Wi-Fi 7 is Already Coming: The BIGGEST Upgrades

[@ThioJoe]

Corrections: @ 3:53 Typo - 5 GHz should say "Lower Range, Better Speed"

[@genelorenzsarmiento]

First (?) Nobody asked

[@TechnologyEverythingJohn]

Well I do and I'm second! Very few comments on such a big channel. But at least no spam Congrats, ThioJoe, on your anti-spam app!

[@AnudeepDONDONDONRlol]

Nah lower speed=better speed

[@hypernylium9782]

@@TechnologyEverythingJohn there are no spam because he probably put the thing to scan and delete 24/7. its a thing that he can do i think. or spamers are just scared of the app. lmao

[@bernardonegri5416]

"lower speed, better speed"

[@UnknownUnknown-tu3be]

I always laugh because you went from a troll to great informative content. I like your second path better.

[@niggardlyrajigga4992]

haven't watched since he started being useful. thumbs down

[@HearMeLearn]

@@niggardlyrajigga4992 lame, his videos are pretty good now

[@eZwa306]

A nice transformation from being a jokster to being a informative tech source. That, and to be talked about in a positive manner amongst the broader tech community, is nothing short of a great accomplishment. 👍👍

[@h10hunter]

literally watching Thiojoe unironically rn

[@CT-vm4gf]

Years later and people are still mentioning it in the comments.

[@a.yashwanth]

3:53 for 5GHZ it should be lower range instead of lower speed.

[@wsv8818]

You mad lad bested me by 2 minutes.

[@ThioJoe]

oops

[@eleventy-seven]

Also range will be pathetic.

[@isaacoconnell8295]

Damn that's an interesting sponsor ngl. Also came across your channel a few weeks ago and I'm loving it👍, love the break down of complex topics and general tech news

[@craign8ca]

This reminds me of cellular technology. Some of the things you've described were first used, to my knowledge, in an earlier digital technology, CDMA. Pretty amazing stuff.

[@johnwang9914]

WiFi has always been spread spectrum and the change from TDMA (time division multiple access) to CDMA (code division multiple access) occurred before the 802.11b standard was established, when the now called WiFi 1 of 1-2 Mbps to the now called WiFi 2 of 11 Mbps which was what was first became known as WiFi. What we see now are changes in the spectrum channel allocation and collision avoidance so that broader spectrums can be used while reducing the spectrum when needed to avoid collisions with now the concept being collaborative use of the spectrums with WiFi 7. Note that what we now use with our smart phones is GSM which is descended from TDMA not CDMA. CDMA suffered from the Qualcomm delays in producing their chips and people got used to the convenience of Europe's use of SIM chips with their version of TDMA called GSM. Yes technically CDMA would be better but mobile phones is a case where the better mouse trap did not take the market.

[@Anshuman001]

Thank you for making such great , education video for us.

[@animotion6466]

Whaat?....wifi 7...ohh the future

[@mattm7220]

0:25 - thank you so much for this diagram... It's the handiest quick reference for when reviewers use the stupid "WiFi [number]" naming scheme instead of just calling it which version of 802.11 it actually is. I just can never remember which numbers relate to which standard, so it's nice to have such a well-labeled guide

[@ShadowriverUB]

the numbers is easier to understand for tech newbies, and 802.11 includes standards unrealted to WiFi, you dont know if between ac and be theres other wifi standard like ax, that why they introduce those brandings

[@Lampe2020]

7:53 I don't think that was a ghost. It rather was → either an app, → or a screensaver, → or a graphical bug → or even you yourself between two shots.

[@miguelguthridge]

Damn that sponsor sounds really interesting - I've been really interested in learning more about accessibility standards, and it's really cool to hear about that tech they've made, which honestly looks awesome!

[@SWC44]

@Miguel Guthridge, FOR 50 A MONTH, IT WILL MAKE ME DISSABLED!!!!!!!!!!! WTF??????????

