a critical gift of genius at work.
@cornelvulcan3420
@cornelvulcan3420 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really enjoyed it, i was actually curious about the engine. Great job 👏🏻, please do more about the engine
@Doing_it_right_the_first_time
@Doing_it_right_the_first_time 2 жыл бұрын
“Engine“??!… What engine did they talk about?… Or do you mean motor“? A motor runs on electricity and an ‘engine’ runs on fossil fuels, whether it be gasoline, diesel or natural gas, etc.
@sandyt4343
@sandyt4343 2 жыл бұрын
@@Doing_it_right_the_first_time but people still say,” when you give it the gas” and more than a few people refer to pavement rollers as “ steamrollers “ that’s just the way people Communicate sometimes. Technically an accurate but really not a big deal
@pickalots
@pickalots 2 жыл бұрын
We leave the steam at the power plant these days.
@andydufresne3635
@andydufresne3635 2 жыл бұрын
Lucid Sapphire has entered the chat....
@rl357lv5
@rl357lv5 2 жыл бұрын
Great movie guys, you guys did a lot of work and it came out great. (Below are [3] small corrections I saw) *earths North Pole is magnetic south which is why the norther portion of a magnet points north (magnetic south *Centripetal acceleration (force) *outer wheel spins faster in a corner
@darkshadowsx5949
@darkshadowsx5949 2 жыл бұрын
where was the movie? was it the new Dr strange movie? i was listening to a guy ramble about an electric motor in the background. i didn't hear a movie playing.
@polyscient
@polyscient 2 жыл бұрын
*AC induction motors don't contain permanent magnets.
@billcampbell7397
@billcampbell7397 Жыл бұрын
Ya you guy's are doing a great job, keep up the good work. I am learning more and more every time I get a chance to watch. Thank you.
@Bill-cy2cy
@Bill-cy2cy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for going above and beyond on this one. Value added, indeed.
@MECKENICALROBOT
@MECKENICALROBOT 2 жыл бұрын
…It was Tesla’s 166th birthday yesterday. _good timing_
@florin2tube
@florin2tube 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this episode too. Congrats 👏!
@platinumrobinson2516
@platinumrobinson2516 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding information 👏
@stevesloan5935
@stevesloan5935 2 жыл бұрын
Good, simplified explanation; nice visuals.
@kennys4100
@kennys4100 2 жыл бұрын
It was killing every other motor out there in the market until Lucid entered the chat 🤯
@justingrey6008
@justingrey6008 2 жыл бұрын
What if I told you a brushless induction motor doesn't need permanent magnets? Anyway, the motor design is innovative but not surprising, imagine the magnetic field lines created by the field windings and it makes more sense.
@schrodingerscat1863
@schrodingerscat1863 2 жыл бұрын
These motors aren't actually induction motors, they are Switched reluctance motors which is a kind of DC brushless design. Tesla did used to use induction motors but I think they switched over to using PMSR motors for all their cars now.
@drsingingeagle
@drsingingeagle 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was a little kid. We had these itty-bitty Hotwheels called "Sizzlers." I think the stators were permanent magnets and the rotors were copper-wound electro-magnets.
@Dakcole
@Dakcole 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, I think everyone needs to know the basics behind why electric cars are so good and why teslas are brilliant! IPM synRM plus the iron core rotator magnetic gap and the carbon fiber wrap (which doesn’t interfere with the magnetic field) is just plain brilliant!
@alanmay7929
@alanmay7929 2 жыл бұрын
Lolzzzzzz
@raph151515
@raph151515 2 жыл бұрын
yes but I wonder if the thermal envelop of the epoxy isn't an issue. Carbon fiber really need a new high temps binding agent !
@robrobason
@robrobason 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks for talking this complicated subject.
@solarishomesystems9011
@solarishomesystems9011 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I have owned 8 Tesla's over the last 11 years but have never heard such a clear description of how the amazing motor works. One minor point, when you describe the reason for a differential, wouldn't it be the outside wheel that has to turn faster than the inside wheel, rather than the other way around?
@gennadiymostovskiy5991
@gennadiymostovskiy5991 10 ай бұрын
Why have you owned 8 teslas in 11 years?
@johnny2100
@johnny2100 2 жыл бұрын
*Railway engineer and Electric motor designer here. Great video. Just wanted to throw my title around like everyone else on this youtube platform since i can be anyone i want and pretend to know what im talking about by copying and pasting info i find on the internet*
@simplelife4213
@simplelife4213 2 жыл бұрын
Your way of explaining the subject is so clear and easy to understand. If only my professor can explain the content like you do. Definitely subscribed.
@ozone7
@ozone7 Жыл бұрын
"Content"??? Is everything CONTENT now?
