This and That: Daisuke Takahashi Ice Dance, Papadakis and Cizeron & 2019 Nebelhorn Trophy

[@sueecavanau]

www.gofundme.com/f/support-for-the-messing-family

[@marikafasola8771]

You re his wife???that begging of money is disgusting...doesnt she has a family(also his) and big group of friends as she claims? First she wanted 10, 000$ now she changed to 50,000$ when she noticed that people bought that sad story... Pathetic loser. Soon she will change it to 100.000$ How long she thinks people will support her and her children and provide her money?

[@a9029k]

Marika fasola What is wrong with you?

[@marikafasola8771]

@@a9029k nothing. I have pride

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Marika fasola the family lost his income forever. You’re woefully insensitive.

[@marikafasola8771]

@@TheSkatingLesson So sensitive people have to pay for her children thousand of dollars because she lost her husband? She felt that people give her money , just like that and she changed "the amount of money..It is very rude and greedy. DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR I would say... I know woman who has 3 children and she works to feed them . She doesnt bag for money.But of coutse her husband was not brother of canadian figure skater , someone more famous. She knows that helps gettng "easy" money. Maybe that women should change work or start working..And family can supprt her and friends.

[@claudsk33]

TIMESTAMPS: 1:44 - Keegan Messing’s brother (RIP) - go to their GoFundMe page if you want to help them out 2:30 - Daisuke Takahasi ft. Kana Muramoto, Satoko Miyahara, Tim Koleto 8:39 - Gabriella Papdakis & Guillaume Cizeron JGP Croatia: 21:02 - Daria Usacheva 26:28 - Russia v Korea rivalry + Haein Lee 29:03 - JGPF ladies showdown 29:38 - Artur Danielian 31:30 - discussion ft. Buianova, Elena Radionova, Inna Goncharenko and her interview, the first pancake Nebelhorn Trophy: 33:24 - Aljona Savchenko’s baby + Meghan Duhamel’s final trimester 35:20 - Alexa & Chris Knierim 41:16 - Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier 44:48 - Kirsten Moore-Towers & Michael Marinaro 49:29 - Ryom Tae-ok & Kim Ju-sik 51:04 - back to KMT + Kauai 53:03 - Lilah Fear & Lewis Gibson 58:18 - Olivia Smart & Adrian Diaz ft. Kaitlin Hawayek & Jean-Luc Baker 1:03:20 - Marie-France sass 1:03:50 - Laurence Fournier Beaudry & Nikolaj Sørensen 1:06:58 - Kaitlin Hawayek & Jean-Luc Baker ft. Christina Carreira & Anthony Ponomarenko 1:12:59 - Mariah Bell 1:14:26 - Marin Honda + Japanese ladies Other/Discussion of the week: 1:17:10 - Jason Brown + Nam Ngyuen 1:18:02 - Alexei Bychenko 1:18:33 - Gracie Gold at Regionals 1:19:13 - Dave seeing O in Vegas & Jonathan seeing Elton John 1:19:35 - Closing

[@natalirios2510]

I´ve been singing "i´m gonna live forever" all the time since p/c show their RD

[@TheSkatingLesson]

natali rios remember my name!

[@garysimmons1485]

My greatest sympathies for the Messing family ,,,,very tragic.

[@a9029k]

Gary Simmons horrible. Keegan seems like the nicest person in the world.

[@RAMSIL882]

I found Haein's skating gorgeous. Has become one of my favourite juniors this year.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

RAMSIL882 stunning!

[@nguyenhoangtinhhai5415]

and her dress for SP Nortune is stunning!!

[@drnkrspth433]

I'm a hard core Daisuke fan and I totally approve this new couple! Kana has a dancer's flair which is very rare in Japanese figure skaters. She also converted from singles in 2014, after training along Daisuke at Kansai Univ. They know each other well, she has experience, and Daisuke is such a fast learner. I see so much potential in them, and great chemistry, too. BTW the reason Daisuke is competing at the Nationals for the last time is to put a firm period to his singles career and so his fans can bid farewell, which he could not do in 2014 and still regrets.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

n t I just think there is no time to waste adapting to ice dance! It will be a huge challenge. I appreciate the beautiful sentiment.

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

I am leaving a very stressful family meeting and checked for this 10 mins ago to listen to. Thank you.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I am sorry that you had a stressful meeting!

[@LaChicaMadrilena]

Just imagine Marie-France and Romain at the boards, dancing to ONE TWO THREE BEND... while P/C are skating... 😍

[@aliecatze4922]

Speaking of ice dance originality, you should really spare a moment for Maria Kazakova and Georgy Reviya (Georgia) who won their 2nd JGP of the season in Zagreb and are headed to the final. Their free dance is something special.

[@Essylte]

The Georgian team definitely caught my eye. I hope they win gold soon.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

I love their free dance choreography but I wish they’ll eventually execute it more cleanly.

[@Lily0713]

I have been following Haein Lee since her last JGP and I am falling in love with her more and more! Definitely a gorgeous skater! Btw, I was so upset when livestream for Nebelhorn was keep cutting off for the 2 skaters whom I wanted to watch the most, Yelim Kim and Mariah Bell, for both SP and LP! I mean it was pretty obvious that Mariah winning the competition cuz the other skaters are not quite at the level of Mariah but I wanted to see her new programs live!

