This $10,000 Mac Pro is absolutely worthless

[@lukemiani]

In case it wasn’t clear from the audio, I filmed this video while battling strep throat, a fever, and a common cold 😅 hope it wasn’t too bad lol

[@gourmetbiker7633]

Feel better soon

[@Fabicity]

Sounded pretty nice actually 😂👌🏼

[@frtzmsr]

Get well soon 🤒🥰

[@pauljohnston568]

Hope you get better soon! Take the time you need to get better, we'll happily watch videos a little late or a little scratchy

[@CookedLight]

A good honey in luke-warm water is the best remedy for throat infections. Acacia is my fav

[@RonLeblanc]

I'm still going to buy one, when they sell for about $200. I just want it on my shelf. It's pretty.

[@futc.photography]

I want one under my desk, as a trash can.

[@whophd]

Good luck on that. G4 cubes never went that cheap, before bottoming out and prices rising again. It won’t be as bad though - there are more trashcans than cubes, because the cube wasn’t a true Pro machine at any given time. I for one never plan to sell mine, and it’s frankly easy to store it. I also love my PowerMac G4 Dual 1GHz but it is taking up valuable space. And it will never run Windows 10 or a decent Linux, whereas 12 Xeons will be handy to do some odd jobs like that for, what? 10 more years? 20?

[@alanguile8945]

Could it be converted into a bin??

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Lol.....

[@hanniffydinn6019]

Same here!

[@KennethBDone]

I sold mine last week and i was surprised how much attention it got. It is still a nifty piece of engineering.

[@NewRepublicMapper]

Fun Fact: The Tin Can Mac Pro is the only mac that only made in USA

[@silvestrocrino3256]

Still the best looking Mac ever… if anything given their new SoC approach to ultra efficient hardware the Trashcan design would work great today…. A dual M1 Max SoC with 20 cpu cores, 64 gpu cores and 128gb ram and 4TB ssd….in a trash can …would be my fantasy

[@fruitduck604]

yes

[@valdir7426]

hopefully they won't go there; people buy mac pro so they can put PCIe card into them; and that will probably be the main reason to buy one given how the M1 max is powerful (and given the fact it will probably end up in a mac mini)

[@silvestrocrino3256]

@@valdir7426 …what PCIe card would people need to add? The dual M1 max has built in video encoders/decoders and graphics … as for anything else, my Fantasy double M1 Max trash can would have dual 10GB Ethernet ports.. 4 usb 3 ports …8 thunderbolt 4 ports…. HDMI 2.1 and latest Bluetooth and WI-FI 6e. … and there should be room for 4 nvme pcie4 connectors inside … for up to 32TB of internal storage…. Not clear to me what internal cards people would be looking for.

[@luca7069]

@@valdir7426 it's entirely up for debate if an Apple Silicon Mac Pro will have the same kind of upgradability and modularity of the current cheese grater one

[@valdir7426]

​@@silvestrocrino3256 the Mac Pro is a very niche product for people with very specialized tasks. People don't always buy mac pro to do things related to graphics; the audio world use a lot of dedicated PCIe cards with or w/o DSP; as well as fast storage as PCIe. There are many reasons to need PCIe slots. Apple has stopped the nonsense of slim and light above all else and got in a good direction for pro users with the 16"; the Mac Pro; and now the M1 pro/max macbooks. They will likely not go back to something like the trash can; and they'll probably keep what was appreciated with the lastest Mac Pro; and that is expandability. I suggest you take a look at Neil Parfitt's channel who (justifiably) uses every single PCIe slot from the mac pro for his setup (he even removed the included one with usb ports); then you'll understand why people would need PCIe slots (and why people would need a mac pro period).

[@EricParker]

Mac Pro gets completely destroyed at 6:00 because MacOS does not support Crossfire, so for those "gaming" benchmarks, it's a single d700 vs the other single GPUs.

[@RiccardoMerloVegan]

Few old games had Mac Pro 2013 support for dual GPU but assigning different task to them.