[@miguelguthridge]

@@SWC44 no it won't. If you don't care about accessibility that's ok but please stay out of the way of everyone who wants to make the world a better place.

[@SWC44]

@@miguelguthridge AT A CRAZY PRICE, AND YES I AM DISABLED!!!!!!!! AT LEAST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@miguelguthridge]

@@SWC44 what are you on about? You sound like a 12 year old, and I sincerely hope you are, since at least then I can attribute your ableism to ignorance.

[@xxbuschxx9647]

I just ordered a wifi 6E router and I can say it Definitely improved my network range and signal.💯😊

[@mikeschwing6483]

I've never ever on KZbin before today tipped a content creator. Decided to educate myself on Wi-Fi 7. Watch far too many videos with self-important narrators tell me nothing about what I wanted to know. I thought you know where's that guy that always boils technology down to easily understandable and pertinent points. Looked through my history and found you and you did not disappoint. Please keep up the good work

[@anonymousguy1785]

Me going to buy router that supports Wi-Fi 6E. Thio Joe - "Wi-Fi 7 is already coming."

[@wildyato3737]

Me : Should i also buy WiFi 7 device & Router🤣?

[@bigrunts9768]

@@wildyato3737 no

[@briankgarland]

Can't wait for this. Sounds like we are finally getting what WiFi should have always been.

[@_SJ]

A sign of a great KZbinr is when you can make the topic and the sponsor both interesting 👍🏻

[@ultraali453]

This is pretty crazy. It takes a while for these features to roll out for everything but it does eventually and the situation keeps improving. Thanks for the video!

[@Digital-Dan]

Can't imagine what need most households have for more than WiFi6 provides, or even earlier ones with dual band. Range is much more important to most of us. Also reliable connections, even after the router has been up for a while.

[@UmVtCg]

What kind of a shitty router do you have that often gives problems when plugged in for a long time. A router might miss a new public IP from your ISP's DHCP when it's load is on 100% Get a router with more than one CPU core. This has nothing to do with the wifi standards used in your LAN

[@Digital-Dan]

@@UmVtCg Recent Netgear Nighthawk. Evidence is entirely anecdotal. Even devices whose internal IP addresses I have told my DHCP server to use all the time have trouble reconnecting after the router is up for a long time. Rebooting the router seems to make things better. I assume Netgear is using something close to one of the open source router implementations, but I don't know. My load is never anything close to high, so it appears just be memory system clutter or something. Don't want to argue about it though.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

I was going to say. When you realize that you've got like a potential Wi-Fi speed of 50Gbps yet most web servers only offer bandwidth of a few hundred Kbps or tens of Mbps, it's pretty pointless.

[@_yuri]

from what i understand the biggest feature is ethernet level competence there is thunderblot 3 par max speed and ethernet like latency (almost). it has same bands as last gens so it is not getting worse. also yeah router definitely matters the last dlink/netgear routers we had had a crazy long range like across the street . but the shitty cheap one that isp gave us cant even penetrate two rooms lol.

[@BattousaiHBr]

yeah the rush for higher wifi speeds seem completely pointless to me since home users will always be bottleneck by how fast their internet is. less jitter, less latency, less packet loss and more range just seems way more important than anything else.

[@damientech88]

I only just upgraded my house to WiFi 6. The raw transfer rates are a bit disappointing. It's about the same as a high end ac1900 device. Typically it's about 60MiB/s. It's more stable and flexible though.

[@xeridea]

I get 70 mbps on 2.4Ghz. The issue with all the newer WiFi standards is the 5Ghz and 6Ghz band are complete trash in the real world, where you don't have direct line of sight 5 feet from the router. I would recommend disabling higher frequencies, and just plug in anything that needs faster speeds, which is pretty much only desktops downloading massive game updates.

[@damientech88]

@@xeridea 70mbit? Ouch, that's very slow. You must be quite a way from the WAP.

