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[@TomLiberman]

"The movie known as Odyssey". Slightly predated by the epic poem of the same name composed by Homer Simpson, I think.

[@mandisaw]

Oh, that's the light novel that Ulysses 31 is based off of, right? /sarcasm

[@Cardali]

I heard that's based inside of a real time period. Crazy!

[@BSideWasTaken]

"the time of the Trojan horse" made me have a minor aneurysm.

[@williamdrum9899]

D'oh!

[@FakeFox]

When classical antiquity is the "Greek gods & Trojan horse history era of time" and the Odyssey is a movie, you know you are talking to a true historian.

[@williamdrum9899]

Probably calls a floppy disk a "save button"

[@milanhvozdik3379]

As a developer, I can confirm that Kira's description is accurate. God, I love watching his videos when they let me out of my cage.

[@jonathansoko1085]

I am not a developer but with a couple hours in unreal or unity i can do 100x more than what is in this video LOL

[@Donnirononon]

All these games are just some WordPress kid who just learned how to rip unitypackage files and change font color on websites.

[@daminox]

Alright, your 45 minutes are up. Back into the cage you go! Git!

[@m96k3y7]

@@jonathansoko1085 that part...

[@zx-dx719]

Same

[@eliwalls696]

It blows my mind that all the scam games are mmos, the most expensive and labor intensive kind of games to make.

[@jirobow]

The MMO playerbase have been targeted hard by these scams to the point I have to wonder if they still have any trust left in them, or if kickstarter have already milked all of it.

[@Relocklabs]

it's probably because they are the most expensive as you said.. if they can soak a lot of money and run with it (I assume that's their master plan) then why not ? if youre making a shit RTS in flash and ask for 500k people will laugh but if you ask for 500k for a mmo they think they that's reasonably cheap maybe this will be the one

[@ericbelanger794]

MMOs players are also one of the most dedicated gamers out there

[@Athasin]

Most likely it’s because mmo players accept being milked for money in the way that other gamers (except mobile gamers) don’t. Imagine a COD with a monthly sub AND paid dlc AND a cosmetics cash shop AND a “qualify of life” cash shop. Gamers who like shooters would never go for it. Hence why a lot of shooters are free to play. For a shooter to be successful it’s either buy to play with minimal or no micro transactions or free to play with a lot of micro transactions.

[@toddtaylor6506]

Not that expensive when you literally don't do anything that even starts them and just ask for the money to start making them. Don't give anyone money. These morons should be working at Walmart not making "games".

[@nyyfandan]

This looks like a fake game that's on in the background of a movie or something, where they want to show a kid playing a video game, but don't want to actually pay anyone, so they have some effects artist make a fake game in like 20 minutes

[@ArkadiBolschek]

"An Crypto MMORPG in which strives for perfection". I see.

[@mikesinyaboot5992]

At least the dude behind this "game" has a bright future teaching Proper Grammar 101 when the project inevitably fails again. For real though, it is amazing that these people don't simply use something like Grammarly to help make sense of their ramblings.

[@ayajade6683]

@@mikesinyaboot5992 grammarly would make their ramblings much worse via the thesaurus soup they do, it's a very shit program

[@ChryI]

You see? I don't.

[@mavor101]

So descriptive. :D

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

"Big shout out to my development team!" "I solely development this game project. Give me money!" Yep, that checks out

[@robvanriot]

That period of Greek history where the cyclops was real was also my favourite. I'm in!

[@aarons6935]

Where the cyclops ws real? Ummmm no lmao.

[@robvanriot]

@@aarons6935 That was the joke...

[@everwake2689]

I'm also developing a new MMO. It's going to be filled with dragons and spaceships, just as soon as I learn to code and hire a few loser friends to occasionally work on it during their free time. Please reply here if you'd like to send me money, because if I can't get this going my fiance will leave me.

[@chill-_-839]

sign me up. i'll invest my life savings.

[@mavor101]

Solid plan. Take my money.

