They Tried to put Android in a Camera (Again)

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[@mattstone8878]

Your channel name has inspired me to create a toilet review channel. I shall call it..."Crappiness". 💩 🚽

[@snappiness]

@@mattstone8878 heck, it could be about cameras too! xD

[@cdl0]

"... Emily and _me_ ..." ;-) Nice video!

[@DakanFluff]

Funny enough - Android was originally intended to be an OS for digital cameras, not smartphones.

[@snappiness]

@@DakanFluff I have a video about that too :) what a crazy world it would be if that worked out!

[@xaypanyathipphavong2496]

The fact that many people might not know Android

[@annekedebruyn7797]

@@snappiness You should try to contact Zeiss to make a video about the now discontinued ZX1. It ran Android too and is such an odd system.

[@lenowoo]

That navigation button is too much of clear sign ​@@xaypanyathipphavong2496

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

panasonic is ahead of its time

[@JoeHoddinott]

Fun fact: In the lifecycle of of Android - before it was called Android - it actually started out as a camera OS. It pivoted to be a Blackberry competitor until iOS came out then it pivoted to what it is today. So it's only fitting it ends up powerig a camera.

[@Espressomo]

That selfie camera might be useful for taking POV shots of you using your camera.😂

[@28_khz]

picture in picture would be sick lol

[@shira_yone]

But can both record at the same time? Doesn't seem like it

[@binchsoda]

The concept honestly seems underrated, imagine taking pics and editing them right there with a mouse and kb, or even a whole usb c dock with a screen

[@unn4medfeel1ng]

I imagine editing photos on a 5" screen and I don't want that

[@burnedmozzarella]

this is good for that "hey can you send it to me immediately?" type of client.

[@burnedmozzarella]

this is good for that "hey can you send it to me immediately?" type of client.

[@Old_Man_Jay]

@@unn4medfeel1ngyou don’t, but Fuji cameras let you do just that, albeit on a smaller screen and not as intuitively as this android camera so the interest is there

[@unn4medfeel1ng]

@@Old_Man_Jay yes I have to do that sometimes because Fuji don't let me send raw photos to my phone for some reason. This is especially annoying if you shoot raw only since you have to process every photo to jpeg on the camera to then send to the phone.

[@MicroFourNerds]

This was such a fun project 🙌 it's a bit of a head scratcher this one, isnt it? I reckon a few generations in the future itll be super interesting. Great video as always!

[@fustigate314159]

Coming to watch your video next!

[@ElectronInc]

Literally watched your video this morning before catching this one in my thread.

[@trakkino]

no hotshoe is a dealbreaker

[@unbroken1010]

Yeah but you can do drag shutter at least

[@hillonhilers]

Usbc is its salvation

[@FilJR99]

Samsung should rethink their NX line. Their cameras were pretty good, I wonder what they would do now, ten years later.

[@chrisbloom382]

I was saying a decade or more ago that camera manufacturers missed a trick. They should have immediately put internet connectivity into their products as soon as smartphone cameras started to compete.

[@thehobnob]

I wish Samsung had stayed in the game - I'd have loved a sequel to the Galaxy NX, maybe with a few more physical buttons/dials in addition to the big ol' touchscreen.

[@C20F]

Do smartphone cameras compete? News to me...

[@spacebary]

Absolutely agreed, they would have dominated the whole irl market at this point

[@nindoninshu]

@@C20F they compete in the sense that the average person no longer needs to buy any type of dedicated camera if they just want to be able to generally take pictures and shoot video

[@chrisbloom382]

@@C20F they destroyed the affordable compact camera market.

[@tone_bone]

Years ago I would have killed for this but the fact that a lot of the newer cameras will let you easily transfer over photos I no longer see the point.

[@UNSCPILOT]

My 2016 Rebel T6 can send photos over wifi and NFC... and doesn't spam ads while I'm taking a picture, which that thing will given a year or two

[@POVwithRC]

@@UNSCPILOTYour 2016 T6 can do it slowly. It’s not special and its ability to do so poorly does not negate OPs point. I’m also not sure how you know this device will be spamming ads. Inside track?

