I am continually amazed at this type of ruin. There truly seems to be no access, yet these spaces were altered by people. Whether they lived there or just stored food, it is a silent testament to a people who lived long ago. Thank you for finding this and sharing it!
@jnm20882 ай бұрын
They did it just like other natives, with ropes, baskets and pulleys. A lot of these structures have logs sticking out of them.
@danielreed51992 ай бұрын
@@jnm2088 No, it was aliens or bigfoot or maybe an alien bigfoot.
@1nvisible12 ай бұрын
*Cave #3 for the win. I've never seen vertical stick supports intertwined with the stone before. Makes sense, even if you were going to remove them or burn them away later.* *Cave #2 Do the woodent 'brackets' encircle the door header like a giant "U" or staple? Modern retaining wall builders stoll use something similar to tieback the front wall into the hillside.*
@feelinghealingfrequences71792 ай бұрын
no access to the cannibals only access for residents
@waynethepain86282 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if the cave entrances were right above water level back then.🤔
@scottperine80272 ай бұрын
All of the caves were beautiful but cave 2 with that wall was simply amazing,thank you for all that you do Jeff.
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
Cave 2 was my favorite! Thanks for watching, Scott!
@nontrashfire22 ай бұрын
@@TheTrekPlannerThe answer is thoughtfully.
@JeffreymartАй бұрын
@@TheTrekPlanner Where did they get water?
@bethanydawson20697 күн бұрын
@@TheTrekPlanner@rogermartin404 has commented recently saying that cave 2 is rebuild by an archaeology class between 1980-83. Go pick his brains and make a part 2
@bethbaker75492 ай бұрын
I love the drone footage with the trek notes. So engaging. I appreciate the effort that goes into the editing as well as the exploring.
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
Thank you for saying that! I try to make the trek notes interesting!
@jburnett81522 ай бұрын
Remarkable find. Leaves a person with more questions than answers. The drone is a true asset.
@flomoloko3602 ай бұрын
You are an American hero for doing this. You've got it documented if nothing else, and that's precious. Thank you.
@kenjohnston12572 ай бұрын
The father of a buddy of mine was hired by the USGS to photograph ancient ruins in Glen Canyon before the Glen Canyon dam was built. I've seen his photos and a lot of the ruins looked really similar to the dwelling at 7:30, sturdy walls with neat square windows. If you want to see them today you'll need scuba gear
@jerry-xi4gi2 ай бұрын
as with many ancient sites, the powers that be, believe it or not, actually use dams to hide "things" or give them exclusive access, it's been shown over and over again.
@Chelsea-cz8ch2 ай бұрын
Wow, he should publish those photos in a book. "The Lost History of Glen Canyon" or something similar. I know I'd buy a copy!
@robdunsdon34912 ай бұрын
My great grandfather worked at Hoover and said the same thing. There are many Native sites in both lakes that aren't supposed to be there. Most man-made lakes and reservoirs are covering Native settlements. It's crazy
@jerry-xi4gi2 ай бұрын
@@robdunsdon3491 not just native settlements... ancient caves, palaces, mounds, temples...you name it, if the "history" writers want something disappeared...build a dam..!!!
@Astralpains2 ай бұрын
@@robdunsdon3491they did the same shit with mount rushmore..that site was a sacred religious grounds and two weeks later the government bulldozed it anyways to start on rushmore
@cliffboulton87632 ай бұрын
As an 82 year old UK resident, this is the sort of History I wish I'd been taught at at school. I'm not interested in Henry 8th and his wives names, nor how they died. Who Cares anyway? Keep up your great work, I look forward to every new video.
@paulapridy68042 ай бұрын
Part of my enjoyment of your content is your non invasive observation. Love it❤
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that, Paul! Thank you 🙂
@chrisk282 ай бұрын
Wow, this is a spectacularly scenic site. The history behind this must be mind blowing! Thanks so much for sharing!
@johnbruce28682 ай бұрын
Problematically, as the people who built these structures didn't write and keep records. Other than what is preserved archaeologically, there is no history. Sadly, there can only be a theoretical reconstruction and commentary upon their lives.