[@rop888]

I don't even watch ice dance, but I instantly loved P&C's RD. How can you not enjoy the 80's aerobic video vibe. Hopefully they wear something cute and tacky to really sell it. FS fandom has a habit of seeing a program in the early stages and trashing it (if it's done by someone they don't like)

[@evelynwashere13]

He should wear light blue shiny jogging pants with stripes up the sides, a muscle shirt, and a terry cloth headband and wristbands. She should wear the headband and wristbands, a leotard, and leg warmers! I think I would fall out 😂😂😂😂

[@louismaurati3989]

The new KMT FS was the best they have ever had. Stunningly beautiful! The audience in the arena was captivated. I’ve never seen Michael as artistically involved in a program. The choreography was non stop and seemless and left you wanting more at the end. If there is ever a year for KMT to medal at worlds - this is it!! And it’s ABOUT TIME!!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Louis Maurati I love the FS!

[@nvadqs]

She needs to change the costume! She needs an edgier style with that music, no pla-pink-princessy....

[@simplyskye3773]

I don't know if they can win medal at Worlds, there are other teams with stronger quality, but the program is excellent, and I'm not sure why Jonathan was so down on it. But he's entitled to his own opinion.

[@louismaurati3989]

simply Skye they could challenge for a bronze with this program. Most teams have similar content and even with stronger elements, many are inconsistent. I think this program could reach mid 140s with more refinement. Given that worlds are in Canada, they definitely have a chance this year! They are due.

[@bettydraper3501]

One of these days I'm going to remember to mute my Alexa before you start talking about the Knierims! ALEXA STOP.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Betty Draper hahaha

[@kikukoshinchi320]

A fun trivia. Kana Muramoto had most of her past and present coaches at Pyeongchang Olympic Games. Her first coach Sonoko Nakano, as Kaori Sakamoto’s coach, her second coach Mie Hamada as Satoko Miyahara’s coach and her ice dance coach Marina Zueva.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

17:00 the Papadakis/Cizeron FD - it reminds me of something Torvill and Dean would have done in their "Professional" days, but with a slice of "France" in it. Or even John Curry when he was doing his ballet on ice.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Michelle Evans agreed with John curry

[@Eeyora1]

I just watched the Fame program for the fourth time and the “On Ice Perspectives” version for the third time. The opening cut and the fact that it’s a new program definitely give it an exercise class vibe but needless to say I’m obsessed. Please when is someone going to do a “Flashdance” program.

[@amelies.2209]

I usually am all team V/M but wow P/C have such an amazing free. Hands down it’s a masterpiece 🤩❤️

[@nenavujicin7882]

So happy for Dai (although ice dance isn't my fav figure skating discipline ) i'm ready to follow his performances with great enjoyment !!!!! Btw, so sorry for Keegan ; really sad news ,my deep condolences to his family.

[@larhumba4233]

Fear & Gibson were 3rd in the FD, 2nd in FD TES, and deserved to be on the Podium, but no British Judge on the Panel, so they got dinged on PCS. How could you interpret a Madonna Medley any better than they did? Give them all the PCS for Composition & Interp. One Judge was brave enough to give GOE+5 for their Vogueing Character Steps down the width of the rink (that was such a great innovation by the ISU last season). And yes, it was their music choices last season and this, Romain Haguenauer always does their choreo, but they have a lot of input as you can clearly tell. They are one of the physically fittest icedance couples competing.

[@RakuRadio]

Daisuke is still getting used to the new boots! They are aiming for 2022. I agree that shooting for singles nationals this season seems a bit redundant, especially if Hanyu shows up.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

kats555 with or without Hanyu, it is not an effective use of his time if he is indeed serious about ice dance.

[@claudsk33]

Have no fear, timestamps are nearly here!

[@ninatian2372]

Thx so much!

[@corgeousgeorge]

I love the fame program, I dig the opening soooo much!

[@sarahrosenberg8544]

From the makers of TSL, introducing “Not that John Travolta” 🤣

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Sarah Rosenberg 😂😂😂

[@sameoldsteph]

I love P/C's programs. They are so out of the box. My 7 year old daughter was completely drawn in by their RD. She came over to me and was asking, what is that? I think with costumes and better camera angles we'll see it better. As far as their FD - nothing like I've ever seen. Love it. They are something.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Stephanie Senerchia I love it!!

[@melannca-v4v]

@@TheSkatingLesson It is so refreshing. Can't wait to see their costumes.

[@optimalrefundable]

Did y'all see Tarasova wish Mao a Happy Birthday? I only ever want to be wished a happy birthday ever again this way.

[@garysimmons1485]

My Highlights: Artur Danielian SP in Zagreb, Gogolevs quad Salchow in the FS, Haein Lee completely enchanted me and Mozalev is very consistent. From Nebelhorn, the Knierims twist was breathtaking but KTM deserved the win,,,,but I’m with Jonathan on KTM(don’t hurt me). The Senior Men at Nebelhorn we’re outskated by the Junior Men in Zagreb, which makes, for me, the JGP Final an exciting event, not to mention the Jr Women as well !! The Fear and Gibson FD was a highlight as well ! I’m also excited to see Daisuke in ice dance ! Looking forward to Skate Canada to see if the Seniors can up their game, and how Gracie will do at Regionals ! ,,,,I’m also very curious about the trip to 🇰🇵 North Korea !( do they go to these competitions with some kind of guards to make sure they don’t defect?)