[@videocommenter235]

Funny enough, the trash can in fact does support Crossfire, albeit Windows only

[@paulmason806]

I use my MacPro 2013 for photo editing. Paid $200 on eBay, it came with the original 1TB ssd. I put a 12 core processor in it ($18 on eBay). It works great for graphics. It can run Sonoma with open core but I am fine with the Monterey OS it came with. For games, I use my home built PC running Windows with a RTX 3090Ti on Steam.

[@brentsmithline3423]

Makes a great doorstop. Thing is I would like to see "Trash Can", or "Cube" version of the ARM M series processor for the desktop with tons of ports. Pundits are always talking about GQ looks. The MacMini is nice however I would have to add a dock for all of the devices that I attach to my current iMac.

[@arturoehr]

Trash can design with a M chip would be a great computer

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Lol..... the m1 mac mini is almost empty inside, apple could have easily provided a socket to upgrade the storage with a 2.5 inch ssd or a nvme ssd just like the models before it. The intel mac mini also has way more ports too.

[@treffle17]

This form factor was ahead of it's time . It should have been used with the M1 series chip . Imagine the Mac studio in this chassis with an anodized black finish , instead of that glossy black. It would have stayed nice and cool since it only has one chip to cool with that massive heatsink. This chassis would have made sense now .

[@ericecho5118]

Good point.

[@trshcln6937]

Mac Studio.

[@jazzlover10000]

A good point but I think the M-macs don't need to be very big. With an A100 GPU tho' maybe!

[@GearZenChannel]

Still rocking the dual processor 16 core 5,1 here. I like having several internal drives including NVME. I hope the next Mac Pro is a bit more affordable than the latest version.

[@DarkCloud360]

I really liked the design. Would be a great fit for the new M chips.

[@maxsilverstone8600]

In the trash can Mac Pro’s defense, it has USB ports. That’s so valuable nowadays, I still have yet to own or find someone else who owns a USB-C accessory.

[@reedereed]

I think for music production though, this is why it still sells…IMO. That’s what I use my Mac Pro for, not for gaming or anything like that. I’m still rocking a 2010 Mac Pro…thanks to you bro! But for real, I think music producers buy it primarily for that reason; plus it looks dope!! LOL

[@xxxxxxxyyyyyyy]

Yep this is what I'm trying to decide for music production. How much noise does it generate?

[@matthewTobrien]

But the biggest issue with trying to replace a 2013 Mac Pro with a M1 Pro / Max Mac Mini is that there are too few ports. 6 TB2 ports and 4 USB-A ports is critical for pros like me who need RAIDs, multiple monitors, docks, etc. connected to power our post-production workflows. A Mac Mini Pro most likely won’t be able to handle everything I have: 3 Promise Pegasus RAID arrays 4 monitors (one is a for A/V Output in FCP) A hard drive dock A USB hub A media card hub (SD, microSD, CF) I can’t hook all that up to a Mac Mini. But I don’t want to spend $10k+ on a Mac Pro. I want the trashcan but with M1 Pro/Max.

[@scholardeville]

you say that, but considering how many trashcan videos you've made i'd say it's priceless! how much has it earned you by now! that said for all the flack luke talks, all im seeing is a computer that held its value for nearly a decade and has to be compared to the latest and greatest, and that final cut is still king.

[@thelegendarybroccoli4736]

My university uses these things like crazy. I wish i could take em 😭

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[@uzukitsune]

I use a Trashcan Mac Pro everyday for web development and honestly it still holds up pretty well. That said though I can't wait for an M1 Pro/Max Mac mini, that would be fantastic

[@HDL1776]

we have 35 of them in our office. I Cannot wait until the m1max mac-mini is available we just got 4 of the MBP- max machines and we will be buying the minis on day one !!!

[@joserascon9836]

I think the reason why I prefer a trashcan Mac over the mini is because the trashcan has way more ports available for me to plug in more monitors and things to it than the mini.

[@johnDingoFoxVelocity]

except geekbench and cinescore and all of those have been bias for years to processor manufactures and geekbench makes its money from supporting intel processors

[@fVNzO]

You mean cinebench? That one software Intel publicly tried to shame for not being a real benchmark because they got destroyed in it? That one you're referring to?

