Things We Should Ban In MTB!

We love mountain bikes, mountain biking, and bike life in general! But there are a few things some of us think we should ban in MTB to make it a better place. In this video, Blake Samson is joined by Owen AKA one of our in-house mechanics and ex-World Cup race mechanics to voice the things they think MTB needs to ban!
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00:00 - Intro
00:33 - Braking Bumps
01:19 - Badly Build North Shore Features
02:44 - Long Straights Into 90° Turns
03:27 - New Bikes Every Year
04:42 - Press Fit Bottom Brackets
05:03 - Cross Country Riders Doing Whips
05:49 - Skin Suits In Racing
06:52 - Moaning / Complaining
08:20 - Drop-Bar Off-Road Bikes
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[@gmbn]

Is there anything you think should be banned inMTB? Was it something on Blake and Owen's list? 🤔 Let us know 👇

[@melodious9265]

e bikes

[@myrants5836]

The following should be banned. Upside down bars Upside down stems Carbon fibre Mullet Bikes Linkage forks Lefty forks Downcountry E-Bikes Electric gears Electric suspension

[@Epiphonech]

Ban casino ads in GMBNs vids

[@MTMXBL]

saddle clamps facing the wrong way.. BANNED!

[@sadiejones7991]

Low quality carbon fiber ( plastic bikes )

[@makeitwithmurm]

Selling the same frame in many colours but locking colour to spec level...

[@Ollie24643]

Nukeproof Scout

[@CraneRyan88]

Music blasted from speakers on your bike or person. Banned.

[@carloswilliamsfilm]

Amen

[@MrAdz91]

There's always one who decides to do this with their awful music taste

[@SubversionGarage]

Death penalty offense

[@mad3arber]

Na you need shan beats blasting!

[@wtr_themellon568]

Lemme tell you right now that playing music on my speaker has helped me avoid collisions with wildlife and hikers so many times. So shut

[@ashpunting]

I agree. Ban moaning, it makes everybody else feel uncomfortable, and Ban hating on bike if someone is happy riding their bike. Be happy for them.❤💙

[@SubversionGarage]

My hard tail is still a tricked out REI house brand, and I love how it gives some people the idea that I am some sort of noob. Meanwhile they are a $12k E bike getting left in my dust 😂

[@ashpunting]

@@SubversionGarage 😁😆 I love that you leave them in your tail wind 😁👍🏼

[@MrMuz99]

I ride a hardtail I paid £500 new for and leave most people behind no matter the bike. When I see bikes that are Clearly faster, lighter and more aerodynamic than mine and I still whizz past them with pure cadence. 😁

[@kevinburke1325]

​@@SubversionGarageI can tell you are a liar because no regular bike can out ride an e bike. Hardtail bot detected.

[@kevinburke1325]

​@@ashpunting

[@setransou]

100% ban upper bearing cable housing hose routing. To have to disconnect everything to swap an upper bearing turning a 5 minute job into a 1-2 hours is ridiculous. And to Scott bicycles, stop putting dual remote lockouts on every bike in your lineup. Keep it to cross country race bikes. Oh and STOP using proprietary cables/housing for you lockouts.

[@joesnyder6569]

I love the fact that in the MTB community we are so focused on riding and having a good time that we can’t come up with things that give clear competitive advantage to ban. This thread would be so vile on the roadie site. Just one of the great things that make us a such an awesome community. You do your thing, I’ll do mine. See you at the trailhead.

[@KP-ol3tc]

I agree with Owen for a few reasons. Maybe if "new" bikes weren't rolled out every year then we wouldn't find ourselves struggling to push 3 y/o bikes out the door that are nearly identical to the newer model. It's a prime example of how the industry hurts the success of local shops.

[@steveptasznik6147]

Yes, same for cars. Instead of 2024, just wait until 2028. Every four years like the Olympics.

[@alexanderscott2567]

No new bike models until every bike shop owner has at least one pre-owned Russian yatch.

[@ShortGuac]

If they still want some money maybe just release frames in different colours in later years?

[@jokermtb]

Ban helmets so poorly designed that their owners wear them backwards and don’t know it (you’ve ALL Seen em)

[@steveptasznik6147]

I think that's on the owners being badly designed.

