Is promptography the beginning or the end of an era?
@OneAndOnlySurge8 ай бұрын
@7:45 - I'm stopping you right there. I consider myself a photographic artist not a photographer mainly because I wanted to escape what I consider the banality that is the purely technical conversations that photographers must entertain. I graduated with the highest honors from art school so I know it's possible to conceptualize a body of work without the technical rearing its tedious head at every turn. I will be damned if I "need to" start giving the full itinerary to my viewers' on their trips through my art. No. I'll give them some layovers and some cash, but that's it.
@sagefaribole8 ай бұрын
no
@SurrealExposure128 ай бұрын
@@OneAndOnlySurgeso much text to say that you cannot shoot good images with just a camera and some film. But need some machine with stolen art to help out and make it easy
@TWEAKER017 ай бұрын
Obviously it's just a beginning. As he clearly stated when rejecting the award, AI imagery is simply, objectively, *not* photography.
@smug_slime8 ай бұрын
If "promptography" competition ever be a thing it would be funny if real photography is the one winning instead.
@BryceDriesenga8 ай бұрын
Ugh, these cheater analog photographers coming into real AI promptography competitions and trying to pass off their one step click-of-a-shutter-button images as real promptography. Disgusting.
@XartiXV8 ай бұрын
Would be a disaster, if no one, except the judges, know what is the real picture and what is not.
@primeryai8 ай бұрын
@@BryceDriesenga👌
@SpeakingJargon8 ай бұрын
His chess metaphor is really thought-provoking, imo. I am interested to see what the creative output of kids who grow up with access to this kind of technology will be. This may be too optimistic, but it would be really exciting to see kids using the low-effort output of playing with AI as inspiration for their artistic development, rather than an endpoint in of itself.
@andregroc8 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people stopped playing chess, so I don't think it's a great one. There's also the famous case where the go master retired after losing for the AI.
@keithfield8 ай бұрын
Actually, the game of chess is more popular then ever, due in part, by AI. Photography also spurred the development of impressionism and abstract expressionism in painting, since the camera could render scenes more accurately. As a result, painters took on new challenges. These new ways of seeing probably wouldn't have happened if Photography had never come around. New ideas, new technologies can create a positive feedback loop, rather than an ending. New art forms are born out of older ones. Photography never replaced Painting, they just grew in different directions. @@andregroc
@dibbidydoo43188 ай бұрын
@@andregroc Lots of people kept playing chess and the average chess player gotten better. The same has happened with Go.
@andregroc8 ай бұрын
@@dibbidydoo4318 you have a fair point. Was just trying to say that AI can indeed take the fun out for some people. Especially people at the top of the craft.
@n337speak8 ай бұрын
Appreciate you looking at this with an open mind. This was a really thought provoking piece.
@SaschaPallenberg8 ай бұрын
Whatever format Becca comes up with... it always makes my day. Thank you for another inspiring, open minded and revealing video!
@mars_hikes9678 ай бұрын
This is just so good. There are not many tech people here who even come close. Becca = Taylor Swift in tech.
@cousefirst13518 ай бұрын
Really interesting and unique topic here. I never realized AI art was this complex
@SequoiaElisabeth8 ай бұрын
Just the beginning of a new era in Photography, and new categories of photography. In the end, art is simply an extension of the mind.
@TWEAKER017 ай бұрын
except - objectively speaking - it's *not* photography. It can be art, but it's not photography.
@dannyomo8 ай бұрын
good to see a photographer try their hand at creating similar images and realize it's *not* actually easy if you have a destination in mind. If you just want to click the button and go with what comes up, sure, it's easy. If you have a creative vision to express, it takes skill and practice, like anything else.
@steveosaur8 ай бұрын
Thanks Becca, very nice video! Boris seems really clear-minded about this.
@sabed78 ай бұрын
I think we are in an inflection point..What Boris said in correct...there is place for both AI generated pics and physically shot pics
@cnl12138 ай бұрын
Rejecting a prestigious award to reveal that u fooled the judges is such a flex. May be it's a frivolous pursuit anyway. I am sure there is an argument on privilege in there somewhere.