[@garysimmons1485]

Evan Perilstein ,,,consistent wins the game, in an era where such high risk elements are attempted. I think if he had more lively music it would help as well. I’m a Samsonov fan, but skating clean is the name of the game and Mozalev has been able to do that thus far. JGP final will be a great competition.

[@vncntd3962]

@@evanperilstein5308 Mozalev's problems were compounded by the absolutely dreadful mishmash of tracks that constituted his FP. It literally sounded like random needle drops. Not that I think he's inherently artistic to begin with, but a better choreographer (and music editor) would help him enormously. The absence of any development or flow to the routine made him seem like a worse skater than he is.

[@vncntd3962]

@@garysimmons1485 Let's hope Danielian makes it to the JGP Final as well (If only for his amazing SP). Danielian will qualify if Grassl doesn't win JGP Italy. If Grassl does win, Danielian will get bumped to the first alternate spot.

[@garysimmons1485]

Evan Perilstein ,,I just have a feeling that Samsonov or Mozalev will win the JGPF ,,,we shall see 🤔

[@garysimmons1485]

Evan Perilstein ,,,it will all come down to who can deliver what on that day,,,with the difficulty of the elements it is impossible to know who will win,,,for me, it’s just a gut feeling that Samsonov will pull it off. Look at last year, Gogolev won the Jr GPF and he wasn’t even suppose to be there.,,,but do to an injured skater he got to go and laid it down when it counted. I’m looking forward to the men’s and ladies Jr GPF 👍

[@filmgeek520]

The Nebelhorn feed broke right at the beginning of Mariah's SP and I was so effing pissed about it :')

[@zb6070]

B*tch, why won't it work.

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

I love the shapes in the P/C FD, but the guy reading the slam poem sounds basic AF and I hate the sound of the poem. but I agree the actual skating is next level.

[@anjeden10]

Agree! Visually, so beautiful. Not an auditory delight

[@TheGibson0928]

RE: train issues- Meagan did a full-day workshop (my 11 year old son was there) near Kingston, ON- and she took the train back and forth from her home. She didn't take much of a break at all the whole day- so she must have been completely exhausted on the way back for sure. Canadians usually do a better job of being helpful... honestly! :)

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

53:20 YAY - we so love Fear and Gibson! I'm sure this programme is going to be absolutely stoking by Euros and Worlds. Couldn't agree more about the judging. Last season they were robbed in Euros, they should have placed third. Where music in skating is concerned - a lot of skaters, coaches, judges go through the motions, I think what Fear and Gibson have done with their spanking music choices over this season and last has pricked up everyone attention. Music choice and good editing matters.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Michelle Evans 🔥🔥🔥

[@kdcm6690]

The problem with Marin Honda is she can't bring a programme home, like T&M in that regard. They deflate after the first error. Then the energy just leaks out of the whole thing. There's no Plan B with them.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Kcbg she doesn’t have the training to rely on, and you can tell that T&M haven’t done the run throughs either.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

9:00 I've watched the Papadakis/Cizeron RD Fame a few times. It's brilliant, and it will improve and become more natural as the season progresses. However, the music is in three parts, part one as a distinct part - wouldn't change it, part 2 and 3 are linked and are two halves of a theme, but the edit could be vastly improved in p2 and 3. That said, what they've created with it is phenomenal and would be hard to beat in any season. I'd love to have enough time on my hands to fix the music and give it back to them ready.

[@angelalaurent2324]

Completely agree with Jonathan!

[@msuescun]

I kind of enjoy when Dave and Jonathan disagree and hash it out. On this one, I'm with Dave; I like the KMT FS. The French FD is brilliant, will be exquisite when it develops, and one of those exhilarating moments of something genuinely new done by the best that pushes the sport forward. Also, let us hope that we don't see a bunch of pedestrian spoken word programs next year. Am I right to worry about that?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Marisa Suescun the KMT program is great. I don’t think too many basic types will go for pedestrian spoken word. It is kind of a lot to take on.

[@ちゃんげん-k2j]

Why Daisuke does not move to ice danse right now is that he wanted to show his fans his last danse as a single skater . Because every his fan was so sad in that he suddenly disappeared from the competition the last time he skipped the World 2014 and announced his ending as a single skater. Daisuke was also so traumatized for that. This time he chose to continue his career as a single till Jan next year so that all of us could see his ending calmly in satisfaction.

[@liana-stefanelli1031]

The Knierims are a better pair than Cain and LeDuc and I need the scores to reflect that this season to stay sane. C/L did a good long program at US Nationals while the other teams were floundering and changing coaches, but that doesn't mean they need to be overscored every time out now. The skating was much better this week in Oberstdorf. Thank you for pointing out the issues with Marinaro's lifts, we don't hear enough discussions about the details of pairs. It was impressive, however, that they weren't fazed after hearing the big score for the Knierims' impressive skate, and they went out and nailed a beautiful program instead of try to protect the lead. It was a great pairs battle early in the season that I wasn't really expecting. Alexa and Chris look so much better, and their confidence is growing slowly but surely. Still some things to iron out, but many noticeable improvements and strong programs this year. The twist they did here is the best in the world.

[@chrisp231]

French dancers' rhythm dance was so amazing but I just adored Hawayak/Baker's BeeGees dance.

[@dustinmuniz9170]

Dave’s response to Jonathon re KMT was amazing. Good stuff.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Dustin Muniz it is true!!

