Thinking Outside The 4 Jaw Part 2

We share the setting up on a 1968 Pontiac front brake drum using more than the 4 jaws on the chuck. Part Two, we machine out to clean prep for weld build up and then weld fill the bore to be machined for bearing press fit, finishing up the project, in the jig made on the four jaw. A look at the vehicle, this project is for. ;{)-------

[@NOBOX7]

I love how much i learn just watching 1 job , the pre heat talk was not in vein brother , i will never be rude to my work piece again

[@matthewchastain136]

LMAO I was cracking up when you free handed that indicator. “That’s checked”

[@leocurious9919]

At what time? Did I miss it? Found it, at 7:25 Nice :D

[@WAVETUBE84]

Those hubs/drums are going to look "out of this world" on that Bonneville.

[@DavidGrassSr]

I'm an old tig welder myself and you did a awesome job, very clean and smooth, you have all the right tools and your not to bad with that Lathe either..I have watched hours of you video's, keep that hippie beard away from the fire and that 4 jaw chuck.Nice job

[@tomharrell1954]

FANTASTIC REPAIR! The measurement of the hub while holding the base of the dial indicator IN hand was new technique for me. I will have to learn that. LOL LMAO

[@royfcjr]

I made thousands of screws for Schick that were used to hold the screens in place on their electric razor. We weighed them not counted them, and a weeks worth went in a fairly small box. That was a fun experience as a senior in HS.

[@normesmonde5332]

Thanks Keith, love your sense of humour.

[@odacirlimacardoso7118]

Mr. Keith Fenner, congratulations on your creativity and competence, here in Brazil, my branch is the same as yours, and sometimes we have to try to do things that seem impossible. Thank you for the wonderful videos you give us.

[@randallparker8477]

I've shared few of your best projects with an old navy buddy and at one of the times, he was watching his 8 year old grandson home sick from school. He likes to hang with us crusty old sailors... his mom on the other didn't care for his newfound vocabulary choices. oops. After watching you braze and machine and "3D Print" a new part, his grandson asked us, "Does Mr. Keith only do videos for his job?" We chuckled between us and grandpa said no, he does the videos like a hobby, he actually is a master machinist/fabricator and kinda a funny mad scientist. The boy looked at us and back at the screen and then asked," When he's working for real not making a video, does he talk to himself and explain stuff out loud if no one is there?" We laughed and then I asked him, " Doesn't everyone?" Thanks for the glimpses, Mr. Keith... They sometimes make old memories come flashing back... sometimes.

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very professional work..thanks for you art machining

[@jefftaylor7511]

If I had someone like you as my freshman shop teacher I'd have been a machinist. Cannot tell you how much I appreciate the precision and clever way you solve problems. You, Adam, Mr. Pete and Steve are all remarkable individuals.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

So ENJOYED Both parts Keith ! Thanks man..

[@edwardkawecki8101]

Great series and repair! You just don't get this kind of knowledge from a book. Thanks Keith.

[@dominicpetruzzelli3134]

Keith another incredible job well done......amazing !

[@stevemontoya8]

Keith that was amazing, job well done thanks for the education.

[@MrShobar]

Those front brake drums are huge. They needed to be. The Bonneville was a heavy ride. Best regards.

[@68sweetnovember]

Excellent !! Lots of food for thought. Thank you.

[@johnnyholland8765]

Have made tons of soft jaws for various applications to hold something but not to "locate" something. That is why I like your channel. So many tricks to the trade and you apparently know most of them!

[@z06doc86]

That Bonneville is sweet! My Dad had a similar one back in the day when I was about 14 years old. I loved doing burnouts in the driveway when my parents weren’t home. That 421 was a torque monster and could light ‘em up at will, but it sure was a huge land barge. It’s a wonder Pop didn’t beat my ass😈. Thanks for showing it. Nice to see where the end results of your craftsmanship goes. Thanks again, Doc.

[@mikegrube971]

Doing burn outs is why the holes were full of drill bits, taps, stud pieces etc. from snapping studs off and trying to remove them. Still fun! Love the channel, beats TV any day. NO PC wanted or needed. Be Safe!

[@chieft3357]

Very good workmanship on your brake drum repair. You gotta have fun too, as you did with handheld indicator, I like it.

[@royfcjr]

I never saw aluminum weld quench before, but I understand it helps the crystal structure of aluminum to stabilize as it cools at relatively the same speed all the way through. Great video. I had the Kelsey Hays wheels on my RED Grand Prix with a 421 at 17 yrs of age.

[@1693caterpillar]

Better then what Hollywood puts out these days. An entertaining Saturday night. Love the longer videos.

[@KeithFenner]

Thank you. ;{)------

[@lwilton]

You can tell it wasn't Hollywood, nothing blew up in a great slo-mo flaming gas explosion!

