DEBATE: Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith vs. Dennis Prager and Batya Ungar-Sargon: Iran, Israel & Palestine

[@michaelsilverstein1327]

Such a strong start! Prager, "Where's my camera?" Proceeds to completely ignore moderator and look at the wrong camera. Very on brand.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

He looked at the camera he was told to look at.

[@BIGGS1]

Ya no that was def a production error. He looked at the right camera.

[@michaelsilverstein1327]

Rewatch it. He and the moderator pointed at 2 different cameras and he stuck with his.

[@Dutch_Rudder]

He gives me Dick Chaney vibes lately

[@glockgopop]

@@Dutch_Rudder Because he's a neocon POS. Birds of a feather

[@joeybwalsh]

How I think I sound like in an argument: Dave How I really sound like in an argument: Cenk

[@homamyoussef686]

Funny thing is cenk is absolutely right , the pro zionist debaters lack common sense and haven’t backed up anything they said

[@mitchlamping530]

I thought cenk actually didn’t do too bad in this debate he’s not a great debater but he didn’t start yelling like he usually does

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

Cenk you dropped my jaw on the Armenians. Wow man. I’m Armenian and didn’t expect to hear that from you. I appreciate the honesty I really do

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@dougbarker2227 yes he does. I don’t anyone bombarded him and especially Ana on that issue. There was a time when I was writing to them daily on comments and every other way you can think of on that. At least he now acknowledges the truth. That’s an achievement

[@aspectra]

I love Armenians. In Middle School, I became best friends with 1 Armenian, and it soon turned into many, and even being called 'honorary Armenian' by the time I got to High School. I don't agree with most things that Cenk says, but I think he's right on Palestine, and also the Armenian Genocide.

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@@aspectra that’s so nice to hear. I’m assuming you grew up in Los Angeles? I don’t watch Cenk because of the name of the show, young Turks, plus he is too liberal for me but on the Palestinian issue he is spot on. It’s just that in this show, he shocked me with his comments about the Armenians and Greeks. Didn’t expect that. I guess Ana was able to prove to him with facts that there was genocide because Turks were occupying our lands and we were fighting back just like Palestinians are now. It’s so good to hear about your experience in life with Armenians. All the love!!

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

​@@mr.zeitmaschine6878 Bro, how are you making excuses for him?That would be like if a jew was on a show called the daily gustapp 😅

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

@@dudebro91-fn7rz I’m sorry but what excuse? Where did I make an excuse for him? Which part of what I said was an excuse?

[@rosannarapalavicius6739]

I supported Prager in his position during the covid era, but when I realized how much a warmonger he is regarding nuclear bombing Japan and the wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Siria, Libia and most of all Israel, I despise him and really hope he will have to respond to his Creator in whom he proclaims to believe.

[@justinsullivan1285]

This was no debate. Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur moped the floor with Prager and her.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

💯

[@jordyb57]

I think it was pretty fair on both sides….

[@ambergray7552]

@@justinsullivan1285 because when you speak the truth, it’s clear and concise. When all they speak are lies, misinformation, and rhetoric, it cannot hold any weight unless the listener is either completely stupid or willingly deaf to the truth!

[@JohnSmith-sb2fp]

the fact that AIPAC isn't labeled a foreign lobbyist organization is mind boggling.

[@MsZeitgeist85]

Dennis Prager holds a Guinness World Record as the worlds most flexible moral contortionist.

[@B_Bodziak]

I guess that's why he supports the world's most moral army 🙄

[@dnlchoc6830]

The old man is morally wrong. killing and death are the same for anyone. Death by or kill with guns, knives, fire, bombs, stones, or sticks killing and death is the same they stop existing! So to suggest Oct 7 is worse than what is happening to Palestinians is plain stupid! Both acts are wrong!

[@MsZeitgeist85]

@@B_Bodziak Want to hear a joke? Dennis Pragers moral compass. Want to hear a sick joke? The IDF is the world's most moral army.

[@juliuspryce8514]

Nice sarcasm 😂​@@B_Bodziak

[@insightsman196]

Well he doesn't support the most immoral HAMAS like some do, They committed violent acts on October 7th but people like Cenk want to hand them their own state From what it sounds like,, Cenk " free Palestine, we need a two state solution now" person ask Cenk How " I don't know but it's not right" platitudes ideas but no plan , It's easy to blame Israel but when it comes to finding a solution Cenk has none, So why? I mean he is or was running for president, Should he not have an actual plan

[@Kimberly-op9xv]

I've been an American citizen my entire life, and I've never been asked if i support Israel. I dont!! I would rather the money go towards funding my own countries needs and infrastructure than go to a country that's using that money to buy my politicians loyalties. America's political system can not, and does not solve its own issues. We're drowning in dysfunction , but our lawmakers are concerned with other countries' issues ....

[@lizbethartemis4886]

unfortunately Zionists have gradually infiltrated all levels of government and are seated where the $$$ is.

[@AlwaysReason]

"I'VE BEEN AN AMERICAN IN TIMES GOOD, AND I'VE BEEN AN AMERICAN IN TIMES BAD. HUH... UHA..."

[@banquetmeal663]

Never thought I would see Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur on the same team.

[@libertatempugnator9643]

Yeah...this threw me for a loop. Also how did they get Dennis to agree to be here?

[@DrStrangelove_]

Both of them have always been on team America bad.

[@Screaming-Bees]

​@@DrStrangelove_ I mean to be fair when was the last time the American government did something objectively good for humanity, and not for their own self interest?

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@Screaming-Bees It is in their own best interest to get re-elected. And the only way they can do that is by following the will of the people as much as possible. I can't think of a single example off The top of my head a politician who did the opposite of what the people wanted and lasted. Politicians I have voted for who did the opposite of I want in recent memory only did so because what I wanted Was what the minority wanted. Not a perfect system, but still better than the other 195 countries by a long shot.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@Screaming-Bees In short, There is no amount of money politicians can get from any lobbyist. Or any other source that will allow them to Keep getting reelected, doing what is in our worst interest. They might have done what was in our worst interest looking back with 20/20 perfect hindsight, goggles. But at the time we were probably on board with it. P.s . I've been on both sides of this argument and I am still open minded. But the older I get the harder it is to believe that there is a cabal of a small collection of people Who want to make society worse for everyone and they happen to be running it. The vast majority of people are good. The vast majority of people have the best intentions. Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of people happen to be dumb as dirt.

[@BigSteve81]

Prager was triggered! This is the same person that called January 6th a smokescreen.