[@BrutalFelix82]

One thing to call out as we see more and more crypto garbage is, it's ironic that people were saying crypto coming into the gaming space will push gamers to indie games, but 99.99% of the shovelware cyrpto games are from indie devs at this point lol.

[@ghostassassin1107]

I have no idea why some people acted as though indie devs wouldn't hop on this crap. They can be even scummier than AAA publishers.

[@domiparavasilinus603]

Most of these "indie" devs aren't the indie devs most people think of, though. The vast majority are just parasites offsetting lack of actual game dev talent / interest onto a skeleton provided by Unity, Unreal, etc. and their asset stores, with 95%+ of the effort put into attracting crypto-bros to drive anything resembling interest. None of this is about gaming, only crypto/blockchain profiteering. Will be little different once the corpos get into full exploitation mode. They'll put more money and actual game dev talent into it, but the purpose will never change.

[@imrich9349]

Real indie devs tend to release games, they are not.

[@MasoTrumoi]

Don't refer to these moron scammers as Indie Devs. They haven't even made games.

[@williamdrum9899]

AAA games are pushing people to indies already

[@Federale570]

Fucking hell Kira you are a funny dude, between the "I knew I'd done this video" and 'frenulum (is that what it's called?) I nearly pissed tea through my nose. I don't even like MMOs lmao

[@KiraTV1]

Don't you dare waste that tea or you're going back in the cage

[@MeatMonsterMan]

I want a satirical crypto mmorpg, based in CryptoLand, I want BitCoin stylized NFT armor skins, I want Arya to be my in game faction leader who advertises investing in Earth 2 in game to my player character, I want to experience the Moon Bro delusion as a gaming experience. My god, I've lost it, it's a clown world and I'm trying to go to the circus, Kira help me...

[@Speederzzz]

That does sound funny, instead of inventory you have "Wallet" ands items are "NFTs" money is crypto. I'm sure i could make up a fun plot if i wasnt so sleepy

[@Gabriel-kl6bt]

It's good that they don't learn. It's more content for you, and fun for us.

[@Dubstepconcept]

Haha hell ya!

[@Chareddragon]

Yep

[@KiraTV1]

tru

[@captaincardigan1857]

God the heavily inspired RuneScape HUD design is giving me a panic attack, I recognize it but I also see what’s wrong. I still have no idea why all of the sudden people or groups think they can just hammer out a MMO with practically no research into the budget and the sheer dedication and passion from the players for it.

[@ollllj]

boot up unityengine and hit the "make an mmorpger" button!

[@walterwhite7924]

the dude running this used to run a runescape private server.

[@daminox]

It's like watching a highschooler finish 1 entry level shop class and deciding to launch a new brand of electric automobile to compete with Tesla. It boggles my mind that kids (to me anyone college age or younger is still a kid) think this stuff is easy. And it has to be a kid, right? I can't imagine a 35 yr old adult who has played more than 2 video games in their life makes a sad kickstarter like this.

[@captaincardigan1857]

@@daminox yeah I agree this is honestly just depressing. The ones before was atleast comical because of how flagrantly obvious of how impossible the ambition and bold asset rip/stealing.

[@henkweeds1498]

I think it would be a good thing if kickstarter add a rules that u atleast need a working alpha before u can start funding

[@VossMarionette]

I died when the worm started flailing. Seriously though, why do these people not just tackle easier projects. Like platformers or dungeon crawlers. Instead of a MMO, something that even AAA devs struggle with.

[@Redteal11]

Some of them maybe just don't have an idea of how hard it is to develop an MMO. Someone I know recently told me he was starting to develop his own MMO (in C#) and already had the idea of how his business model is going to look before he even had a single game mechanic.

