This and That: Vegas Invitational & Cup of Russia (Nathan Chen, Alysa Liu, Veronika Zhilina)

[@Quintupletwist]

I feel so so so so so bad for Alysa Liu. The poor girl. And of course this is not aimed at you guys, or at any one person/group in particular, but at how this whole thing has come crashing down as a result of so much mismanagement and unnecessary hyping of a young child. Alysa is extremely talented and hardworking. She sat in the k&c after that performance and didn't shed a single tear - she smiled through it all and hid her tears. It is impossible to reach her level of sport without an incredible character. Do you remember when you were a teenager, having a rough time at school, crying for some reason, being really stressed by your parents, the changes happening to you, insecure about your body, schoolwork, college, jobs, all the things around you. Also this little thing called puberty that everyone goes through. You know, when you feel as if everything is normal and then one day you wake up, taller, heavier, looking different, completely off your game, having to adjust, but sometimes not having time before it hits again. It's a hard period in someone's life. Now add a professional sport to that. Add an extremely involved parent. Add TV cameras and media pressure onto that. Add a future career and Olympic prospects. And who knows what else is piling on top of her in the middle of a pandemic. She's not in the best shape. She's not competing at the top level. Ok, and how does that hurt you? Why is it any of your business to comment on her body, her appearance, her personal life, or to make rude comments about her jumping and skating. Are you the one giving her a paycheck? We're not helping anything by making public comments about someone's personal issues. Her technique is gone, that is true and it is necessary not to be fake about it. If she wanted to walk out of the rink and work as a flight attendant or something right this moment, then why does it concern you? She's a human, she has eyes, ears, feelings. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say thing at all. Let her live.

[@Quintupletwist]

Once again, this was just my little rant. Feel free to respectfully disagree. And remember that this is not aimed at anyone in particular, but the culture that chews up and spits out young girls like they are pieces of sugar-free gum.

[@TheSaintbx]

I feel for her too. It’s not fair the expectations people and USFS put on her. I just hope and pray they are not basing her worth on her skating. She has so much to offer.

[@ladida9084]

Can i copy this and paste it on other social media?

[@lanaefremova3443]

There's one reason for this - she's a public figure

[@rop888]

I feel bad for her too, but there's a reason a lot of us were saying she should not have ever been national champion, let alone 2x national champion. I'm not saying "told you so", but more it's time to face reality. Fact is her career and placement at competitions isn't something that happens in a vacuum, other skaters are affected by it so of course people are going to comment. It's not her fault, but it still happened. Let's be real, Amber Glenn should have been there instead of her but everyone is supposed to pretend Alysa's just having an off day and not just that she lost all her jumps.

[@troyroepke6071]

While not a fan of her skating, I kinda feel for Alysa. She's just a kid who's being exploited by all the adults in her life and the system.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Troy Roepke 💯

[@L.Spencer]

At least she looks like she enjoys skating.

[@flying372]

Dad had ambitions

[@mai3334]

Yes, but two national titles is something to be really proud of. I’d like for people to start realizing the Olympic gold is all about who peaks at the right time.

[@SilenceHurtsMore]

Judges should have flagged her jumps, but they closed their eyes and in the long run she is paying the price now. She was not forced to improve her technique, now it is too late.

[@kirstenneville1934]

THANK YOU Dave and Jonathan for being real about Tara and Johnny. I honestly don’t think I would still have interest in our sport after all these years without you guys. It’s just become so corny. You both make me feel that there’s some real honesty in the fan base. Huge huge thank you

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Kirsten Neville ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@Essylte]

Tara and Johnny suck. We need Dick Button back.

[@kak7440]

Agreed Kirsten!

[@edukid1984]

I don't know how Tara can praise with a straight face Nathan's "becoming a great artist", "stunning textbook quad loop” after a snore fest program with an opening 4Lo that has a looong, ugly backing-out-of-parking-lot posture setup. Seriously.

[@shantarakelian1998]

Timestamps! Introduction: 0:00 Alysa Liu 19:36 Dmitri Aliev 1:18:00 The Vegas International was interesting, I do not have much to say bc I did not see much of it anyway. I thought Bradie Tennell’s looked very good same with Mariah Bell, Audrey Shin. Alysa Liu, her skating skills has IMMENSELY improved since nationals. The jumps were hit or miss but that’s ok she has time to refine them. Starr Andrews, very nice to see her here. Quad loop from both Krasnozhon and Chen! Nathan Chen looked really solid. Everyone else was fine but did not score near him. I personally do not like Tara and Johnny. This was an interesting event. New update on Rostelecom cup! Medvedeva has withdrawn! Elizaveta Nugumanova is her replacement. Eva Lotta Kiibus-really good start to her season winning CS Nebelhorn and silver behind Loena Hendrickx at the CS Budapest trophy Armenian Skater plug: Anastasia Galustsyan, wonderful skater, underscored most of the time in my opinion, can’t wait to see her skate soon Something very random, but I noticed that Mao Asada used the same dress in her FS at the 2010 Japan Open (Rachmaninoff Prelude in C# minor) and 2013 GPF FS (Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2).

