Things We Should Ban In MTB!

[@gmbn]

Is there anything you think should be banned inMTB? Was it something on Blake and Owen's list? 🤔 Let us know 👇

[@melodious9265]

e bikes

[@myrants5836]

The following should be banned. Upside down bars Upside down stems Carbon fibre Mullet Bikes Linkage forks Lefty forks Downcountry E-Bikes Electric gears Electric suspension

[@Epiphonech]

Ban casino ads in GMBNs vids

[@MTMXBL]

saddle clamps facing the wrong way.. BANNED!

[@sadiejones7991]

Low quality carbon fiber ( plastic bikes )

[@makeitwithmurm]

Selling the same frame in many colours but locking colour to spec level...

[@Ollie24643]

Nukeproof Scout

[@javiertrevino2808]

lookin at you specialized

[@Me1-s7f]

Yes stop this

[@CraneRyan88]

Music blasted from speakers on your bike or person. Banned.

[@carloswilliamsfilm]

Amen

[@MrAdz91]

There's always one who decides to do this with their awful music taste

[@SubversionGarage]

Death penalty offense

[@mad3arber]

Na you need shan beats blasting!

[@wtr_themellon568]

Lemme tell you right now that playing music on my speaker has helped me avoid collisions with wildlife and hikers so many times. So shut

[@ashpunting]

I agree. Ban moaning, it makes everybody else feel uncomfortable, and Ban hating on bike if someone is happy riding their bike. Be happy for them.❤💙

[@SubversionGarage]

My hard tail is still a tricked out REI house brand, and I love how it gives some people the idea that I am some sort of noob. Meanwhile they are a $12k E bike getting left in my dust 😂

[@ashpunting]

@@SubversionGarage 😁😆 I love that you leave them in your tail wind 😁👍🏼

[@MrMuz99]

I ride a hardtail I paid £500 new for and leave most people behind no matter the bike. When I see bikes that are Clearly faster, lighter and more aerodynamic than mine and I still whizz past them with pure cadence. 😁

[@kevinburke1325]

​@@SubversionGarageI can tell you are a liar because no regular bike can out ride an e bike. Hardtail bot detected.

[@kevinburke1325]

​@@ashpunting

[@setransou]

100% ban upper bearing cable housing hose routing. To have to disconnect everything to swap an upper bearing turning a 5 minute job into a 1-2 hours is ridiculous. And to Scott bicycles, stop putting dual remote lockouts on every bike in your lineup. Keep it to cross country race bikes. Oh and STOP using proprietary cables/housing for you lockouts.

[@KP-ol3tc]

I agree with Owen for a few reasons. Maybe if "new" bikes weren't rolled out every year then we wouldn't find ourselves struggling to push 3 y/o bikes out the door that are nearly identical to the newer model. It's a prime example of how the industry hurts the success of local shops.

[@steveptasznik6147]

Yes, same for cars. Instead of 2024, just wait until 2028. Every four years like the Olympics.

[@alexanderscott2567]

No new bike models until every bike shop owner has at least one pre-owned Russian yatch.

[@ShortGuac]

If they still want some money maybe just release frames in different colours in later years?

[@joesnyder6569]

I love the fact that in the MTB community we are so focused on riding and having a good time that we can’t come up with things that give clear competitive advantage to ban. This thread would be so vile on the roadie site. Just one of the great things that make us a such an awesome community. You do your thing, I’ll do mine. See you at the trailhead.

[@jokermtb]

Ban helmets so poorly designed that their owners wear them backwards and don’t know it (you’ve ALL Seen em)

[@steveptasznik6147]

I think that's on the owners being badly designed.

[@Yoda-em5mt]

No shortage of dumb people ban compulsory helmets if you so dumb not to wear one when mtb ing then good ridance .

[@bradlee2588]

It's a poor plumber who blames his tools

[@warwickingle9936]

Nah, need someone to look a bigger goose than yourself...