[@linksauce_1]

Just bought my trash can a few weeks ago to run Logic X on Mojave (for 32 bit plugins). 6 core, 32GB RAM, D500’s, 512GB SSD for $400. The only two “issues” with it are the power cable being a cheap 3rd party one and the couple of minor scrapes on the case (but they’re on the back so I can’t see them anyway)

[@mikaelbiilmann6826]

6:48 "..it..it's just...ooold... and baaad!" 😂

[@13StJimmy]

I work at a small print shop and we have 3 graphic designers, one just got a new Mac Pro (our shop flooded that’s a whole other story) one has a trash can Mac I think it’s a 2014 and I’m using the original cheese grater Mac Pro from 2012… and honestly mine is just as if not more reliable than the trash can it overheats so quick you can hear it gasping for air 😂

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[@colintang3910]

I love the startup sound covering the expletive!!

[@tkusterb]

You sound unwell, Luke. Take care of yourself!

[@cristianfederico2411]

Yeah I noticed that, hope is not covid.

[@experimental0000]

With the new M1 series of chips, the trashcan form factor of the older Mac Pro would be a good chassis to gut and refit these into. Kind of like shoehorning them into the old G4 cube

[@shaocaholica]

Running with 128G of memory makes the 12 core config run at less than 1/2 the normal memory speed so that’s not really showing the full potential of the trash can.

[@grafxdesigner93]

I was interested in purchasing this model but the price was way too high for something is over five years old. Even to this day, it is still way overpriced. I was still using my mid 2012 Mac Pro and wanted to upgrade. So I was looking around and then the new M1 iMac came out and I almost got one. Just wasn't feeling the size of the screen. I kept looking and ended up finding a 2017 iMac 4.2Ghz which was a step below the iMac Pro. The original owner didn't need it after purchasing a 16" inch Intel MacBook Pro. The iMac was used only for 3 months and put it away in storage after purchasing the MacBook Pro. Guess what? I only paid only $800 for it and it was spanking brand new and it was still in the original packaging that it was purchased in. When I transferred all my stuffs from iCloud. I was blown away at the speed of this iMac. This model I got is a 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 with a Retina 5K, 27-inch. Spanking brand new when I got it pretty much. So I have NO REGRETS at all at this point. Like I said I almost got the m1 iMac but I changed my mind cause I wanted the 27 inch instead. I'm waiting on the next 27 inch iMac that is in the works. If it's worth the upgrade from the one I have, I will go for it. As of now, I'm pleased with it.

[@se7enity648]

Waiting to see what the new external display looks like before buying a new Mac mini or iMac. The size of the screen will tell me what to buy.

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[@a.k.aorangepenguin5032]

I may always stay a windows guy myself but it would be nice to have one around, mostly as backup storage, full of stickers and whatnot

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[@JoelTurrell]

I am sorry that you tried to use your machine for the wrong purposes, but for those of us who knew what we were doing, it was, and still is, a great machine.

[@GameRelated]

Mate spot on!!

[@seshpenguin]

I'm curious, what purposes would be these days? I get it when it launched, performance was decent and you got lots of Thunderbolt.

[@ghost-user559]

@@seshpenguin You probably could build a pretty incredible modular home server setup with one? Have a whole basement or closet cabinet dedicated to thunderbolt accessories and raid ssd. You could have document/media storage, virtual machines running 24/7. It’s basically a very adaptable and cheaper way to build a pretty competent infrastructure for a small business or home use. Wouldn’t be perfect, or small, but ports and cores galore.

[@tankhistoryfordummies]

I'm so glad that I bought the base model 14" MacBook Pro. Up here in Canada it sells for $2499 and I got it for $2199 brand new during Black Friday.

[@slickshadows7945]

Same. Great computer

[@barkmonster]

All it took was removing any form of upgradability, faster CPU/GPUs, a faster more flexible form of Thunderbolt and the basic concept of the 2013 in it’s Apple Silicon form is an absolute beast of a system. It was like a Mac Studio limited by the technology of the time.