[@Jubanen12]

must be some kina megalomania syndrome mental issue thing... narcissist maybe... Im obvioulsy not wholesale saying all kickstarter devs trying to tackle mmorpg genre as their first big project are narcissist but... well at least you arent all there if you try to make mmorpg in this day and age (especially if its literally like your first project).. its too risky genre xD

[@kampa7671]

@@Redteal11 You should show him patch notes from any major MMO (be it WoW, FF14 or anything else) - especially the bugfixes section. Then tell him that there's another list with undocumented stuff that's probably longer than that. And *another* one, of stuff that will be fixed in next weeks. And probably a fourth one, of things that worked fine but got broken with the last patch and no one has any idea why. That's the reality of MMOs - there's always something broken and it needs to be fixed if you want people to keep playing (and paying). And before the actual release, you'll be doing that within limited budget, no matter the actual costs.

[@Main_Protagonist]

It is absolutely possible for small team to make a MMO, although they always aim to compete with existing games like runescape or wow. Small-ish mmos should be niche.

[@rdizzy1]

@@Jubanen12 It is toxic positivity, people are brainwashed into the LITERAL idea that "they can do anything as long as they are positive". It just isn't true. Some things are unachievable for a single person, or even a small group of people, and people just won't admit this. So they continue on and on and end up wasting years of their life to something that will fail, tons of scammed people along the way. Some people just refuse to set lower, realistic goals for themselves, so they will continually fail at life, and end up broke and homeless.

[@casgirlsam]

he made old school runescape but bad in every aspect possible. that's talent

[@Pugiron]

So he made Old School Runescape

[@SuperVreemd]

@@Pugiron You didn't just insult osrs, did you?

[@Frostyviewer]

I so got the same vibes watching that clip with the banker guy then the worm "fight"

[@Haze_E1]

@@Pugiron Accurate XD

[@JC-jz6rx]

The one thing i disagree is the comment on moving to florida being a step up. Anyone who says that has never lived in Florida. I will paypal the man for the sheer will power needed to live here.

[@KiraTV1]

It was a joke

[@MidnightSt]

post edit: I have already been schooled on my ignorance of why is "Hellenistic Era" called that way. "The Greek Gods & The Trojan Horse History Era of time" Yes, I trust that a guy who has no idea it's called Hellenic Era to know enough about it (besides "greek gods and trojan horse") to make a game set there. "We're basing our era around the time of THE MOVIE 'Odyssey'." OMG YES. *THE TOTALLY ORIGINAL MOVIE ODYSSEY, ABSOLUTELY NOT BASED ON ANYTHING FROM ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED AROUND THAT ERA, AND ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T WRITE!!!* Jesusfuck.

[@oliver_twistor]

It also annoyed me that he was referencing the MOVIE Odyssey instead of the classical works by Homer.

[@CelticGuardian7]

The movie part in particular cracked me up. "Oh yes, the movie Odyssey, not the epic. That's a relief."

[@mass-cp6jf]

The "movie' Odyssey is what makes me believe this is a troll. or dumb on purpose to only fool the extra dumbos

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

"This is clearly a fresh interpretation of numbers, and has nothing based on whatever you call that thing..math or whatever!"

[@vinesauceobscurities]

You expect these out-of-industry grifters to use their limited knowledge pool as more than a source of buzzwords?

[@Noschool100]

cant wait for Kickstarter round 3 where his goal is 50 bucks

[@thejkittymews9045]

I think people would pay him 50 bucks to just have him stop trying to pretend to be a game designer.

[@IAmAzarath]

If he gets the crypto figured out he'll have a massive hit. We're looking at a potential multi-million dollar project right here.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Either that or the market crash culls some of the weakest projects.

[@erikponti1753]

This game is made in Unity with an MMORPG asset called Atavism. Its basically a framework where you get the entire back end with databases, authentication server and world server. I made a game similar to this in under 2 weeks with no prior experience in mmo game development.