[@adriannecasale7605]

Alexa and Chris look amazing and only simpletons focus mostly on the jumps in pairs. They are getting better, and the clean skates will come, you can't force it. The way they pair skate is high quality and big, with amplitude, speed, and explosive bursts of energy, which is not as easy to be clean as someone whose throws barely get off the ground. I too am not into Hallelujah, but Mariah's confidence has grown and she's getting that 3-3 around better. It's also good that she's doing it in the long now instead of just the 2A-3T. Overall, Nebelhorn was quite enjoyable this year.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

We pointed out that they have very good elements, especially their lifts, twists and death spiral. The lutz throw was good as well.

[@adriannecasale7605]

Oh I know, I wasn't speaking about you. I was talking more in general about certain people's tendencies to judge the US pairs just by the jumps, which is particularly amusing given that they all have such different techniques and ways of doing pair skating.

[@tb4522]

What an embarrassment of TSL riches this week! How can ANYONE hate the Fame program? It's my everything! I was in it from the get go. This will definitely go viral! Their FP seems much of the same (sorry), but so excited to see them do a different style. Look how amazing they are at it already! After the Sheeran program, I hoped they'd do more like this! Yeah! BTW, I prefer Jonathan's bay window background! If you've got it, flaunt it! Lol.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

TB there is no pleasing you. Lol.

[@tb4522]

@@TheSkatingLesson Lol! But I'm all in for the Fame program! They killed it, even at this early stage! I'll even dig out my 80's leg warmers to show my support for it! Those are the only things from the 80's that would still fit me! Lol. 😁

[@tb4522]

@@TheSkatingLesson Also, I do like their new FD. It's brilliant and moving. But we already knew they could do that style better than anyone ever has. That's why I'm so much more excited to see them see a totally different style from them. 🤷‍♀️

[@anne-sophie5219]

I thought their FD isn't that similar to their usual "style" very stop start and very much towards contemporary dancing which they'd touched upon last year. Can't wait for the costumes to get the full effect (🤞🤞for leg warmers, perm and skimpy shorts in RD)

[@tb4522]

@@anne-sophie5219 LOL! And a neon colored flashdance top, at least on Gabby!

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

I would have killed a man with my bare hands to have been able to see Akiko Suzuki preform a competitive ice dance routine.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

SaintHaHaLOLZ I feel like an ice dancer needs to be able to get in touch with their inner tramp and I am not sure I see Akiko like that! But her edges would’ve been beautiful.

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

​@@TheSkatingLesson :O You take that back, or a thousand curses upon you, your kin, and your children's children! Maybe (definitely) I'm just too partial to her skating, but I think she could have used her 2008 Libertango energy as a sexy fire. That was pretty close to sultry, was it not?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

SaintHaHaLOLZ I thought it was a bit like Alissa Czisny does a tango!

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

@@TheSkatingLesson The fact that my initial reaction to that was "I'd also pay to see Alissa Czisny stumble her way through a tango romantica" says a lot about me as a fan. I'm trash, but I'm self aware trash.

[@SaintHaHaLOLZ]

@@TheSkatingLesson In this house, we stan off brand program choices. I'd also like to see someone (either Tarasova/Morozov or Tennell do a LP to gangsters paradise), just to see what would happen.

[@sschimel]

I agree with you guy on Fear/Gibson free dance. I had to go watch it. It's great. But to me, it reminds me of Manta/Johnson's Sweet Dreams, and I think they might have sold it better. Though I think this program will probably develop into a iconic program for Fear/Gibson.

[@o4ka47]

Papadakis and Cizeron's FD is the ice dance equivalent of a French New Wave movie.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

iliyana 💯

[@nvadqs]

Totally!!!!

[@o4ka47]

@@TheSkatingLesson Maybe they should record the spoken word in french. We don't need to understand what the guy is saying, we just need to feel the pain and longing in his voice.

[@fabs8498]

Si le texte avait été écrit en français le monde non francophone se serait plaint de ne rien comprendre. Je pense qu'il n'a pas été choisi seulement pour le sens mais aussi pour le flow.

[@anjeden10]

On KMT, I do enjoy the free, costuming, concept...i think I may be able to identify Jonathan's issues. Like him, I adore Aliev. KMT is like the anti-Aliev. Where his substance seems to be made of quicksand, KMT seems to be made of clay. The music calls for a little more fluffy movement where KMT's movement quality is more suited to more gutteral music. Though she seems to love performing it in her face, and it may suit her emotionally (Sidenote, Sui also has the more "solid" substance and their programs last year suited that grounded feature so perfectly) LOVE the Fame program so far. The free is truly beautiful to me; love the shapes in the lifts, fluid movement. However, I find it much more accessible than much of modern dance. I thought initially of Chock and Bates exhibition years back at the start. I concur Frazier has improved. His lines were surprisingly good. Not into Denney/Frazier short. Alexa's dresses are beautiful this year. What did the North Korean girl have on top of her head? Was she supposed to be an angel?

[@fashionmwah]

The North Korean girl is South Korean. I believe you’re discussing Kim Ye-Lim. She was skating to Swan Lake. If you’re familiar with the ballet, then you’d understand the head accessory. She’s not necessarily an angel, but the character (the white swan) is supposed to be of great character.

[@anjeden10]

@@fashionmwah thank you for your response. I was referring to Tae Ok Ryom

[@fashionmwah]

anjeden10 Oh I see! I apologize. I thought you were talking about Kim Ye-Lim who also has a headpiece. I actually don’t know much about Tae, but it’s something new to me then.