@SueEifler2 ай бұрын
Thank you for courageously undertaking difficult treks/bushwhacking and simply keeping at it no matter what! You have a great eye for spotting ruins! Impossible to imagine their access! That they exist is mind boggling! We, your viewers, are becoming very dedicated to your channel, seems none of us are gonna miss an adventure! Be encouraged as you have expanded our horizons, as well as have inspired many to do explorations, or to have the joy of resting while watching! You are an original! Thank you for sharing your heart, journeys and simply being you.
@abbynormal2062 ай бұрын
I adore your channel and the respect you show the land. Keep keepin on!
@russward26122 ай бұрын
This has been a good couple of days for my KZbin feeds. Yesterday, I went camping in a homemade tent with my friend Steve in Alberta, today I hung out with my friend "The Quiet Nerd" in a homebuilt electric camper. Now, I get to explore some lost archeological sites right in my own backyard. This was amazing. Thanks, man.
@RemoteCamper2 ай бұрын
I appreciate you getting so close and into the caves with the drone. Most people either are too careful or not skilled enough to get so close and it leaves you empty wanting more. You get right in there and we can see everything.
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget, water level was way higher back then. As the water level dropped, they had to live lover and lower. When the land dried up, food likely began to be scarce. Animals probably moved to where the water sources were and the indigenous people probably just moved with them, seasonally. The desert is extreme- it is extremely hot in the day and extremely cold at night. You use up a lot of energy having to go so far for your food and water and eventually, it makes sense to re-locate. They were very sophisticated. Iron-age people weren’t grunting cave people. They were expert farmers, hunters, artisans (baskets, pottery, jewelry) and masons. They knew how to fashion the best bows and arrows and weapons that people still make that way today. Those flint arrows are deadly sharp- even when excavated a thousand years after it was dropped or left behind. It was akin to being their idea of a paper plate. Nomadic people.
@aylalawone7049Ай бұрын
Couldnt agree more . There may have been primitive cultures but by and large , the peoples were innovative, intuitive, and determined.
@JamesJones-cx5pk2 ай бұрын
Looking at the smoke marks near cave one makes me think that the platforms or shelves have fallen or been destroyed.🤔👍👍 Great video. We love it.
@Be_brave_and_true2 ай бұрын
I love your curiosity and determination!
@lucindajennings1482 ай бұрын
Between the caves with ruins...and the gorgeous scenery this was a great hike!!😊 Thank you!
@deadmaniam38182 ай бұрын
I was getting worried that you pulled a Kenny Veach on us.....thankful you are still going.
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
I am still here!! 🙂Have a TON of exciting new things coming soon 🙂
@deadmaniam38182 ай бұрын
@@TheTrekPlanner That is awesome Jeff. I wish I had the freedom to do what you do. I live in far west Texas at the junction of south, central New Mexico. So much to see here, but I can only dream of doing what you do. 👍
@KisheaCrowl2 ай бұрын
😂
@jasonhuntley99272 ай бұрын
@@deadmaniam3818go see the Marfa lights! They’re south of the Davies mountains. It’s unexplainable.
@mmadman2 ай бұрын
What a unique and verdant canyon. It’s easy to understand why someone would want to live there. So different from the more common desert climate. It’s hard to imagine people actually accessed the seemingly impossible to reach caves. Great video in a beautiful environment. We appreciate your explorations!
@amazed67962 ай бұрын
Incredible! Too many questions without answers, I think we're more than privileged not to have to find refuge way up there. Thank you for taking us with you on this amazing discovery. Beautiful nature.
@jusduhfaxmam2 ай бұрын
The squareness of the window opening in cave 2 is crazy, using ancient tools seems like would have taken forever
@thomasschimmeyer87152 ай бұрын
This is by far my favorite ancient dwelling in the USA. It tops Chaco canyon for me even though it is far more primitive. People tend to picture tribes being locked to a region like European cultures, territory was not permanent for these tribes. You have to picture it almost like a human tide, ebbs and flows of each tribe leading to expansion and contraction. Even direct migration although that was a sure way to find direct confrontation. Sites like this show that so clearly, you build like this to not get raided. Native tribes increased their numbers by capturing slaves, although slave to them had a varied meaning. A native slave who was captured could become a full fledged member of the tribe. You are most vulnerable while asleep and the last site you showed is a perfect spot for one watchmen to look over 20 people sleeping. The logs are stretching across the gap to make a platform, most likely with a hole for a ladder. You could pull the ladder up once you are all inside then lay it diagonally so the rung blocks the hole. I can picture it in my mind so clearly, I bet the dry stone walls blocked the light from their fires perfectly. Edit) I just looked at it closer. If you look at the soot staining on the rocks below this structure they appear to have been smoked out at some point or at least the attempt was made to dislodge someone from there. It looks like they started a big fire in one spot and then the wind shifted and they adjusted the location of the fire.