[@nord4471]

Hope you get better soon bro! My SO gets strep throat every year and it is not fun. I have no idea how you are filming.

[@LuPoj]

Goddamn that translucency at 0:49 is sick! Well done Sir!

[@nukenoly8751]

Purchased a 2018 made in Texas 12 core d500 trash can for $350 with a defective gpu. Fixed it for $150 and can finally run Mojave again with all my audio plugins on 4 monitors without a glitch. Beautiful music production machine

[@iRichardi]

How’s Aperture running on you macOS 10.14 on your Apple silicon MBP? You keep forgetting that these machines are still more than capable running older, unsupported and not updated apps that just work

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[@FintanMoloney]

It's a shame Apple abandoned it. I remember being blown away by the design when it came out. I guess offering upgrades for it over its lifespan was not a priority for them. If they became reasonably priced I'd buy even a low end one just to have it on the desk. Also as you said Luke the M1 Pro / Max Mac Mini will be awesome...now the question is one of those or the M1 Pro / Max iMac ? Next year will be an interesting one :D

[@ComradeRachel]

This was like when the dual core G5 power mac came out and then the mac mini with intel came out not too long later and it preformed pretty well and made the power mac G5 just look like a space heater.

[@FrancoBP]

Any ideas when the mini M1 Max would be released?

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[@alchemistTi]

I still love the look of those things and hope to find a cheap one as an heirloom

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[@vespertine_3]

censoring the shit word with the new apple start up is honestly the most iconic thing luke has ever done so far in his career (next to making his onlyfans)!!

[@steve-852]

Feel better soon, Luke!

[@archadias1]

"It's just old. And bad."🤣 The hilarious thing about the trashcan Mac Pro is that it was billed as being 'innovative' at all. This very same concept for the 'future' of the professional desktop computer, was already done in the form of the G4 Cube - a machine that, thanks to its fancy resin enclosure and proprietary ADC monitor connection - remains the embodiment of failure. That is, until the TrashCan Pro took the throne of useless. Great video. Sorry you're sick. Fortunately, iFixit has a conversion kit available to turn your 2013 Mac Pro into a Neti Pot.

[@Dimitris81]

I bought this back in 2014 due to a major fail of my then Hackintosh in the middle of a major project and I went all in! Back then it was pretty powerful but now it's time for something new. Since it doesn't make sense to sell it... does anyone has any ideas for a repurpose? maybe a media server?

[@Vishallindia]

Purchased 12 core 128gb d700 graphics for $2100 in 2021 still runs like a beast.

[@yaush_]

That little b roll bit at the introduction, with the xray of the Mac, was so lit. Very well done 🗿

[@EDWARDGLEKOV]

I myself use one and am not going to change it yet. it works as it should and it looks good)) I think it was love at first sight. I have several thunderstorm monitors plus massive storage volumes, I am a composer and edit video, I am also fond of modeling and photography. And he copes with all this without problems. yes, perhaps the new ones are faster, but they do not hold as many monitors. undoubtedly the future belongs to arm architecture. but after that I will not sell it. let him live with me with honors)))

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[@mastaLuke2]

Oh poor Luke! Get well soon :)

[@adamthurmond9092]

So I just bought a 8-core 3.0 model with 256 SSD and D700 graphics…for only $599 from someone on FB marketplace. After reformatting and installing Monterey it works pretty well. I’m sure I can resell it and turn a decent profit, but I want to hold on to it for a few months to appreciate the design and play around with it. Does anyone here think we’ll see resell values tank for it when the Apple Silicon iMac Pro and/or Mac Pro get released?

[@EnigmaResearchTeam]

Ordered a 6 core d500 for $450 US. and somehow ended up with an 8 core d700 !!! Was stoked for that price. Even today. Should work for a podcast hub unit right?

[@UmbaGuy]

Great video! Your voice from the strep throat made me sniffle just listening to you! XD

[@silverfox2782]

Is there anything wrong with using your M1 Macbook pro in clamshell mode?