[@MaturePatriot]

@@lwilton - I have seen several real life car crashes, and none of them exploded! Real life is less exciting.....but REAL!!

[@MaturePatriot]

You Got That Right! I haven't seen anything on pay per view I've wanted to watch in months!!

[@Frutticattygirl]

this and the prior vid are by far the most satifying video's I've seen to date. Was mesmerized by the first one ^^

[@oldodger]

Pretty unique wheel assembly....First for me !

[@Mishn0]

It was nice to see the car the hubs went to. Thanks!

[@PaganWizard]

If those were my drums, I would have had them media blasted prior to your work so that final finishing could be done without the possibility of messing up your work. VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@johnwarkentinnikiskialaska8364]

Great job 👍 on the wheels

[@DrewToner]

I thought, what the hell is he doing? Holding the magnet base LOL!!! Nice to see you have a little fun whilst you work! Nice work, Mr Perfection! (Seriously!)

[@C99631]

Thanks for showing the car. It's always good to see how the part fits the machine. I was very confused about how the fork lift boat hoisting set-up worked until I saw a shot of the machine.

[@donaldnaymon3270]

Great work. Thank you for sharing.

[@PorkBarrel.]

Glad you showed the rims. Was wondering how they attached. Thanks Keith

[@injun-gman6216]

Sweet! Nice to see the final resting place for those hubs.

[@peterjones6945]

I was production turning bearing housing in aluminium alloy way back in late 1970's. 'We' only had a 5 micron tolerance on 35mm bearings. It sucked on piecework, 2min15sec was time but we had to do 100% to get any bonus so only really had just over a minute to mount raw casting, rough bore, finish bore and check plus any extra work to get size right. Wouldn't have been so bad with a turret lathe but single point was purgatory.

[@csimeonides]

Great job as usual. I appreciate the precision and clever way you solve problems, the way you explain what your doing. and the final end of a real professional job well done. I keep on learning. Thanks.

[@bradlarden]

Beautiful workmanship there. Thanks for sharing.

[@JMKady76]

Love these automotive repairs Keith. Nowadays in the automotive world we don't get to fix a component very often, or even see something like this fixed.

[@daveknowshow]

cant wait to get me a shirt and a hat! really enjoyed watching the set up on this project. appreciate you sharing it with us and taking on this project that most would have passed on. you love a challenge. I'm the same way if only I had your skills.

[@johnz8210]

Great videos - a wonderful mix of expertise and a little humor thrown in. It's awesome how you bring things back to original specs - you obviously know when not to modify a design. Thanks for taking the time to create these excellent videos.

[@larrysmurthwaite773]

I really enjoy these types of projects; overcome obstacles, making a repeatable setup and seeing a true master at work. Your videos are full of great insights for those of us learning. I have no idea where or how you developed such patience but wow. Maybe it’s the chuckles you do from time to time? Anyways keep up the great work!

[@gwharton68]

Thanks for the memories. I had a 62 Pontiac Grand Prix. I remember taking the those light weight drums off to do a brake job.

[@davidr4332]

beautiful job.

[@johnwarkentinnikiskialaska8364]

outstanding video

[@gregsmht40]

True Craftsman. Your work is spot on

[@bcbloc02]

Cool project, good that cast welded out nice to make a clean repair.

[@outsidescrewball]

The best part for me is when you said “humf” as you inspected the groove while machining....just found out that I sound like a pro as I make that noise TOO often, not for what I see but what I have done....LOL, enjoyed and a nice 2 hours for the switch back of Daylight savings morning

[@pete707]

Great craftsmanship Keith, thanks for taking the time to pass on your knowledge.

[@63256325N]

I can see why the owner of those hubs wanted them fixed, they're nearly impossible to find in any kind of good shape. Definitely rare birds, not to mention all the different styles of them there are. So finding the right combination just might be impossible. Man, that is one beautiful car! I'm in love! Excellent fix, as usual. Thanks for the video.

[@bigalremington]

nice job. great stuff.

[@mikenixon9164]

Very nice set up . Nice job

[@pravado81]

Nice series. Love it.

[@raincoast2396]

Enjoyed muchly, 68 "Bonny" 2dr ragtop! Rare beast.

[@matttradie1341]

Beautiful job as per usual. Standard set. No compromise.

[@ponkkaa]

Nice work sensei! I'm amazed at the size of those hubs. They look like they came off of a truck

[@ruperthartop7202]

As always wonderful work Keith

[@richardmassey5005]

nice work,your a man with no limits..

[@garyc5483]

Nice job Keith. That's a good looking car. Thanks for sharing. regards from the UK

[@MoraFermi]

That hand-held indicating job! :D Also that weld sounded like an old analog radio...

[@pearcemachineshop5200]

Just a great video Keith nothing else needs to be said. Alan.

