They Ruined The Best Hole In Disc Golf

[@Summertop]

I think it would’ve been really poetic if AB had been able to face his demons on this hole and come out victorious. They killed their best storyline going into this year.

[@cmac1573]

They killed one of the most suspenseful holes in disc golf

[@RonnySnellman]

i agree with this take, it should not be easy to win.

[@JTNugget]

Fully agree with Brodie here.

[@cade_olson]

Its a good feeling having someone like Brodie who takes the sport seriously, is passionate and brings a vision. We need that kinda shit.

[@RebWillieD]

After hearing a little more about this, the PDGA is to blame for this. They told them it was either change to an unrated XMajor like USDGC or change the hole

[@andreaskramerdg]

Should have gone unrated xmajor in that case. I couldnt care less if a major has ratings... Really dissapointed in this change.

[@ztsb_koneko]

Still doesn't make sense from the perspective of the sport as a whole. Why is the PDGA not making an exception? Why are not they looking at the rules to make holes like this OK? Instead of spending years re-designing mando rules...

[@davidfoster2629]

The PDGA can't make a good decision when it comes to professional disc golf. The number one thing holding the sport back that is actually immediately changeable. I generally think the DGPT does most things fine ish, but they have an amateur, small time thinking partner in the PDGA who would much rather maintain control of the sport at the professional level, than grow it at the professional level and make it as entertaining as possible.

[@justbrowsing5279]

So what was the problem with the x tier option. Everybody loves the USDGC. And it isn't unrated. They get round ratings that just don't count towards player ratings. Everyone is always bashing ratings anyway. This was Jussi's choice and he chose wrong.

[@StSgry]

@@justbrowsing5279 Ok Mr. Armchair-pro

[@baertheblader9402]

I was SPECIFICALLY excited for European open to see AB get redemption on that hole. This is a total bummer. I actually really liked the BUNKR rule.

[@trev3971]

Capping any hole at +2 is insanity.

[@villehytonen7279]

Couldn’t agree more. Such holes should not exist.

[@Ba4rden]

This is such a bummer. I was looking forward to spectating this hole in particular but this change absolutely kills the excitement

[@NorthStateNate]

There needs to be a players union, all 1000 rated players are in, others can apply, and all rule changes and course edits are approved by it first.

[@zpdietirch]

I am dumbfounded that someone was that disconnected with the fan experience to make this change.

[@Elthetaco]

The old rules were awesome because you could always lay up to the right up the fairway and high would add a strike. It it was safe. You could be rewarded for RISK. Or penalized for risk. They took that all away. They took away a clutch moment.

[@untrustworthyshelfing9953]

It would be cool to get AB's take. I wouldn't be surprised if he was pissed that he doesn't get redemption. Let competitors compete!

[@dawson_beck32]

This is why Northwoods is the greatest course on tour. Every hole is extremely challenging and makes scoring separation so large. They screwed the EU Open with that rule change

[@alincoln8377]

Time for the pro game to entirely abandon the PDGA

[@KyleEberdtDiscGolf]

Highly agree with the Pro Tour becoming too easy. These open hyzer-style golf courses are getting so boring to watch every week. Those holes are just way too easy for the top guys and it gets very repetitive with little suspense. This does nothing but drive more people away from watching which sucks because disc golf should be so much bigger

[@isaacbrown2393]

TOTALLY agree. I don't think that any hole should essentially get a cap on its score. Maybe show some grace and have a drop zone when there's a water carry and someone throws 3 straight shots in the water, and even then, MAYBE. Crazy that they changed this hole. Very disappointing.

[@jeppex4686]

Finally someone with balls to call out woke PDGA

[@EugeeFGII]

So I throw 350 feet on average. I can't do worse than a 6 on this hole. LOL

[@RaleighRich]

2 mins in & I'm nodding my head up & down & agreeing that this is ludicrous! Totally f'd up that hole for no reason!

[@HarveyDent523]

I would love to hear AB's take on this. That'll give you everything you need

[@MrTheShire]

I would love to watch a tournament where the top pros struggle to stay even par

[@djsltx4378]

Totally agree! They ruined that hole . Nothing more to say than that.

[@ryanrutherford3309]

I totally agree about it being too easy. It's fun to see players go 14 under par sometimes, but every round there's guys not having to make a single difficult shot or put in a tough position. How are you supposed to know who's the best when they aren't forced to find their way out of tough spots?

[@Frank-wr7vj]

So if you lay up your tee shot inbounds 100 feet. then throw your 2nd shot ob on purpose you then get to take shot 4 for par from DZ2? Am I hearing that right?