[@edmundhodgson2572]

Energy gel wrappers, groups of people stopping across trails, the daily express. All banned

[@fra93ilgrande]

I’m a bicycle mechanic myself, what I have to say is BAN internal cable routing (specially in the headset) and press fit BB NOW 💀 😂

[@kyleslater5245]

I’d ban all internal cable routing.. I don’t like it and yeah I’d ban pressfit

[@richardhaselwood9478]

FFS, press-fit is fine to excellent when done properly, which is most of the time. People go on as if threaded bb's don't have problems. They do.

[@h82fail]

Shop vacuum + string. Wasn't sure building my first bike after reading complaints but I love internal routing.

[@mangoshake]

​​@@richardhaselwood9478the advantage of threaded BB isn't even that it doesn't have problems. Everyone admits that. The advantage is that a home mechanic can install and remove a threaded BB with just a BB wrench. No need for a giant bearing press that will take up room in the tool kit/room/shed and the installation isn't as technique-sensitive as press-fit. Both BB types bave their strengths and weaknesses. Threaded BB's are that much easier to service or replace.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

@@mangoshake You're broadly correct, but but there are waaaaaaaaay too many people that do say that threaded BB's are some pinnacle of mechanical perfection, but, that's a different topic.... My issue is that, PF is simple, not that complex at all to service for home mechanics (with the right tools, which don't take up that much space). And more importantly, are a better option mechanically for carbon frames, as bonding an aluminium sleeve into carbon is a bad idea.

[@benleach295]

"Ban these things we hate! ... but don't be hater who who hates things and tries to ban them" 😂 I always appreciate the entertaining content guys, keep up the good work!

[@buforc2020]

Already said, but internal routing, and even more specific, internal routing through the headset. It causes more problems than it fixes. But internal routing in general just sucks to work with.

[@johngreason9964]

The following BANNED immediately: - Hating - Gate keeping - self-righteousness

[@warwickingle9936]

Special tool requirements making it both expensive and annoying if you have to order a tool to finish a job....

[@ShadLife]

Funny, long straights with tight turns at the end are why braking bumps exist. Braking bumps are usually caused by poor trail design. They are also caused by riders not knowing how to properly use the front brake to slow down quickly and instead do heavy rear braking and skidding. And I 100% agree on press fit bottom brackets! They definitely need to go away! I refuse to buy a frame or bike with one.

[@lacucaracha111111]

PRORIETARY BATTERIES They are a wear item --> electronic shifting and EMTB batteries as a whole. If it wore out ? Tough luck finding replacements

[@Macwood94]

My fear with drop bars on mountain bikes is where the brakes are positioned. Please correct me if I’m wrong and I should say I come from a road/mountain biking background but wouldn’t it be dangerous to have the brakes farther away and not always at your fingertips?

[@locklannnn]

3:27 theres some brands that are moving on from yearly models (Mondraker) which 100% agree is for the best because its bad for the end customers, bad for the manufacturers and bad for retailers

[@ChampyOnPC]

Its marketing, if a competitor comes out with a fresh bike and steals the spotlight then you have to come out with something to get attention, thats why there are always yearly releases. I hate it too, but this is why ,i think.

[@Jeffreykip]

Ebikes passing me on grueling climbs with a cheerful smile, or saying “well you do have to pedal.” I have to press a pedal to make my car go, too, but that doesn’t make it a bike.

[@anthonyhoward-z9g]

When can we expect a full squish gravel bike. I can't wait. Bike park here I come. Right now I am converting my wife's beach cruiser for the upcoming cyclocross classic, just can't seem to get the geometry right with the triple crown fork.

[@MTBr-of-SoCal]

LOOOOL

[@benosborne7890]

I'd ban me... I'm a hazard 😅

[@rustychain9518]

I think a well executed jump with no whip looks way cooler than doing a whip on jump after jump after jump.

[@kenitsanoutragecandia3939]

Only whip to scrub some speed or lock eyes with some hottie that is spectating. A look back also shows some dominance, but what ever happend to just riding. No style is a style too. So much pressure to fluff it up nowdays.

[@TB53392]

I agree, whips usually look tacky

[@bradlee2588]

As a non-flyer, I was told whips help control the landing. Not true?

[@tomb-rider]

Controversial one ... 29'ers. or rather the bike industry lie that they are the new best thing, They are not. They are less agile, not easier uphill, heavier & clumsy, but fractionally better at rolling over stuff & very slightly faster downhill. But not more fun at all, less fun really. So forcing everyone to buy them with no other choice should be BANNED.