[@larrysperling8801]

very creative setup as usual . first class welding. that had to get toasty even with with the tig finger. cant imagine doing that job without a weld positioner those tire and rim combos are fairly rare . i can see why the customer elected to go the route he did looks like a first class restoration..

[@keithofford3597]

You still da man Keith

[@shortribslongbow5312]

Beautiful car beautiful work!

[@swarfrat311]

Another great video, Keith! With Christmas not that far away, maybe Santa will bring you a new fiberglass blanket. It looks like the one you're using has about had it! Thanks for sharing!

[@barrysheridan9186]

Very imaginative once again.

[@cadewey6181]

I wonder if the aluminum hub expanded away from the steel race allowing it to spin with hard braking on hot days. At least now as a show car it will be driven more like the Pontiac engineers had planned. Great repair. I get a little less fearful of the 4-jaw with every episode. Maybe someday the Buck may come off the L0. Lets see: needle-right jaw in?

[@joannepfeiffer977]

Keith, those wheels were used on big Pontiacs starting 1962 -1968, I have a few sets of them. The had braking at high speeds when others would heat up and lose braking. Bob

[@daniel_6741]

Great job again! Nice videos with lots of good information as always.

[@RambozoClown]

Nice job. I've done a lot of spun races in aluminum bores, usually from hammer mechanics. You might also want to try 5356 rods. They work real well on castings and machine great. They will also except heat treatment if needed, but they don't match well if anodized. I've found the least destructive way to pull races is to hit then on the ID with the TIG in a few spots. They shrink right up and fall out. Same with valve seats in aluminum heads.

[@jonka1]

Good advice. I've been running weld inside bearing outer races for many years and it is the best way to remove them with out drifting or pressing them. This does make them noisy if you re use them though

[@leop9021]

Great advice guys. Why didn't i ever think of tig heating the race to get it out!

[@shovelguggelheim8454]

@@jonka1 "This does make them noisy if you re use them though" .... LOL

[@jonka1]

:)

[@kurtarmbrust]

That was some awesome work holding magic!

[@cojones8518]

7:20 Was that a Stare-at-it indicator and holder?

[@davidcurtis5762]

Hi Keith, love watching you weld all the different types of metals. I've learned a lot for which I'm great full for. For myself and in no way is this a criticism of your repair as it came out perfect, but I think I would have machined a couple of steel bushings and lock tight them in and machine to size.

[@reideichner8597]

Nice clean job on those Keith!

[@davidwatsonii9469]

I DIDNT THINK THAT ALUMINUM WOULD TAKE THAT WATER QUENCH , BEAUTIFUL BUILD THERE TOO BY THE WAY

[@KathrynLiz1]

Clever set-up.... often spend longer devising and doing a set up than doing the actual machining......

[@BillyDocWalker]

I’ve done many of these hubs and always used a steel lock tite srink fit and hav never had a failure .

[@scruffy6151]

Thank you Keith. Nicely done.

[@MegaCountach]

Great work Keith!

[@WillemvanLonden]

Entertaining, as always. Love the 'kay....

[@kevinreardon2558]

For safety's sake, I'm glad these were not two jaw-dropping episodes.

[@KeithFenner]

LOL ;{)------

[@kevinreardon2558]

By@@KeithFenner By the way, beautiful welds. I'm impressed you didn't loose the hubs paint. That stuff was resilient.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Remember my Dad owning one Bonneville, the hard top model with a 400ci. 4 barrels, when gas was cheap like under 35 cents a Imperial gallon ( 160 fluid ounces...!!! ) Nice set-up job...!!!

[@KeithFenner]

LOL I remember the day my dad threw a bitching at a gas station when the price just hit 35 cents a US Gal. ;{)------

[@kejay74]

@@KeithFenner $0.35? OMG! For my folks we had two vehicles. One was a 1960 Oldsmobile Super 88 and the other a 1968 Pontiac Bonneville 4 door. They nearly had a conniption fit when Ethyl (104 octane high test) hit $0.19 per U.S. gallon. Of course this was delivered in bulk to our 300 gallon farm tanks (without road tax) in 1970. ;

[@pierresgarage2687]

At almost 65 yo., the lowest price I remember is 26 cents Canadian per Imperial gallon, I was probably around 6 or 7 yo, Geezzzz...!!! It's seems like a while...!!!

[@SillyPutty3700]

My Grandfather was VP of PR for Standard Oil of Ohio (Sohio) just after WW2. When I was a kid I found an unmailed post card in his stuff when that they had printed just after the war to apologize and explain why they were raising the price of gasoline to 19 cents/g

[@leop9021]

I was the second owner of my parents 1967 GTO. It was tough going money wise at 9 miles/gallon and gas already at $1.15 a gallon! But what that car really needed was better brakes. Those big Catalina drums would sure of helped!