[@shantarakelian1998]

Sorry if it’s taking a long time everyone!

[@juanantoniomoreno3409]

Thank you!

[@shantarakelian1998]

@S K I will when I get a chance to do it

[@neilcushley4935]

I think Tamara's couples have the edge because when I trained with her in Leningrad in the 80's we trained 2 sessions a day and both sessions were preceded with an hour ballet class taken by an ex Bolshoi ballet master and 1 hour of off ice lifting, jumping and choreography. Tamara is the most supportive, inspiring and passionate coach I have ever worked with or seen! Love her! Russia keep her safe!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Neil Cushley ❤️❤️

[@jmonz2625]

Everyone that kept their expectations realistic knew that that Liu’s jump technique wasn’t gonna sustain past a growth spurt. The fact that she doesn’t have an experienced technical coach while all this is going on kind of seems like self sabotage by her team honestly. I would’ve called RAF, Alex O. or heck even Tom Z about 6 months ago to start the rebuilding “early”

[@strawberrylime33]

Wait, she doesn't have a technical coach with her??

[@danieeccc]

Nefretiri T no i dont think so :/

[@tiasephora]

I was hoping she’d go to Raf when I heard she was leaving Laura. Scali isn’t cutting it obviously.

[@karlsamohin3282]

Oh, so true!

[@Quintupletwist]

Yes. This was difficult enough, she needs an experienced coach with her. Even her triples look to be seriously struggling, and although it doesn't look great, I hope that she can get through this.

[@rop888]

Alysa seems like a sweet kid, but the media/Tara/Johnny should stop pretending like nothing is wrong. Especially when they pretended she was about to do a 3A when they know it's not possible. It also seemed a bit unfair to the team. Their big point maker was supposed to be Alysa with her 3A and 4lz when everyone there knew she can't land them anymore. Also agree she should withdraw from nationals. Maybe she can magically get all her jumps back before next year, but right now she'd be lucky to be in the top 6

[@amandamcelroy7244]

Totally agree with your comments above. Tara and Johnny aren't doing her (or the audience) any favors by praising her every move. Also, Alyssa lacks the artistic depth to carry her long program. Let's hope she skips Nationals to work on her skating skills.

[@swimbod21]

Withdraw from nationals? Lol! Just because she is struggling that doesn't mean she should stop. She's just 15 and there is always a way to get back up.

[@mitzisarahitorres]

It is precisely because she is only 15 that it is wise to withdraw. She has a long way to go, and she will face intense scrutiny, probably too much for a 15 yr old, after she has been propped up for months as the "US response to Russia" (per Johnny). Everyone knew there waw zero chance of a 3A this weekend, yet the commentators were making it seem like "here it comes". The USFS and probably her dad's politics up to this point are setting her up to fail.

[@rop888]

@@swimbod21 If she places outside the top 5 (which is very likely at this rate) it's going to stick in the judge's minds and she'll be over. Not going to get all those nice little PCS bonuses anymore. At least if she withdrawals she has the excuse of not really losing, she wasn't there to defend her title. She's a 2x national champ who can't do triples. She should withdrawal or face some harsh critic by casuals who only pay attention to big events. Dave isn't wrong that everything about her career does not have to be about 2022. She's very young. She can get back her jumps and work towards the future. Nobody is saying stop forever. Just don't embarrass herself when she doesn't need to. Work hard, come back next year.

[@trylogic4084]

I'm guessing that this show had been scheduled for a while and they probably had the two teams already picked out to be fairly close to each other point wise. I can't imagine, though, that it was so long ago that they didn't have a chance to see Alysa in Japan, for instance, and say oh dear, she can't anchor this team. The commentators always watch the skaters practice, so they knew what to expect. I think Tara and Johnny were just between a rock and a hard place wondering what to do and what to say about Alysa. They had to wing it, because you can't say, "she's going to do a single axel now". It was either politics or scheduling issues, or maybe just someone not having the heart to drop Alysa from the project.

[@mmg1800]

Finally noticing Mishina/Galliamov. It's refreshing that here he's the one with the skating skills and personality, I like Galliamov a lot

[@annwhite1]

I am a huge fun of them. Mishina. Is fearless and strong. And Galliamov’s posture and straight back are hands down the best. My favourite couple 😍.

[@cassisanne2445]

Yes I like him a lot too. She's quite good too but it's him I'm looking at when they're skating.