[@UNSCPILOT]

@@POVwithRC the list of android devices, phones in general really, that don't spam ads is rather slim, and this camera is more phone than camera. And yeah, the Rebel T6 isn't the fastest thing ever but that doesn't negate that it can transfer, personally I usually dump images to my desktop anyway as with 400+ gigabytes of images most phones, even with a large enough SD card would be overwhelmed, especially for those of us that don't go all in on a flagship phone and the more affordable phones have... uninspiring performance. And, really, in Practice the Rebel T6 is a cheaper DSLR from 8 years ago with a 18mp apsc sensor, yet between it and this Android camera I'd pick it every time, even the lack of touchscreen actually has a benefit as it can rest against my chest while my hands are busy without changing settings accidentally, the OS only fixates on photography so no weird side issues can get in the way, and I can pick up decades of secondhand lenses for EF and EF-S mount. It's not even my best Camera anywho but I still love to use it, my Canon M200 out preforms it while still costing less, can use the same lenses as the T6 with an adaptor (looks hillarious with a 75-300mm zoom). I'm sure it's an interesting option for some, but personally I'll steer clear, there's probably good reason this concept keeps failing, and I prefer my photography devices be focused on only photography, else I'd just get the same overpriced phones as most

[@akbarkamdar4906]

I've been super curious about it since its announcement, thanks for the review! It would be so fun as a pocket camera with M43 pancake lenses

[@judobreakdowns7616]

For me, what would be great is basically my android phone glued to an RX 100 m7. It's still very pocketable, but much better image quality and ability to share and edit right away. Maybe this is where DJI pushes the industry?

[@firstletterofthealphabet7308]

The channel signature comically adapted P110 lens back at it again

[@najved]

What ideally want is a smartphone with an apsc sensor and have a lens cap when not shooting, and when you are going out you just put on your favourite lens and go shoot

[@blainemitchell]

Very cool concept. I like the fact that a third party can create an app that works better or gives the user a different layout.

[@carlod803]

Yongnuo really came a long way. Been using their flashes and LED lighting for years, just recently bought their impressive YN25 f1.7 for my Panny GX1 and I searched their catalogue and they have a ton of nice lenses. Now a m43 camera? BTW they also just recently released the YN17 f1.7 and I can see one in my future as well.

[@johnc_]

My guess is the new DJI/Huawei camera will be a very fancy smartphone with something like a micro 4/3rds sensor

[@jimzielinski946]

Im not sure about using Android as a camera operating system, but id like to see camera companies (particularly Pentax), consider either opening up developer access to their cameras (via API's?) or open sourcing their OS and drivers (like a pc) to allow hobbyists and developers to come up with ideas they would never think of.

[@leadwhite1249]

I own a z-cam in part because it has a pretty robust API.

[@Seapatico]

I cannot imagine why camera companies haven't invested more into this type of camera. It seems SO obvious that it would be a hit.

[@WyattOShea]

Exactly.

[@orxanr5955]

it requires R&D budget to even catch up to their true and tested systems with 20 year old R&D behind them. But Sony is doing some work in this space with their Xperia smartphones. They clearly have bigger plans.

[@cdelrioc]

It never was. Samsung tried it with Android, Sony tried it with its own app system. Both were discontinued due to lack of interest. I guess we photography people are quite conservative.

[@KarlDomning]

I feel like editing on the back of a camera is a workflow nightmare. Weird to hold for sure. Plus if you’re next to your phone already, at home near your computer… the better options are not far away

[@Seapatico]

@@cdelrioc But I would say the Samsung failed because no one was looking to buy a Samsung, and that was like 10+ years ago. And the Sony failed, I'm assuming, because Sony apps are a nightmare. I feel like if Canon/Nikon/Sony/Fuji really did this well, it would be a hit.

[@Quaabo]

Not to forget the Zeiss ZX1

[@unbroken1010]

That price is insane

[@petepictures]

I am glad the Yongnuo picked up the great idea, and will revive it, for I am almost sure it was left for a very different reason, similar to a new RAW with every new camera, instead of all using DNG.

[@InzamamulShaikh-567]

You need to test Motioncam on this camera!!