[@Yoda-em5mt]

No shortage of dumb people ban compulsory helmets if you so dumb not to wear one when mtb ing then good ridance .

[@bradlee2588]

It's a poor plumber who blames his tools

[@warwickingle9936]

Nah, need someone to look a bigger goose than yourself...

[@fra93ilgrande]

I’m a bicycle mechanic myself, what I have to say is BAN internal cable routing (specially in the headset) and press fit BB NOW 💀 😂

[@kyleslater5245]

I’d ban all internal cable routing.. I don’t like it and yeah I’d ban pressfit

[@richardhaselwood9478]

FFS, press-fit is fine to excellent when done properly, which is most of the time. People go on as if threaded bb's don't have problems. They do.

[@h82fail]

Shop vacuum + string. Wasn't sure building my first bike after reading complaints but I love internal routing.

[@mangoshake]

​​@@richardhaselwood9478the advantage of threaded BB isn't even that it doesn't have problems. Everyone admits that. The advantage is that a home mechanic can install and remove a threaded BB with just a BB wrench. No need for a giant bearing press that will take up room in the tool kit/room/shed and the installation isn't as technique-sensitive as press-fit. Both BB types bave their strengths and weaknesses. Threaded BB's are that much easier to service or replace.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

@@mangoshake You're broadly correct, but but there are waaaaaaaaay too many people that do say that threaded BB's are some pinnacle of mechanical perfection, but, that's a different topic.... My issue is that, PF is simple, not that complex at all to service for home mechanics (with the right tools, which don't take up that much space). And more importantly, are a better option mechanically for carbon frames, as bonding an aluminium sleeve into carbon is a bad idea.

[@benleach295]

"Ban these things we hate! ... but don't be hater who who hates things and tries to ban them" 😂 I always appreciate the entertaining content guys, keep up the good work!

[@edmundhodgson2572]

Energy gel wrappers, groups of people stopping across trails, the daily express. All banned

[@johngreason9964]

The following BANNED immediately: - Hating - Gate keeping - self-righteousness

[@buforc2020]

Already said, but internal routing, and even more specific, internal routing through the headset. It causes more problems than it fixes. But internal routing in general just sucks to work with.

[@benosborne7890]

I'd ban me... I'm a hazard 😅

[@ShadLife]

Funny, long straights with tight turns at the end are why braking bumps exist. Braking bumps are usually caused by poor trail design. They are also caused by riders not knowing how to properly use the front brake to slow down quickly and instead do heavy rear braking and skidding. And I 100% agree on press fit bottom brackets! They definitely need to go away! I refuse to buy a frame or bike with one.

[@Locklannnn]

3:27 theres some brands that are moving on from yearly models (Mondraker) which 100% agree is for the best because its bad for the end customers, bad for the manufacturers and bad for retailers

[@ChampionGaming]

Its marketing, if a competitor comes out with a fresh bike and steals the spotlight then you have to come out with something to get attention, thats why there are always yearly releases. I hate it too, but this is why ,i think.

[@rustychain9518]

I think a well executed jump with no whip looks way cooler than doing a whip on jump after jump after jump.

[@kenitsanoutragecandia3939]

Only whip to scrub some speed or lock eyes with some hottie that is spectating. A look back also shows some dominance, but what ever happend to just riding. No style is a style too. So much pressure to fluff it up nowdays.

[@TB53392]

I agree, whips usually look tacky

[@bradlee2588]

As a non-flyer, I was told whips help control the landing. Not true?

[@lacucaracha111111]

PRORIETARY BATTERIES They are a wear item --> electronic shifting and EMTB batteries as a whole. If it wore out ? Tough luck finding replacements

[@paullinnitt5450]

Can’t ban drop bars and front suspension, John Tomac was doing it at the beginning!

[@nicksonsbikeski440]

the GOAT of all GOATs

[@trickyrickymtb5622]

OMG! I totally agree with the HS routing thing... Hate it! If I got a new bike with this, I'd instantly convert it.

[@harraldsmit2390]

I don´t and am currently waiting for my new Propain with their internal cable routing. Looks way cleaner and I can´t remember when I had to fiddle around with the cables for the last time.