@ivanr4300
@ivanr4300 2 жыл бұрын
The comments by the engineers are interesting and very detail. Keep it up guys. Thanks!!
@markcole6460
@markcole6460 2 жыл бұрын
Well done on the simplified break down. I have a preexisting knowledge on the subject and I felt like I gained a better understanding by watching your video. I’m in the process of creating learning materials for the company I work for and I wish I had your ability to make a subject comprehensible as demonstrated by this video.
@McL0VINNN
@McL0VINNN 2 жыл бұрын
Time traveling engineer here. You forgot to talk about the Flux capacitor. Great vid.
@BVLVI
@BVLVI 2 жыл бұрын
When you were talking about, brushless motors you actually had a video of a brushed DC motor in there. Haha I was like why is he showing that, he's going to confuse people. But overall really good video 6:18btw
@GunnarShaffer
@GunnarShaffer Жыл бұрын
Great job of pulling so many resources together to make a solid video!
@DishNetworkDealerNEO
@DishNetworkDealerNEO 2 жыл бұрын
At 6:13, the animation is a Direct Current Motor using brushes. You also kept switching between single phase induction motors (four poles) and a three phase diagram (six stator magnet working off 3, 120 degree separation phases for 3*120=360 degrees. Which you show only occasionally. All of this confusion comes before the explanation of the T in Tesla Symbol.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 2 жыл бұрын
In a 3 phase motor do you always have 6 poles on the stator and on the rotor? I was surprised when they showed 6 and 4 but I wasn't sure if that was intentional or just a mistake.
@matiasrubio7647
@matiasrubio7647 Жыл бұрын
So what was the reason why they developed the Plaid? Would be nice that the video delivered what you advertise in the title.
@cook6052
@cook6052 2 жыл бұрын
Fabuleous job! Love the simplicity in communication, particularly coming from such a heavy engineering subject.
@zukinalli
@zukinalli 20 күн бұрын
I was watching this video and was surprised to see Saietta's in-wheel motor, the one on which I was part of the mechanical engineering team during its development. Nice work on the video! Thanks
@willemvandoesselare7959
@willemvandoesselare7959 2 жыл бұрын
Simply years behind Lucid .
@DarylOster
@DarylOster 25 күн бұрын
In technology yes, in profitability the other way around...
@brunonikodemski2420
@brunonikodemski2420 2 жыл бұрын
Both comments below are correct. For any H-bridge (1-2-3-6-12-phases, as many needed), IF you get a short across either the reverse rectifiers or IGBTs, Fets, SCRs, Bipolars, or the forward looking device, then when you get a signal to reverse the bridge (as for braking or regeneration), you immediately get a full short circuit. Either through the motor, or across the power bus. If across the power bus, a circuit breaker or fuse is required to save the battery, and prevent a fusing-fire. Usually the power devices in the inverters just blow-up (I have photos of such), or the wiring (or PWB traces) act as a fuse, and disintegrate. If the reversal happens go to through the motor windings, then sometimes the motor resistance is high enough to prevent immediate fusing (depends on motors). In that case, the high-current short acts as a simple "magnet" on the '"active field element" (could be either rotor or stator), and you get an high-flux pole through whatever winding it happens to be on. This usually leads to enormous forces (limited by saturation flux), which often cause the rotor to wobble violently, and sometimes self destruct against the stator. Also this causes uncontrolled de-celleration of the rotor, since that flux is larger than any of the rest of fields, and acts as an immediate brake. We've seen motors stop-dead in milliseconds, from such an event. Typically also, the motor windings often blow-out, usually at the connection points. In railroad engines & inverters, where IGBT operating currents can run to 2000+amperes, the short circuit currents are often ten-times larger. Typically in those usages, there are fuses (of some type), at every pass-through path in the bridge. That serves to disconnect the motor windings immediately from the power bus, and allows the motor to continue operation on the remaining windings. Cyclo-converter drives also have similar problems, as used in ships drives. In cases where servicing cannot be done in real-time, such protective fusing methods are very often employed and the vehicle continues to limp along at reduced power, on the remaining phases. In single-path DC motors this simply disconnects the motor, which then simply free-wheels.
@JIMMY_NEMESIS
@JIMMY_NEMESIS 2 жыл бұрын
This episode is pretty amazing, seriously more tesla knowledge please 😅😇
@1988gellertgal
@1988gellertgal 2 жыл бұрын
@14:19 Slower not faster, the inner wheel must turn slower and the wheel on the outside must turn faster, because it has to travel a longer distance. Nice video! Thanks for share your knoledge.
@petercyrus8286
@petercyrus8286 2 жыл бұрын
three phase induction motor is very different from permanent magnet motor
@leonsantamaria9845
@leonsantamaria9845 Жыл бұрын
Maestro... Nikola Tesla.... thank you for everything you do for us...