[@SimplestUsername]

I just want my camera to have the option to sync JPEG's to Google Photos when it hits a wifi network. That's all. Then I can access everything on my phone.. Oh, and baked in LUT's!

[@natedagreat90]

Great concept. Someone will eventually perfect them in the future. Full frame mirrorles cameras with the power and software of a modern smartphones is the next frontier in photography Only issue would be heat from that large sensor and all that power coming from the processor once they solve that its a feasible idea

[@QuicknStraight]

I'd need some physical dials for key controls, such as mode dial, exp. comp., etc. Having to go into the menus to change those things would be really annoying. And then there's the serious performance issues...

[@ericlippe]

Honestly, I'm a huge fan. Especially for the price! I'm gonna have a hard time suggesting a rebel camera for $900 with its antiquated DSLR styles when a camera like this exists. It isn't to say dslrs aren't great (heck, I still use an SLR) but for a new photographer, this is awesome!

[@christians.9058]

The price is ridiculous 😅

[@SneakyCaleb]

Seems cheap

[@unbroken1010]

​@SneakyCaleb not in this economy, thanks Sleepy Joe and Kamalapalooza

[@christians.9058]

@@SneakyCaleb 🤭 so at least they have Found a customer.

[@mynameisnotcory]

CAMERA COMPANIES! LISTEN TO ME! PEOPLE WANT THIS! i would carry this thing and some lenses around daily Just make the screen removeable and the camera is basically a dock Edit: after brief consideration, idk if i DO WANT THIS

[@itsapinecone7280]

so... the Alice cam?

[@mynameisnotcory]

@@itsapinecone7280 yeah basically

[@cato2k182]

CAMER COMAPNIES DONT LISTEN TO HIM WE DON'T WANT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ricobohm7781]

I dont actually know, do people want this? I know I for one have no use for this and it 'destroys' basically everything I love about the process of photography (namely that my camera is explicitly not a smartphone). And i think by now there have been enough products similar to this one that if 'the people' wanted this, at least one of those would have been successful. I still hope someone makes this into a good product, because more options is always good for the consumer.

[@mikafoxx2717]

​@@ricobohm7781 What I wish for it's just better phone connectivity sometimes. Canon is okayyy but it's a bit clunky to connect wifi and all that.

[@verebellus]

i really want this as a novelty camera, not as a main camera but certainly a fun one to bring and share photos with friends

[@naota]

Interesting. Maybe in a future someone could port blackmagic camera app to this device ant we'll have a new kinda blackmagic pocket cinema camera witch would be really pocketable

[@nattieCSH]

it may actually work okay being side loaded from apk mirror.

[@binchsoda]

Actually, since the screen flips up and theres a speaker, I wonder if this would make a perfect phone for video calls lol

[@sleepingcattv]

Interesting use case: I've seen these in use at German drug stores, where they offer passport picture services. There is an app installed on there which guides the operator thru taking a correct biometric pictures, and immediately sends them off to the photo station for printing if the customer likes it.

[@ColtonMatocha]

Very interesting! I'm a fan of trying things and it's good to see some companies trying out new ideas! Or in this case, revisiting old ideas in a new way.

[@snappiness]

that's my perspective too. I just like different ideas, even if they shoot and miss sometimes.

[@hokusai2165]

I could totally see using the NOMO CAM App with an adapted vintage lens on that.

[@spacebary]

this would be amazing for irl streaming

[@treypop123]

cameras running android have been a dream of mine for years

[@billybobthorton2026]

Motioncam and RAW recording would be awesome to test on this

[@iggytse]

The only reason I would use something like this is for easier live streaming to Instagram,Facebook or KZbin at staged events. For some reason these apps on a iPhone doesn’t let you select the telephoto camera. Also for quick photo upload to social media which I already do with a iPhone 12 Pro Max at events.

[@spetcnaz83]

Google needs to make a camera like this. With their color science and AI experience, it will be fantastic.

[@arseniysemin1361]

I actually really like the idea. Been hunting one for some time, but they're a bit of a pain to buy. Only thing I'd wish they change the design slightly, right now it looks like any other Chinese knock of toy product. + if the bootloader is unlocked this thing can become a real powerhouse with help of community.