@AiguilleVoodoo8 ай бұрын
It would be pretty easy to do with plagiarism. Happens all the time, in fact. The judges role is not to judge whether the creation process was authentic so I don't think he really proved any point
@primeryai8 ай бұрын
They knew it was AI generated... I don't get the whole "fooling" narrative
@cadenchurchill42968 ай бұрын
Love videos like this! Keep up the excellent work!
@BryceDriesenga8 ай бұрын
"Going forward, it's going to be important that everybody knows how the images that they're viewing were created." To an extent, I agree. People, in general, shouldn't be trying to pass AI generated images off as analog photography, for example. But, I think it's totally context dependent on whether it's important or "required" for an artist to disclose their creative process. In some situations, I think it's still totally valid, as it has been in the past, for an artist to keep their exact process as a mystery.
@OneAndOnlySurge8 ай бұрын
I consider myself a photographic artist not a photographer mainly because I wanted to escape what I consider the banality that is the purely technical conversations that photographers must entertain. I graduated with the highest honors from art school so I know it's possible to conceptualize a body of work without the technical rearing its tedious head at every turn. I will be damned if I "need to" start giving the full itinerary to my viewers' on their trips through my art. No. I'll give them some layovers and some cash, but that's it.
@SurrealExposure128 ай бұрын
@@OneAndOnlySurgehurr durr, go shoot some film and stop crying
@tobisonbrown8 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Oh wait you need more words for the algorithm. Nailed it.
@TepesLucian8 ай бұрын
Everything about AI sounds super promissing till you remember we live in a late stage capitalism era where this tool will be probably exploited to cut labor / creative cost even more.
@ijiikieru8 ай бұрын
*late stage fiat.
@ultrastrategyman48058 ай бұрын
Don't fear tech, fear the ones who owns it.
@anerdwitdacamera2048 ай бұрын
There should be a new category for the AI-generated
@jamessderby8 ай бұрын
Generative AI or GenAI is what it's called.
@I.____.....__...__8 ай бұрын
@@jamessderby Of course it already exists. EVERYTHING _already_ exists. With over 8 billion people in the world, NO thought it original, someone else always already thought of it. 🤷
@jamessderby8 ай бұрын
@@I.____.....__...__ yes
@tianrun_li.3dm8 ай бұрын
Babe wake up! Another Becca verge video just dropped
@thatphokingguy8 ай бұрын
How do we find the Seed values in photoshop generative Ai or fire fly?
@EmilTheoneandonly8 ай бұрын
Brilliant artist, brilliant subject
@matthewkeating-od6rl8 ай бұрын
Great vid
@alecubudulecu8 ай бұрын
The only problem with his whole grandstanding rejection …. It was an AI Art category of the competition. What he won was in the field of ai art generation.
@draken53795 ай бұрын
Great Video
@insom_anim8 ай бұрын
so this is basically an ad for midjourney and how to use it then?
@neon1sky8 ай бұрын
How can one get access to that discord server or bot?
@tinmank8 ай бұрын
Promtographer. Neat. now we have a new word.
@dibbidydoo43188 ай бұрын
is X the end of Y as we know it? if it's a question then No.
@HokgiartoSaliem8 ай бұрын
How to create 12, 18, 24, 36, etc megapixel from ai generated?
@I.____.....__...__8 ай бұрын
Step 1: Wait until tools to do that are created. Step 2: Use it. Step 3: Profit?
@rat_world8 ай бұрын
stable diffusion webui like automatic1111 or invokeai
@biocykle8 ай бұрын
The winning picture didn't "fool" the jury though. The artist did not try to pass it into the competition as a photograph, but as an AI generated image.
@CancunMimosa8 ай бұрын
“AI” is such a watered down term. People have become so lazy with reporting technology they use it for any step taken by a human with a computer now. Quite sad when considering AI is a topic that vastly predates our current history with computers in the 19th and 20th centuries.
@samanjj8 ай бұрын
Call it Applied Statistics
@mitchellsteindler8 ай бұрын
You have to just accept it, it's not going back the other way.