[@MTBr-of-SoCal]

Ya, tried the whole 29'ers twice. Sold 'em both times.

[@brian6speed]

ban 2-way single tracks. so annoying having to get out of the way of ppl who hog the trails.

[@viperdemonz-jenkins]

ban the idiots that ride side by side on wider bits of trail and prevent passing.

[@JulioBaggins]

Electronic Shifting! You should know that battery is going to fail exactly the same time they "update" the design. Forcing you to buy a whole new system. Simplicity

[@goatsplitter]

I would ban strava. Can't go anywhere near me without the lycra folks trying to set a PR, and being ultra rude along the way.

[@hambo76]

Presta valves Headset cable routing 175mm crank arms SRAM SX

[@paullinnitt5450]

Can’t ban drop bars and front suspension, John Tomac was doing it at the beginning!

[@nicksonsbikeski440]

the GOAT of all GOATs

[@unnamedracer9757]

If you wanna ride a road bike on a mountain bike trail, that’s your life on the line A gravel bike would be even better Seth tried riding a BMX on a mountain bike trail, didn’t hurt anyone else

[@sihilius]

4:43 YES, exactly!!! Found a bike in a river bed 2 years ago. Took it home to see if I could fix it, only to find a broken, press fitted ball bearing holding the pedals. Otherwise it was well rusty but not beyond repair. I could have saved it if it wasn't for that f'in press fit! A painful experience!

[@fredman1085]

It's not braking bumps you have to ban but riders who lock up their rear brakes which dig out these braking bumps. One rider doing this won't ruin a trail but hundreds will

[@Frostbiker]

Regarding minor changes to bicycles from one year to the next, I have to say as an engineer that revolutionary change often arises from evolutionary change, and nobody is forcing you to buy every little step in the way. It can take a lot of tweaking on an existing idea until everything clicks and a more revolutionary approach comes out of it.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I don't race to get new things, I patiently wait for the price to go down 😂

[@lespieces]

I'd ban : -any new wheel size. -any seat post size that is not 27.2mm, 30.9mm and 31.6mm -any new derailleur hanger that is not already cheap and readily available. -any new standard on any bike part.

[@16andbraindead]

who are the riders at the north shore part? 1:32 and what bikes are they using?

[@kyleslater5245]

No banning north shore style bridging… I like them… I’m gonna go build some pallet north shore style stuff for sure now…

[@jarek3573]

You forgot about excluding 26'. If I'm correct Redbull Rampage riders are still angry about that, as well as a group of slope duro riders out there in the society

[@trickyrickymtb5622]

OMG! I totally agree with the HS routing thing... Hate it! If I got a new bike with this, I'd instantly convert it.

[@harraldsmit2390]

I don´t and am currently waiting for my new Propain with their internal cable routing. Looks way cleaner and I can´t remember when I had to fiddle around with the cables for the last time.

[@mrmcdermo]

I have a Scott Spark. The only bad thing about it is the headset cable routing and that one aspect is totally awful

[@james-hb5tu]

@@harraldsmit2390agree, I love the look. I wish they had brake hoses running through the handlebars like road bikes

[@alexmason7103]

Bike parks who put downhill braking zones into corners! I’m looking at you mid Vink Line (Chatel), among others

[@makeitwithmurm]

More Owen on gmbn, new gmbntech presenter?

[@frankiebob1191]

I’ve seen some really good gravel bike riders go down some really gnarly trails. Skillz… Also, don’t forget long before full suspension bikes and suspension forks, they were all rigid at one point! And they’d still ride some crazy ass trails.

[@JAYMEE_15]

for me i wouldn't ban the gravel bike with suspension cause why right i'm a rider myself and i would love to try a rb/gravel bike with that kind of suspension

[@sihilius]

Ban gravel bikes. A view rides ago a gravel biker told me to turn around cause the forest path I was riding on would end in a 100 meters. Actually there was just a puddle of water going up to the middle of the upper thigh. Not much of a problem for my BMX-MTB-crossbreed. So don't ban gravel bikes obviously, but ban telling others what to do based on your bike experience and capabilities of your bike.

