THINGS NOBODY TELLS YOU ABOUT E-BIKES...

[@YongPark-g3h]

To me the best part is that ebike enabled my dad (late 60s) to have fun with me and my son. I think he actually enjoys seeing me struggle to keep up with him again. Like it reminds him the old days when he was young and strong and I were little and weak just like me and my son now.

[@davemcbeard]

I remember when people thought full suspension and disc brakes were cheating xD How times have changed.

[@TomCardy]

Yea it’s crazy haha!

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I remember my first full sus the proflex 856. It wasn't cheating I'd say it even handicapped me a bit 😂

[@robplazzman6049]

When I started mountain biking in the mid 90s there were plenty of roadies that would blank me when I gave them a nod (I used to ride to the trails by road).

[@DriverJ-N]

Man I hope one day e-bikes will capable of having a 40ah battery that weighs under 10 pounds and under $1000 for it 😂

[@daslupus4303]

Last long advdnture ride i did, i was 1 of 2 analogue bikes, everyone else was rocking an EB. Most of them were shocked I managed to keep up but none of them ended up with hospital grade heat fatigue.

[@АнтонАлексеенко-р1у]

Neither did they end up with fitness adatpations anywhere near aomparable to yours

[@Xacti100]

I'm 60 and decided to get back into MTB riding, I quickly found that an E-bike was for me. I bought a Specialized Turbo Levo and met with some work mates at Cannock who range from 30 to 52 and ride non e-bikes, we rode all the red runs, not only did I keep up with them down the trails I was kinda bored waiting for them on the uphill sections and was told by a couple that I was cheating(whilst they were sooo out of breath). They changed their opinion at the end of the day tho when I was not as Knackered as they were. I enjoyed that day because I did what I used to do when I was 30 years younger and would not have been able to do it on a non e-bike. Keep up the great videos

[@TheSound0fLegends]

Cannock Chase? I didnt realise there were bike trails around it.

[@Emtbtoday]

Exactly, don't knock it until you've tried it! I bought my first Cube Stereo AT 160 this year. It has nearly everything I wanted. I've just changed the carbon bars to alloy high-rise 38s, a new shorter stem, and nice Vans V2 gray grips. It looks and feels unbelievable with just that small change, plus the Sam Hill oil slick pedals! I haven't had it out long enough. I'm still a bit wary of the battery time and miles. It's still something I need to test to put my mind at more ease before I go miles away from home! It's a 750w Bosch Smart System Gen 4. I've heard a couple of different stories about the miles on the 750w, so testing is all down to you, the rider. Don't listen to rumors! The best thing I've done, coming from DH locals and trials until the accident, good while back stopped me riding is now getting the eMTB to get back out there, as I wouldn't manage a normal bike right now, that's for sure! No chance! Emtb all the way for me now! From the time I've had on it like said not much just now but heading out today once get the token in fork I think I need I'm out in it! Sad thing is now its jaut really me alone riding just now everyone seems to think their grown up now to be out on a bike geez only 39! But managed to get one old mate to buy an ebike so its a start!

[@rudozoltan]

I went from complete noob who rode bike for the last time when I was 10yo (now in 30s), to riding double black trails in my area in about a year, thanks to ebikes. Riding 1-3x a week doing 1000m ascends, cant even imagine doing this on analogue bike. Also, a lot of enduro riders in my area doing car lifts up the hill so I definetely get more training on ebike 😂

[@stevetaylor2818]

Plus: e-bikes are so additive fun, and make everything you love about Mountain biking twice as fun, and as such I ride twice as often, many times further, massively improving my skills/riding ability, my fitness/health, partially my overall body muscle to fat ration (as proved by my latest medical with a very impressed doctor), and as for cost; I have given up owning a car and now e-bike everywhere, massively reducing my overall cost of living, e-bikes just make life better 🙂 (and I love my Haibike Lyke)

[@andrewbuffington5677]

I love e-bikes because I’m not a super young guy anymore, and I also battle with Crohn’s disease. So having that extra help makes it easier for me to stay consistently active and enjoy riding. I was never one for doing tricks and jumps and showing off, just enjoy the feeling of breaking a sweat and staying fit.

[@ryanericksen1223]

I was thinking about this the other day, because you get to reduce the fatigue of peddling uphill, I found I felt stronger and better able to ride with less mistakes on the way down.

[@SloanRanger61]

Thanks for sharing, Tom. Great to have your perspective on the E’bs.

[@TomCardy]

My pleasure!

[@philrob4468]

I did a demo of ibis oso… I found it not as fun for popping around coming down the trail… yes o my god was it funny going up …. It put a smile on my face … but going down it felt like a snow plow … I may buy one eventually, but for now I still like a light playful bike

[@demondavejeep]

Got a hardtail levo in 2017 it sure up my riding skill first dropper and with more laps became a better rider .not like got lot time left to enjoy the sport hoping a new full sus levo keep me rockin the trail .....some great footage there editing top notch Tom and Kara.