[@yusheng4637]

I think the rear facing camera is useful for vloggers. Many vloggers have to use two equipment, one facing the subject and one facing themselves when shooting. So if this camera can capture videos and photos from both front and rear at the same time, it would be cool!

[@ylzerb6188]

im just glad there are some new brands trying something new

[@MrScottsivertson]

Retro Bowl …. now you are top tier

[@static-san]

One big reason it doesn't fly is that smartphone tech and camera tech move at such different speeds. Cameras tend to last and be usable a _lot_ longer than the typical lifecycle of a smartphone!

[@67comet]

That is a camera system I SOOOO want to love BUT .. yeah, there's way too many drawbacks to justify the $700+ price tag .. I LOVE love love the lens capability (micro 4/3 are pretty much everywhere used) and being it is basically a phone inside, why couldn't you use your sim card, get access to your cellular network, and upload your images right to your cloud of choice like most phones? I use 100% raw images (my K-3 iii does jpeg to my 2nd card, but they're basically just the backup), and as poor as those RAW images looked, I'm afraid it wouldn't be useful in most cases. Maybe as a travel camera that you could also text on? Can it use any phone apps? Maybe Google Voice? I'd love to love this one, it really looks fun, but I'll go use my $700+ to get more typewriters, studio gear, and backdrops.

[@PixelSheep]

Love seeing the Pentax 110 Lenses :D Love mine - thx again to DSLR Guide for the recommendation :D

[@CaptRohmer]

Love this content. I figured in 2024 we could go out and buy smart cameras for cheap. Since they were a thing a decade ago, it’s only gotten cheaper and easier to build them. Yet, we have to do this or spend $5K on a pixi. Sensors aren’t expensive anymore. Anyone can code. A lot of people have 3D printers. This is frustrating lol

[@daleonov]

As someone who owned Sony QX10 ans QX1 smartphone cameras, I love the fact those smartphone/camera hybrids are still around. Would like to try this yongnuo!

[@louisrafaelcom]

If they get the image quality down, this might be an interesting camera for long term timelapse due to the sim card slot and versatility of android - just thinking how cool it would be if I could use remote desktop to control long term timelapse cameras from home…

[@ChadWilson]

I love this idea! Every company reinvents the wheel with their software, but why not use Android? Now, the camera becomes a platform for others to offer more software and features than the maker may have thought.

[@reeshmalms6686]

The second camera could be used as a pov camera of yourself like those street photowalk videos. Wonder if they could record at the same time as the main camera😂

[@JulienToury]

Well, I came to a conclusion recently that no matter how good smartphones get, we will always want a dedicated tool to perform our arts, simply for the ease of use of something without distractions and the dedicated featured that are so hard to implement on a multi functions device. Whatever it is a recorder with dedicated xlr inputs and x/y built in microphones, camera with interchangeable lens and a big sensor, musical instruments with their unique reaction to our fingers, or the nice click of a mechanical keyboard...

[@ChrisMstnpnts]

Casually flexing with that Hasselblad 😂

[@MrCloud254]

This could be a pretty decent multi cam set up if it can output a clean signal over one of the usb-c ports!

[@didoum]

We should be able to plug our phone in a "screen case", so our phone becomes the camera screen/settings/storage, and when we're finished we unplug the phone To sum up, a detachable screen/smartphone

[@FootballScoutsTV]

thanks for the upload, i will be buying this

[@PaulTakesPhotos]

This camera might not be perfect, but it is a very interesting design as it could be the future. Pair it with lumix 20mm or 14mm and you basically get a great combo. Obviously it is a beta version but if improved over time it could actually work

[@JF42339]

I'm seriously considering something like this as a replacement for my phone. I end up using my phone more as a camera than a phone, so I'd rather carry a camera that can do occasional phone things. It's more convenient than carrying a camera and a phone.