[@TeKaMOTO]

If you're complaining about MTB braking bumps, you need to go try motocross to actually experience braking bumps. MTB braking bumps pale in comparison!

[@nobody_noob2694]

for braking pumps you should make poeple take a course on how to brake with both their wheels before they can acess the bikepark instead of only braking with their rear wheel

[@gmbn]

The trail builders would definitely support this! 👌

[@andrewince8824]

Ban all internal routing except for the last few centimetres of droppers. It's a pain in the arse.

[@davetscantech]

How do you ban breaking bumps when they are caused by braking?

[@JohnnyChonko]

Ban breaking.

[@jimwing.2178]

Proper technique. Not trying to go as fast as possible in every moment of a ride.

[@davetscantech]

@@jimwing.2178 that’s what the ride is about, you can’t ban an effect of suspension under breaking.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@davetscantech If your suspension is breaking, then you have a big problem. As far as braking bumps, they are caused by underskilled riders who brake with lousy technique and are riding beyond their skill level. Learn proper braking. It's more fun for you and less damaging to the trails.

[@davetscantech]

@@jimwing.2178 so you think badly setup suspension causes breaking bumps, I guess all the top pros in other disciplines have bad suspension, moto off road truck etc. it happens at every level and with motor sports they also get acceleration bumps. it’s a combination of suspension and the tires bouncing, if the trails were completely smooth it would still happen. I guess the trails could be paved because smooth trails are so fun. Regardless, you can’t ban breaking bumps, you have to ban the riders technique.

[@rusty2222]

Banning trail moaning is going to cause serious problems for Deaks. It's well slick eh? Oi Oi

[@307.William]

#gmbn Slick wood features need to be banned. Put some chicken wire on it or other girppies.

[@TheSamwhyte]

The tail whips will be mandatory for media. They provide snappers and TV with more dynamic shots and more likely to be used in any coverage - hence sponsors get more PR.

[@Likelybiking]

Owen should be the new tech presenter!

[@RManoFilms]

i agree ban certain wooden features but in florida the trails are flat so some sketchy wooden features are needed to keep it interesting

[@benitezjosem30]

👃 Amen FL in the house

[@chrissmith6650]

Ban gravel bikes. They're a bit pointless. Stick some skinny tyres on your hardtail and you got a gravel bike. Better yet, just buy a cyclo-cross bike

[@MTBr-of-SoCal]

By the same token, let's ban "downcountry" & "downduro". Just absolutely pointless and ambiguous. I loath those terms.

[@BreakawayB]

🕺You can’t ban “TP’s” tail whip, it’s an expression of uncontrollable joy!!!

[@tmg2564]

7:36 why are there 2 levers on the left side of the handlebars?

[@stanmustard7292]

One for the dropper, one for the rear shock lockout. I think.

[@tmg2564]

@@stanmustard7292 thank you

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Brake bumps (in the bike park) could be immensely reduced by two main measures. ABS brakes on rental bikes and (somehow) keeping people who aren't up to the task (going actual trail speed) off of trails above their pay grade.

[@Pogo69]

Squirrel catchers are great for this. The problem is people being people. Rather than realising that not being able to successfully negotiate the squirrel catcher, means that you are not ready for the trail; people push/roll/whatever over it and keep going, fucking up every step of the way.

[@JohnnyChonko]

@@Pogo69 You're going to put a squirrel catcher on a green/blue trail because people brake too hard into berms? What level trail would you suggest people try at that point? Maybe help people learn to ride if its such a big issue for you. Be the change you want to see, so they say.

[@Pogo69]

*sigh* Nice straw-man, @@JohnnyChonko. I can see nowhere that I said, nor implied, that. No solution is a panacea.

[@FACTSI1I]

Well since you don't get paid for mtbing better stay off my trails lol

[@TeKaMOTO]

ABS won't do anything to reduce braking bumps. As long as the dirt moves, it's going to form bumps.

[@OVER-bENGINEERED]

Does roosting cause brake bumps?