[@gleneth]

My e-bike has literally halved my fuel bill. I can cycle 20miles to work so comfortably now that I’ll only use the car in really bad weather

[@philiphawkins4684]

Really the government should get rid of VAT on bikes. I know you can use cycle to work schemes but still no VAT on bikes would really help.

[@colinmcnally5931]

Things they dont tell you! Everything wears out so much faster than a normal mountain bike ie tyres, brakes, chains, sprockets, cassettes, bearings, bushes, suspension and then you have the cost of replacement and spare batteries, gearbox maintenance and possible replacement. Its a lot. Then there is the fire risk , theft risk etc.

[@bermchasin]

i think ebikes are great, and perhaps everyone should try one, but its hard for me to say a beginner should start on an eeb. There is something pure about a mech bike.

[@ksnax]

The problem is fitting in with group rides. It is no fun to always be left behind while everybody waits at the top of grades wondering if you died, and riding alone doesn't inspire people as much to get out there. Ebikes reduce or eliminate that gap, and a lot of riders turn the assist down or even off as their fitness improves.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I had a turbo levo but we didn't use it that much and sold it because depreciation is even worse than a analog bike, I liked most of it but anything over 40lbs is pretty prohibiting for my style of riding and honestly the noise was driving me crazy. Sub 35 pounds and silent I'll write you a check instantly 😊

[@campbellclark3458]

Love the alternating format Tom and KB. Hope to meet you guys one day! Where in the UK are you based?

[@ErwinvanHolten]

Very interesting and all, but what you're not telling is how much is maintainance gonna cost you extra? Like rear suspension an expensive luxury?

[@dewindoethdwl2798]

e-MTBs are definitely a source of more smiles per mile AND they get you fit because you want to ride a whole lot more often.

[@Jaxongaming-d2l]

Been riding for 5 years. Used my analog bike all those years amd told my self never gonna get ebike. Hated them. Fast forward till now. A month ago i got a emtb. And boy i tell you i been riding more, and cam get a ride faster and still sweats.

[@homanyousofi3104]

They are so unbelievably heavy, beyond your wildest dreams. Also true

[@andrewah15]

Thanks for the video explaining e-bikes. 👍🏾. I currently have an analog bike and I’m looking to invest in an e-bike at some point. 👍🏾😎

[@TomCardy]

Glad it was helpful!

[@kevinburke1325]

How many times have you had to replace the motor though? Which bike do you think lasts the longest with motor?

[@TomCardy]

Never replaced a motor dude! I really like the Yamaha System!

[@kevinburke1325]

@@TomCardy that's awesome! I will look into that.

[@BasicBeachCommunity1]

perfect video!!! i almost bought a RAD eeeb but i want a real MTB eeebb...Lol

[@keithwestwood4640]

Love my ebike to 7,537miles with more miles planned ❤cheers Tom.

[@SilverbackOrangutan71]

Would love an Ebike in my 50s...the issue I have with them...I still have to lug them up the stairs....LOL Im starting a new pod cast and would love to have you on as a guest.

[@stevetaylor2818]

I don't lug my e-bike up the stairs, I put it in walk mode and it climbs them for me!

[@colinmcnally5931]

Doing all those jumps!! Get it wrong just once and your in for life changing injuries!! Pure madness!!

[@stevesullivan9377]

Took an Enduro bike to France last year, didn’t even ride it. Too hot. Wished I’d taken the Ebike instead. Wasn’t sure about the security but about 90% of bikes people were riding were Ebikes so it wasn’t like it would have stood out.

[@АнтонАлексеенко-р1у]

Agree 1 through 9, but cheaters they are =) And 90% of ebikers don't get nearly as many fitness out of ebiking. Tried riding one for half a season last year , ended up being my worst season fitnesswise compared to the previous years. Yes you can do a fullblown training on one, but probably won't. It neither makes you work hard, nor does it incentivise you to. So if you are trying to go for fitness, it is probably best riding a regular bike. If you are going purely for fun, that is a whole different story

[@gmatos123]

The fitness statement is debatable though. I have lower back issues from previous injury and had to stop riding MTB for a while since my injury was hurting so much for several days after riding. I still have my analog bikes but my ebike allows me to maintain a 160-170HR throughout my rides. Now these rides are double the time/distance and the best part is not having severe backpain for days after the rides. E-bikes just help and allow some people to "get out more" and that to me is better than sitting on the couch or not riding because the recovery pain on old injuries is not worth the trouble...