[@mrmcdermo]

I have a Scott Spark. The only bad thing about it is the headset cable routing and that one aspect is totally awful

[@james-hb5tu]

@@harraldsmit2390agree, I love the look. I wish they had brake hoses running through the handlebars like road bikes

[@Macwood94]

My fear with drop bars on mountain bikes is where the brakes are positioned. Please correct me if I’m wrong and I should say I come from a road/mountain biking background but wouldn’t it be dangerous to have the brakes farther away and not always at your fingertips?

[@tmb1065]

Off-road drop bars are meant to be set up to be ridden in the drop position as a default--in the same position as your levers on a flat bar. This usually requires a higher stack and shorter stem.

[@frankiebob1191]

I’ve seen some really good gravel bike riders go down some really gnarly trails. Skillz… Also, don’t forget long before full suspension bikes and suspension forks, they were all rigid at one point! And they’d still ride some crazy ass trails.

[@makeitwithmurm]

More Owen on gmbn, new gmbntech presenter?

[@kyleslater5245]

No banning north shore style bridging… I like them… I’m gonna go build some pallet north shore style stuff for sure now…

[@brian6speed]

ban 2-way single tracks. so annoying having to get out of the way of ppl who hog the trails.

[@kraken9883]

Great video guys!! I agree with all specially the moaning. By the way what is the light blue helmet Blake is wearing during the moaning clips? I like that color very much.

[@jarek3573]

You forgot about excluding 26'. If I'm correct Redbull Rampage riders are still angry about that, as well as a group of slope duro riders out there in the society

[@filmtabletta]

Trail moaning is important! As screaming too! These give information for the trail, and MTB gods, how much we enjoy the trip! :D

[@alexmason7103]

Bike parks who put downhill braking zones into corners! I’m looking at you mid Vink Line (Chatel), among others

[@Likelybiking]

Owen should be the new tech presenter!

[@Bear0280]

Love your work Boyz keep em Coming and a MASSIVE yes to no hating. Just SHRED the trails and be Cool, Calm and Collected ✌🏼Out & Thanks Blake and Owen

[@gmbn]

Thanks! Will do! 🤘🤘

[@16andbraindead]

who are the riders at the north shore part? 1:32 and what bikes are they using?

[@jamesalexander7540]

My Urban Assault Vehicle is a 1987 Raleigh Touring bike with BridgeStone Mustache Bar and Continental Top Touring in 47 - 622.

[@nobody_noob2694]

for braking pumps you should make poeple take a course on how to brake with both their wheels before they can acess the bikepark instead of only braking with their rear wheel

[@gmbn]

The trail builders would definitely support this! 👌

[@sihilius]

4:43 YES, exactly!!! Found a bike in a river bed 2 years ago. Took it home to see if I could fix it, only to find a broken, press fitted ball bearing holding the pedals. Otherwise it was well rusty but not beyond repair. I could have saved it if it wasn't for that f'in press fit! A painful experience!

[@bigdarbs19]

eBikers adding rides to Strava

[@user-rz6tq2nn5g]

When can we expect a full squish gravel bike. I can't wait. Bike park here I come. Right now I am converting my wife's beach cruiser for the upcoming cyclocross classic, just can't seem to get the geometry right with the triple crown fork.

[@TheSamwhyte]

The tail whips will be mandatory for media. They provide snappers and TV with more dynamic shots and more likely to be used in any coverage - hence sponsors get more PR.

[@307.William]

#gmbn Slick wood features need to be banned. Put some chicken wire on it or other girppies.

[@EarlLewis]

What about Timber bells? The kind that ring whenever you hit a little something uneven. Some people seem to think they're super annoying. Personally, it makes me feel like I'm riding in the Alps. :)

[@dusted25]

They're a good idea for areas with bears, as well as shared trails where you might encounter horses etc

[@Waremonger]

I use a Timber Bell but I only turn it on when I see a hiker ahead on the trail. The hikers like it and almost always thank me for warning them that I was approaching. If someone rode with it on non-stop then that would definitely be annoying. I find the bell annoying myself and can't wait to turn it off after I pass the hikers lol.

[@rusty2222]

Banning trail moaning is going to cause serious problems for Deaks. It's well slick eh? Oi Oi

[@Magoo71]

Thanks Boys! Another great discussion!