@harridan.2 ай бұрын
thank you for taking me with you!
@Valwitt22 ай бұрын
Wow. If I could go back in time I would love to see the people creating these caves, and for what purpose. A mystery lost in time. Thanks for the tour!
@PRMLA777Ай бұрын
They build this to protect them self from the giants . Giants use to live all over the world and they been man eaters and also been slaving people to hunt food for them . Native people been fighting them and killed them all. That's a reason why they build their dwellings high in the caves of cliffs . Giant skeletons been found in many places in America, but been hidden from the public, because it would proof that the Holly Bible is true book inspired by God and he is the only true living God.
@susyclearwater19202 ай бұрын
You're becoming quite the professional teacher. That was so fun
@kennyw8712 ай бұрын
Stunning drone coverage. Excellent job piloting the drone. You deserve a documentary award for your work.
@scottthomas71472 ай бұрын
Jeff Since Cave 2 only has what appears to be a window, it would make sense that Cave 1 and 2 are connected internally
@richardpearl17312 ай бұрын
Nice location for the drone footage on those ruins it’s always been a joy to go on another adventure no matter how far away you travel to these it’s always worth seeing and experiencing the sights. Thank you.
@rodmact65482 ай бұрын
Great find Jeff! Amazing! Thanks again for taking us along to share your discovery. It's such a treat for me to "get out" and see these surprising historical artifacts.
@EKAdventures512 ай бұрын
You are sure off the trail on this hike, thanks for the adventure
@bernadettecrawford36562 ай бұрын
❤amazing how ingenious of the natives. Thanks for sharing and showing respect to the ancient ones x
@alwilliams35332 ай бұрын
Your drone capabilities are nothing short of amazing, Jeff! Here, we’re shown up close and personal, without even being close at all! So, very cool, and such a different setting than normal. It made me feel cooler! Loved it, loved it, loved it! Again, thank you!
@michaelschuenemann35052 ай бұрын
Outstanding Drone Views - what a Beautiful Landscape ! 3 Great Caves - 3 Brilliant Ruins ! Thanks for taking Us ! Many Cheers from Australia !
@pmboord2 ай бұрын
This was an absolutely beautiful location
@ruinsandridges2 ай бұрын
Very interesting find! Cave #3 ruin so different with the wood stacked like that and rocks without mortar. I think David Roberts mentions in the book some ruins that are very hard to reach and some still had original logs stacked up so you can tell how they would climb on the tree log and into the ruin.
@tullyontherocks2 ай бұрын
Holy cow! The beauty of that hideaway, and safety, and water. So much fear and hiding, the latest out of Chaco canyon points toward cannibalism from the South. Northern migrating Aztec, but it's all lost in the sands of history.
@Green.Country.Agroforestry2 ай бұрын
Southern migrating - they hadn't become Aztecs yet. The same group encountered the Paiute to the Northwest, but the Paiutes fought back, trapping THEM in a cave.
@sandramowery67272 ай бұрын
The Drone footage was wonderful. We saw what was there with No risk ! Thank You So Much !
@the7thdirection4222 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking us on your adventure!
@nitaibishop2 ай бұрын
I can just imagine the view these ancients had …… pristine beauty. Thanks for revealing these relics of a forgotten story. Really fantastic!
@MegaCharger92 ай бұрын
Really curious to see what you discovered and most importantly got up there? Love your video’s and how you take us through time historically. The trail looks like it could have been a old logging road, or could lead to a old homestead or mine. The wood brackets actually resemble some kind of old vine. From watching your footage I think that access to the caves was achieved from above, shorter distance and there are ledges. The protruding log may have used to lift supplies from down below. All in all this was a really great video and has me doing some research.