[@B_Bodziak]

He's also the same person who spent an entire show telling his audience that it's perfectly fine for adult siblings to have sex with each other

[@seanharvey8051]

the proof is now public. He we wright

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

​@@seanharvey8051 no, it was proven to be organized by Trump and his agents. Like the Stop the Steal Hapsburg chin dude getting a permit for like 50 protesters at the capitol, and then people like Alex Jones, purposefully told waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people to go there. Stuff like that. That's just one example.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

January 6th had more FBI informants than protesters.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@Outdoorsguy1212 oh, bless your heart, you just fall hook, line, and sinker for every bit of BS you get fed, huh?

[@rickywade5964]

Nobody thinks it’s wrong to take out a 15 story building claiming you’re looking for 1 tenant?

[@pulvrizr99]

Don't "hide" among innocents if you care about them? If their own leaders don't care, why should we? High road isn't always the best choice in the long run. I'd rather it end now, even bloody, than eternal conflict.

[@daltonbrasier5491]

​@@pulvrizr99we arent claiming Hamas cares about the civilians. Isreal is claiming they care about the civilians. You are evil.

[@kitseu]

@@pulvrizr99 Look at what you said from the perspective of those innocents. "Don't live next to a terrorist thats hiding amongst you" You realize they are trapped there in poverty, right? Also the "human shield" argument that you are using is laughable, bc why would hamas keep trying that strategy when Israel has proven they don't care and will kill innocents too? There is no human shield, all Palestinians are potential targets and they know it. Just admit you see no value in Palestinian life.

[@RichACBlues]

@@kitseu because its working on people like you to try and sew resentment against Israel. come on, stop pretending otherwise.

[@homeone01]

@@RichACBlues Israel has already created resentment amongst the minds of many young people. With the proliferation of social media and internet access, we get to see atrocities committed everyday. The IDF is probably the top 10 most evil armies to exist, and Israel is, objectively, definitely in the top 10 most evil states to exist, if there ever was such a list.

[@jaankuum465]

The funniest moment was when Cenk Uygur said Dennis Prager sounded like his Turkish relatives.

[@mitchlamping530]

I laughed at that part too😂

[@tronray4479]

Debating with folks like Prager is a total waste of time and energy.

[@BarbaraRenovato]

He ìs a fanatical Zionist and is criminally insane!

[@legendofthefall7082]

@dougbarker2227 LMAO the only person Prager has ever made foolish in a debate is himself.

[@ebkspirit4474]

@dougbarker2227 prager is the only one who tells the truth

[@JeshuaOurGod]

Troll

[@JeshuaOurGod]

@@ebkspirit4474 agree

[@kamrunnaharnitol9738]

No one has a problem with a Jewish state. But you can't just steal land and just keep saying we are the only jew state. Your stand should be based on legality. Indians were living in India for all their lives so they didn't just come from somewhere and made it a hindu state. That's no way related to Israel.

[@sipp91]

Nothing was stolen. They literally came there during the time when the land was legally owned by the league of nations and later Britain after the falls of ottoman. You talk about legality yet you clearly missed on that.

[@gluehfunke1547]

People are confused. They don’t understand that Israel was built on the expulsion of an entire civilization already living there. They just hear bed time stories about Jewish tribes living there 3,000 years ago and think that’s somehow the same thing as Zionism.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@sipp91 Yes completely ignore the native already living there before the settlers violently forced them out.

[@MrSportz1234]

So where should the Jewish state be if not their ancestral homeland where the majority of Jews reside?

[@sipp91]

@@dalekrenegade2596 that's after 1947 UN partition when there was civil war going on to establish the state. Violence and displacement after partition is not unusual. Doesn't change the fact that migrants came there legally before partition.

[@johnnguyen5681]

Prager asks him to name one more atrocity . . . Proceeds to interrupt Dave incessantly to prevent him from naming anymore 😅

[@alexzman85]

Because there is none

[@johnnguyen5681]

@@alexzman85 so Prager stopped him from talking because he didn't want him to name 'none' 😅 ? This is the Google age . . . .

[@johnnguyen5681]

@sethblank3139 The ICC and ICJ have named many 😂 . . .

[@dallas1891]

@@alexzman85Do you want a comprehensive list?

[@seanpatrick1243]

I just fell off my chair hearing Denis Prager claiming he believes in free speech.

[@Wise__guy]

Yeah free for you to hear his speech and only his speech

[@LocoGeorge123]

Dennis Prager is so gross I can’t bare to hear him speak

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

He is most bias: Cenk and the other guy are right

[@sethgyan]

Any argument or just feelings?

[@HELLYEAH1313]

God Bless Dennis. He is a good man.

[@keyboardwarriorsaint]

​@@sethgyan Prager is a dirty, lying Isreal first Mossad agent and propagandist. He doesn't look like a indigenous person of the middle east. He must be speaking on behalf of colonizers and invaders. I wonder if Buddhist converts in the west can set up a state somewhere in india/Nepal/asia. Maybe they can get it done can bribing the UN with money from rich bankers like the Rothschilds.

[@shmuelsegev2065]

@@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt you are bias tell me befor the debat you where pro israeli

[@Gimmemine59]

What do you mean let the voters decide? It’s already clear no matter what our politicians will staunchly stand beside Israel regardless of their actions

[@gregoryreynolds3612]

All they have to do is speak sternly about how they don't approve and then go back to business as usual. Then they get to honor their geopolitical alliances (make money) AND take the moral high ground.

[@cooloutac]

My friend that's because no one votes in America. No one even contacts their politicians. it's just a bunch of children and crazy people on social media complaining which doesn't represent anything and isn't going to change anything.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

The Palestinians voted Hamas into power.

[@cooloutac]

No one votes in America bud that's the problem. They don't even contact their politicians. In fact the only people that even complain of social media or a bunch of kids and crazy people so it doesn't get taken seriously.

[@cooloutac]

@gregoryreynolds3612 Noone votes in American no one contacts their politicians and the only people complaining on social media are a bunch of kids and crazy people no one takes seriously so of course the politicians can do whatever they want.

[@Deanie-xp1sq]

How can that woman revert to “what number would you accept “ when being questioned about the lack of outrage for 15,000 children slaughtered?

[@TraverseTex]

This is how a debate should be run. While there were a few moments of intense rebukes, it was mostly civil while remaining very passionate arguments for both sides.

[@nowthenzen]

Amazingly Dennis Prager seems to actually believe his BS.