[@josephpetty2268]

Something like this in the hands of Sony, Nikon, Canon or Fuji, would be a certified hit. Yongnuo doesnt have great lenses (i owned their 50mm for Canon EF mount and it was loud and SLOW), so i figured this wouldnt be optimized at all for the hardware potential its got. I feel like this would have amazing potential within the right hands, but nobody has been able to execute it properly. And considering Android was originally a camera OS to begin with before it transitioned into being what it is today, it'd be PERFECT todays cameras. A few years back, a friend of mine and I were talking about why dont they use Android on cameras, and use their hardware on these cameras nowadays. The flexibility of android is amazing and would be perfect for it. Samsung did it with their NX cameras, and it was moderately decent.

[@ArminHirmer]

nice idea... I still wait for the Alice :D and SwitchLens

[@TheGingester]

Oh wow, you finally got one.

[@StarrysLostandFound]

Curious camera phone hybrid

[@JessicaFEREM]

I still think that the sony option of clamping a camera to the back of the phone will be the more robust option, since the camera talks to *your* phone. it meets you where you're at.

[@ThomasBryant]

I bought this camera about 3 months ago just to mess around with.... it .... well.... it has its "moments" of fun. But overall, I was disappointed in the lack of computational options and non buggy software. If I use a 3rd party camera app.... somethings work better, others worse. Its a mixed bag... BUT... I get to use all my existing lenses to thats good.

[@earlfenwick]

It's a good second step. I like it.

[@Bo_Hazem]

Now imagine what DJI could do. ZV camera lineup from Sony should all be Android.

[@markattardo]

Cool camera and chair!

[@selzzaW]

A big issue with utilizing a smart phone OS on a camera is that it will become deprecated far quicker than just a standard camera. At a certain point in the near future, that version of Android will no longer be supported, and you will no longer be able to get apps or use it as intended. I fear that this class of device is just going to be e-waste far quicker than any other camera. However, if you utilize a proprietary version of Android, you can design photo or video editing apps into the camera itself, so it can be used long after its version if the OS is no longer supported.

[@sharpenednoodles]

Planned obsolescence in-built into your camera? It's more likely than you think! This seems cool, but having RAW transfer to your much more powerful, much better screen phone or tablet feels like a much better solution to the problem

[@VASYA_FLOPCEV]

it reminds me of the Xiaomi Yi m4/3 camera, and the Samsung Galaxy Camera in one.

[@alberte6109]

Finally, saw this in Taobao and wanted a review

[@mistermistero652]

The only (big) problem i see with this is tht there are no physical dials and buttons, thats one of the big benefiths of a "real" camera for me. Imagine having to shoot wildlife with this 😬

[@snappiness]

I'm a big fan of physical controls as well. For the full photographic experience

[@garrywatters1140]

My interest piqued when you mentioned micro 4/3. I might just buy one of these as I have several Olympus lenses.

[@KarlDomning]

Now do the Zeiss Zx1. The Leica Q of Android cameras.

[@OriginalTLab3000]

I almost didn't recognize you without the backpacker 😜 I have one, too.

[@snappiness]

Haha - I had to reframe the shot because I'm replacing that window so the office is a mess. It's a fun guitar :)

[@theothertonydutch]

MFT is best mount

[@fuelediowa]

It is a neat concept but I think it would have to have comparable abilities to a modern mirrorless camera. Like a Panasonic, Fuji Film, Canon ECT. I also think physical buttons really should not be overlooked. Something about a tactile feel in a dark environment that needs to stay dark.

[@erwinc.9117]

This thing is made almost exclusively for the Chinese live streaming market. The Chinese internet is weird in that a lot of things aren't optimised, or even incompatible with web, you have to use the app (which keeps you under the control of the developers). Thus a camera like this would offer better than smartphone quality while still able to access all the streaming options. It's a limited product for an unhealthy internet ecosystem.

[@ofthenearfuture]

I think this is cool, and glad some companies are still trying it even if the results aren't great lol, as I'm curious to see Gcam/computational photography implementation on larger sensor/interchangeable lens bodies. Cause I think hardware progress is plateauing, like every camera made within the last ~10 years is good enough for 90% of photographers, so software could be the next area of innovation.

[@fellowcitizen]

Huawei and Leica previously set up a research lab together, but I think it fell through due to all the Wall Street anti-competitivism. Since then, though, Huawei, also made a degoogled version of Android. It would be great if Huawei and the L-mount Alliance made some variant models with this OS feature.