[@RocketCandyColored]

So excited for Takahashi! Honestly, I find the poem with Papadakis and Cizeron to be very poor in...many levels ("That even the cracks that drew their faults between two opposing sides could not escape a fate that was always destined to be sealed, " yiiiiiikes Forest Blakk. No original imagery, beauty of sound, wordy for no reason, turgid.) Beyonce integrated poetry perfectly in the Lemonade film with Warsan Shire, so this is sooo disappointing. I definitely love the concept for ice dance. :( "If it's what you truly want ... I can wear her skin over mine. Her hair over mine. Her hands as gloves. Her teeth as confetti. Her scalp, a cap. Her sternum, my bedazzled cane. We can pose for a photograph, all three of us. Immortalized ... you and your perfect girl. I don't know when love became elusive. What I know is, no one I know has it. My father's arms around my mother's neck, fruit too ripe to eat. I think of lovers as trees ... growing to and from one another. Searching for the same light. Why can't you see me? Why can't you see me? Why can't you see me? Everyone else can."

[@taliagrigorian397]

Please see the light and see how much better then Knierims look than last season. Even their twist is now even more incredible. Why is Jonathan still bellyaching over a couple of leg kicks they tried last season? It's not a big deal, and skaters always change transitions. I'd rather they focus on an element than a leg kick. Their programs are great, I especially love the free skate, and I see a drastic difference in Components. Aliona and everyone else who has worked with them since then have collectively taken this team to another level. Their pair skating is so strong they don't have to be perfect, and it's good they're going at their own pace. To me they're a transformed team and their success at this first event will build their confidence.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Talia grigorian the Knierim’s really have diehard fans who defend their every move like they are Hanyu. It is really something!

[@annfotlyan8655]

Was waiting on this video, yay!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Ann Fotlyan yay!

[@fzztsimmons]

So happy fear/gibson are getting the love they deserve! They're also one of the few ice dance couples where I find myself watching him more than her!

[@Peripeteially]

On KMT checking over their shoulders before the throw - they likely do it when they're training to make sure they don't smoke another skater, and don't change their habits when they're competing! Looks very much like just a pre-jump shoulder check.

[@Donamtrx]

Mmk…I know I’m late.. but I’m always ready to gush about G&G like a giddy lil fangirl. None of their programs ever get old to me🤩 & this “FAME” was like a bolt of lightning⚡️🔥 how bout that sassy lil thigh squeeze she put on him right in the beginning @ :27-ish!! I squealed out loud! It was MAJOR FUN….start to finish🥳 & I LUVLUVLUUUV SASSY GABBIE🤩 From what I’ve currently seen so far I have a feeling we’re gonna see SULTRY SEDUCTIVE GABBIE at these Olympics🤞🏻 I adore them both so much…but I’ll be here all day if I start on my darling Guillaume, too. One thing I will say…I have NEVER seen a more perfect specimen of man sizzle on ice so gracefully. PERIOD.😍⛸🔥🥇

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

Kana was actually a lot more interesting than Chris but she had zero experience, I am so excited for this team

[@TheSkatingLesson]

It will be interesting to watch!

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

@@TheSkatingLesson yes, I think winning for them is going to be the impact they have on the discipline in Japan and getting to words, 4cs, im really excited to see their programs

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Lisa Critzer and going for that team medal.

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

I hope they get it

[@Qacc6]

I happen to think the Fame program is Guillaume's program. His moves are taking all the spotlight again. And I dislike the "So You Think You Can Dance" push by the ISU, and also the new P/C FD has moments that remind me of trite stuff on that show too, but yeah I loved that "Hiiigh" lift.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Qacc6 he is amazing. I find myself watching her.

[@Donamtrx]

☝🏻their “FIND ME” program is where I fell in love with them.🤩😍just sayin🤷🏻‍♀️

[@srgnt0016]

Looking forward to your matching red-pant outfits in the hallways at Skate America. ;) PS - has anyone been to that arena when they have ice in? Do I need to pack my northern Canadian skidoo suit, or will a wrap suffice? Thanks!

[@marcgalvan9360]

With the Daisuke news, it made me think. I wonder if Marin Honda has a future in ice dancing? thoughts?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Marc Galvan I think she is too lazy (sadly).

[@TheSkatingLesson]

B. Lmao.

[@origamis9477]

@B. Sorry, she said that last year, too.

[@marcgalvan9360]

@@TheSkatingLesson so she is just a wasted potential? sad.

[@fashionmwah]

Evan Perilstein Don’t say that. Mostly because it just seems like you’re jumping to conclusions. Look at Elizabet Turnsbaeva. Look at a Elizaveta Tuktamysheva. You should adopt Elizaveta’s attitude. In interviews, she finally admitted that she stopped caring about results and what people think; she started figuring out why she loves to skate and continues despite her ups and downs in her career. Elizabet probably has the same mentality.

[@DSQueenie]

53:00 Nebelhorn Ice Dance 💃🏽 I can’t believe I missed this!

[@heartofoshun2]

Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron's spoken word program--they nailed it--loved watching them! But the poem sucks. No content really. I wish it were in a language I could not understand--then I could love it. I am terrified to hurt the author's feelings. But it doesn't stand alone--needs context.

[@evelynwashere13]

I love the program, the music, and I think the poetry is okay. I think the poetry they use in spoken word can be pretty abstract anyway but it's the emotion behind it that usually pulls you in but this speaker didn't, he just spoke the words. They should have had an indie rapper do it because they really pull you in...