[@dennismagnusson2141]

Looks more like uMMO based on the chat window since thats the default test message on uMMO =P

[@byronvinson9667]

Yeah thats the chat from UMMORPG hasnt even edited out the test messages :S (Which isnt ultimately wrong to use but if he cant code itll just come out as a super super bland thing as he wont know how to create custom things)

[@YuaASMR]

Caspian needs to hire this man now 😂

[@ganmerlad]

Based in the "Trojan Horse History Era of Time": "the history as we know it today", and on an unspecified movie called "Odyssey" (the one with the animated skeletons?). There's "plenty of bravery and being a brave warrior" to be had. "We will have a storyline". Lol. He has given the game a really hard think. He has some ideas! No indication he knows how to make the game he vaguely describes, but it all seems legit. /s I'm fairly positive everything he shows is a Unity Store Asset. The 'Serpent boss' can be found under "Serpent Warrior Snake Man" on the Unity store.

[@JennFaeAge]

My gamer side finds this hilarious. My English grad side is unnecessarily annoyed by the phrase "the Trojan Horse History Era of Time"

[@shadowingyou]

I should introduce everything as "... history, era of time" from now on.

[@scrymglin]

@@shadowingyou Personally I'd prefer a game set in the Guys with Horned Helmets History Era of Time

[@mikeloeven]

Everyone knows if your making a snek boss for an mmo you need to design it as a waifu not whatever that was XD

[@dustyfox6511]

"Trojan Horse History Era of Time" ... You mean the Trojan War? Not knowing the name of your setting is already a massive red flag in the very first sentence.

[@grayjedithebalance5497]

I dunno Kira... pets with laser eyes and and the Boom Clap ability. The ability to pick my own name! How could it not be awesome! Have a good one sir.

[@KiraTV1]

you too!

[@UnitRico]

As Age of the Trojan Horse & Greek Gods is my favourite RTS ever I'm definitely all in on this one, cannot see this one ever going wrong tbh. As they say, two time's the charm!

[@DaxMarko]

The biggest pet peeve of mine for this game was gameplay video showing mining action on a "bronze ore". You got me f'd up there Joshua.

[@merc7105]

Hahahah, bro how much fun did you have editing! It’s nice seeing a genuinely joyful Ash. Pmsl at the quips. Cheers.

[@theninja2k14]

That enemy at 7:08 is extremely similar to ds3 there's a worm thing that has the/almost the exact same animations

[@ChryI]

The Dark Souls of MMORPGS

[@Sideshownicful]

5:54 If he used to be in Dubai (or pretty much anywhere in the world) and he is now in Florida, he is moving down in the world, not up...

[@williamhououin]

Well, he have something that chronicles of Elyria doesn’t… it exist

[@BM03]

10:05 Watch out, this might be the dude to beat Caspian to a working Fog of War too!

[@yacdj]

I had a very uncomfortable thought watching the trailer of this... Mistex thing. I imagined being a npc stucked in this world.

[@BruhZerk]

Bro when that giant purple wang started doing the helicopter I died 🤣

[@MrZilvis78]

I've been plagued with fairly regular migraines all my life, somewhere around 3 and a half decades now but I may have either gotten a worse headache or brain bleed whichever comes first from hearing the descriptions of things on this what I hope is a badly placed April 1st joke. Idiocrasy is alive and well as usual folks.

[@toddtaylor6506]

Give $1000 and every time you log in the game will tell you that you've won and close itself. It's going to be the greatest game ever.

[@EweTubism]

"Previously on Lost" made me laugh too much. You're a funny lad, Kira.

[@Ainianu1]

As a developer also, this is clearly a Unity install with the uMMORPG asset (a bare bones mmo project to get someone started) with not really a lot changed on it other than a little art work and some ui elements (some I saw look like the stock asset art). Whilst it is certainly possible to make a game from that baseline, he is still very close to that. This to me; implies he is either very naive in how much more of a game he should really have before starting a kickstarter... Or has used the asset to make something to 'prove' there is a game for those that do not know better.

[@CaidicusProductions]

I don't have any popcorn, but I'm ready for this. Thanks for another great video, Kira.

[@phillipmitchell2254]

Lol Callum Upton was calling them "Wipe Papers" hahaha

[@deavonw]

For that budget they should have made a EA survival game like everyone else...