[@ClarityGrowth]

North Shore features....main good point is to use rough cut cedar ...at the very least some sort of rough cut wood and not milled ...and definitely not pressure treated treads

[@Cous1nJack]

…With inset grip tape or composite friction stripes

[@marnycollett387]

I’m Australian & I watch mainly American KZbin content, this content has been well worth watching compared to your usual stuff.

[@Shoeshine71]

funny watching gravel bikes slowly evolve back into mountain bikes

[@MTBr-of-SoCal]

Yep, and the bike industry will come up with some new terms to sucker more idiots into getting yet another bike that fits a perceived super niche... "downgravel", "gravduro", "graveldh", or something.

[@EarlLewis]

What about Timber bells? The kind that ring whenever you hit a little something uneven. Some people seem to think they're super annoying. Personally, it makes me feel like I'm riding in the Alps. :)

[@dusted25]

They're a good idea for areas with bears, as well as shared trails where you might encounter horses etc

[@Waremonger]

I use a Timber Bell but I only turn it on when I see a hiker ahead on the trail. The hikers like it and almost always thank me for warning them that I was approaching. If someone rode with it on non-stop then that would definitely be annoying. I find the bell annoying myself and can't wait to turn it off after I pass the hikers lol.

[@cedarbremner8750]

I think moaning has a sligtly different connotation in the UK...

[@Craig00005]

Ban stopping on the trails 100%

[@kaneda4102]

Presta valves!!! …also ban XC riders from dressing like roadies

[@bchearne]

Yeah, if schrader is good enough for cars and everything else, why do we need a different valve for bikes? The only thing I like about presta is the removable valve core

[@cemmy410]

​@@bchearneall schrader valves have removable valve cores so that's not even a point for Presta lol

[@bchearne]

@@cemmy410 technically yes, but way more annoying to remove

[@Jamesfrancosdog]

LMAO, thats my comment 😂 And I stand by it. The trail police account is a joke, and I love to troll the trolls 🤪

[@filmtabletta]

Trail moaning is important! As screaming too! These give information for the trail, and MTB gods, how much we enjoy the trip! :D

[@AdamClarkx1]

Ban complaining about trails unless you've actually put in time helping build and maintain said trails.

[@BlackFlag94]

People smoking illegal substances EN MASSE at the trail head then proceeding to blast music from their Bluetooth speaker strapped to the down tube as they schralp turns and skid around ruining the hard work of the volunteer trail builders.

[@bigdarbs19]

eBikers adding rides to Strava

[@MrDominicharrison]

Definitely ban press fit BBs So many carbon frames getting ruined by them including my TT bike!

[@alesstysanchez1614]

26” wheels already banned or in modern terms “canceled “

[@Kim_Miller]

Who knew Richard Ayoade knew so much about bikes.

[@jamesalexander7540]

My Urban Assault Vehicle is a 1987 Raleigh Touring bike with BridgeStone Mustache Bar and Continental Top Touring in 47 - 622.

[@bikdav]

The half-ass trail features? Ban them. Internal cable routing? Not for me. Gravel bike with a suspension fork? I need to try it first.

[@babayega1717]

3:28 Spot on. We actually need to push back a lot harder on that practice. We are reaching a point where the market economy starts to look like that of the Smartphone industry, and I don't need to point out why this would be detrimental to what is a literal sport.

[@metalwheelz]

#1 - The antiquated rear derailleur design that was unfortunately inherited from road bikes. You know what I'm talking about; that thing that dangles down in the back and gets hung up and breaks all the time.

[@Unite.The.Kingdom]

Bad Trail conditions and bad weather are the best part of biking hit those trails at the worse, challenge your self! It will make you a better rider and makes things interesting.