[@gibransalazar7769]

He's correct

[@Politicallyhomeless18]

Of course he believes it And he's right.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

It’s real hard to tell. I thought no before, but seeing him here it’s pretty clear the mental faculties have declined significantly. He’s just repeating the same one liners he always uses and doesn’t really seem to be following the conversation.

[@Nicenests]

@@Politicallyhomeless18 Right about what exactly?

[@Politicallyhomeless18]

@@Nicenests The core piece of the conflict. Mainly, that Palestinians don't believe Israel has the right to exist within any border, whether that be 67, 48, or whatever

[@starsandmoon23]

Dave Smith makes perfect sense, there should be no war between no one. We must all live in peace together

[@karimjomeen]

if we were not human and another species of simply pure good that could be possible

[@wcmc4250]

You've got to respect the fact that all these people with completely different vantage points agreed to this debate. No one is perfect in debate but the exchange of ideas is so essential to understanding these problems

[@michelled.4874]

As some people pointed out in the comment section: "Prager's argument was dishonest off the bat. The Arab states didn't oppose Israel simply because they hate Jews, they opposed the mass transformation, displacement, and subsequent massacres that occured against the native population. It was also clear from the start that Israel was a hostile nation." "DURING THE HOLOCAUST no countries wanted EU JEWS, except Palestine. Now stolen Palestine is called "Israel". NATIVE PALESTINIANS are left homeless, stateless. WOW." Nuff said. One of many angry and disgusted LGBT and pro-choice (anti forced birthers) Canadian Non-Partisan/Independent Christians with political and denominational affiliations (and proud of it).

[@PaxilRose]

Look,if the Pager side sounded completely delusional it's because they weren't supplied with fresh human blood to drink while on the panel. Famishing

[@relic_holic]

@@michelled.4874 Looks like we’ll be needing a more precise acronym… Your concise summation of the seeminglythe backstory to this dog and pony show

[@chiddleychidds4917]

Yea true that.

[@microsoftpain]

This is so weird, Dave Smith and Cenk Uygur being on the same debate team, even though those 2 could not be more different. I'm only watching this for Dave. 💀

[@mikelewis495]

Cenk was amazing though. He's wrong on so much but he killed it in this debate

[@theyeticlutch3486]

True​@@mikelewis495

[@Themanhimself677]

Kenk is a great man

[@melissacoupal585]

​@@mikelewis495I thought they were all terrible. I've spent hours and hours researching this and this is the worst debate I've seen yet. None of them did justice to their casues and I actually thought Cenk was the worst. I'm not sure if that's because of my prior knowledge of watching manipulate and mislead on so many things or not though. Regardless, I thought they were all very bad at adding anything new or constructive. I'm sure they did a good job being cheerleaders for the people who watched that have already made up their mind and decided that they have the right of it, but for people coming in unbiased who are just trying to understand and make an informed decision -- this was awful.

[@manfredfinch]

Prager is so arrogant.

[@DavidNasserAbujudomII-gb3lh]

You are right; but, that’s the least he is. He’s more than that. I don’t I can say what I would like to say and give him the satisfaction.

[@Nicenests]

Talking to Prager is like talking to a wall. He’s convinced his opinions are facts and refuses to lose an inch of his Islamophobia

[@cherrypicker1600]

Human ego and pure arrogance

[@joshuadevamithran3774]

Pragar’s entire argument was based on fact where Cenk’s was just yelling genocide genocide when the whole panel had already agreed the term isn’t really accurate lol

[@ThePoeticjustice1989]

Actually less than half of the panel said it’s not a genocide, Ungar conceded that it’s more of an ethnic cleansing, and Dave Smith said he doesn’t care about the term because of its definition, but has called it a genocide in the past. Prager is the only one who said it’s categorically not a genocide. Also Prager sucks ass

[@garywebb2432]

@@joshuadevamithran3774 thats a pivot lmaoo

[@B_Bodziak]

He is like that about every single opinion he has. I cannot stand him, and I cannot believe there are states using him to shape their department of education

[@theveteransergeant]

It's hard to watch this kind of stuff when you have unserious participants like Prager.

[@tonytooshort]

I'm so fckin glad David pressed Prager about his disgusting comparison between hamas and the nazi's 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@gibransalazar7769]

How is that disgusting. Hamas and Nazis are basically the same.

[@jameswhite3415]

​@@gibransalazar7769If the jews killed 30 million Germans and the Germans killed 6 million jews in world world War 2 do you seriously believe it would be viewed the same way?

[@katuiran]

​@@gibransalazar7769No listen what David said in rebuttal.

[@zbman1002]

@@katuiran he was incorrect

[@joshuadevamithran3774]

@@katuiran his rebuttal was ridiculous. Obviously Pragar isn’t saying the size and scope of Hamas and the Nazi’s are the same, or the territorial control or mass killings equivalent. He’s arguing that the brazenness with which Hamas acts is greater than the Nazi’s since the Nazi’s tried to hide what they were doing. His rebuttal was a classic example of straw manning to win points in an argument rather than grappling with the actual argument. And Pragar called him out on that.

[@Solus3D]

Pragger begin with lies. I don't see the point of debate with people like him.

[@LynnRPerry]

Perhaps you should make a list of your assertion. Much better to judge your statement if we understand where you see “lies.”

[@ambergray7552]

@@Solus3D it’s absolutely pointless to hold a debate with people that only want to throw smoke screens, lies and propaganda and spit it out like it’s truth

[@RobPires]

@@LynnRPerryPrager implied in hos opening speech that Palestine were always unreasonable and wanted to kll jws. That is not true. Palestine were against foreigners overtaking their land. It was natural reaction. They would have done the same if it was russians or brazilians.

[@jr3608]

If Cenk Uygur and Dave Smith can be on the same side of a debate in this historic event, then fixing all of the problems in the Middle East are way easier than I thought up until this moment.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

Dennis: “I don’t differentiate between you two.” 😂😂😂

[@crustys6900]

@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 yeah that's insane, the people who can't see the difference between cenk and smith (The most diametrically opposed ideologically people in this debate) shouldn't have the right to vote because they're clearly captured by either Israeli or Raytheon talking points.

[@nealorr5086]

@@crustys6900 The lady on the other side sure sounded a lot like a Democrat to me. Her only point is that Israel should be treated held to the same standards that USA or European countries are, and it is not.

[@DevilsBackbonePullers]

The comedian Dave Smith was on point.