@McClarinJ
@McClarinJ 2 жыл бұрын
No, the OUTER wheel has to turn faster when rounding a corner.
@Rick9482
@Rick9482 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video very much! Proud owner of a M3 Dual and of course , stock shares. Anyone against EV vehicles just hasn't lived with one. It's so obviously superior to any ICE vehicle. What I find most fascinating is that no one has come up with a better motor or even matched Tesla's in power or efficiency. Hard to grasp how such a new company can do motor design better than any other.
@jameslmorehead
@jameslmorehead 2 жыл бұрын
Drive from El Paso to San Antonio, then come tell me how much better an EV is to an ICE.
@Rick9482
@Rick9482 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameslmorehead What's your point?
@DavidLayton1
@DavidLayton1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rick9482 I think his reply was that EV are far from perfect for everyone. Tests have shown that you can only go about 80 miles (dependent on battery and motor setup) pulling a 6000 lb trailer. The trailer I pull is 19,300 lbs. I would have to pull and additional trailer full of batteries and solar panels in order to go anywhere. There are several more drawbacks, but the huge one in my mind is that the excavator used to mine the lithium uses more fuel excavating minerals for one Tesla battery than my truck will in its entire lifespan. How is this good for anything? Most electricity is made by either coal or natural gas turbines (take a look at Hoover Dam and Lake Mead. When are those hydro-electric turbines going to go dry as well). Like I said, as it sits right now, EV is not the complete answer.
@Rick9482
@Rick9482 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidLayton1 An EV is definitely superior to ICE, it's not even a contest. What gets used in the batteries I expect will see ongoing changes as new technology is developed. Right now, it doesn't work for you but if your of average age, you'll be driving an EV in the near future, it's inevitable!
@nealramsey4439
@nealramsey4439 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the outer wheel spin faster going around a turn? at 18min That is a stargate motor if I've ever seen one. Rather than stacking the magnets on the outside though they used the stargate configuration on the inside most like adding more magnetic flux to an already powerful magnetic.
@DarylOster
@DarylOster 25 күн бұрын
Unless it's an open differential on a high powered car on a tight corner at full throttle - then the inside wheel can turn much faster (while making lots of noise and smoke)...
@PrologRocks
@PrologRocks 2 жыл бұрын
You have probably already heard this comment, but you mentioned that the inside wheel needs to spin faster than the outside wheel when going around a turn during your discussion about the differential. It is the opposite though. The inside wheel needs to spin slower than the outside wheel. The outside wheel has more distance to cover than the inside wheel, so it needs to spin faster than the inside wheel. Other than that, your video was accurate and informative.
@TamagoHead
@TamagoHead 2 жыл бұрын
In general, larger motors are more efficient, the inverse for transistor switching where smaller is better. The new frontier is driven by smart high-speed semiconductors that end up to very high wattage semi-conductors with very specific chemistry & reaction characteristics. Add to that the new permanent magnet alloys with higher curie points & add in new induction motor designs made possible by computers as high speed intelligent relays, & it’s hard to keep up with you don’t have a magnetic personality or are not in the field.
@nobodistribe6092
@nobodistribe6092 2 жыл бұрын
Thud video was so well made and edited. I was fascinated through the whole video. Even though I know a lot about this topic I still feel I learned a lot from this video.
@ElectricEdgeAi
@ElectricEdgeAi 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the 'explosive fuse' is detonated when there's a airbag deployment... therefore, immediately disconnecting power to the motors.
@fmh357
@fmh357 2 жыл бұрын
That was very satisfying for a techie like me. Thanks.
@highpointsights
@highpointsights 2 жыл бұрын
the inner wheel will turn slower!!!
@mrdddeeezzzweldor5039
@mrdddeeezzzweldor5039 2 жыл бұрын
At 14:23, regarding differential action, the script indicates that when the vehicle is going around a corner, the inner wheel has to spin faster. Assuming that the 'inner' wheel is logically the one toward the inside of the corner, it has the lesser distance (smaller circle) to travel and thus less distance than the outer wheel (larger circle). Then to maintain a constant speed through a corner, the outer wheel must make more rotations than the inner wheel, thus the outer wheel must spin faster (more rpm) by some degree than the inner wheel.