[@alhamkhamo2231]

7:53 wallpaper change

[@Jason-kg8fx]

But the time Wi-Fi seven is introduced we’re just gonna get Wi-Fi 6

[@la7dfa]

The bandwidth demands increase fast these days and double every few years. So it is good to see WIFI is increasing even faster right now because we were stuck with 11g and 11n for a long time. Those with fiber internet will need gigabit speeds eventually, and WIFI 7 should give fast coverage even with wireless mesh links.

[@thesword1102]

2024: WiFi 7: 46.1 Gbps, Ethernet: 2.5 Gbps.

[@HearMeLearn]

100Gbps fiber ethernet has been a thing for years, physical cables have been and always will be better

[@bannanateam]

interesting improvements. I've been holding off on upgrading to wifi 6 as I didn't think the upgrades from wifi 5 justified the cost for new hardware. But yeah this new version will definitely be something I'll keep an eye out for.

[@Distress.]

Same here. I wasn't too interested. Until he started talking about acces points coordinating and being able to connect to multiple bands for redundancy. Those have been my biggest issues.

[@penultimatename6677]

I will believe it when I see it. All the previous standards likely would have arrived in half the time if the standard was agreed upon by everyone. The arrival date is probably doable if only everyone agrees with the standard. Has the new standard been approved? If not I won't hold my breath.

[@GYTCommnts]

The problem for me about 2.4 Ghz vs 5 Ghz and so on, at least for now, is not only a matter of range, but traveling through walls. I've tried 5 Ghz but 2.4 is unbeatable (at least for now) in reachability, and may be a priority when deciding that vs overall speed capabilities.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

True but even 2.4 g has gotten faster with each iteration vs 2.4 g of the past which wasn't even close to modern speeds

[@xeridea]

I just disable 5Ghz alltogether, it is pretty much useless in most of my house. 5Ghz and 6Ghz won't get any better in future, they will always be trash. It is basic physics, higher frequency radio waves are trash at penetrating anything. If you have direct line of sight, you are better off just plugging in a cable for a much more reliable connection anyway.

[@snowdog993]

Collisions is a good word to use for explaining the connectivity issues with multiband and mesh vs AP.

[@MikeTrieu]

The co-channel cancellation is understated here, IMHO. That feature could theoretically lead to a full-duplex Wi-Fi implementation. I know they were discussing this possibility in the 3GPP for a possible future cellular spec amendment.

[@oliversmith7354]

I'm already considering upgrading to Mediatek Wi-Fi 7 to enjoy its major improvements over Wi-Fi 6 and 6E

[@avi12]

3:50 You forgot to change "Lower Speed" to "Lower Range"

[@ThioJoe]

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[@cosmicusstardust3300]

goddamnit and I just upgraded to wifi 6 too

[@develentsai3215]

We consumers just wasted lots of money buying all kinds of new gadgets but basically it's useless because the telephone company can't keep up the infrastructure

[@darrelbryant8632]

Thanks for the update ThioJoe.

[@typingcat]

Phoque Wi-Fi 7! I just upgraded from 802.11N to Wi-Fi 6. I won't upgrade until there will be Wi-Fi 8 or something.

[@nrikhy27]

WiFi 7 is here already in 2022 . Tp link is showing up with their range of WiFi 7 routers

[@kev3226]

WiFi 7 sound so good. I wonder what people will be doing with so much bandwidth.

[@la7dfa]

Jerking off... ^^ Porn and greed drives all innovation.

[@mikeschwing6483]

Thanks!

[@joeh6316]

I literally use the stuff in your video's at work, and you have a great name

[@keithmonahan909]

“Great content as always, TJ.” !! Very interesting for sure .. keep up the great work !! 👍👍 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@michaelschwader7944]

The 6GHz has a lower range than 5GHz from what I understand. As great as the extra channels might be, I believe it would be better if they can get Wifi to work as full duplex instead of half duplex. Until then going hardwired is best.