[@asideofthings2526]

"Apple boxed themselves in a cylindrical corner...".. good one. ;-)

[@MorgonautHackintosh]

yeah, I do have 16 maxed out MAX now, but I will buy Mini next year and at the end of Mac Pro. AS is getting insanely good

[@xasmaniusvolk8416]

4:10 I'd say if ya wanna edit on the budget you get a M1 Mac Mini and for other stuff ya look beyond Mac and get a PC with an AMD CPU

[@CookedLight]

Disappointed the Mac Mini Max wasn't released last month, agreed, it is going to be a killer desktop pc. And I am a life-long Windows guy 🤓

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[@paulmcdonald9301]

Can’t wait for a Mac mini that has M1Max or M2 chip

[@estate-tidus1007]

You can get these for 299 middle of the road loaded as of today. That being said I wonder if it is worth it over a 2018 or m1 mac mini

[@kethean22]

But what about a decently upgraded cheese grater (5,1)?

[@adampanak9782]

I would kill for 12core with absolute high end GPU! Would tear M1s into pieces.

[@kethean22]

@@adampanak9782 I have an almost top end 12-core and it’s great, but the newest M1 pro/max definitely beat it on CPU. I have an RX570 in it so they likely beat it on gpu as well, particularly video playback and rendering. I’m likely to replace it and my dying 17” with a new 16”

[@brandonspies]

@@adampanak9782 I have a 2010 maxed dual core with a rx580 gpu that I use as a server due to large amounts of drive capacity, the 2019 Mac Pro, and the 14in MacBook Pro with the 10 core cpu 16 core gpu. The M1 spanks both my other machines in ALMOST every way. But the optimization isn’t 100 percent on everything yet and handbrake with gpu encoding is still faster on the older Mac Pros.

[@zablockimichal1]

I loved that you sensored yourself with the mac boot sound lol.

[@paulwilliams4274]

TL;DR New Macs are faster than old Macs. Shocking!

[@MrDangeroz]

Come on Luke I think you secretly love the Trash Can. I picked up a 3.5GHz 6-Core Xeon with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD for a little over $US520 (my second now). For use as a desktop it's my go to, and it's so much cooler than the pregnant Mac Mini uh M1 Studio. Roll on an silicon version....

[@MATTHEWJOHNBELL]

I'm still using a trash can for my main home computer. Drives my Dell 5k display beautifully. Works great for my needs. I would love an M1 Max refresh in the trash can form factor. A Mac Mini pro, something between the Mac Mini and a Mac Pro. Shrink the Mac Mini to the Apple TV form factor.

[@RiccardoMerloVegan]

Still beautiful I would buy one if it would cost very little. It was a remarkable piece of technology back then.

[@garysantos7053]

Compared to the 2023 Mac Studio, If the late 2013, 10 years old Mac Pro had silicone unified memory chips, it would be the most beautiful computer on the planet.

[@vincdivine]

Good thing about Mac Pro trash can is - you don't have to pay monthly subscription to use it 😇 I keeping it for a long time for use of software I collected along the way, for nostalgic reasons

[@twoeggcups]

Apple could have easily upgraded the trashcan, they just decided not to.

[@game.different]

So where does this leave the old school cheese grater? You can still slap a modern GPU in one, but the CPU is going to get destroyed by an M1.

[@chrisw443]

I am buying a mac mini the second I can to replace my 2017 imac. and the higher end chips seem to have the gpu ability i need

[@tlustejmicin]

4:00 I have the same display BenQ EX2780Q. Amazing screen for a workflow. And the speakers are so okay! :)

[@doctorscoot]

Yeah I’m totally jonesing for the M1 pro/max in a mini enclosure. I was disappointed they didn’t release it with the MacBook Pro models, I can’t wait for it!

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[@robsavage3296]

Trashcan Mac Pro... Reuse the outer shell as a waste basket for paper !

[@TheDustin151]

Still use mine every day. Guess my thought is if one of my ram sticks quit working I can replace it. Don’t think you can do that with these new macs. I’m happy with it. You should do repair videos on both and compare.