[@benbailey159bb]

I loved them from last season. Plus I think he's hot lol

[@mmg1800]

@@cassisanne2445 their transitions need to be smoother but they definitely have potential

[@mmg1800]

@@benbailey159bb lol yes, he's very cute

[@Clara-yn4jb]

I think they can make Zhilina look good if they try hard enough and use her flexibility. Her Hallelujah program from Ice Age got millions of views, and I think if they go that direction they good get something decent. Akatieva has much better skating skills though, I think she's great.

[@Isabel-wg4cg]

I think Zhilina has better skating skills, but she doesn’t use them as well if you know what I mean

[@Helen-me1vn]

Yes! And Akatieva looks like she's much more musical as well. Zhilina's tech is super impressive, though

[@karlsamohin3282]

Zhilina makes everything really fast, and doesn't hold lines as much, I think Akatieva and Zhilina will battle that out (but Zhilina is still on recovery from Covid at the moment)

[@Isabel-wg4cg]

I think Zhilina will end up being better in the long run

[@karlsamohin3282]

@@Isabel-wg4cg yeah, probably

[@gabriela2377]

Take it from someone who grew 8 inches in 10th grade... Alysa Liu's best chances of getting back are taking some time off and starting back again from scratch

[@Victrola66]

I fear that Tarasova and Morozov have broken down completely after the disaster at OG2018. There is just no love here anymore, as David said well - they look like they hate each other and skating. Tarasova is still trying, looks more mentally strong. Vladimir is just a robot. Mishina and Galiamov surprised me very pleasantly. They looked strong, very much into everything they did. Boikova and Kozlovsky ended up third but I really do fault it on the death of Igor and Dima having corona and jus basically recovered and trained not for so long before the event.

[@Amy-bl8sp]

Vladimir had covid too, he usually looks beat after an LP, but this time I thought he was gonna need oxygen. Galliamov tested positive around the same time as Kozlovsky but apparently he was totally asymptomatic. M/G missed time like all the other pairs due to self-isolation protocols, but they were the only ones of the top 3 that weren't dealing with coming back from the illness. T/M were a couple for several years and broke up in late 2017. Trankov has even said that they're basically like a divorced couple. They know they are matched very well and trying to hold on until 2022. Someone should have found them a couples counselor after Pyeonchang. Pairs at Russian Nationals is gonna be LIT! As long as the covid doesn't start spreading through the girls like it did the guys...

[@Victrola66]

@@Amy-bl8sp Yep, looking very much forward to the nationals!

[@karlsamohin3282]

Oh, yeah, Vladimir looked DESTROYED after that Free Skate, hope he recovers soon!

[@bring_back_figures5176]

It's 3 am here and I should really be writing this essay for school. But who can wait for This and That?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@Amy-bl8sp]

Tamara Moskvina was definitely in Kazan when Igor passed away. He died on 11/10, which was the day of the senior pairs SP.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Amy it is so sad.

[@shantarakelian1998]

I am doing time stamps tomorrow, so sorry for that. Thanks for posting. Sorry, rough week yet again.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Hope you have a better week this week!

[@shantarakelian1998]

@@TheSkatingLesson thank you!

[@shantarakelian1998]

I’m stressing myself so much with classes and music. It’s not healthy at all. I am almost done

[@EnzoFoove]

It's not your responsibility! Take care of yourself first and foremost

[@shantarakelian1998]

@@EnzoFoove thanks for the kind words. I’m a musician so it’s very hard for us now during the pandemic

[@shelleyc853]

I'm so mad about what has happened to Alyssa. I know they're good at keeping her off social media, but no 15 year old should have strangers on the internet telling her she's overweight(not you guys)

[@Helen-me1vn]

Zhilina is definitely more athletic like Trusova. But Akatieva is a much better artist and has good skating skills, but she also has a huge 3A and pretty big 4T. It depends - if Zhilina goes to land 5 quads like Sasha is trying to do then there's no beating her. But Akatieva will probably be a much higher PCS skater.

[@kthy31]

Also both of them are going to grow tremendously so who knows what jumps they will have when they debut as seniors

[@Constantin9va]

Zhilina is gonna grow too much, you can tell by the size of her very pretty head.

[@Helen-me1vn]

@@kthy31 You can say this about any junior. But even without growth spurts, there are many other things that are unpredictable like injuries, etc. so there's no way to predict anything and we can only talk about the present.

[@delilahtopic8012]

Akatieva is a breath of fresh air! Amazing technical prowess, and a lovely quality on the ice. I wish she was Oly eligible - i honestly think she could win the whole thing. She is my favorite of all the current female skaters.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

Alyssa could just say she has injuries from practicing quads...it was very difficult to watch, really should have Amber Glenn at the event instead.

[@Constantin9va]

YES! More Amber Glenn!

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

​@sofia s if Tara and Johnny are addressing puberty as a real thing then I'd say sure get all the experience...