[@xeridea]

Higher frequencies have lower penetration due to physics, so 2.4 Ghz will always have the best signal. WiFi can not be full duplex, due to the fact that the airwaves are shared by all devices. You could have it transmit at the same time on multiple bands, but it would generally be better to just bond the channels anyway. I can't even use 5Ghz band in my house the signal is so bad, so I disable it. And yeah, hardwire everything you can, guaranteed link speed, and no dropped packets.

[@tombouie]

Thks

[@ivanlimzg]

Rocking my Huawei AX3K (2x mesh)since launch week Feb 2021. But my home network underutilises it's power since it's capped at 500Mbps. This was after using ASUS AC1200G(main) + TP-Link AC750 AP (throttled at 90-100Mbps) combo for almost 7 years. Somehow I feel that WIFI tech is moving way too fast for the average consumer to actually catch up. Heck, I'm still using an N dongle to supply WIFI to my desktop for my printer.

[@Disassembly_droneN_]

Looks like the DLC is coming in different packages.

[@UYT7715Flower]

Did some research, 1080P 60P movie streaming needs 4MPS bandwidth; a 4K 60P movie streaming just needs 32MPS bandwidth... So, unless I have a battalion of boy scouts camping in my house, I don't need WIFI 7, or even WIFI5...

[@redingtonramos8791]

AccessiBe sounds great

[@AJdarkfire]

TP Link already has a line of WiFi 7 stuff ready to go.

[@vladislavkaras491]

Very informative. Thanks!

[@BGraves]

Sounds like it'll expand bandwidth well beyond our currently affordable links to the modem and require processing power that will put these devices well into the unaffordable range for most consumers

[@fordrscosworth]

Connecting to 3 bands at time for reduncancy, would kill phone batteries surely? Hopefully battery tech advances too

[@nkronert]

I know this makes me sound old, but I feel no need for a faster WiFi connection

[@ThioJoe]

Pretty much same, I'm more excited for the features improving reliability and range

[@mth0d]

The problem with wifi, is that clients take long before getting to the standards of today, making wireless access points revrting to older standards to support all the devices on its WLAN. WiFi 6 is great when all clients support it, but if 1 cliend is 802.11ac (wifi 5) or older, all the other clients cannot get most the benefits wifi 6 offers. Lots of IOT devices today are usally 802.11n, the standard from 2009.

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Exactly. It's like I say with all computer hardware where there's multiple points in a system... you're only as good as your weakest link.

[@Techkomsan]

Great Work, You always share with education Video

[@TheJonathanMMM]

Its not true, smart Mesh exists, where the APs or Satelites can talk to each other and choose which client connects to which. But WiFi 7 will maybe enhance this or make it less of a thing that every individual manufacturer includes or not and even different device categories of the same manufacturer are sometimes incompatible with each other.

[@miguelguthridge]

All existing systems use proprietary tech to offer the features meaning they're incompatible if you mix and match between different manufacturers. When WiFi 7 is fully standardised, all compatibile routers will be able to work in the same way regardless of brand.

[@TheJonathanMMM]

@@miguelguthridge Yes, but he said that they are only dumb switching (so the phone/client chooses), which is not true. But he also said he is not sure completely or so. But something outside the WiFi standard and being part of it, is probably the biggest point.

[@awesomedee5421]

Description of Mesh networks is wrong, but thanks.

[@ethimself5064]

Question: Since my last 10 Pro update my Notifications have changed radically. I sometimes don't get any/cept mail, and I now frequently get a Notification which simply states the I have a new update in the background. I have not changed any of my Settings there although after the fact I have verifies that they were set correctly and have only changed the numbers on my selected ones which is only 4. Any ideas or have you started to hear about this lately? Thanks Thio. Kinda off topic🤔

[@MrRoko91]

Same thing like with PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 5.0 - unusual how fast one came after the other.