[@Uptempojetro]

Correct. I had a chance to play this layout and did exactly that. Makes no sense

[@tonyntash]

Not an Amazing hole on the Euro tour but these changes castrate the enjoyment and fun of the chase on the back 9 here for sure. Bad move PDGA.

[@CoryE42]

I fully agree. Don’t make it easy. I don’t want to justify the hole change but my thought is, what are the other players doing when you have to throw your bag trying to get on the island? They are sitting. Waiting and icing up. I think the change was made for pace of play. If you ask me pace of play is the number one thing player complain about during a round. Soooo… it was a weight of options to me. Is pace of play more important or is being a punishing hole more important?

[@Possu81]

Really liking those tracks best where pros play around E - -6 per round

[@vinkta]

Play from where you were last inbounds. Your disc must touch inbounds on the island to proceed to the island. Island holes are only cool when they're on natural islands, peninsulas, or river bends. Fake island holes are a sign of bad course design.

[@brentfaubert2553]

@BrodieSmith I think an idea would be give 1 major or 1 DGPT Elite Plus(4 rounds) the Ledgestone Stroke and Distance treatment. (For those that don’t know, 2015? (Simon beat Paul in a playoff, in case I’m on the wrong year) Eureka Temp played all OB shots received 1 penalty shot and gained no distance(no advancing to OB line) I think giving the DGPT 1 event(rotate it even, so it’s not the same event) per year would eliminate the “getting easier” tag

[@Richard-r7z1l]

Would love to see a as hard as humanly possible course for majors

[@clintsawyer7702]

Brodie, you just solved the problem. That is how you beat the PDGA at making these stupid decisions. You show them how stupid the decision is. Get a players meeting, and everyone plays the exactly how you described and show them how they completely took away the risk factor and excitement from the hole.

[@HaikesXO]

Worst change in recent memory

[@fightersmurf]

Juussi explained it in the upshot podcast. basically pdga suggested as being the only hole with the hazard rule and they want to get rid of that that they changed this.

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

My thoughts exactly when I heard it. One of the best holes I have watched disc golf. I also like to play that hole. Now it got boring. It was also quite an easy hole to play for 4 (par) even for an average amateur player, but could play for birdie even if you don't have a massive distance. Without penalty stroke people sometimes went crazy on that hole and got high 10s on the card, especially younger guys and in AMs. Emptying their bags from distance. And AB didn't really choke on that hole or anything. Every throw that he threw OB were actually good throw. He just made one mistake and threw too fast disc. I was sitting maybe 50-60 ft away then. The one he made to the island green was exactly the same throw, but with a slower disc. Ok, not thinking clearly and not discing down can probably be considered choking, but throws were good. Just bad disc choice. Changed drivers to Zone and it worked.

[@joshhill5932]

usdgc is perfect example of making a course very hard makes it great to watch. It should be horrible to watch cause they are playing around a college campus but they force demanding shot after demanding shot and big decisions to be made on most holes. You can feel how important every shot is to the player.

[@justbrowsing5279]

They could have just proceed as the hole was as an X tier major. This would still provide pdga sanctioning and round ratings. The only difference is those round ratings wouldn't count towards a players rating. This is how the USDGC operates and no one seems to care. Everyone is always bashing ratings and saying they don't matter anyway. Jussi should have done it this way. Yes the PDGA should have granted the exemption, but not having that exemption shouldn't have stopped Jussi from keeping the hole the same.

[@BodaciousBanana69]

First shot OB, go to DZ1 and throw you third that also goes OB, go to DZ2 for your 5th shot which is quite an easy putt. So with two OBs you only get punished with a bogey. This makes the ending stretch a lot less exciting. People who decided to put the drop zone 2 that close, why? Also is it confirmed to be 45 feet, because that looks much more like a 30 footer.

[@KPrime31]

Brodie, 100% correct. They made it too easy for the players, and it's straight pathetic. I stopped watching disc golf because it's too easy.

[@ScratchDiscgolf]

That hole has always SUCKED! BS artificial OB is NOT disc golf.

[@Zipoqs]

Being able to score bogey on a hole you didn't land in bounds on is absurd.

[@joshuawaddell6640]

Love the passion from Brodie. He's like a white Stephen A. Smith 😄

[@Afropalmen]

To bad..... I loved the Bunker rule where you don't get a OB stroke.... I wish more courses did like that!

[@humanecentipede985]

That's wild.....