[@raisedbobcat8266]

Isn’t it crazy that the comedian is the best guy on all of this

[@chrisporter9397]

@@raisedbobcat8266The fact that a standup comedian could come on here and blow out of the water someone like Dennis Prager (a man who’s specialized in this very topic since before Dave was even born) really just goes to show how indefensible Israel’s position is today.

[@mechengineer4life]

b/c he has been covering politics since he saw the light about teh state and economics thanks to the great Ron Paul!!! He's a great comedian but he's even better as a political and cultural analyst and commentator.

[@next4506]

He let the mask slip with respect to his bigotry a couple times

[@next4506]

@@mechengineer4lifeAh yes the great Ron Paul, a presidential candidate who wanted to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 😂

[@davidfich957]

Is no one going to respond to Cenks great take on lobbying? Money is corrupting what’s left of our democracy.

[@SallyAlmito]

Exactly!!!

[@latoyahammond7229]

Dennis Pager’s comment about Ethiopians is incorrect. There is a large population of Ethiopian Jews. A lot live in Israel now and are treated horribly by the racist in Israel.

[@pablofont1038]

They sterilize Ethiopian woman without telling then so they cannot have black babies

[@sethgyan]

Evidence?

[@samueladler9752]

@@sethgyan I'll admit there's a certain amount of racism against them. But I wouldn't call it horrible. They have the same legal rights as everyone else in Israel.

[@TheWunder]

@@sethgyan Depo provera and plently of human rights ogs cover this

[@sethgyan]

@@samueladler9752 Evidence?

[@Makelikeatreeandgetoutofhere]

Damn…I’m not a a Dave smith or Cenk fan…but they crushed. Good job guys

[@dana58882]

Dave Smith is a brilliant debater. He is calm, focused and knowledgeable. Both Dave and Cenk have the wealth of knowledge needed to counteract the distortions of the trutĥ and the massive propaganda from the other side.

[@kenhiett5266]

lol...I love a good belly laugh. Thank's for that.

[@Ali_Haji_SouthAfrica]

They all did well ... The poor presenter tho 😅🤣

[@nealorr5086]

Yes, he was so calm, screaming "THE NAZIS HAD SUBMARINES!" His baseline argument: "The power of the party is correlated to the morality of the party" is no cap stupid.

[@tob855]

Everything Batya said was bullshit

[@michaelpacheco2010]

Literally she was just parroting talking points that as we see now, didn’t age well, not that they were valid in any way at the time said.

[@detrockcity3]

Name them, Dennis? Really? ZeroHedge viewers aren't as stupid as your listeners. Let's name them: the King David Bombing and the USS Liberty, just for some starters that will hit close to home for this audience. Then let's move on to: Baldat al-Shaikh Massacre, the Yehida Massacre, the Khisas Massacre, the Qazaza Massacre, The Semiramis Hotel Massacre, Al-Sheikh Village Massacre, the Deir Yassin Massacre, the Naser Al-Din Massacre, the Tantura Massacre, Beit Daras Massacre, the Dahmash Mosque Massacre, Dawayma Massacre, among others in '47-48; the Sharafat Massacre of '51; the Kibya Massacre of '53; the Khan Yunis Massacre, the Gaza City Massacre, and the Kafr Qasem Massacre of '56; the Al-Sammou' Massacre of '66; the Kawnin Massacre and the Aitharoun Massacre of '75; the Hanin Massacre and the Bint Jbeil Massacre of '76; the Abbasieh Massacre and the Adloun Massacre of '78; the Saida Massacre and the Fakhani Massacre of '81; the Sabra & Shatila Massacre of '82 (in Lebanon, but still slaughtering refugees); the Jibsheet and Sohmor Massacres of '84; in 1985, the Maaraka, Zrariah, Jibaa, Yohrnor, and Horneen Al-Tahta Massacres occurred; the Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre in '86; the Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre in '87; the Oyon Qara Massacre, the Siddiqine Massacre, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre of '90; the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre, and the Eretz Checkpoint Massacre, all in 1994, along with the Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre and the Nabatyaih School BUS Massacre; the Qana Massacre in 1996; Janta in '98; in '99, the 29th of June Massacre and the Western Bekaa Villages Massacre; another al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre in 2000; Lebanon in 2006, where 900 of the 1100 killed were civilians; the Operation "Cast Lead" Gaza Massacre in 2009, which killed 1300 women, children, and elderly; the Gaza Siege in 2012; and the 2014 Operation "Protective Edge" Gaza Massacre, in which 2,150 people were killed, 578 of them children and 70-75% of them civilians. This was not even a comprehensive exercise...

[@zachariahtoothman2168]

September 11

[@black_sheep_nation]

And how many peace agreements and land treatiess have the Israeli Governments violated? Oslo, Camp David, to name a few

[@priyanka5316]

Beautiful reply, and thank you! I am copying your response because its the truth that matters and needs to be shared!

[@Suresh_Kamath]

All the whining about Palestinian not recognizing the right of Israel to exist. Does Israel recognize the right of Palestine to exist. Netanyahu was waving a map in UNO that showed Westbank and gaza as part of Israel

[@jeremyb6013]

Why did anyone listen to or respect Dennis Prager

[@nelsonpereira4442]

because they think he is clown.. and people like clowns..

[@joshuamiller3948]

Dennis is a clear racist, and Batya has no clear point she just asks questions

[@Vendettaavenger]

they ignore historical fact and documentary record

[@grahamfinlayson-fife73]

Where's the racism?

[@mitchlamping530]

@@grahamfinlayson-fife73what about racism?

[@grahamfinlayson-fife73]

@@mitchlamping530 Where is Prager's racism? Put up or shut up!

[@redmed10]

Its hilarious how on the one hand she admits the horrible destruction wrought by Israeli forces and almost in the same sentence minimises it.

[@shmuelsegev2065]

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[@cooloutac]

Because to most people war is not a fair fight like a sporting event. When the same arguments can be used to defend Hitler and the only reply to that is but Hitler was more powerful, the debate is over.

[@dc741]

She has no conscious like the rest of the thugs in her stolen land

[@kyleolson9636]

She does not minimize the destruction, she minimizes any implication of evil intent from the Israelis. If you start a war against a more powerful opponent while stationing your troops in a civilian populated area, you are primarily culpable when 10 civilians die for every combatant killed. Total death on each side of a war is a factor of battle tactics, military strength, and success, not the level of evil intent on each side. The Japanese were the clear aggressor in WW2, yet their casualties were 20 times higher than the Americans. I can both admit to the devestation the US caused in the Pacific while also not considering these actions as evil.