[@plainuser48596]

Ban propriety stuff. Pretty much everything that is not part of a frame should be in some kind of open standard (think UDH). Then everything that dones't have a good reason and is part of the frame should be part of a "standard set". So frame bearings, nuts, bolts, washers and bushings. No one should have to look thought internet archives to find out what bearing, bushing or nut they need because the manufacturer is no longer providing them and when they did it cost 10x the actual value. Ban not releasing cad/technical specifications of propriety stuff that actually makes sense that are property (frame-specific inserts eg. flip chips)

[@Cous1nJack]

UDH isn’t universal, it’s intended to get us buying sram mechs

[@dexterer]

Ban new bikes every year…or at least maintain the same integrity from the previous year. How shocked was I to find that my warranty replacement didn’t come with hydraulic brakes like the previous year, wtf was that move? Ended up getting more money out of me

[@boi829]

saying to ban badly constructed structures is kind of meaningless until you identify a specific feature or property that needs to be removed, because you're saying to judge whether to ban structures based on a condition that you didn't define (that condition being that the structure is "bad") for example saying to ban pallets as a component makes sense (which they did)

[@rolandfletcher4973]

They should ban cutting trails and making them wider unless they need to as roots and around jumps is acceptable but on flat and technical trails that you don't need to leave the original track it would safe on maitainance

[@vwlover2]

What’s wrong with press fit bottom brackets?

[@jimwing.2178]

Most do not know.

[@Bear0280]

Love your work Boyz keep em Coming and a MASSIVE yes to no hating. Just SHRED the trails and be Cool, Calm and Collected ✌🏼Out & Thanks Blake and Owen

[@gmbn]

Thanks! Will do! 🤘🤘

[@kraken9883]

Great video guys!! I agree with all specially the moaning. By the way what is the light blue helmet Blake is wearing during the moaning clips? I like that color very much.

[@lentigiacomo8054]

have you ever tried brake bumps in Pila bikepark

[@WaRn00b85]

You wholeheartedly have my FULL support to BAN press-fit BBs... unfortunately my last two bikes had them... and I definitely won't buy a new bike again unless it's a threaded BB! BAN IT!!!!!

[@richardhaselwood9478]

I have no idea why people bitch and moan about PF. It's a better system than threaded. I'll only buy PF bikes. Buy from companies that know how to do PF. Threaded in this day and age just means that the manufacturer can't do QA properly, and so is a huge red flag.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@richardhaselwood9478 "I have no idea why people bitch and moan about PF." 99.57% of whiny MTBers: "I have no idea why I bitch and moan about PF. But I've read on Pink Bike that it sucks."

[@richardhaselwood9478]

@@jimwing.2178 Ergh... *this*.. See also, edgy roadies who couldn't undo a pedal, but *just know* the creak on their bike is the PF BB....

[@mikegirard4388]

I had regular BB for 30 years, no issues. 2 carbon bikes with press BB and both are total crap. Creaking. Oh the creaking.

[@Swiftfury]

2 things to add : Ban Centrelock brake adapters... no one walks around with a BB tool in their backpack when riding to tighten them down and they loosen ALL THE TIME ! Just stick with 6 bolt everyone, it would make everyone's life much easier. And, 203 brake discs, why aren't they all 200mm like SRAM? Having 20mm increments allows you to use multiple 20mm adaptors rather than having to fish for the right adaptor if you go up from 180 or go up to 220...

[@simonm1447]

I use bikes with Centerlock and I never had a case where it got loose. I use a torque wrench to mount it, not just a ratchet

[@GrmlMaster]

Also never heard of Centerlocks getting loose.

[@Swiftfury]

obv you guys have not worked in a bike shop or ridden enduro/DH hard enough cause I have seen this multiple times 😉 I was literally on an enduro ride a week ago with a buddy who realised his was loose halfway through the ride... also you must admit that the average consumer does not have a BB tool lying around...

[@simonm1447]

@@Swiftfury I do not work in a bike Shop, but I maintain my own bikes (around 10). I do not ride dh, I'm an XC rider

[@simonm1447]

@@Swiftfury coincidentally the rear 6 bolt rotor of my fat bike (I have both systems) got loose today ;-)

[@-IE_it_yourself]

drop burs wet MTB behind by ten years. we almost started off with MX inspired geometry, but then they went the way of road bikes in the woods. only to finally in the last 5 or 10 years start to make geo a lot slacker. that fox gravel fork is sooo cute, it is like the marocchi xc forks in '96.

[@kinaceman]

ban drop bars on anything :-), ban bikes costing over 5K :-)

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Since I'm not a communist or authoritarian I'm not for banning things but I strongly advise against buying a 10k bike to use it once a month. Give it to me instead.