[@ronnie0films]

i agree ban certain wooden features but in florida the trails are flat so some sketchy wooden features are needed to keep it interesting

[@benitezjosem30]

👃 Amen FL in the house

[@Kim_Miller]

Who knew Richard Ayoade knew so much about bikes.

[@andrewince8824]

Ban all internal routing except for the last few centimetres of droppers. It's a pain in the arse.

[@marnycollett387]

I’m Australian & I watch mainly American KZbin content, this content has been well worth watching compared to your usual stuff.

[@sjaan7370]

We use cedar here in BC. Most other woods are 💀 in the wet.

[@MrDominicharrison]

Definitely ban press fit BBs So many carbon frames getting ruined by them including my TT bike!

[@-IE_it_yourself]

drop burs wet MTB behind by ten years. we almost started off with MX inspired geometry, but then they went the way of road bikes in the woods. only to finally in the last 5 or 10 years start to make geo a lot slacker. that fox gravel fork is sooo cute, it is like the marocchi xc forks in '96.

[@JAYMEE41528]

for me i wouldn't ban the gravel bike with suspension cause why right i'm a rider myself and i would love to try a rb/gravel bike with that kind of suspension

[@sihilius]

Ban gravel bikes. A view rides ago a gravel biker told me to turn around cause the forest path I was riding on would end in a 100 meters. Actually there was just a puddle of water going up to the middle of the upper thigh. Not much of a problem for my BMX-MTB-crossbreed. So don't ban gravel bikes obviously, but ban telling others what to do based on your bike experience and capabilities of your bike.

[@underbikedoverconfident1142]

I had a "have a go hero" on a drop bar bike ahead of me on an MTB trail this weekend. He just pulled over to let me pass and I said thanks.

[@fredman1085]

It's not braking bumps you have to ban but riders who lock up their rear brakes which dig out these braking bumps. One rider doing this won't ruin a trail but hundreds will

[@OVER-bENGINEERED]

Does roosting cause brake bumps?

[@ClarityGrowth]

North Shore features....main good point is to use rough cut cedar ...at the very least some sort of rough cut wood and not milled ...and definitely not pressure treated treads

[@Cous1nJack]

…With inset grip tape or composite friction stripes

[@cedarbremner8750]

I think moaning has a sligtly different connotation in the UK...

[@Jeffreykip]

Ebikes passing me on grueling climbs with a cheerful smile, or saying “well you do have to pedal.” I have to press a pedal to make my car go, too, but that doesn’t make it a bike.

[@dooleh84]

Unban skin suits, but only for the ladies!

[@JustJake77]

Incel vibes.... gross.

[@warwickingle9936]

Special tool requirements making it both expensive and annoying if you have to order a tool to finish a job....

[@paulbernard2397]

Blake done a funny- XC steeze! 😂 Oh my gosh, next you will be talking about trials steeze 😂

[@chrisperrywv]

This was a dumb video- and I’m here for it. You guys are great!

[@lentigiacomo8054]

have you ever tried brake bumps in Pila bikepark

[@Frostbiker]

Regarding minor changes to bicycles from one year to the next, I have to say as an engineer that revolutionary change often arises from evolutionary change, and nobody is forcing you to buy every little step in the way. It can take a lot of tweaking on an existing idea until everything clicks and a more revolutionary approach comes out of it.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I don't race to get new things, I patiently wait for the price to go down 😂

[@KerryFairbanks]

Yes I have always found the progression (or regression) of tech in sports to be very interesting. There seems to be common trends of creeping to extremely intricate components to then a regression of simplicity and lightweight and then back to new tech over 10 years then back to simplicity

[@Jamesfrancosdog]

LMAO, thats my comment 😂 And I stand by it. The trail police account is a joke, and I love to troll the trolls 🤪

[@davetscantech]

How do you ban breaking bumps when they are caused by braking?

[@JohnnyChonko]

Ban breaking.

[@jimwing.2178]

Proper technique. Not trying to go as fast as possible in every moment of a ride.

[@davetscantech]

@@jimwing.2178 that’s what the ride is about, you can’t ban an effect of suspension under breaking.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@davetscantech If your suspension is breaking, then you have a big problem. As far as braking bumps, they are caused by underskilled riders who brake with lousy technique and are riding beyond their skill level. Learn proper braking. It's more fun for you and less damaging to the trails.