[@cooloutac]

@@kyleolson9636 Because that can't be proven. If there is any evil intent they are hiding it. Unlike Hamas and Iran who publicly call for the extermination of Jews. Whether they are throwing rocks or missiles is irrelevant. Chenk and David admitted Hamas is morally equivalent to the Nazis. Period.

[@AbrahamAzam]

Every Israeli supporter who goes on these debates always says the exact same thing. Not an original thought goes on their head

[@spicysharkroll6257]

What’s a nuance thought from Hamas supporters ?? Same old resistance bs??

[@AP-op4rc]

@@spicysharkroll6257 No lol 😂 have you ever actually paid any attention to what people calling for ceasefire are saying?

[@AbrahamAzam]

@@spicysharkroll6257 None of these men on the panel are Hamas supporters. Also their are many arguments made against the occupation not just by Muslims but by Jews who survived the holocaust. Id encourage you to do your research.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

​@@AbrahamAzam Dave Smith literally acknowledged that hamas is a terrorist organization that commits atrociplease.But that's not good enough for the Zionist.S they'll still call him hamas supporter for having any sympathy for palestinians.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

Maybe because it’s the truth?

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

Prager argued by comparison theres no innocent Palestinian civilians and theres no innocent German civilians under NAZI rule but never said theres no innocent israeli citzens under Netanyahu rule. I despise Pragers shameful lying and out of context points and omission in his arguing . Him and Batya like hypocritical western govt and media call Hama terrrorists but refuse to call Israel terrorists

[@Abe4one]

The shit didn’t just start on October 7th. In fact it started in 1897.

[@rasheedgriffith3169]

And reducing it to Oct 7th is a disingenuous, obvious attempt to pigeonhole attention to a hamas attack and get people to ignore everything that happened before. It is disgusting!

[@dumpsterdiverdetector]

they made up fake violent islam long before that

[@mikeythezero]

Cenk and Davey were on fire in this, and it was awesome seeing a progressive and a libertarian be in agreement on so much, Dave was nodding along with most of what Cenk said and vis-versa

[@jameswhite3415]

Cenk and Davey have a very easy position to defend. The other side is defending a position not based in reality. So you have to be intellectually dishonest and be amazing at telling a story ot just have cognitive dissonance and quickly hit with too many points for the other side to respond to.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

💪🏾

[@mikeythezero]

@@jameswhite3415 nothing to add to that, just wondering, TYT, POTP or LOS lead you here

[@CaptainDarrick]

​@@jameswhite3415' not based in reality ' ? So the slaughter of 1300 innocent souls by the most evil murderers on earth was not real ?

[@phirephate]

Never thought I'd see the day when Dave Smith and Cenk were on the same team for any issue. And they crushed Prager.

[@nealorr5086]

Really, because even the most liberal of Democrats agree that Smith is full of it. MSNBC pointing out that Smith is a Hamas propagandist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXnao4eVh92Xo5I

[@DeRussellMasina]

That first guy seemed...bias 😅 Saying what's happening in Gaza isn't genocide is wild

[@jaredmello]

By your standard, every country that participated in any modern war is guilty of genocide

[@RIPZSmoke420]

Dave Smith is great at finding common ground and then overwhelming them with key facts that dismantle the oppositions argument. Propagandists don't argue in good faith. Well done Dave and Cenk

[@Theunderbellywithpetit]

He is the best ever

[@RobinGething]

As im in my 40s. ive watched plenty of pragarU and co. The gaslighting this man and his crew engages in over the years is staggering. If hes telling the truth, its accidental. he is not a good faith actor.

[@keyboardwarriorsaint]

What do you expect from a mossad agent

[@GabrieleMelucci]

Prager is a prisoner of his own derangement.

[@johnsolodovesky582]

you can never defend the blockade of food and water to 2 million people.

[@lindaflesch7303]

No

[@jordyb57]

Nobody is starving in Gaza

[@3naturalBionutrition]

​@jordyb57 that's NOT what the statement said. You're moving the goalposts.

[@zm20109]

@@jordyb57 yeah , exactly nobody is starving in Gaza Only three died in a car wreck not by the Israeli IDF no no no no that’s a lie Everybody in Gazza is having a great time Party all night nobody is hungry they’re having filet mignon and oysters every evening I saw at least five Palestinian families having wine and dining The kids were playing in the courtyard. Their two teenagers sons took their girlfriends to the prom. I can’t believe this Palestinian propaganda I don’t know what that Hamas propaganda is talking about

[@joeatheist3545]

Did we supply aid to the Germans during WW2?

[@williamdougherty8641]

Great debate but should’ve been just Dennis and Dave. They are clearly the most knowledgeable and articulate on the subject.

[@corysimmons455]

That dennis guy is crazy and makes absolutely no sense that woman lying as well

[@Spiderman5000-w1h]

"This is the first time a democracy was considered the aggressor" That's clearly untrue without having to briefly think about geopolitical conflicts since 9-11

[@patrickmckeever5306]

If BIAS were to suddenly appear as human, it would be Dennis Prager. His level of being unable to discern is simply astonishing.

[@priyanka5316]

I think he can discern, but he chooses not to and has the mouth to spew so many words that some people, including himself, get lost in his non-stop babble, LOL!

[@jeremyrabida5543]

The sweeping false equivalences, made by Prager specifically, of any Palestinian civilian casualty to Nazi's is viscerally sickening!!! I fail to comprehend how it is logically possible to not acknowledge that the occupation is the root cause of the entire conflict. (I'm referring specifically to Gaza, not other extraneous relgious conflicts.)

[@lydiaw587]

Read Sami Obeid for a gazan inside perspective.

[@tylerwarren1571]

Dave and Cenk did such an amazing job providing historical context to those of us who either weren’t alive or too young enough to understand Middle East policy here and abroad that has lead to the situation we are in now. I feel far more equipped to stand against the pro-Israel side of this war now than ever before! This is also coming from someone who grew up in a neo-conservative, Christian nationalist eco chamber

[@jesusaaj]

I love how one is Republican and the other one is Democrat and can agree that Israel is a criminal country. I felt so lost when I started hearing my side (Republicans) supporting Israel.

[@rhodewarier5938]

@@jesusaaj he isn’t a republican.

[@SteveSmith-hm8ny]

I stopped counting Prager's strawmen after three. Have some self-respect dude.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

It’s painful when the truth doesn’t match up to your world view.

[@SteveSmith-hm8ny]

@Outdoorsguy1212 People with truth on their side have no need for strawmen.