[@underbikedoverconfident1142]

I had a "have a go hero" on a drop bar bike ahead of me on an MTB trail this weekend. He just pulled over to let me pass and I said thanks.

[@dadbod4life]

Wood structures have no place on trail! Its not a trail if its made of wood. Sorry. Maybe if its a bridge, but all wood features is not mountain biking. Dirt, roots, and rocks. Natural trail. Thats mountain biking.

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Changing straight bars with riser stem to flat stem and riser bars.

[@SubversionGarage]

Things that need to go Presta valves (rims are no longer that narrow) 170+mm crank arms (we need more 155-165mm options) Headset cable routing External BB bearings (use internal cups same as HS)

[@SubversionGarage]

@danrunnheim1062 I hate them with the fire of a thousand suns. All it takes is one large manufacturer to stop using them, and the rest will follow.

[@waesh8989]

Ban the phrase “north shore.” I’m from the shore, and the phrase has been so bastardized that I overheard people calling a machine built wooden bridge a “north shore ladder bridge” on the east coast. Not all wood is north shore

[@kenitsanoutragecandia3939]

Yup, we had a "Little North Shore" but it was made out of fallen trees, scraps of limbs, debris, and garbage that was on site. No pressure treated wood and hardware was brougt to the area. Even had an abandon car trail feature. Then it got BANNED! SOBs

[@EASTCOASTNATURE]

i think banning new bike models every year is a great idea. Unless the brand has something that is noticeablely different from the prior year, they should abstain from releasing essentially the same product over an over again.

[@jimwing.2178]

Ban skidding, shralping, and trail braiding. Ban riding around puddles and other practices that widen trails. Ban downhill travelers who don't yield the trail to uphill climbers. Ban idiots who ride in groups and stop on trails, forcing other riders to leave the trail to get around them.

[@dooleh84]

Unban skin suits, but only for the ladies!

[@JustJake77]

Incel vibes.... gross.

[@kennethcampbell7263]

I agree with restricting new models every year, because the only reason for it is to make bike companies more money, as the only people that would get real advantage of it are the professionals and many of them aren't actually paying for, them or at least not in the same way normal people would that have a brand-personal loyalty because they like a rider. Gravel bikes have their use, they are good more long distance trail/road cycle tours but not impossible for short rough trail, they just have much less travel on the front and they're a hard tail.

[@S1MediaHQ]

I suspect as the engineering design of bike manufacturer has become more intense, engineers with automotive background and experience have crossed over and have bought with them processes and ways of working into the industry. New MY's are common place in automotive for the same reason you mentioned- To keep the financial income stream on target. Given the life span of a bike though I find it very wasteful unless there has been major amendments to the design, past aesthetic changes. Nothing stopping them skipping MY though. As it should just be used as an identifier to version and not something to make people view the bike as obsolete or unfashionable.

[@ennokanScottwalker]

Why banning anything? There is no need for banning if really the great majority doesn´t agree with how it is - whatever it is. If noone buys bike year by year, then the industry will adjust the release cycle. If people are that unsecure with an older bike - sorry, all that matters are skills. Riders complaining about old bikes of other riders are suckers! And most often with a lack of skills. Have fun, have a ride with the bike you want to use. That´s all that matters. If noone wants to ride with moaning people, the moaning one has to ride on his own or stops moaning to join the others. I don´t care if my biking buddy rides with lycra or loose shirt & shorts. I don´t care about shaved legs. As long as we have a fun ride, no moaning and a beer or two afterwards, fine! If I don´t like the trail with a long fast stretch and a sudden 90 degree turn, then I don´t ride it. If a bike park offers such bad trails or weird northshore but people still ride there - there bad! The park will adjust if noone comes over to ride and spend some money! Btw. the really crazy and high northshore did disappear - because it was too crazy for most of the non pro riders. And there are still black, double black or pro lines in bike parks. Because there are really advanced riders with amazing skills. If you´re not advanced or pro these trails are dangerous, too! In my opinion you don´t need to ban anything (as long as you´re not the f***ing UCI). Just go with what you like and skip the stuff you´d bann. If most of the community does so, then it will disappear on it´s own. Otherwise it´s a problem noone else has ^^