@Stranger2Sum8 ай бұрын
5:13 🤯
@nikolass83gianni8 ай бұрын
Great video ... Thanks ... 😎
@browniebizzle8 ай бұрын
Interesting
@luciliodesign62378 ай бұрын
This is why I buy Data
@Mooooty8 ай бұрын
Adapt. Evolve. Or Go Extinct.
@zuplaton8 ай бұрын
It feels me with dread, not with wonder. Still, like Becky says, can't look away
@I.____.....__...__8 ай бұрын
Did cameras fill you with dread when they came out? Oh won't someone please think of all those poor painters! 😲
@zuplaton8 ай бұрын
@@I.____.....__...__ I know, new technologies disrupt others, the engine, the car, the radio, photography, moving pictures, talking movies, TV, the internet... They probably filled others with dread. In the case of AI, it's a cognitive dread for me. What if I can never trust another image, video, audio, or whatever?
@SurrealExposure128 ай бұрын
@@I.____.....__...__the most delusional comparison of all time lmao. Sure bud
@APaleDot8 ай бұрын
Personally, I would describe it using the words of Brian Moriarty: "That sweet, sweet fusion of wonder and fear, irresistible attraction and soul-numbing dread known as awe." AI is both awe-some and awe-ful. A bit like nuclear technology in that way.
@hanve8 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@nowbiodun8 ай бұрын
I won't consider AI-generated images as real art. A new category needs to be created for "Promptography" or whatever this is.
@ChristopherNichols8 ай бұрын
Probably because you are confusing the terms art and craft
@AlmightyUniden8 ай бұрын
Art is art as long as it makes you think or feel. Whatever the medium. Whether you put more value into one creative process over another is up to you
@clololown8 ай бұрын
its art
@elessal8 ай бұрын
where the AI is trained matters not. artists are never expected to pay to the hundreds of previous artists who inspire their styles and methods. you can't demand AI to me regulated on something humans are not. luddites must understand that they either join progress or are left behind.
@caymanharas99148 ай бұрын
Nobody cares about what tools an artist uses, people care about the end result. Ai is a tool, and hopefully, it replaces people's jobs so we can do more important things.
@SurrealExposure128 ай бұрын
Absolutely completely wrong on so many levels. To actual real connoisseurs of art, the medium matters so so much.
@dibbidydoo43188 ай бұрын
@@SurrealExposure12 who are these real connoisseurs of art? people who like what you like?
@caymanharas99148 ай бұрын
@@SurrealExposure12 That's why there is 'medium' sections in museums? Even the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam had no information on mediums.. This comment/reply is all emotional response, and no facts.
@jayram18558 ай бұрын
Well these tools are not cheap 😅 we can say that.
@ShreyasYD8 ай бұрын
Neither are great cameras…
@BryceDriesenga8 ай бұрын
$10/month for Midjourney's basic plan ain't too bad
@handam0nium8038 ай бұрын
If you have a GPU with 8 GB of VRAM then you can probably run StableDiffusion on your own machine for free.
@sagefaribole8 ай бұрын
nope
@rasras21a8 ай бұрын
This is not art, this is sick.
@primeryai8 ай бұрын
Why so?
@TheManinblack10118 ай бұрын
Couldn't have fooled me
@jamessderby8 ай бұрын
AI art is Rad
@SaltSeasDev8 ай бұрын
We shall see if you are still smiling when the Verge replaces you with AI, Becca.
@user-il9qo4qc4n8 ай бұрын
lol nah
@jdi0108 ай бұрын
If he fool someone then he's no artist
@thedarkangel6138 ай бұрын
what are you talking about?!!! art is all about fooling people into caring about things that are not real 2d things.
@creeder998 ай бұрын
He didn't accept the reward for it he just want to show the possibilities
@thim08 ай бұрын
they make this sound complicated. It's really not. You could be making those "poetic" things tomorrow. Artists are good at making things sounds complicated. This is SUPER SIMPLE! If you can make similar art in a week, the art has little value, as it's ubiquitous.