[@moffattF]

The moderator talked tough but failed to follow through by not stopping people from talking over each other.

[@priyanka5316]

I liked that there was some push and shove; no one got out of hand and you have to admit the topic is pretty intense.

[@Abe4one]

From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free. Is not in Hamas charter in fact it’s a zionist slogan without the word Palestine. What about the map or the idea of greater Israel.

[@poewitx]

Last year on his radio show Prager said it would be good if every American had an Israeli flag in their window … um … do we live in Israel?

[@jameswhite3415]

We want to be spared God's terrible wrath by showing absolute unconditional support for the people who rejected his message.

[@mickisimonson8761]

Dave Smith @ 42:00 makes the point that should end the debate. Israel can't use Hamas as justification for killing innocent Palestinians when they were propping up Hamas to ensure that the international community would never support Palestinian liberation.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

It’s nonsense that they propped up Hamas. I know exactly what he’s referring to and he’s wrong

[@janeanon7063]

@@ZombieLincoln666 They literally funded Hamas you liar. It's a well-supported fact. Go back to Hasbara U. You need to brush up on your skills.

[@JerseySlayer]

Dave is the only one approaching the discussion rationally. Batya is the only other one that concedes any points . Kudos to both of them

[@leftwingersareweak]

You are showing your bias.

[@G0rdiFl0ndi]

All I know is this isn’t the USA’s problem. We’ve got enough to deal with at home.

[@blackloki9]

Exactly has nothing to do with us and we shouldn't fund it.

[@Oddfellowspodcast]

Agreed. Biden needs to stop helping Benny Yahoo.

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

Why does anyone ever listen to Dennis Prager? Everyone knows what he think and what he'll say on all topics. He doesn't change his mind, so why listen to him? It's craziness. Just get a recording of him and play it over and over and over. That's your Dennis Prager interview.

[@nkurdy288]

Exactly, no point in debating a man yelling libel because he thinks that israel hasn’t committed any atrocities against Palestinians.

[@susan073054]

I posted like 5 comments and they all have zero minutes. Am I being blocked?

[@vickybequette5167]

That's because truth isn't wishy, washy

[@3naturalBionutrition]

He is disingenuous

[@mr.zeitmaschine6878]

Let’s totally agree that this was Cenk at his best! This one debate goes to Cenk for sure not only for the Armenians and Greeks but his overall fair approach to every topic today

[@toddmcintosh2685]

I too like his screeching and fist banging and ideological hardline illogical rants

[@mrsfr.]

I’m slowly becoming a Cenk fan! I mean I’ve seen him behaving totally unhinged on Piers Morgan but now I see there’s actually a pretty normal human being there if you dig deep enough 😂

[@Mungo109]

Having the balanced view of acknowledging that both Hamas attrocities and Israeli attrocities are both wrong and should be critisised is not anti-Semitic it is just the truth.

[@makmdphd]

PEOPLE…this conflict DID NOT START on October 7th!

[@traviswebb3532]

Prager trying to bring everything back to ww2 is a losing argument.

[@AndrewofVirginia]

It's as if you're not allowed to question the actions of the largest bloodiest most devastating war in world history. Weird, especially since it's not rare for normal people to strongly question the legitimacy of nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I mean plenty of folks will just say straight up that it was genocide.

[@TURKO-x8m]

Man this cenk guy destroys everybody🫡

[@martthesling]

🤣

[@carah4958]

The Arabs historically saved Jews from the Christian crusaders, were initially welcoming to Jews fleeing the Christian Nazis, the Turkish saved Jews from Christian Catholic Spain, when they were being ethically cleansed and forced to denounce their faith, Sallahudeen (spelling) saved Jews from the Romans……. There are still Jews in Iran, there were Jews in Iraq prior to the war, and in other Muslim majority country. Historically the most threat to Jews has been European Christian nations not Muslims. Know your history.

[@lystein1070]

Yes, the jews suffered less under the Muslims, but still suffered persecution in all Muslim countries, are considered subhuman and the Mufti of Jerusalem had an alliance with Hitler, so we didn't lick honey there either

[@zachferguson585]

And the jews did literally nothing wrong each time they were being persecuted right

[@lystein1070]

@@zachferguson585 that is the ultimate Jewish hatred response

[@captainahab9602]

@@lystein1070nose check

[@lystein1070]

@@captainahab9602 meaning?

[@d.rabbit7276]

We keep discussing the October 7th situation while ignoring the decades of mistreatment and killing of the Palestinians by Israel. Also, the fact that there would be no Hamas if Israel wasn't doing what it's been doing to these people.

[@arimoff]

Israel is an endigenous product that liberated it's self from 1400 year Islamic occupation and colonization.

[@AlfieDoolittle]

@@arimoff Hasbara new recruits can't spell and don't know history? It is "indigenous" & "itself" !!! There is nothing indigenous about Eastern Europeans colonizing lands inhabited historically by others in the ME; and Zionism itself was a product of liberation from CHRISTIAN and not Islamic repression. How many things can you get wrong in ONE sentence & still be a viable speaker for new European sponsored repression in the ME?

[@joge2468]

@@AlfieDoolittle Too bad the comment you’re responding to was censored. Let’s clear up a few things. 65% of the Jewish population in Israel is Mizrahi, i.e. from ME countries. They were primarily expelled, unlike the Palestinians who were displaced in the war of independence overwhelming because they were fleeing a war.

[@joge2468]

@@AlfieDoolittle Jews living in Europe would have been thrilled to learn they had finally been deemed European. Jews were considered foreigners, treated as second class citizens, and segregated for most of their history in those countries. How do you suppose the Jewish culture survived largely intact for 2000 years? Why do you suppose Jews have prayed “next year in Jerusalem” for 2000 years?

[@joge2468]

@@AlfieDoolittle The USSR would be appalled to hear you call them Xians btw.

[@benik3297]

IF they want to get out of the west bank then why are there more and more settlers there?

[@rooks4ever]

Exactly

[@jordyb57]

He said the average Israeli…. I live in Israel and most people (Jews) I interact with have never been to the West Bank and don’t even consider it Israel

[@nealorr5086]

There are more and more Gazans every year... you realize they're not moving in. What happens is when two people love each other very much, and get married, they have what is called "a baby". There were Jewish settlements in what is known as the West Bank before the state of Israel existed. Are you proposing the ethnic cleansing of The West Bank?