[@VolkerHett]

Remember the Power Mac G4 Cube? Totally overpriced and underpowered machine which got too hot too soon. And now look at the prices they fetch on ebay ...

[@cybernetix86]

@8:42 I laughed so hard! I was not expecting THAT

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[@N3tigen]

Can any possibility of upgrading it's CPU 😅😅

[@KevinFields777]

So much trash is gonna be created. :(

[@donaldshannon3764]

My TrashCan lives on as a VM server using bootcamp and Windows 11. The speed is plenty good for my purposes with 6-core, 64GB, 2TB SSD. dual FirePro D500s. Mid spec - it does run hot but serves a purpose. Would I like it with a M series Pro or Ultra chip ... would be a hoot. Can I buy a Studio with a Pro or Ultra ... maybe .. but I'm doing OK because I don't do games and I don't do video editing.

[@Edman_79]

From the thumbnail, I thought you have a broken display on the lappy.

[@bartreardon5197]

just wanted to show my appreciation for that opening shot fading the case to show the internals. motorised rig I'm assuming to get them to line up?

[@jeremybirdwell2623]

I’m not sure most people understand to market for Mac pros. These are not aimed at KZbinrs, desktop publishers, photographers or consumers. They are mostly used by film industry graphics shops and a laptop is not going to cut it there regardless of how powerful it is.

[@theatomicfriendsshow]

“Did I do it? Did I make it work?” - 2013 Mac Pro

[@unquestionabletv]

Why didn’t you include the iMac in the desktop macs?

[@SuperNicktendo]

They're finally focusing on function first over design. Back to the early 2000s where their desktops looked nice but still crushed it in capability. I expect to see a beautiful desktop that has the power of the m1 etc. In the next few years

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Luke - was the Mac pro better in its day than its competition? It’s not clear tome that Apple's Intel systems were that great compared to their competitors.

[@bzzerc]

If an M1 pro or max Mac mini was available, well I would scream a little at first then buy it to replace my original m1 mac mini in a heartbeat just like you said

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[@rantingcullinarian]

What’s crazy is the regular old M1 performs better in some cases than the Mac Pro. Hehe

[@angelocosta3776]

And I would buy it, if the price was lower. Not for the computer part, but as beautiful tech piece that will fit nicely in my collection.

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[@wingchong68]

in my opinion they are going to become a collector item and the value going to go up.😮

[@gabrielmako]

I just bought one with D700 for $400. July 2023 is going crazy

[@thecrowfliescrooked]

Those mac’s have galactic empire written all over them.

[@mattalki]

I'm still limping along with a 2014 Mac Mini, and the instant they have M1 Pro/Max or something along those lines in the new machines, I'm replacing it. I keep thinking the M1 will be 'good enough', but with the new chips just around the corner, I need to hang on just a little bit longer.

[@Applecompuser]

The new Mac Pro may also be obsolete now that Apple has switch to their own silicon. PS Another desktop option was the 5k iMac which was very good for the price.

[@blackzacc]

What’s wrong with the intel Mac mini?

[@TuxedoPanther]

They are still very good for high memory and high storage tasks like as a server. Don't just compare raw CPU and GPU performance. How much would Apple charge for a 64GB or 128GB machine today? The M1 Mac Mini only goes up to 16GB. These machines are classics and have years of use left in them. I'm not planning to sell mine at all.

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[@mbak7801]

When the software range on the M1 mac is so small then the older Mac Pro wins hands down. Benchmarks mean nothing. Hey I can run something I don't want much faster on machine X. Sorry that is just plain stupid.

[@kylebradshaw2759]

wonder how the mac pro 5,1 stacks up.

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Please ignore this person. They are a scammer and not the real Luke Miani. They should know that what they are doing is horrible and should not be done. If they need money, they should really go talk to Pleasant Green. They are a KZbin channel that will help you with your money troubles if you are willing to help him. I really hope you get better, the real Luke and this impersonator.

[@KaizerVilgelm]

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