[@JanHavel]

I wonder if those ppl atleast pay those €71.47 for that uMMORPG they are using :) ... they changed some assets but its still very noticable :D

[@Victor-sk8by]

'This is a steal' No pun intended..

[@DestructionatorWitch]

The snake boss just has pouches on his belt... No weapons, no fangs, doesn't look like a warlock... it's just some dude trying to forage for herbs in the woods and we're bothering him. Seriously look at him, he's the least threatening naga i've ever seen, i just want to help him pick berries...

[@Herbertti3]

This makes dream world look better. That's an achievement!

[@dragons_advocate]

I give it one thing going for it: The character is using his shield correctly, a rare sight in video games.

[@_Just_John]

I am pretty sure it's just a coincident.

[@cr-hr3bv]

The worm thing looks "inspired" by GW2 wurms, particularly its Great Jungle Wurm boss which has a wind-up spin/flail attack (pbaoe & knockback) but actually looks cool.

[@LautaroQ2812]

"This is a steal... literally" Teammate: Shh you can't say that! Kira did you upgrade from a tiny desk decor-panda to a full fledge Ikea panda? I can't tell since you're in the middle. Also love your initial reaction to yourself being both frustrated and surprised you had already covered it.

[@KiraTV1]

Can you translate that last bit for me mate? Not sure what you're even saying lmao

[@thejkittymews9045]

Nah it's more like JJ: "This is a steal... literally" Developer: "Shh! You can't say that" JJ: " DAMN YOU!!! GET BACK IN YOUR CAGE DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!"

[@gremmy_yt]

I'm a long time viewer and the background music is actually a nice touch to your videos! I usually fall asleep to you watching Arya though so maybe keep those ASMR for me HAHAHA

[@SevenGC89]

Watch out when fighting that worm bc theres a huge giant on top of a nearby cliff shooting you with giant arrows, but at least be happy that you get the Lightning Stake miracle and an undead bone shard for killing him. 😁 Also that serpent boss reminds me of the last season of the show Hemlock Grove when the doctor morphs into his dragon form but still basically retains a human face but its all distorted lol

[@dubioushumor9243]

As someone from America, moving to Florida is not an upgrade from many places.

[@russthebastard]

I didnt think i coiuld enjoy these video's more , but the sneaky lines of "dance commander" there was awesome :)

[@Tracer_Sweat]

Jesus that kickstarter bio looks like an 11 year olds essay on why they think Greek Gods are cool, literally in disbelief that this person actually is smart enough to set up a kickstarter and without a doubt that person must be hard to know in real life.

[@curiositydave6601]

I'm not sure when you added background music, but I really enjoy the addition. Thank you, Kira! Keep up the great work :)

[@psyboyo]

Letting developers out of their cages?! The world has gone mad!

[@jimibaboza]

The rainbow sword is overpowered and needs a nerf.

[@atraxian5881]

150usd "trust me, this is a steal" Weeeeell... It's like he is stealing money from the backer, so ... In a sense?

[@DeeOdzta]

10/10 nearly spat my coffee out across my keyboard laughing. Sadly I don't have a cage yet.

[@EmiFolkMusic]

0:43 Random question: I'm a spanish speaker and couldn't understand that phrase. The auto-translate function didn't help. "Suckle from the glorious teat of kickstarter" ? I think it might be "tit" but the translator didn't want to write that?

[@mileidyclass]

I legit thought the serpent boss' mouth was a mustache at first.

[@harhas2284]

This project looks so good, I came in my pocket AND my shoe. Can't wait.

[@lance7135]

"All I want is frickin' monsters with frickin' laser beams in their eyes! Is that so much to ask?" :P

[@swagg7109]

hahaha wtf, unexpected electric six dance commander lyrics reference out of nowhere.

[@teadreamin9827]

Fun video to watch. Maybe not so surprising you didn't realise you'd covered the game before as you cover so many games. Luckily there was an update you could talk about in an entertaining way! :)

[@BevinEG]

I agree Edit: impressive how he went 4 steps backwards without even considering 'forward' once.