[@Samantha-td2ie]

I feel like Christina and Anthony could definitely be 3rd at nationals

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Samantha absolutely

[@Amy-bl8sp]

I'm not particularly worried for Hawayek/Baker making the Olympic team. Carreira doesn't even have a green card yet, and I don't know anything about Kolesnik's citizenship status but I doubt he's that far in the process either. I think H/B will win the Handra/Sinek "well they were both born here" Olympic berth.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Amy Lala they have some serious concerns due to the size issue and a lack of improvement.

[@Amy-bl8sp]

@@TheSkatingLesson I agree, but they only have to be in the top three of dance teams where both partners are American citizens to make the Olympics. They might not make another Worlds team, but they (or McNamara&Carpenter, who generally place well but IMO are as memorable as a loaf of bread) are more likely to make the 2022 Olympics than Carreira&Ponamarenko, who would literally need an act of Congress to get there.

[@Samantha-td2ie]

Amy Lala we should just have Anthony skate with Avonley

[@davidfaz2435]

"we're going to skate to the spoken word" laughing for real

[@TheSkatingLesson]

David Faz 🖕🏻

[@davidfaz2435]

@@TheSkatingLesson omg why so aggresive, i was laughing with you 😔, maybe it came out wrong

[@TheSkatingLesson]

David Faz I was pointing up in agreement. That is a pointer finger meaning “this!”

[@TheSkatingLesson]

David Faz there are comments I would LOVE to give the finger to, but hold back. Like the woman calling Keegan Messing’s sister-in-law greedy. Your comment certainly wasn’t one them!!! ❤️❤️

[@davidfaz2435]

@@TheSkatingLesson lol! I would give the finger to that.

[@mademsoisellerhapsody1868]

Fear & Gibson bring it again

[@TheSkatingLesson]

MAdemsoiselle Rhapsody they really do!

[@a9029k]

Mariah’s Lady Gaga exhibition was breathtaking

[@TheSkatingLesson]

A 💯

[@tylervandy2543]

Good comments, Dave. I just thought Chris Knierim did that move in the program you speak of great. There was no mistake. He’s improved so much since Dalilah. And I’ll take him over Brandon Frazier. For the Knierims, I might reorder the death spiral with the second triple, if they find that easier, which might allow them to rework that section and eliminate the pause while they wait for that one beat of music. The rest of the program is stunning, and I don’t know Jonathan is talking about with smoke breaks. I just see stunning, flowing pair skating.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tyler Vandy watch the second move with the leg extension, he gets off. I am very particular (I realize), but do are the judges.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tyler Vandy so*

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Tyler Vandy The Knierims don’t do a ton of transitions. The program is largely big crossovers. I don’t necessarily think they’re smoke breaks. I consider an extended stop a smoke break.

[@tylervandy2543]

I see the part you’re talking about, but I actually thought she got a bit off there, not him. Regardless, I think it’s a beautiful pairs program, different, and I’m just glad to see a real step forward from previous years. They look world class. I don’t need to see them doing Aliona types of transitions, I need them to be confident. Remember that one year Meagan talked about keeping the program not as complicated for the sake of consistency. D/R won Worlds that year. I’m not fond of that one pause, but I didn’t see it as a rest spot, they were just waiting for the beat of music. That part could be changed or reorganized.

[@optimalrefundable]

Trusova's grey dress is the worst thing I've seen on ice costume wise in a long time.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Cornelian Agreed

[@karinmorris4224]

Hideous. Three sizes too big, long ugly skirt. Just an atrocity.

[@izleversee1]

Please stop. She is only 15.

[@patriciaann7330]

I prefer Alexa and Chris so much more than Ashley and Tim. So much more raw talent and better programs.

[@taliagrigorian397]

It's true. Alexa & Chris are far and away superior on all of the pair elements. The side by side elements are erratic for both teams, a little more so for Alexa & Chris. Ashley & Tim took advantage of what was a very chaotic and rough time in Alexa & Chris's lives last season, but now A & C look healthy and back to normal. They simply have better pair skating quality, and even without perfect jumps, they deserve to come out ahead on most occasions. And they do have better programs, the free especially.

[@bx7146]

I've said it so many times before that Papadakis Cizeron need to do something new, and FINALLY they have. I'm your obvious Virtue Moir fan who is nostalgic for classic ice dance programs, so I've never really cared for PC's repetitive skating ... but I'm so glad they are going out of their comfort zone for this season's RD. Good for them!

[@darylmadill9259]

Kana Muramoto skated for Japan with Hiroichi Noguchi in 2014, and trained at the Vancouver Ice Dance Academy with Megan Wing & Aaron Lowe

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Daryl Madill thank you.

[@anneguntert1566]

Check out Dailymotion but they had tech problems with the stream.

[@simplyskye3773]

These are the best free programs Kirsten & Michael and Alexa & Chris have ever had, and both teams were very impressive at Nebelhorn with room for improvement. Alexa & Chris are stronger on many of the elements, but less sure of themselves in the early going, especially with that new Raf triple toe technique which has me skeptical. I don't see anyone else doing a pattern into a toe that way, so I don't see the logic. The less movement on the entry, the less Chris will rush. I don't agree with Jonathan's assessment of the Canadians' program, it was excellent, and we must remember that pairs isn't ice dance and isn't as choreographically focused. It's also not fair to call the Americans' program very watered down transitionally just because they aren't doing the same exact transitions Aljona gave them that you still can't get over. Some of those transitions fouled up their elements, so they changed them for the sake of making the elements stronger, which is ultimately what gets you points. The goal is to get them more comfortable, not less. The program is a strong step up choreographically-- they are moving in a different way and there's room for growth. Those two pairs were the clear standouts of the event.