[@АнтонАлексеенко-р1у]

@@gmatos123 not sure if it is the regular bike issue or fit issue. How does motor assist fixes back issue? And I agree that you can do a good training if you really want to, but few people will push themselves to similar degree just because they don't really have to.

[@gmatos123]

I’ve heard the fit issues story many times and I’ve done everything suggested by friends and bike store over the years to help me get there. It comes down to this, I have 5 different bikes in the search for something that would allow me to climb without furthering my injuries. Some worked a little better than others but it all ended the same way with me not enjoying most rides because of back pain after some climbing time. The strain on the lower back while climbing and exertion of extra force is something you would not comprehend unless you had lower back issues but the truth and fact is that e-bikes are better than analog bikes at 1 thing bar none and that is climbing. Everything else is debatable since analog bikes can be as fast or faster when descending or going over certain flow sections. Hope you understand but for in my case and maybe others out there. The e-bike allows me to climbs without straining and causing pain which in turns allows me to enjoy the flow and DH sections. It’s really not that different to using a shuttle or lift to trails and then enjoying the rest of it. You can do this on any trail because the lift is your pedal assist and still get a workout by pushing the bike on the rest of the trail sections. It works this way for many people but I’m not trying to convince anybody, just stating the not so obvious.

[@АнтонАлексеенко-р1у]

@@gmatos123 Fair play for the injured people, no doubt. And if we are talking uplifts it will save you money in the long run. Doesn't take to many runs to offset the bump in bike price. If you spend 25$ 50 times on the uplifts you are pretty much there, a couple of seasons of avoiding uplifts and you are already "saving" money for the next bike.

[@adnanmajeed6916]

And they cost as much as a car :)

[@martinschwartz7342]

E-bikes have advanced a lot during the last 6 years that you have been riding e-bikes. Imagine what the e-bikes will be like 6 years from now.

[@jimbo4203]

I'm 61 and I love my ebike 😊

[@Lukearthwalker]

I'm 63 and love my human powered bike.

[@robocalifornia]

E-bikes are ok I guess but to quote Jay Leno, I like other things… like steak and women 😉 I came up with another piece of hate for ebikers but it’s a bit spicy for the KZbin comment section; something about using a motorized device on your girlfriend too. It’ll get her there faster than you would otherwise 😂 🤷🏻‍♂️ For the comment police I’m just having fun so don’t get your panties in a bunch 👍🏻

[@TomCardy]

😂😂😂

[@andrewah15]

Nice one! 🤣🤣🤣

[@moeschlabach5559]

She doesn’t mind getting to the top of the mountain quicker and more often. Neither do I on my eMTBs. I actually can’t tell if you’re trying to hate on or promote eMTBs.

[@darohdarohdaroh]

It's so funny how everyone feels the need to justify ebike use: "it is good for older people", "I'm glad purple-heart veterans have a way to ride". I agree, all great, but no one needs special permission to ride an ebike. If you think it is more fun (which is what we're all into mountain biking for, I believe?) than more POWER to you!

[@LOVE-62]

One day I’ll get one. Just need to win the lotto or something 😆

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

You can take advantage of depreciation as a second hand buyer you're getting a way better deal than the initial owner. Don't ask how I know 😅😒

[@argi0774]

How is this cheating?

[@manosadj]

in the end of the day we dont have money for an e bike

[@moeschlabach5559]

These 10 things are all I’ve EVER heard about eMTBs. And they’re true. Not sure about the video title here.

[@terrencemario5693]

How much did u pay? If I spend 4000$ or more it better do the things you say. If I spent 1000$ then what? I've seen them 100000$ or more so I think the craftsmanship will let you do that

[@statom985]

lol, take every gram of bike and now add extra 20kg, and its great oh dear

[@ksnax]

Nobody? I tell everybody who will listen.

[@BigJim_909]

Cheating cheating CHEEEEEEATINNNNG!

[@AnotherMrLizard]

Yawn yawn yaawwwnn.. they are expensive, mega unreliable, heavy and a pain to work on, but when they are on form they are so much fun. You sound like you need some fun in your life.

[@0191DURHAM]

Couldn’t agree more. My e-bike allows me to learn more as I can get runs in. It’s allows me to spend more time outdoors seeing lovely paces. I can ride out with my younger fitter friends without holding them back now. In fact I have a tow rope and often help them up big hills.

[@TomCardy]

Hell yea! 🤟

[@ksnax]

My riding buddy has been trying to get me into a 30 mile 3500' climb / 7000' descent ride for a couple of years now. I just don't ride enough to handle that on a standard bike without being near death. My newest (2020) e-bike I just purchased made that an easy thing to say yes to this month. Still riding and trying to train on the standard bike, but not struggling to keep up will make the planned ride a lot more fun.