[@eoghana315]

I'm not a fan of stroke and distance holes but one hole per round is alright and without it, this hole is very blah now. I'll tell you why the pDGA made them change it. These types of holes wreak havoc on their precious rating algorithm. That's it. Don't listen to any excuse like backups, etc., it's to not goof up their dumb ratings algo.

[@kearneysp]

That’s horrible. Bad decision

[@gamerincorpor8]

Disc golf needs to have a triple Mando at the ideal landing zones for every hole on tour. Masters of the disc don’t get an excuse. If Tiger, Rory etc. can weave a golf ball on intentional hooks, slices, stingers…there is 0 reason why pro disc golfers cant have the actual disc flight as an expectation to get where they should be. I’ll put $100 towards the charity of your choice if you can prove out why this would do more harm than good when it comes to increasing the challenge and entertainment value of the sport.

[@jonjonsson4270]

I totally disagree. The reasoning to change it is solid. You guys need to relax.

[@whoispetesake]

Participation trophy era rearing its head

[@jasonpatterson2327]

Brodie you need!! To go play Highbridge hills....if you want tough golf, home of the 2007 worlds.

[@bobbybobman3073]

Courses should be harder. The issue is wind can really make or break a round. But frankly a good round for the pros should be on fair but interesting holes where 4 under is a good round. Yatta yatta yatta par is relative, "sure". We need more un eagleable par 4 and5's. We need more technical par 4 and 5's. Frankly courses need more strokes. So there are more shots to test the pros on. Look I think the pros should have at most two stock hyzer/ roughly straight but avoid a gardian tree with some movement tee shots a round. We have so many shots. Forehand, back hand, overhand, spike hyzer, hyzer, flat, anhyzer, roller, hyzer flips: to flat to turn to s flight to turn and burn, even to cut roller or just standard roller. Then their is launch angle stuff like frozen rope calvin drives or airshots like wiggins in a distance comp. There are all sorts of discs to be throwing these shapes with too. Like come on. If my quick math is right thats 792 shots between forhand and backhand, shot shape, shot elevation, putter, mid fairway, or distance, and over, under, and stable per disc category. Frankly some shots really aren't possible with everything disc. But still lets assume there are 300 combinations there rather than nearly 800. On a par 54 there are normally 14-20 near full power shots. So lets assume a par 64. At most thats 30 shots that are near max power. Thats 10 tournaments or about 3 months of the season these guys could go without repeating a shot. I mean yes forcing most of those shots its pretty hard. Especially outside of the woods. But still, we canake.the sport much much harder. And none of those 300 shots include things like touch aka not max power, obstructed run up, awkward footings. And the other jazz that adds variety to upshots and putting. Saddly gone are the days when a pro could say yeah 400' is my max placement distance. These days that number is probably more like 450-470 for most guys with guys like gannon, calvin, simon, and ab probably able to claim 500-550'

[@dblevins343]

I dont think the answer is adding water all over the place either. That seems to he a common option in course design. Water is never interesting IMO. No different from throwing over a field marked as OB IMO.

[@Hypawolf]

I am tired of seeing double digit scores. I would love to see courses start to have HOT round scores around the -6 mark.

[@vJackaRoo]

The PDGA is the classic inflexible elitist bureaucracy.

[@stephenfrancais]

How could you watch last years tournament and then make this decision?

[@RaleighRich]

After listening to the end..... I cannot believe people are comparing disc golf to darts!!?? Wtf! Imagine if the audience was cheering & talking the way they do in darts during disc golf?? It's completely different! C'mon!

[@MassStash]

Constructive Criticism for Brodie of the episode: Smile and jack around a littler while ranting bro lol. Love the passion, care, and rants, but it’s so rich in anger it’s contagious! 🤣. Agree with the ridiculousness of hte double drop zones and how it can lead to a technical save/advantage. But chuckle and laugh at the end of the rant brutha, #bloodpressure

[@MassStash]

Ahhhh hit the nail on the head with ‘kid gloves’. Everything is infected with woke ass ‘everyone gets a trophy’…. Hope it doesn’t continue to spread in discord golf…

[@charlied904]

This news ruined my day

[@bryansans2564]

are we sure it wasn't put into place to prevent backups? we can't just focus on one part.

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

There were not that much backups on this hole. Some, but nothing unusual.

[@pacouribe7423]

Watch someone pull a Simon and purposely and easily play this hole for a bogey.

[@jamesnewman48]

not the best hole in disc golf. its a blow up hole that happens sometimes. what the camera doesn't see is all the crappy players placed 40 and onwards playing it poorly and causing backups. best of the best.?you mean top 30 and the rest of the crappy players?