[@davetscantech]

@@jimwing.2178 so you think badly setup suspension causes breaking bumps, I guess all the top pros in other disciplines have bad suspension, moto off road truck etc. it happens at every level and with motor sports they also get acceleration bumps. it’s a combination of suspension and the tires bouncing, if the trails were completely smooth it would still happen. I guess the trails could be paved because smooth trails are so fun. Regardless, you can’t ban breaking bumps, you have to ban the riders technique.

[@hambo76]

Presta valves Headset cable routing 175mm crank arms SRAM SX

[@lespieces]

I'd ban : -any new wheel size. -any seat post size that is not 27.2mm, 30.9mm and 31.6mm -any new derailleur hanger that is not already cheap and readily available. -any new standard on any bike part.

[@BreakawayB]

🕺You can’t ban “TP’s” tail whip, it’s an expression of uncontrollable joy!!!

[@tmg2564]

7:36 why are there 2 levers on the left side of the handlebars?

[@stanmustard7292]

One for the dropper, one for the rear shock lockout. I think.

[@tmg2564]

@@stanmustard7292 thank you

[@kaneda4102]

Presta valves!!! …also ban XC riders from dressing like roadies

[@bchearne]

Yeah, if schrader is good enough for cars and everything else, why do we need a different valve for bikes? The only thing I like about presta is the removable valve core

[@cemmy410]

​@@bchearneall schrader valves have removable valve cores so that's not even a point for Presta lol

[@bchearne]

@@cemmy410 technically yes, but way more annoying to remove

[@unnamedracer9757]

If you wanna ride a road bike on a mountain bike trail, that’s your life on the line A gravel bike would be even better Seth tried riding a BMX on a mountain bike trail, didn’t hurt anyone else

[@kennethcampbell7263]

I agree with restricting new models every year, because the only reason for it is to make bike companies more money, as the only people that would get real advantage of it are the professionals and many of them aren't actually paying for, them or at least not in the same way normal people would that have a brand-personal loyalty because they like a rider. Gravel bikes have their use, they are good more long distance trail/road cycle tours but not impossible for short rough trail, they just have much less travel on the front and they're a hard tail.

[@S1MediaHQ]

I suspect as the engineering design of bike manufacturer has become more intense, engineers with automotive background and experience have crossed over and have bought with them processes and ways of working into the industry. New MY's are common place in automotive for the same reason you mentioned- To keep the financial income stream on target. Given the life span of a bike though I find it very wasteful unless there has been major amendments to the design, past aesthetic changes. Nothing stopping them skipping MY though. As it should just be used as an identifier to version and not something to make people view the bike as obsolete or unfashionable.

[@metalwheelz]

#1 - The antiquated rear derailleur design that was unfortunately inherited from road bikes. You know what I'm talking about; that thing that dangles down in the back and gets hung up and breaks all the time.

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Changing straight bars with riser stem to flat stem and riser bars.

[@vwlover2]

What’s wrong with press fit bottom brackets?

[@jimwing.2178]

Most do not know.

[@beneadesmtb]

This new presenter is game changing.

[@paulblichmann2791]

"There should be a skin-tightness check, but apparently they've been slacking" 😂😂😂 Slacking...or tightening. One of those.

[@bikdav]

The half-ass trail features? Ban them. Internal cable routing? Not for me. Gravel bike with a suspension fork? I need to try it first.

[@orbea42]

Press fit BBs are garbage.

[@alesstysanchez1614]

26” wheels already banned or in modern terms “canceled “

[@rolandfletcher4973]

They should ban cutting trails and making them wider unless they need to as roots and around jumps is acceptable but on flat and technical trails that you don't need to leave the original track it would safe on maitainance

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Brake bumps (in the bike park) could be immensely reduced by two main measures. ABS brakes on rental bikes and (somehow) keeping people who aren't up to the task (going actual trail speed) off of trails above their pay grade.

[@Pogo69]

Squirrel catchers are great for this. The problem is people being people. Rather than realising that not being able to successfully negotiate the squirrel catcher, means that you are not ready for the trail; people push/roll/whatever over it and keep going, fucking up every step of the way.