@Advoc8te4Truth
@Advoc8te4Truth 2 жыл бұрын
When you hear idiots like Gordon Johnson who loves to state that Tesla has no competitive advantage Technologically or Materially it just puts things into context. Only 3-4 years ago Tesla was at 100k units a year and ramping up the the Model 3. Now we're at 1.5 million and the Model 3 and Y are two of the most popular Cars in the world. And that's not just for EV's that includes ICE with a clear lead in the US and Europe. I don't know whether Tesla can get to 20 million units by 2030 but even if they only got to 10, 12 or 15 million is anyone going to really be calling it a failure? Afterall even at 10million units per year which is where Toyota and VW were before COVID neither company came close to Tesla's gross margin! So 10 million units at an average of 30% plus gross margin would mean a gross profit of 180 billion? Not bad considering the experts have been writing off Tesla since it was founded.
@lionelwylie2326
@lionelwylie2326 2 жыл бұрын
Poor old Gordon is beyond an Idiot. I think they only put him on shows these days is to give us all a laugh. Every court needs a Fool.
@gregfredericks5201
@gregfredericks5201 2 жыл бұрын
Good job and good use of existing content on KZbin.
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@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland 2 жыл бұрын
@1:27 Why does the vid show a pic of Guglieimo Marconi with his world's first radio telegraph while talking about Nikola?
@rickrack78
@rickrack78 2 жыл бұрын
Quite likely, they are not using epoxy resin in the composite sleeve. With the tension required to pre-tension the carbon fiber, it would squeeze an epoxy resin out during the winding. A thermoplastic resin with a high melting point works better. Electric motors run at fairly high temperatures, this is why a high temperature resin is needed. Winding the carbon fiber over the magnets requires high tension if you want the sleeve to maintain radial pressure when the rotor shrinks at low temperature.
@johnmushinski2255
@johnmushinski2255 2 жыл бұрын
Well done Tesla Space team!
@jb5music
@jb5music 2 жыл бұрын
You sort of skipped right past the most important functional detail that the copper wire wrapped around the metallic core is what causes the magnetism when you send the electricity through the copper wire. You have to show that whole example where you take a steel bar and wrap an extension cord around it and plug it into the wall and the steel bar becomes a magnet because the extension cord is wrapped in a spiral motion around the steel bar. That's the core functionality of how an electric motor works.
@DrewTeter
@DrewTeter 2 жыл бұрын
Yes... but also no. Current flowing through a wire will create a magnetic field even without any iron core. Wrapping the wire into a coil (again, with a current running through it) will produce a magnetic field that functions exactly like a permanent magnet. The reason to include an iron core is that the magnetic domains present in iron, normally random, will orient themselves to align with a strong enough external magnetic field. This ends up amplifying the original magnetic field leading to a stronger and more efficient motor. But, ultimately, the core is optional, not a requirement.
@schabetc
@schabetc 2 жыл бұрын
YERY interesting and well presented. Nice job and thank you.
@dannywitz
@dannywitz Жыл бұрын
Nice work- others mentioned a few similar items… friendly “corrections” 1. Induction motors do not have permanent magnets! This is one of the main reasons they are amazing! (The squirrel cage of aluminum bars in the rotor becomes magnetic in response to the external electro magnets). Please revisit this in a future video, I like your work 2. Outer wheels go faster… check out the movie “my cousin Vinny” irreverent reference but fun.
@ekulda
@ekulda Жыл бұрын
Danny, Please elaborate, Im learning this subject so i can implement it in one project. Thank you. More the better.
@jaybyrdcybertruck1082
@jaybyrdcybertruck1082 2 жыл бұрын
Tesla is the king of innovation and manufacturing.
@grahamswett6430
@grahamswett6430 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. First time I have heard an explanation of the Tesla logo. Thank you!
@jorgerobles628
@jorgerobles628 2 жыл бұрын
WOW man, you hit a Super Grand Slam in this video!!!!!! Sup;er Clear and easy explanation covering all the details of why the Plaid is the strongest and most advanced electric motor!! You were even more clear than Munro's video, and that was a super video too!!!!! Keep on your good track and work!!!!!!!
@GoTellJesusSaves
@GoTellJesusSaves 2 жыл бұрын
That motor is crazy small for how powerful it is!
@johnconnor7501
@johnconnor7501 11 ай бұрын
I think I am starting to see why people appreciate Tesla.
@4200Shields
@4200Shields 5 ай бұрын
this was super informative! Thank you for all the hard work that went into this video
@ehleste
@ehleste 2 жыл бұрын
Thank u for explaining this to me :)
@johnpublicprofile6261
@johnpublicprofile6261 2 жыл бұрын
WHY AN EXPLOSIVE FUSE: My guess is to protect in a crash the rest of the car from induced power coming from the motors. They already had explosive fuses to isolate the battery if an emergency event happens.
@klantic2
@klantic2 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work, content, and information.
@roppenheimer12
@roppenheimer12 2 жыл бұрын
Your diagram at 6:20 shows a wound rotor with brushes and a commutator, not a permanent magnet rotor.
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