[@natew5694]

are there time stamps?

[@goldburnm]

Yay! Moving over here.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@mi121x5]

Where is the time stamp 👀

[@zb6070]

I love Daisuke. However, I think if he does well, it basically sounds like any ice dancer is just someone who can't do singles, when there are many difficult things about it.I think assuming Daisuke will do well, despite his wonderful skills, is almost an insult to the field.

[@zb6070]

@mish098aimer I think a switch is ok. However, I think the idea that he can be so good in such a short time (and at his age) is unrealistic. I think he may not due pairs because it can be more straining on his body (and I suspect) a much higher injury risk.

[@ColonelGreen]

@mish098aimer Daisuke is too short to be a pairs skater. Pairs, in general, is far more physically demanding than singles.

[@Chikis123ss]

I love the P/C's rhythm dance, but the free.... Their movements are beautiful, the choreography is great, but I hate the voiceover poem and the music underneath is just dull. I am really disappointed, and I love them.

[@kezblu]

Exactly. Their choreography is really excellent but they went for cheesy words that sound like some Forbes magazine inspirational quote of the day on a backdrop of lobby mood music. Unfortunately, after last year's equally disappointing music, I think it's time to accept that Cizeron just has rather teeny musical taste. Iy would have been such a great opportunity to skate to a real poem set to more sophisticated classical or contemporary classical music.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

13:10 and shoulders Jonathan

[@jcaslove1]

Nothing is universally loved, but Moore-Towers & Marinaro's free skate is a fantastic vehicle for them. And the Knierims' free skate has great potential. They can still make some adjustments, but it's beautiful and different from a typical US pairs program without giving them too much clutter that makes them uncomfortable. Benoit seems to be inspired somewhat by Savchenko & Massot and Sui & Han in his pairs work, and the Knierims have never looked better. They had several errors, but look closer to putting out a really solid skate than they have in a couple years. They left a really good impression here, a clear step up from last season. I find Denney & Frazier's return to Lion King music a little gimmicky. If you have to skate to a particular song to get people to notice you, something's wrong. I preferred Version 1's ending, although the beginning of Version 2 is stronger. But who doesn't like Circle of Life, and they are a stronger pair than Tarah & Danny.

[@amberelibrennan]

“The junior grand prix in who goves a f***” LOL 😂 honestly same

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Amber Brennan almost every arena is empty!

[@srgnt0016]

Here's the Go Fund Me Link for Keegan's brother - so incredibly sad. www.gofundme.com/f/support-for-the-messing-family

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

If you can’t appreciate the French , you’re trying not to! Also, piper and Paul Should learn that you can be disciplined and blade masters and tongue and cheek but be refined and innovative from the French. I think carol and Juriz(sp) have taken them as far as they can

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Bnizzofashizzo agreed on the last point!

[@annfotlyan8655]

so if we don't like their programs we're trying not to? some of us just don't like it, period

[@ninatian2372]

Irrelevant but I don't think I've heard TSL ever say Alexandra (Sasha) Trusovas first name not that this matters. BTW I miss Elena Radionova

[@Frooti.loopz23]

I miss her skating too, been binge watching her old programs

[@FalvyPollard]

Hey Guys. What happened to the pairs team Polina Kostiukovich / Dmitrii Ialin? Have not seem them this year

[@rs-oy1jw]

They were struggling with injury as far as I know. There were no speicific reason announced by them but I saw at russian form they weee struggling with their puberty problem. But it seems like they’ve recovered from injury since they appeared at russian competition week ago so i guess we can see them at JWC soon

[@ria3817]

They only marked their jumps at Test Skates (in FS, they did nice 2A in SP) and their coach said Polina struggled with some problems caused by puberty. But however they had problems with triples (I would say both of them...), they got 180+ at their first competition (Cup of Russia) so I feel they just wanted to skip JGP and be ready for Worlds. We'll see at RusNat.

[@Samantha-td2ie]

33:20 nebelhorn

[@Samantha-td2ie]

1:06:00 H/B

[@810290]

Fear-Gibson give me mixed feelings. I like their charisma but there are some issues I can't miss; They skate very separate and he tends to cover her

[@adriannecasale7605]

Maybe Raf's methods need to be adjusted to better suit the skaters instead of using age as an excuse. Why are the Knierims doing that strange pattern into the 3Ts? Age-wise, they're in the middle for pair skating. They aren't Hao Zhang, Hongbo Zhao, John Baldwin, Deanna Stellato, or Aliona, who improved quite a bit in her mid 30s and got a much more consistent 3S. I know Raf thinks everyone who isn't a tween is old, but pairs is different and Alexa is only 28 and the most athletic pair girl on the ice. And Chris started so late he doesn't have the extra pounding on his body. They have both improved a lot in their later 20s and shouldn't see age as a barrier. Skaters of any age would have trouble adjusting to drastic technical changes. I hope they settle on a technique that works best for them.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I don't think they are equivalent?? Raf has a very severe technique that is very different-- it is more than just pattern. It would be difficult to adjust after learning a more traditional North American method for many years. It isn't good or bad...just different.