@adamward93102 ай бұрын
Best 14 minutes of my week. Thank you Jeff!!!❤❤❤❤😊❤❤❤❤
@Janer-522 ай бұрын
I agree! Perhaps Jeff will give us a longer video someday.
@Janer-522 ай бұрын
Yes - I'd love a half hour video. I know he works full time and has other responsibilities, but maybe he could film one, edit it slowly, and release it later in the year. "A Desert Christmas Special" maybe?
@TexasGal49812 ай бұрын
Jeff, thanks for showing us these ancient caves. There might have been wood steps or stones to climb up, or maybe ropes… they may have laid tall trees one on top of the other, wedged in knotches, to climb up there. And then pulled up the last tree so no one could climb up at night
@SongOfSongsOneTwelve2 ай бұрын
It was typically very tall wooden ladders.
@mikeholmes58242 ай бұрын
Another fascinating video. I bet whoever decided to settle there was so glad to have all those different trees available.
@jd-ku3iw2 ай бұрын
Looking forward to seeing it.😮
@bernie6612 күн бұрын
Thank you for bringing your videos. You bring others to places they never would have known of. I am an Indigious Native person of the Hopi/Tewa tribe and I know many others can't do what you do, so your trips are educational and respectful. There are many Indigious tribes throughout the world and just imigine what others have lift for us to explore. Thank you and stay safe during your travels. Sending happy thoughts and blessing to your family for letting you do this. 🫶🙂🏜
@bluwtrgypsy2 ай бұрын
Truly amazing and remarkable you found those caves. Outstanding drone work. Thank you for this exciting site. Stay safe.
@Ddax-td7qy2 ай бұрын
This trek is most dramatic one for me. Most scenic forest canyons and cliffs, most outlandish ruins. Very cool, my man!
@cheryldueck3182 ай бұрын
To me, this might be the most beautiful area you have filmed yet. (Though maybe I need to go back and rewatch again!) It’s just so gorgeous - the colour differences in the rock, the water wear circular patterns in the rock (from ancient eddies one would guess?), and the beautiful forest. Wow! Then, that incredibly preserved “room”. Amazing 😮
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
I agree with you, Cheryl! It was reminiscent of the mountains where I grew up and it just felt good to explore in 'familiar' territory!
@joannzwart86172 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this with us. And I also commend you for your respect for the ruins and the people who built them. Well done!❤
@daisymay41832 ай бұрын
It is a wonder how the ancient people lived up in such high places. How did they get up there?? This was a fascinating video 😊
@wout1231002 ай бұрын
ropes, woodpole ladders.
@janettetippetts79422 ай бұрын
Those ruins were great! I hope they stay in the condition they are in now. Thank you for sharing them with us, Jeff! Love your videos!
@glenn711442 ай бұрын
Thanks Jeff. We love hiking and finding stuff by accident.
@joycebrewer4150Ай бұрын
Except, he researched really carefully before going to these locations.
@stephaniebergen97252 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing us the caves, I drive out there and always look from the road. Awesome shots.
@Stuie4442 ай бұрын
Makes me feel like a baby when I used to whine about climbing to my 2nd floor apartment with arms of grocery bags...simply amazing. I am *almost* just as impressed that you are able to find these sites!
@Jan-pw4po2 ай бұрын
Jeff, great video, I love the way you honor these ancient sites
@rainemarsh84092 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking us along with you!
@gailhowes93982 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for taking us along❣️
@barbinfl40792 ай бұрын
Beautiful scenery. Great drone footage. Thanks!
@SmallWonda20 күн бұрын
Amazing! Very interested to hear about the plants & trees you see on your explorations. Cheers.
@tamirundell83922 ай бұрын
Thanks for the new video!
@TheTrekPlanner2 ай бұрын
I hope you enjoy it 🙂
@tamirundell83922 ай бұрын
You don't let me down. Have a good weekend!
@JackieOdonnel2 ай бұрын
Thanks for being super respectful and educating us, while also exploring as much as you can. What an incredible find!
@TronixGuy932 ай бұрын
Knowledge of the past is at a premium. There is a lot that we will never know and when discovered everything is done to prevent us from learning about it.