[@JohnnyChonko]

@@Pogo69 You're going to put a squirrel catcher on a green/blue trail because people brake too hard into berms? What level trail would you suggest people try at that point? Maybe help people learn to ride if its such a big issue for you. Be the change you want to see, so they say.

[@Pogo69]

*sigh* Nice straw-man, @@JohnnyChonko. I can see nowhere that I said, nor implied, that. No solution is a panacea.

[@FACTSI1I]

Well since you don't get paid for mtbing better stay off my trails lol

[@TeKaMOTO]

ABS won't do anything to reduce braking bumps. As long as the dirt moves, it's going to form bumps.

[@kinaceman]

ban drop bars on anything :-), ban bikes costing over 5K :-)

[@macktaylor4389]

My wife moans about going uphill regularly, but usually we’re the only ones around and it makes for an enjoyable time of me giving her hell for whining 😂😂

[@AdamClarkx1]

Ban complaining about trails unless you've actually put in time helping build and maintain said trails.

[@WaRn00b85]

You wholeheartedly have my FULL support to BAN press-fit BBs... unfortunately my last two bikes had them... and I definitely won't buy a new bike again unless it's a threaded BB! BAN IT!!!!!

[@richardhaselwood9478]

I have no idea why people bitch and moan about PF. It's a better system than threaded. I'll only buy PF bikes. Buy from companies that know how to do PF. Threaded in this day and age just means that the manufacturer can't do QA properly, and so is a huge red flag.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@richardhaselwood9478 "I have no idea why people bitch and moan about PF." 99.57% of whiny MTBers: "I have no idea why I bitch and moan about PF. But I've read on Pink Bike that it sucks."

[@richardhaselwood9478]

@@jimwing.2178 Ergh... *this*.. See also, edgy roadies who couldn't undo a pedal, but *just know* the creak on their bike is the PF BB....

[@TeKaMOTO]

If you're complaining about MTB braking bumps, you need to go try motocross to actually experience braking bumps. MTB braking bumps pale in comparison!

[@dl4209]

"we've nailed it down to press fit bbs" LOLOLOL

[@thewrx2600]

ditto, on headset routed cables, just get rid of the drop bars.

[@ornleifs]

Love that Tintin T shirt.

[@joaoesdevao461]

gravelbikes BANNED

[@TheButlerNZ]

BAN PINCH CLIMBS ON A DH TRACK (at least the ones you can't just roll with pace)

[@WorkLessRideMore]

Braking bumps suck.

[@mikegirard4388]

I had regular BB for 30 years, no issues. 2 carbon bikes with press BB and both are total crap. Creaking. Oh the creaking.

[@Factsandlogicthinking]

Bad Trail conditions and bad weather are the best part of biking hit those trails at the worse, challenge your self! It will make you a better rider and makes things interesting.

[@nilspettersson6495]

Love the Tintin shirt!

[@JulioBaggins]

Electronic Shifting! You should know that battery is going to fail exactly the same time they "update" the design. Forcing you to buy a whole new system. Simplicity

[@KenGilbert-yn4qz]

Dont worry Owen, the braking bumps are still here; an observation, not a moan. Ban loose over hardpack!

[@waesh8989]

Ban the phrase “north shore.” I’m from the shore, and the phrase has been so bastardized that I overheard people calling a machine built wooden bridge a “north shore ladder bridge” on the east coast. Not all wood is north shore

[@kenitsanoutragecandia3939]

Yup, we had a "Little North Shore" but it was made out of fallen trees, scraps of limbs, debris, and garbage that was on site. No pressure treated wood and hardware was brougt to the area. Even had an abandon car trail feature. Then it got BANNED! SOBs

[@EASTCOASTNATURE]

i think banning new bike models every year is a great idea. Unless the brand has something that is noticeablely different from the prior year, they should abstain from releasing essentially the same product over an over again.

[@steveherring8494]

hi blake did you show your van when you finished it? if u did i must have missed it. i ride but i'm also a car nut. i'd like to see yours van.

[@gmbn]

We certainly did! Heres the link 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nneVhZKthquIf80

[@steveherring8494]

very nice. where is the large screen tv? i have a 99 f-150 and i'm planning on pulling a airstream bambi.