[@jcaslove1]

I was hoping you would touch on that technique in this episode. It looks overly complicated. I figure the less complicated the technique, the better. Just do a simple mohawk and eliminate the excess body movement on the entry that can throw you off. But Rafael has his own ideas.

[@leshiabaker8798]

I enjoy the show but the ad placement is really jarring. You are cut off mid sentence most of the time.

[@UshastayaMrs]

Oh, where is your good fairy with her subtitles?

[@sschimel]

Leave Bychenko alone! Oh, Israel, my Israel, my new home!

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

when Is Gracie competing, I want to go

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Lisa Critzer this weekend. Call Ice Works. I don’t know the schedule for senior ladies at Regionala

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

thanks!

[@o4ka47]

Does people have a problem with the finger guns in the Canadanes' RD? Really?

[@laudese]

I don't have a problem with it. They did it better at Lombardia. At Nebelhorn they were behind on their music so they didn't hit the finger guns and hands up gestures exactly when they should have to be musically effective.

[@kennydreadfuls861]

KMT and MM Free is the tits. I love it. I’m here for it. Dave’s right.

[@barbismithfarmer1656]

What about Narumi Takahashi?

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

Jean luc should skate with Satoko KMT likes awful covers Julie Marcotte is a good choreographer but... the music. Igor needs to let Pasquale creatively direct Anthony and Christina because he’s fantastic Mariah, unless Lori helps you cover already immaculately used music, don’t. Raf’s severe jump technique is tough to disguise in choreography

[@davidandrusia137]

Hive mind...or Mr. Lease...where are you all watching these senior B's? Are they broadcast in the US? If not, where are you seeing them? Thanks for clueing me in!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

The videos are almost always posted on KZbin. I do a search.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I usually search by the skater's name and then filter by the latest upload.

[@davidandrusia137]

@@TheSkatingLesson Wow! Thank you, sir. Who knew?

[@davidandrusia137]

@@TheSkatingLesson I will retreat to my abacus now...😂

[@o4ka47]

What happened with Alena Kanysheva? Is she injured?

[@rs-oy1jw]

Evan Perilstein Well im not that eteri stan but this is fake. Last year when Kostornaia got injured she got direct order from doctor to not skate until further notice and Danill interviewed she’s constantly trying to try jumping whenever coaches and mother are not watching her so they(coaching team and mother) had to stop her in urge. Plus about Kanysheva, her health problem actually started back then when she was competing at russian junior nationals last year when she was with Panova. They gave full break when Anna Shcher broke her legs and her mother reported that when her legs healed and Anna came back to ice rink coaches didnt rush to make her triple back. They instructed Anna to start her jumps only at off-ice about three weeks and when they felt she was okay to coming back to ice they instructed her to only stroke on the ice about a week and when it it looked fine they ordered her to only do single jump. So the process began all from there, Single jump to doubles, doubles to triples so that she doenst get further injury

[@rs-oy1jw]

Evan Perilstein they Kept Kostornaya off the ice for one month for sure. She was apart from ice since two weeks before JWC 2018(February) until April. And she came back to ice when doctor gave her permission to go back but no jumps. end of the discussion.

[@rs-oy1jw]

Evan Perilstein You see.. Her injury was “not about muscle damage”! it was only because her foot was scratched from her boots so they had to wait until her scrape(or scar?) to recover. that was the the reason doctor prohibited her from wearing her boots about one months. And the reason why doctor prohibited to jump when she came back to ice rink was she didnt exercised for long time so she has to slow down a bit. To start one by one. Alena came back to ice rink to feel the movement after her scar on her foot just like when Anna came back from her broken leg and only did stroking session for about some weeks. It’s called process. I tell you this only to refute you arguing Eteri team give a shit about skater’s recovery :)

[@rs-oy1jw]

Evan Perilstein I saw that interview and she clearly said shd didnt report her injury to Eteri tut. And I am only clarifying Eteri is taking good care of Anna Alena and Sasha. As you well know 3 young girls are Eteri’s hope so she will worry about girls even more than we do. So dont be too dramatic. Lets not go there to Zhenya thing.

[@agnes2616]

Dave - I experience you to cynical in your comments. Sorry

[@TheSkatingLesson]

I am who I am. I’m sorry.

[@heartofoshun2]

@@TheSkatingLesson Gotta take the bitter with the sweet! Commentary for the big kids.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

58:30 that Greese music edit just isn't doing it for me. It's a cracking programme, but it's gone to the point where it's too much.

[@peterdavies2287]

Madonna was totally out of tune at Eurovision

[@o4ka47]

Why doesn't Jonathan like KMT's programmes? They are lovely.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Not his taste.

[@Qacc6]

Daisuke is just too short and wrongly proportioned to be an Ice Dancer. And BTW Jonathan, Lincoln Center isn't usually the contemporary dance venue. That would be The Joyce.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Qacc6 I love when people whip out the pretentious card. It makes me smile. I agree about Daisuke, but it will be interesting to watch this stunt.

[@scavo2003]

P/C FD has some nice moments but I don't see that many innovative moves? The footwork sequence is uninteresting

[@TheSkatingLesson]

It is filled with innovative moves and shapes. Not sure what you would consider innovative...

[@scavo2003]

@@TheSkatingLesson New and original. There were some standouts like the choreographic step sequence the stationary lift entrance and lift, the slide move where their hands touch the ice. The other step sequences are sort of by the numbers, the first one in particular.