[@xcx8646]

'My e-bike allows me to learn more as I can get runs in.' Runs of what? You'd get more uplifts in than you would rides up, both in terms of time and the battery lasting. It makes a couple of laps at a trail centre easier - even necessary - but fit riders normally do a couple of laps anyway.

[@BigJim_909]

Cheating cheating CHEEEEEEATINNNNG!

[@sdavies840]

Fun fun fuuuuun

[@davecardy3984]

At the end off the day it’s all about having fun and these bikes allow you to have fun on a different level 👍😀

[@lonelymtbrider3369]

I like ebikes, but I would never ever own one, at least not until things get 100% standardized. Batteries, motors, controllers etc. If I can't work on my bike myself, I will not want to own it. Simple as that.

[@ceme]

Yea that is a big problem with them in all honesty, they are expensive and what happens when a part fails a few years down the line when they have changed the design and you can't get the part you need? Up the creek....

[@lasticonoclast]

Hmmm. You list all of the positives but none of the negatives. How about the cost of a replacement battery? I've heard they can be anywhere from ~$700 to well beyond $1k, that is if it's even available after several years and the model has been discontinued.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

Just hired a legal one in Greece, very impressed, got this old codger to amazing views without melting in the heat.

[@soarstar]

I have had a couple of E-bikes (for commuting) and they certainly have their place. That said, with age I've been leaning towards the simplest of mountain bikes: rigid SS. Weighs ~18lbs; classified as "cheating" on a ride yesterday along with the E-biker in the group. The rigid bike was a handful when things got really chunky / rooty. The E-bike, more than a handful when having to lift over downed trees. In the end, there is no perfect solution😉. #2 is debatable. If you have the human motor, you can knock out 200+ miles a day. Being able to shoulder a super light bicycle enables even more challenging terrain / greater exploration (chest high water, climbs approaching cliff steepness).

[@jiw71]

now that's a stretch.................particularly your #2............ which is entirely invalid for 99.9% of the riding population........as well as the rider in the video. But I get the point.

[@MichalM2012]

I drag my e-bikes to 6th floor because they don’t fit in the elevator :-) good workout even in a walk mode.

[@xcx8646]

Hmm. I recently hired one for a day. Not impressed. 1. At 25kg and up they are bloody heavy and the motor WILL be doing the majority of the work, especially on uphills. I didn't feel I had much of a cardio or legs workout. 2. They are bloody heavy downhill, too. Body English seems to go out of the window, as they are too heavy to lift over things. You end up just picking a line and letting the bike do the work. If you are overweight and under-skilled they must be amazing. A relatively skilled and somewhat fit rider might enjoy the novelty but bore of the experience quite quickly. TL;DR I thought I'd end up wanting one, but didn't.

[@holgerloesch2092]

Heartrate going up and down kinda is the point, don't you think?

[@davygraham1088]

Not really no, to build a good base fitness zone 2 is what you want to be in, next to impossible to stay down in zone 2 on a normal MTB ride, that's why alot of people use a turbo trainer. Ebike solves this problem as you can just bump up assistance, stay in zone 2, yet still get to actually ride down some trails.

[@Vibemaker68]

I guess your sponsor Haibike asked and payed you to make this video?

[@davidsky7924]

Mix athsma with COPD and thow in multiple traumatic injuries including collapse of thoracic vertibrea and you got an idea of a hopeless case. Blood oxygen was around 84 % ..Three ebikes later at 62 got 99% oxygen yesterday. Life saver !! Oh yes and I am 62 . Thank you so much for this next level presentation , best of luck in competitions.

[@carterschichtel9678]

I love them because you can stay stoked the whole time. If I have a sick run and have to walk all the way back up I get over it quick

[@SDK2006b]

I have just bought 2x ebikes : Trek Rails - one for me and the other for my son. We absolutely love them - they are better in all respects of riding. The downside is the weight when moving the bikes around - e.g. loading them into the car is often an annoying struggle

[@kevinmortimer1883]

agree with all the points Tom. in a year, my nduro 7 has got through 3 chains, 2 cassettes, 4 tyres, 4 brake pads sets. they are not cheap to maintain but so much more than the sum of their parts overall.. just waiting fir the inevitable motor problems 😂

[@junka1975]

Great points Tom. Even though I am analog I have seen how much of an advantage e bikes have. Especially for people who have old injuries and the e bike just takes some of the pressure off so they can still ride.

[@ImMikoFreako]

Do u know what puts me off ebikes? Videos like that.

[@TomCardy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@PaulCoull]

@@TomCardy😂😂 you always get one.

[@RobertDybowicz]

I ride HAIBIKEs Ebike and i love them... because i have really busy life... i can just ride more thru 2 hours every other day.. for me its lifechanger. //EDIT Haibike have really really lovely ebikes from my personal experience :)