[@MrRoko91]

@Bessie Hillum Intel 12th gen

[@MrRoko91]

@Bessie Hillum I'm not sure about that. You may need to research it if you are in a need.

[@ElisTechOfficial]

I see. The 5 gigahertz means it has lower speed, but it has better speed. I think I'll take that tradeoff.

[@andrew1898]

So wifi 6 and 6e made mesh networks not drop and stopped the complete dropout. Wifi 7 and 7e will do this with the 2.4, 5, and 6G bands!! This is such cool tech!! Can't wait to see it since I'm all ethernet backhauled!

[@francocastilloAR]

I would like to see Wi-Fi at much lower frequencies to have a lot of coverage with just 1 access point.

[@S.Singh596]

please make a video on android 13

[@Alphabet7]

Simply just built different

[@faizsuni6308]

Hi joe ,really love your videos

[@mjsthx1138]

What's the point though? If your internet connection is 1 gigabit or even 2.5 gigabit all that excess speed is wasted, unless your doing intensive data moves within the network.

[@alonzosmith6189]

Hopefully I can truly go wireless in my house.

[@scottlewis2653]

Google is collabing with Mediatek, to come up with filogic, any update on that?

[@sangkang6294]

WIfi 7 will go well with Bates 9000 system.

[@mlegos]

Wireless g was such a huge leap in distance and performance data throughput. Too bad with the higher bands we sacrifice distance from router.

[@acerbt]

As a blind user of tech, I always hate it when webpages or sites have really terrible screen reader support. A common type of accessibility problem has to do with selectable elements like links or buttons. Something might look like a button or link, but instead is just a clickable image or another type of page element all together. One example is that there might be a continue button on a form, but internally the object is a link. So if a screen reader user were told to find the button, they might end up getting the message about there not being buttons on the page or get moved to a location different than where they were wanting to go to on the page. It's still possible to use these with screen reading programs, but navigating by links or buttons won't work. Another common thing is when websites don't have proper heading structures, so quickly jumping to a particular section of a long page is not easy. Usually if I'm making a webpage, I'll program the html so that the page will work for the kinds of accessibility programs that blind users like me use every day on our technology.

[@ivosarak959]

All that is any good if client devices use the same wifi standard. I have yet to see any wifi 6 client devices around. Max wifi 5 here.

[@wildyato3737]

Most of expensive smartphones are hardly seen 6E.. standard..like iPhone or Samsung.. WiFi 6 are to been seen in Mid-range smartphone... around $300.

[@bilalmsd07]

You didn't mention the range of WIFI 7 ? Since 5g has high speed and lower range then what about wifi 7 ?

[@abdelrahmaneldesouki]

This video essay now needs an update

[@Nick12_45]

what? Wifi 7? I'm still in wifi 0.6 😭

[@katiewayles8632]

Could you do a separate video or comment on the other features? You piqued my interest with the anticipating/self-adjusting feature of Wi-Fi 7.

[@MangoMHF]

Hey, it would be nice for you to make a video on overclocking with 1usmus for ryzen CPUs

[@brielslovak2649]

how do i find out if my mother board or whatever is compatible? does it have to do with the mother board or the antenna?

[@gf.calabretta]

Almost there 😎

[@ThunderDraws]

3:51 ahhhhh yes, 5Ghz: Lower Speed and Better Speed!

[@RalseiGaming]

i can’t wait for wifi 2

[@ShadowriverUB]

it would be 802.11b, which is kind of confusing as its just 2.4GHz version of 802.11a (which would be WiFi1) that runs on 5GHz, they dont certificate a, b and g (WiFi 3) devices that just support those standards anymore (that said newest devices are still backward compatible even with a and b), n (wifi 4) is minimum thats why they dont formally designate numbers to older once, products that are celtificated for those older standard are already out with letter on the boxes

[@inkanthem]

So if nothing else uses the 6G signal currently, why would you need more channels from Wi-Fi7 over the 6E?