@elliepascoe59542 ай бұрын
Wow Jeff, this is your most beautiful find yet! Blown away by the construction details.Fascinating! ❤🇳🇱
@WalkingExcursions2 ай бұрын
Hats off for professionalism! This channel isn't just a travel channel, it's a way of telling life as it is, bringing us the on-the-ground realities of the hottest spots around the globe.
@dragonlea139792 ай бұрын
Those ruins are some of the most amazing I have seen. Thank you for taking us there!!
@richardwilson8612 ай бұрын
It's easy for me to watch your enjoyable program because you do all the foot work
@DeltaKiloExotics2 ай бұрын
You find such amazing places, so grateful for you and what you share, much appreciated, One Love!
@cWatts-zv3oo2 ай бұрын
One word! Spectacular! Thanks for taking us along.😊
@ninney79415 күн бұрын
That is amazing. If only we could travel back in time to see these ancient places in use.
@jf-be4zy2 ай бұрын
I have never seen the wood poles placed vertical like that before. Thank you again for the adventure.
@OneSon7442 ай бұрын
for blankets?
@dunno6442Ай бұрын
@@OneSon744to hold the wall together
@broderickelliott8527Ай бұрын
That was amazing. The mystery of these places grips me with such intensity while I'm viewing these videos.
@icandivideos57432 ай бұрын
This was fascinating Jeff! Great intro and outro!
@raytheron2 ай бұрын
Love this one too! These sites are amazing. I wonder who BJ Bishop was and how he got there to scratch his name under the window in cave 2.
@antiplanner2 ай бұрын
Jeff, the "blueberries" you found look like Oregon grape. They aren't poisonous but they aren't sweet either so it was just as well that you didn't try to eat them.
@ElaineDSmith2 ай бұрын
I love your channel! AS A CHILD IN 1960, I LIVED IN LOS CRUES NM. My Daddy was stationed at White Sands. Every weekend we explored like you but without your modern tech things. Wonderful memories, thanks.
@pixelpeter38832 ай бұрын
Those look incredible hard to reach. And they had to get all that material (rocks, wood, mortar) up there too!
@rca-in-glasgow678114 күн бұрын
Very cool! As an architect I found it super inspiring, and great message about respecting ruins.
@M4r1a_Schn332 ай бұрын
stop at 7:49 ... its not unreachable. there is a stonecarving naming BJ Bishop, 1 st and on the right of Bishop you find Gavin Lavell.
@crazynanaailese2 ай бұрын
Not that I can see
@mariusenigma17832 күн бұрын
You never find something "by accident". It's your faith to find those places. How much can we find and don't understand ... Thanks people like you to discover such places. The world is so huge and also strange ... TY
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
5:30 The reason the people built in such secure areas, was indeed for security. What is NOT discussed is the reason they did this was because of cannibalism, opposing tribes hunted each other for food, the fact has been research and proven thoroughly, and it's not a rare ceremonial thing. They ate each other as a staple.
@joanneleclair51702 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤
@Skibiditoiletrizz6662 ай бұрын
Those are Oregon grape and are extremely high in antibiotic properties. I use them all the time, and I dry them and store them for use in the winter months.
@anneamus2 ай бұрын
WHAT kinds of pressures caused human communities to live like that when there was abundant level ground available??
@shannonwhitaker96302 ай бұрын
Well, the early explorers and settlers referred to many tribes as “Savages”. Their way of life as being savages started a long time ago spanning many thousands of years before “civilized” people arrived. What confuses the issue is that people from other distant regions apparently came into these areas briefly with their own types “Savagery” which may included ritualistic routine human sacrifice, cannibalism and slavery. In “recent” times we know that many tribes had the practice of scalping people alive and engaged in many types of extremely cruel torture and mutilation. So it does not take much pondering to realize why these “cave dwellers” took such extreme measures to survive. They had no choice apparently less they cease to exist. What is difficult to understand is the timeline of when many things happened. Some things may have taken place 300 years ago and others 2000 years ago or 10,000. There are layers and layers of events spanning a lot of time with different people being involved. We will never have a clear picture of the events and a timeline to go along with it. What is very strange is that at some point in “recent” history these areas apparently became an empty quarter of sorts. The experts say people self-evacuated or were for the most part eradicated for a period of time. It’s all quite the mystery.
@wout1231002 ай бұрын
probably small familygroups that hunted each other also.