[@joeclarke9782]

Another AAAAA+ video. Thanks Keith.

[@johnfry9010]

Beautiful car !

[@dougrundell947]

I got my first drivers license in '68. My dad had a brand new mustang. Good times.

[@NebukedNezzer]

back about 1970 I had a boat trailer wheel hub where the inside (larger) bearing race fit just a bit loose (less than .020 slop) cleaned everything with alcohol and put locktite bearing mount on the parts. Fixed it and it never gave any problems. sometimes locktite bearing mount can be a way of using a hub when the race does not fit perfect.

[@Tinker001]

But that'd make for some seriously boring video...

[@teamidris]

And 20 though is about 15 more than I would fill :o) I mean, I’d fill 20, maybe more, but not on anything vital :D

[@edwardkawecki8101]

Yep, I think a lot of us have done the back alley way at times, prick punch the ID 271 loctite it and drive it home. lol.

[@rascalwind]

You big meanie. That's almost as bad as a dentist drill. Great work by the way.. :)

[@gordbaker896]

Those Kelsey-Hayes 8 Bolt hubs were arguably the most beautiful wheels ever in that era. Is the Brake Drum wear area cast iron, with surrounding Alloy? I thought you might build up the chipped off piece while it was still hot. 421 Cu. In., Super Duty Bonneville Rag top with 400 Turbohydramatic. Head for the Drive-In and pass me a beer! I will send you a photo of a complete wheel. Some have used formed tabs to attach larger Dia (from 14") wheels and tires to those hubs. A lot of work but the one I saw had the Pontiac V laser cut into each tab and was perfect. 0.005 runout X & Y axis. Very commendable work.

[@lwilton]

Nice job, and a really pretty car. It looks like a practically new engine from the look of those manifolds. Gee, for what it must have cost to get those drums turned (even with the discount) I'm a little surprised they didn't have you weld in a piece of 6061 where the back of that drum was cracked out. :-)

[@buildmotion1426]

Clean welds. I’ll have to buy some of that rod. Nice videos!👍🏼

[@bostedtap8399]

Nice full metal repair/invisible mending.

[@chilledoutpaul]

your making me want to buy a lathe now and i have already on my second metal shed as I outgrew the first one! lol 😕

[@TomokosEnterprize]

Perfect my friend.

[@williamsquires3070]

Hi Keith! Two items here. One, you need another sign for the shop that reads, “NOTICE: The pretty girls you see may not be real mermaids!” 🤠 Two, while pre-heating that item, could you mount the torch onto something like a microphone stand, and position it near enough to heat the part, and far enough away to not overheat it? Then just hold down the foot switch and make it do the spinny-spin thing, and it should evenly pre-heat the part, leaving your hands free for other things (like playing around with the camera, or answering the phone, or watching the temp with the IR thermometer) and so your arms don’t get tired waving that torch around. Just sayin! 😁 Anyway, thanks for another interesting machining/repair video! 👍

[@RambozoClown]

I often use a heat gun propped up just as you described to get it mostly up to temp. Saves on gas, and very even gentle heat.

[@MichaelJohnson-jt5cu]

Two Thumbs Up!

[@WeTrudgeOn]

I wish I had a time machine now, I had to tig and bore and re-tap several 3/4-16 Oring boss holes in a hydraulic manifold that had been stripped by a 300 lb gorilla. I didn't know about the quench and my threads turned out kinda ragged looking, plenty strong enough but just more ugly than I would have liked them to be. Now I can't wait to try the quench on the next project that comes along.

[@KeithFenner]

I was doing that because I knew how it makes for better machining, with 4643 build up, make sure your rods and base metals can handle the same. ;{)-----

[@WeTrudgeOn]

@@KeithFenner Oh yeah it was obvious right away when I started tapping it was gonna be ugly. Lucky for me he sent the oring to fitting for me to install so I'm the only one that'll see those bumpy threads.

[@chilledoutpaul]

very nice job keith.

[@jmh8743]

glad pressure washer quit. Dad had '61, hardtop 4 door. Brought back memories.

[@thomaslemay8817]

The grove was probably made by a improperly installed split pin or Carter pin.

[@mike94560]

Helium is expensive. I use 50/50 mix with Argon on Aluminum. Reduces how much current I need to make the weld.

[@alberteinstein9045]

Aluminum castings have so much crap in them, great job welding them up.

[@newlifeforvintagewatches2732]

Thanks. Master Keith. Like.

[@teamidris]

Ally really doesn’t mind being built up. I’ve built up steel with weld and it never feels quite right, but Aluminium laps it up :o) (even cylinder heads)

[@eak125]

Only 8 grinders? Those are rookie numbers. You have to get those numbers up! LOL