[@Korkel]

Build the course u want to see on tour

[@NRafa7]

Watch Barela win because of this change lol

[@donkarnage6032]

Brodie: Imagine going to a pro tour course and 'm going to put you on the back tees and you have a 238 yard carry over water. Good luck! I'd say good luck to you as well if you have a 238 yard water carry. Not many people can throw it 714 feet over water. I know you misspoke but I agree that some of the courses just seem really soft. I go to Hornets Nest, Nevin, Renaissance Gold in Charlotte and play the long tees when I'm feeling confident in my game and my confidence is usually crushed halfway through the course. The courses should be very difficult for the average disc golfer. I've played Winthrop as well and thought that was kind of soft. You can shred there if you can have 350-400ft well placed shots.

[@tinncan]

If it is too easy, why are you so bad at it? The thing where Simon chunked over the whole hole and was able to take par from in the circle is more bull....

[@logant9437]

Were the backups a big issue?

[@kimmomatikainen1843]

No. Some backups, but nothing so bad that they needed to solve it. I have never had to wait more than maybe 5 minutes there and as a spectator I don't remember seeing more than one group waiting. I might be wrong, but that is the hole where I usually sit most of the time in EO. Now they turn it into a boring hole and was the best one to watch.

[@paw1dawg]

No mention of dragon's in this video? Brah

[@russellwixom2261]

1:54 😂😂😂

[@andyfreeman168]

Come play Cactus Rock in Alabama and tell us what you think.

[@bsy87]

Brodie needs to go away please.

[@gregmoore5135]

Still time to change....Cmon people. Whoever did this is out there and knows we hate it. Change it back. My guess is the person who changed this is playing and is just scurd.

[@Possu81]

I have to hate this change

[@CherryB0mb333]

If we get the softies out of disc golf there won’t be anyone left

[@NorCalDiscGolf]

This funny why are we allowing a non disc golfers comments to be relevant? Brody quit playing he only does this for the money and to be relevant. His opinions doesn’t matter

[@JJ79_]

Very very stupid change.

[@ztsb_koneko]

I wasn't sure if I actually like these types of meltdown holes, like it can be a little bit TOO brutal for being only slightly of your line... But I think I'm starting to side with Brodie here. Especially the DZs are the most uninteresting solution to anything and are even more confusing for viewers. With the old design you can still play for a safer par, that's the kind of decision making we need - not just foot on the pedal every hole.

[@johnedward5520]

The top 5 best holes in disc golf are actually located in Rock Hill!

[@bryansans2564]

@@Unknown-rb3ip USDGC

[@nautilusshell940]

@@Unknown-rb3ip usdgc/winthrop

[@johnedward5520]

@@Unknown-rb3ip Was referring to Winthrop Gold. The layout used for the USDGC. You can play it, very cool!

[@waynebryant1857]

Redundant

[@henrymanahan2764]

disc golf is so soft

[@bobbybobman3073]

This is a whole bunch of words that aren't allowed on this christian disc golf channel. Look pros are supposed to play hard courses. If half of the holes were 75% as hard as this the tour would be fantastic.

[@camwilson997]

Hot take, but I disagree. I like that they are trying to change this. Is this too easy. Sure. I can agree that there are better ways to change it. But the Bunker rule was dumb. It is completely unique rule set that is played nowhere else in the world. I don’t like that. I’d have liked to see the DZ 2 being at the tip of the in bounds area. So it’s still a 200 ft shot. And they still lose strokes for missing the island. Lastly, I don’t know many players who are aiming to take a +2 on a hole that averages under par like 16 at Euro Open.

[@Possu81]

There are unique track designs for example in motor sport also everywhere. Competitors will meet up and refuse to drive is design is too risky.

[@SixSided]

idk why there are even dropzones. just take it where it was last in bounds except the island. So if you cross the island but go OB you throw again from where you crossed into out of bounds in the fairway

[@curtisridenour]

Best? Haha. Ok Brodie...

[@chislicer5167]

Yeah, not even close. This hole sucked before the change.

[@curtisridenour]

Brodie, I agree with everything you said. But it comes off poorly when you are literally yelling about it.

[@nktaylo1]

It's a podcast for entertainment, not an official petition to have the changes reverted.

[@curtisridenour]

Hard disagree. Brodie is always trying to elevate the sport. Especially in this podcast. He is making a public petition to all the community to make a change. Yelling about it is not the best way.

[@shelbymorgan9484]

Gonna Pop a Fuse ....😂😂😂