[@IanMacMoore]

Probably easier to just include the front camera hardware than try to update apps expecting it

[@kaypochi1516]

4:40 I guess maybe the front camera was there so that let say someone want to review something they can use dual camera function to show the subject and also their reaction

[@HazardousEnvironments]

OMG HE GOT ONE OF THE ANDROID CHINA CAMERAS Letss goo

[@trevorsneath4665]

Unless they upgrade the Android, the app store will pass it by. Old phones often don't allow access, and a lot of the apps won't work anymore. But an interesting idea that needs development

[@lihtan]

You can sideload apps by uploading the APK file over a USB connection. I have a de-googled phone, and I have no problems installing apps on it that way.

[@nikytamayo]

When you say it doesn't give 20mp with third party apps, does it give half or crop in? May come down to Camera API2 implementation, if the canara defines 20mo as high res mode and sets the lower resolution as the default (see this happen on phones)

[@Tech_Stuff_and_Other_Stuff]

youngnou could grab a decent chunk of camera market share if they took this camera seriously and continued working on it.

[@omdwillieturnip8840]

No grip would have sold this so you could actually chuck a body cap on it really put it in your pocket

[@thehobnob]

"No stabilisation, optical or electronic" - so the OIS on lenses with it doesn't work? (Edit to add: I kind of love this though, and would love to see how it improves with firmware updates over time)

[@xmeda]

If they make the grip smaller and add roller or two, it will be interesting camera.

[@DanielM1224]

That T-shirt ❤❤❤❤

[@wairren]

Can't see this ever working unless Google release a cut-down and dedicated 'photography' version of Android, which app developers and manufacturers could support natively. Probably never going to happen, sadly.

[@lihtan]

Someone could just fork AOSP.

[@v_stands_for_value124]

Ok now flip the screen vlog style and take all the photos with the selfie camera

[@4mooncheese]

It will be interesting to see how this turns out in the future. Xiaomi brought out a phone called the 12S Ultra Concept which I believe had an exposed sensor in addition to a camera module, and with an adapter it would allow the attachment on Leica M Mount lenses. Quite pricey though at $43,000. It is a shame though that Samsung didn't continue to produce cameras especially with Android. Although a little outdated, using the Galaxy NX was crazy for it's time.

[@AbbasBinYounas]

3:23 someone's really cold 😂

[@Mamiya645]

Can be used as a phone.. I need this. Oh my god do I need this.. (maining P20 Pro for the mono sensor's sake, P20 regular for a spare phone, hah)

[@jw48335]

I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it had solid autofocus and raw files. I don't use digital near as much now as my default for photography is film. I use digital for low light and video, which this does. I leverage the cloud to share both my digital and analog photography. Even *right now* I have 3-4 SD cards sitting on my desk waiting for upload. I would love to just run this camera and never use cards again.

[@TaylorPassofaro]

Did MotionCam work with this? That app uses a different raw pipeline than other apps so you might get better raw files from it, olus if raw video works that would be sick!

[@xxxxtripxxxxOSG]

While cameras like this definitely seem like a great idea and convenient, there is one big issue. That is the support lifespan of Android. Eventually it will not be able to be updated and apps will no longer work on it and all of the great features it had when it was new are gone. Then you are just left with a subpar camera that you still will have to transfer photos to a computer to do anything with them. I have 10+ year old digital m4/3 cameras that still work with all of the features they came with new. They still connect to the manufactures phone app to transfer photos, albeit slowly, because the manufacturer of the camera can afford to maintain support in its app for the limited number of products it has. Alphabet and the photo editing and sharing app makers can not try to maintain support for every possible piece of hardware their software is installed on.

[@snappiness]

Yep, that's a big issue. My Samsung Galaxy camera I showed in the video has very few apps that work for that reason.

[@electroblum]

UGH, android builds are scary if it's not android-one.

[@paulushdk]

I think if somebody would throw a LOT of money on this concept, it would be an amazing product. Imagen an R5 with an OS Built on Android. It would open up many new possibilities. The poor software quality and lack of updates make these camera/phone products unusable.