@marylavine26322 ай бұрын
All 3 caves are remarkable. Thank full for your drone.
@Mountlougallops2 ай бұрын
Wow.
@lindaj54922 ай бұрын
7:11 That large boulder inside has deep parallel grooves that resemble those left from dynamite blasting.
@Michelle-fh2dp2 ай бұрын
You should tell some Archaeologists about this because construction is so different. Cave 2 had no door? How did they get in?
@histock123452 ай бұрын
Maybe some entrance from behind
@jlacy732 ай бұрын
Local archaeologists are well aware of these ruins.
@kathietee2912 ай бұрын
JEFF, another awesome video! Love the forest in this one! Thanks for showing us the various plant life, the excellent close up drone footage of fabulous ruins, thanks for adding your trek notes, and thanks for your time and effort to get to this place, and then edit this wonderful video. I always look forward to every one you post!
@user-iw3mr2lv6f2 ай бұрын
That was fun Thanks👍🤘😁💙🇺🇸🙏🏻
@RobertSmith-wj7zfАй бұрын
Man, I wish I was young again. I squandered my life working in cubicles. Now I couldn’t hike to the end of my street. Jeff, thanks for taking me along!
@harleygould72552 ай бұрын
Ok, Cave 3. Lotta construction on that site, but it was a dead end. They had to have had some structure (likely wooden) to be able to get up there. Something similar to an inner city fire escape, where you could pull the ladder up, if needed. The other two caves, we never really could see to the back of, so it's entirely possible they're connected where we couldn't see the tunnel. I suspect there's another entrance, somewhere hidden. I'm not too sure those spaces were raided by any modern pot hunters. As someone else pointed out, if you abandoned a space, you would shatter the pottery, to release the spirits of the pots. (checking the ground below these sites would likely have shown a pottery graveyard, I imagine. We also don't know how much weathering the surrounding rock has gone through, in the intervening centuries, either, so perhaps there was an easier way to get up there. ...just my thoughts....
@barbarabliss-dt7of2 ай бұрын
Another amazing adventure. I can't tell you how much I enjoy each of these. The drone footage adds another dimension. Thank you so much for showing us what you find and all the editing you do to create these masterpieces.
@alienallen29832 ай бұрын
👍👀🙏>>>💚
@dominiquelafaille3892 ай бұрын
I just watched your interview on the Kim Komando radio show. You were very gracious in this interview and I was very happy to learn that you are now dedicating yourself to your amazing explorations full-time. Good for you! So good for us!! Also, I really appreciate your writing skills. I am curious about your background, what did you study? I LOVE your work! Keep at it, you really are the best! 💟☮️🇨🇦
@wolfc8755Ай бұрын
What a marvel!! Drones are such an asset for these adventures.
@TUCOtheratt2 ай бұрын
This location looked very unique with so many trees in the area and impossible looking approaches to the ruins. It is strange to me that they went to so much effort to live in such a difficult place to access considering that a determined enemy could place the location under siege and wait for them to run out of water.
@KarenThaler-x8vАй бұрын
I loved watching this. The ruins are so amazing and thank you for allowing me to see these ancient things. It is so fun to take the trip with you.😊
@heathmark28242 ай бұрын
I think that you underestimate how much wood was being used on the face of the cliffs. Probably platforms and stairways everywhere.
@irmuggle2 ай бұрын
Crazy.Definitely one of my top 10 of your adventures.That window and wall is just amazing.I also wonder a lot of things that you find to wonder if the authorities or the park people know that they're there and if they've all been documented
@geno92919 күн бұрын
An amazing amount of work for a secure location. These peoples must have been under incredible duress to feel compelled to build this city in the sky. The structures are not overly large, but would need a lot of people to provide support and security. Are there any structures or evidence of camps or dwellings below or above the caves? Access from the top down would appear a bit easier to manage, but it may be that ladders from below was the natural way to gain access and provide support. Excellent video, Thank You and I hope this area does not become overrun with thrill seekers and those not bent on ensuring preservation of this site!
@CWS-h5z2 ай бұрын
Thank you again, Jeff, for a great look at some amazing ancient sites - and so inaccessible. It makes me really wonder how they got there, from below or above? That cave/structure #2 was so excellent!