[@princeodogwu]

@@nealorr5086 yeah 3% of the population was Jewish at the time. Have you checked what that number is now? You guys are clowns

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@jordyb57 and most Germans weren't NatZs. But if you go along with NatZs and refuse to confront them, what's the difference between signing up and singing on by inaction?

[@dirtnap466]

The amount of hamas' ive heard in only 20 minutes is annoying. They act like israel is on the verge of extinction when they are doing all the damage & oppressing Palestinians for more than 75 years

[@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu]

Your premise is null. To start Israel was set up on stolen land. It was setup arbitrarily by the UN and the UK. No one consulted the Native population of Palestinians of they agreed on millions of Europeans Jews coming to Asia. Secondly the PLO renounced and armed struggle and got nothing from Israel. So your argument is null from the beginning.

[@markymarkymarkymarky]

Except there has never been an independent nation of Palestine. Never, ever. No such thing as Palestine

[@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu]

@@markymarkymarkymarky So you're saying a nation to be nation must be a State? So basically for 2500 years Jews were not a nation. The ancient Israelites in Moses time were also not a nation because they didn't have a State. No dude your logic is flawed. There has been a nation of Palestinians for 2000 years. They went from being Jews to Christian to Muslim and minority Christian in those 2 thousand years. They never left. So no one has the right to set up a State on amother nations land.

[@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu]

@Sigueme1 That Israel and this Israel are two totally different things. There is no continuity. Just because you follow Judaism doesn't make you an ancient Israelite. If I become a pagan I'm not an heir of Alexander the Great automatically. The people from Europe had no connection to Palestine for 2000 years. The Palestinians have been there without exception for 2000 years.

[@markymarkymarkymarky]

@@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu A nation and a state are the same thing. They have a rules and laws. They have a currency. They have a government. The Palestinians had none of those things in the last 2000 years, ever. And yes, the Jews don’t have a nation, but Israel does. Jews live all over the world and can have passports from the UK, US, France, etc. Israelis have an Israeli passport. Israelis have a government. They have a currency. They have an established date when they became a nation. They have the variables as other nations. Facts are stubborn. Let me ask you this- is there a Kurdish people? Is there a Kurdish nation? Is there a Siberian people? Is there a Siberian nation? I think that answers that.

[@markymarkymarkymarky]

@@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu BTW- you know there are Palestinians with Bosnian roots, right? With Syrian, Egyptian, Saudi roots? What don’t you understand?

[@TelemakUlysses31]

Dennis Preager talking about morals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@svensellin]

Dave Smith needs to be in politics. The guy is on point with EVERYTHING.

[@yourewelcomeamericathepodc1601]

Almost ran on the libertarian Presidential ticket but he has two young children. Follow his podcast Part of the Problem. Dave’s great

[@williamtallman9816]

@@yourewelcomeamericathepodc1601 The Libertarian Tupac. The Most Consistent M'Fer You Know

[@nealorr5086]

@@williamtallman9816 Tupac was a drama nerd who got killed because he was playacting a gangsta... so actually, yeah, the comparison is apt.

[@williamtallman9816]

​@@nealorr5086what are you saying? Dave is a gangster? He's a Mises Caucas Libertarian.

[@nealorr5086]

@@williamtallman9816 He thinks he's a Libertarian gangsta, with his "THE NAZIS HAD SUBMARINES" genius.

[@themikesdeadshow]

Netanyahu said from the river to the sea in 77 and that is before Hamas existed.

[@andrekeefer2034]

Anti Zionism is NOT anti semitism.

[@Jan4Jan4NA]

Wrong, go ahead and learn the definition of Zionism 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@817sports]

@@Jan4Jan4NAZionism is the belief of a Jewish ETHNOSTATE in the Levant. I am against ethnostates they are racist and are morally equivalent to hitlers idea of an aryan race

[@TheRangeroftheWastes]

@@Jan4Jan4NA Define Semite then.......

[@sethgyan]

Being against the only Jewish state existing isn't anti semitism?

[@jasonpillay9909]

@@Jan4Jan4NA

[@Metal_666]

So that's the quality education you're going to get from PragerU 🤣

[@mc-lb9dk]

without zionists no hamas. ergo

[@jordyb57]

Hamas states they want to kill all Jews, all over the world

[@sinistershack]

Who cares if you’d put your hand on the Bible that book does not mean nothing it’s a fictional mythical bundle of fables.

[@themikesdeadshow]

They both acknowledge it

[@jacksonperez5615]

It isnt

[@MelbasVoice]

I am having trouble concentrating because of the chick saying "ham ass" and the all white guy saying "chah mahss". Also, Turkey guy is right, but very uncomfortably scary when he shouts. Dave Smith is a real class act.

[@thomaspollack7451]

Yeah that’s Cenk lol

[@depmaudoofal74]

Nice! When two non semites that staunchly defend a side by horribly pronouncing words from a language they don’t speak, all because they believe it makes them seem credible… is hilarious!! 😂

[@thomasjaggers3576]

Cenk is like a smart Labrador Retriever. OK, maybe more like a Chesapeake Retriever. He does bark rather viciously but is in the end rational.

[@AnthonySopran0]

"Turkey guy"

[@rft9776]

​@@AnthonySopran0😂😂

[@dominicknights4339]

This was a great debate. The people are the winners 🏆. Dave and Cenk won in my view.

[@priyanka5316]

Yep.

[@charlieb9064]

Prager's argument was dishonest off the bat. The Arab states didn't oppose Israel simply because they hate Jews, they opposed the mass transformation, displacement, and subsequent massacres that occured against the native population. It was also clear from the start that Israel was a hostile nation.

[@hudsontoo1212]

Dave is the only rational human being on this panel.

[@mattspy4316]

Whoever this Dave guy is, he’s great!!!

[@NathanH83]

Yea, Candace Owens had him on. He makes really good points.

[@irispihema462]

Why are you people ignoring the Palestinian massacres committed by Isreal don’t they count

[@mohsenaahmad3915]

Dave is brilliant . I have so much respect for Dave .

[@dave9547]

Agreed

[@nealorr5086]

"ethically, Nazis and Hamas are the same" "THE NAZIS HAD SUBMARINES!!!" You: Brilliant!

[@chrisporter9397]

@@nealorr5086If these are the best examples you could find to make him look silly, then you’ve proven the OP’s point for him in spite of your bad faith attempts to do otherwise.