[@TheGrimGary]

Well you quoted Electric Six, so you won today. You are the Dance Commander.

[@TheTonyMcD]

3:36 LASERS! OUT OF IT FRIGGIN EYEBALLS! AND IT'S NOT A SHARK?!?!?! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!

[@fredriklind6727]

I didn't understand why this guy needed such a specific amount for a kickstarter in the previous video, i still don't understand.

[@Relocklabs]

back pay for taxes he owes the govt a pretty penny

[@NaudVanDalen]

He asks for $20,000, but Kickstarter converts it to your local currency. It shows €17,468 for me. That's also why it seems like 1 backer backed no money. Kickstarter rounds the money down.

[@error17_]

funny how he keeps saying "My developer"

[@xPHnerdx]

you had me at lasers come from its eyes

[@joemck85]

2:00 Holy heck, that grass texture looks like one of those "textured" ceilings. It looks nothing like grass.

[@MrPutts-ri8my]

The government really needs to make this BS illegal. I can't believe I'm saying that lmao

[@madsisak]

10:45 that's fookin Snake Borat!

[@SnakeEyes111]

"I hope this brings hype" is the saddest misunderstanding of the word hype especially with the context of this project

[@TheGeneReyva]

I don't know what was going on in that video at 7:01 (and other times) but I genuinely thought my eyes were breaking... jeez that looks like arse.

[@Joe_Yacketori]

7:30 "based on the movie Odyssey" lmao

[@andromedashrine5294]

That thumbnail is genius

[@roblettinga3504]

Literally all he has is the uMMORPG asset from the unity asset store and a some addons as well as a couple monster models that he found somewhere. He hasn't coded anything himself. Not to mention uMMORPG was in a humble bundle 2-3 years ago.

[@xMovingTarget]

Cant wait for this game. This will be my replacement for FF14! The last game I will ever play! **

[@Himlajchan]

What is it this time Kira, LSD? Shrooms? :D I'm teasing, love your videos! :) Also 3 mouse cursors on screen had me tripping :D

[@pyopyonyo3222]

Based on the movie Odyssey? I had no idea Homer was a famous director...

[@Ryanimal]

Thanks for reminding me to sign up for your patreon!

[@jdzsk]

As a "developer" your interpretation is spot on at 5:15

[@pskry]

Caspian taking notes furiously.

[@JennyfaninSweden]

I wish I had the confidence of some of these blatant scam developers!

[@henkweeds1498]

I think kickstarter needs to implement a rule that before funding u need atleast a working alpha

[@agahnimous]

OMG, this is better than Dark & Autumn! Can't wait for the full release!

[@thiswebsitesucksTBH]

"we're basing our era around the time of the movie odyssey" shows a guy in steel plate armour...

[@Sk0lzky]

I'd thought the music was from the clip before Kira said there was no sound kek PS This worm has BDO Kutum vibes

[@rustkitty]

Isn't 14k a little bit slim even just for the NFT part? And of course there are also Kickstarter fees and taxes. I wonder if after all those expenses he would even have enough money to buy the assets for his pet developer to flip...

[@SoundBubble]

Seems like he also moved from Dubai to Florida for this new Kickstarter attempt

[@Connorthecatsdad]

Holy shit kira with the Electric Six reference? If I could double sub I would

[@Mrzombieman]

lol looking at that kickstarter actually hurts my soul for the future of games.

[@Fummy007]

Honestly for me the worst part is he is making a game based on Greek myth but refers to the Odyssey as "the movie"

[@LTrotsky21stCentury]

If all you ever wanted was a pet with frickin laser beams coming out of their frickin eyes, this is the game to get.

[@bwipmwqp]

They don't even know how to stat right it should be requires 60 strength for +89 damage strength is what you use to wield the weapon damage is what it does. How do you make that mistake?

[@saturdaymorningsacredchao2624]

Dubai to South Florida, moving UP? Depends on the exact area I guess

[@scrubbyjanitor1704]

dmt and kickstarter? Literally living the pipe dream