[@ShadowriverUB]

Because 6E is kind of wierdcase lot of router manufactures will probably just skip to WiFi 7 which 6E client devices will work with at 6GHz

[@francocastilloAR]

I don't understand why 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi has channels with 20 MHz bandwidth. They would have to be 5 or 10 MHz, or maybe 15.

[@shanent5793]

How do radio waves know to stop at borders?

[@MrKevosmin]

8:50 why did I think this is how mesh networks worked… 😭

[@SaigonBrit]

Joe, don't forget the new WiFi ZeLD-A7.1 It's 69MHz with blast processing.

[@Breeze926]

"Wi-Fi 7 can reach up to 46 Gbps" Me with my 20mbps plan

[@wildyato3737]

Most of company are only giving 1 to 10 Gigabits..of speed.. may be WiFi 7 work there

[@keeloraz9452]

Technical Mumbo Jumbo. Mumbo, maybe. Jumbo, yes

[@fluffytoaster1827]

So is WiFi7 so fast that the need for a hardwired connection is a thing of the past? Maybe you still need the good old RJ45 when gaming or doing 4K Streaming? I might be wrong because a hardwired connection will always be the most reliable and stable.

[@wildyato3737]

It is reliable since it was made....but I wonder who needs that kind of speeds..😳

[@vinhennessy3885]

Like Paul Revere, you telling us about WiFi 7. I pray for backwards compatibility.

[@TechTipsUSA]

Under 5Ghz it says -lower speed -better speed 3:52

[@ahmedanssaien6449]

Oooo, scary! 👻

[@αβγδε]

Why so less comments for a big channel?

[@Lucas_andos]

The access point corodination sound quite usefull. In my school they have a main switch in each building which connects to eachother via fiber, and fiber to the ISP. the switches in each building send ethernet to WAP in each room. However they are a bit flawed because they all just blast out wifi, and is some areas the conection is good, while in others (quite close to the wireless point) it can be dreadfully slow. I doubt the school will upgrade the wifi system, they spend most of their money on 'unecessary' things.

[@xeridea]

WAPs designed for mesh often have better coordination, though it is likely done manually, and not due through the wifi directly. WiFi 7 is finally getting coordination built into the standard, but it's about 20 years late, I don't know why it was never a standard feature until now. Seems as if they were more interested in boasting about theoretical speeds than adding better features.

[@Reycko]

cool

[@milnergregorye]

Hop fully WiFi 7 comes soon 🔜joe

[@chlorobyte_projects]

ok but wifi 8 when

[@ivanlimzg]

Prolly 2030

[@juggybob]

Looks cool pretty hyped ngl

[@FlyboyHelosim]

But do you need it?

[@andres23_007]

4:05 i live in an appartament but i have only one router... no wonder i get only 0,1 Mbps download

[@gurillamann6534]

I like your channel and I got fast internet

[@jaybax2083]

Before I view the video, I have one question, Is it April 1st today?

[@Kryptikality]

Im still mad about those Xbox live an Xbox to playstation videos joe

[@shinymike4301]

Do a huawei hit video again...sooo funny and sooo true!! If you will, I'll watch your crappy commercials instead of skipping them!

[@GeoFry3]

It's one of those things of waiting till you actually need to upgrade and just get what ever is closest to the newest at the most reasonable price. Love the new gear but I've already spent the money of wifi 6 access points and don't even have enough devices that can take advantage of it. Most of my latest upgrades have been simply getting rid of as many 2.4ghz wifi items as possible by doing network drops during some home renovation. Three unifi access points divide the house up into different 2.4ghz zones. Also replaced all the security cameras with POE unifi cameras. Wifi cameras are the worst network troublemakers. The remainder of 2.4ghz devices are just smart controls (smart plugs, switches, and appliances)

[@lukhonajames411]

Damn boy you've grown up