[@nealorr5086]

@@chrisporter9397 That's interesting. You make a bad faith defense of Smith's bad faith argument by calling my argument bad faith. Don't use that phrase, you literally don't know what it means. Smith's argument was by definition "bad faith", He pretended that Prager was saying that Hamas and the Nazis are the same, therefore Hamas took over 3/4ths of Europe. Hamas doesn't even speak German! Do you believe Smith ACTUALLY thinks that Prager doesn't know that Hamas didn't not take over 3/4ths of Europe? It was a bad faith argument. Of COURSE Prager was talking about the moral position of Nazis and the moral position of Hamas. To pretend otherwise is in bad faith. Me making fun of it, was condemning Smith's, argument. He made a lot of bad faith statements, I just quoted one of them. I would tell you that you're out of your league here, but your a Dave Smith fan, so you'd be too dumb to recognize it anyway. Smith's main argument, that disphittery aside, is that the civilian to combatant ratio is too high. That is also a bad faith argument, because first of all, we don't know what the ratio is, and secondly, Hamas imbeds themselves into the civilian population and traps civilians in buildings they know are going to be bombed. It's 100% Hamas's fault that the ratio is too high, and it's 100% Hamas's fault that there's any ratio at all. But of course, he never blames the terrorists for acting like terrorists do. You know why? Because he's a bad faith actor.

[@sspbrazil]

I always try to think of anything useful that Dennis Prager has to say every time I see him talk and he always disappoints.

[@jonathanthainguyen]

Ever since I heard him say that Dave Rubin is more useful in saying he is a classical liberal than a conservative, I know whatever he says is tinged with an ulterior motive.

[@sspbrazil]

@@jonathanthainguyen tinged? Lol. Dave Rubin must always look in the mirror and be utterly in aware that he got as far as he did because he’s one of the dumbest guys I ever seen that has become successful on independent media.

[@ThePoeticjustice1989]

You know the world has gone to hell when Dave Smith and Cenk are debate partners.

[@harrypitt]

Am curious, why these two are unlikely debate partners.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@harrypitt They're not. I don't know why I keep seeing this comment. They are both on team America Bad, and always have been.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@harrypitt there not. There both team Ameriabad

[@cooloutac]

Dave literally lost the whole debate in the first 10 minutes like cenk usually does, when they admit their arguments can be used to defend Hitler but claim it's different because Hitler was less powerful. As if war was supposed to be a fair fight sporting event and it doesn't matter how evil a a government is or how many times they attack others. they should get a pass if they are smaller. That's literally what the whole Palestine vs Israel debate always boils down to and the majority of the world is never going to accept that.

[@DrStrangelove_]

@@cooloutac autobot sides with underdog

[@allisonficsor1000]

The way Dave Smith was trying to hold back his laugh 24:00 😂

[@mohamedfarah1053]

How could you be so insensitive and talk about Hamas stealing food as opposed to Israel annihilating the whole innocent kids, women and elderly in Gaza????!!!!

[@jawoodsiii]

Cenk and Dave (especially Dave) are destroying these two with facts. Batya ignores the Israelis protesting their own gov't. She and Dennis also ignore the majority of Americans want a ceasefire and a diplomatic solution.

[@gold_ram_5.780]

Why should we demand a ceasefire. If Canada invaded America the same way and we attacked back does anyone have a right to tell us to stop. The answer is no. Get a clue. Isreal didn't start the war. They have the right to go in and go finish the war. Your feelings mean nothing. Here's reality it's war. War is ugly . You don't like it but it's not our war. Go there and protest. Hamas made the choice to start this. Look at every war in history there are casualties. It's unfortunate. In the in you me anyone I'm America has zero I repeat zero say what isreal does.

[@CTomCooper]

@@gold_ram_5.780By all means, Israel’s government even if it’s to the disagreement and detriment of its own citizens (evidenced by the blowback of October 7’th in Netanyahu’s choosing to keep Hamas as an existing target despite their attack in 2014) can fight the battles it wants to. Just not at the expense of US taxpayer’s money. Yes. War, and wherein this case abroad for many people in the states dragged into this topic, is ugly. It’s also not the problem of foreign nations to be concerned with. That’s just as well your own concern to deal with as it is people who live in the eastern region so far as you’re willing to go support one side over another with your own time, energy and money. What’s evident however is that you allow the military industrial complex to gaslight you into demanding war never ceases, and the warmongers shed as many innocent non-militant people’s lives as they deem necessary. That strikes me as a mindset that’s pretty antithetical to anything religious that at least in creed and doctrine would hope for peace.

[@hughjassough1427]

I condemn what actually happened on October 7th, but many of the claims that are being made here have been debunked. There is no evidence of widespread systemic rape on October 7th. Many of the families of the supposed victims have came forward and refuted the claims that were made. It is possible that some women were raped, but at this time we don't have evidence. As for the dismembering of children, and setting babies on fire part this has also been debunked. We know that two babies were killed on October 7th. One was shot through a door while being held by their mother, another was a pregnant woman that was shot, and she and her unborn child subsequently died from the injuries they sustained. Those stories are bad enough. They have to embellish these stories, because they want Palestinians to be seen as wild animals unworthy of having your concern over their lives. As for Israel not targeting women or children, Israel had a program they nicknamed daddies home. Israel targets any male of fighting age as Hamas, instead of killing these men when they find them they have a program where they wait until they go home to their families, and then they bomb them. That's why they call it "daddies home". Google it.

[@Iz0pen]

Seeing Dave & Cenk sitting next to each other on the same side of the table proves that there can be peace!

[@ambergray7552]

And how can you possibly say that the Palestinians are not imprisoned??? Do they have the freedom to go anywhere?? Do they have the freedom to have necessary things like fresh drinking water and food?

[@Dan-mf7kp]

What is sad is no country around the Palestinians want them. So they don't have the freedom to go anywhere because no one wants them in their countries. Don't blame that on Israel. It's sad and I don't understand why other Muslim countries don't want them. Do you know why?

[@KevinColeman751]

@@Dan-mf7kpwhat a consistent little worm you are,,😂 Universe has been blessed with you. It knows what it wants to do 😂

[@Xhw3288]

@@Dan-mf7kpdon’t blame it on Israel? Israel AND other Arab states are responsible for it.

[@tobiashardy1620]

Denis reveals the homicidal paranoia that drives this. Sadly the imbalance in weapons results in brutality that requires the persecuted to react.

[@ElectroNeuron]

The way they reacted is the problem. If you did actually watch the Oct 7 videos, you will realise what Israel is facing.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

​@@ElectroNeuron Israel get to cry as commit crimes hundreds of times worse and just keep upping the anti.