[@virginiana3783]

@sofia s : I gotta say, if Alyssa had to completely blow a competition, she picked the right one. NOBODY's going to remember this mess in two months, much less next year. It really doesn't count in any sense of the word except financially.

[@72586jejones]

@sofia s not a good idea. You do t want the judges to have a perception of you. I a sport where judging is subjective, a very poor performance will be remembered and will be VERY hard to rebound from a year out from the Olympics.

[@skaterboy-cz9wj]

I wonder how Gracievfitsvin

[@lisamaureen5185]

I could see Alysa with Orser/Tracy Wilson. Tracy would be a positive, mother type of figure. Orser, could hopefully get rid of that awful wrap on doubles and get her technique changed, up her fitness level, get her triples... quads... you never know. She would be out of the US. I hope for the best for her.

[@tiasephora]

I agree, I think Alysa should not skate at nationals this year. She’s obviously not at the top of her game and won’t be by January. Wether or not she can return to what she had or better no one can say for sure, but what we can say is if she skates at nationals and it goes horribly like her last couple of skates have, it will not be good for her mentally. No reason to put out skates that aren’t going to go well. No one wants to see it and she definitely doesn’t need to go through that.

[@Blosmbubbs]

She has not had the ice time like we used to here in the Bay Area. Plus she’s grown and that messes with your jumps etc.

[@nenavujicin7882]

i believe that she will restore all her jumps. She has a strong body and legs ( almost the same body construction as Liza Tuktik), but the covid break made her out of shape.

[@tiasephora]

@@nenavujicin7882 I definitely hope she will! However I will say Tuktik has never been as heavy as Alysa is now. Alysa currently is reminding me of what happened to Caroline Zhang. I definitely think Alysa has the potential to regain her form and complete a successful Olympics like she’s always planned, but it’s going to take a lot of work and we won’t know for sure until it happens or not.

[@kevinhsu8184]

@@Blosmbubbs I remember reading somewhere/ or maybe it was Dave mentioned that she had been on the east coast and had plenty of ice time.

[@nenavujicin7882]

@@tiasephora , but Tuktik, after a short time of crisis, restored all her jumps including beautiful 3 A, and even added 4 T. I believe that Alysa will do the same- she's a fighter.

[@Julia-js7bs]

Oh hell no, as a German I don't know a single one of us who loves David Hasslehoff. We literally only know him bc Americans think we love him so much. This slander has to stop right now lmfao!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Julia 🤣🤣

[@DSQueenie]

They why are so many people at his concerts? lol

[@naomiberry7901]

I think Elisaveta Osokina is so refreshing to watch b/c she isn't choreographed down to the tips of her fingers. We are so used to seeing eteri's girls who come looking like they are 5 years older than they really are and polished down to the tips of their toes, even as juniors. Here comes osokina who is bouncing, literally bouncing after finishing her triple lutz in the sp and she's loose and she even looks more naturally musical than some of the eteri girls. Of course this won't win her the points... the paradox of figure skating today.

[@helenaprout1061]

I adore her, shes such a star!!

[@andreagoldstein4070]

I like Osokina, she has her own skating style and her red hair is striking.

[@OGGuy-xb1yk]

I wish Tanith and Canadian like Patrick Chan or Kurt Browning would commentate. I know no one who likes Johnny or Tara. I really miss CBC figure skating coverage :(

[@annika6935]

Tanith commentating on ice dance is honestly very enjoyable for me and I would lover her in other events

[@bordeauxhouse]

I like Johnny but not Tara

[@bubblewrapper188]

I was surprised to really like Tanith and Charlie. Kurt annoys me at times when he tries to be too clever or witty or over-the-top.

[@Person-mh6xq]

@@bubblewrapper188 Totally agree about Kurt!

[@virginiana3783]

I agree that the team format was cringe-worthy (embarrassing, even), but it was nice to see these skaters get a chance to perform again. Given that we won't get to see them in a second GP, the GP Final (probably) or 4CC, that means these athletes lose out on several opportunities to earn the prize money they depend upon to fund their training. The prize money offered (about $8000 apiece with $50K divided among six) will help a bit -- at least for the winning side! I hope every skater's agent negotiated a decent appearance fee! We saw free programs only, I noticed, not short programs -- so it was only half a competition. And only singles skaters were invited; clearly USFS doesn't care about the toll the pandemic is taking on our pairs and dancers! But we're all so starved for skating we watched it anyway, didn't we? Warts (and tacky sequined masks) and all.

[@daydreameraesthetic7639]

Ok, this literally has nothing to do with any of the topics discussed, but I just gotta ask: has anyone ever skated to parts 1 or 2 of Exogenesis? All I ever see is people skating to part 3. Just curious.

[@davidz9601]

Not that I know of. I think part1 of Exogenesis, although a magnificent piece, is way too intense for a figure skating program.

[@etherealtb6021]

Nope. They all copy each other, copying Jeremy Abbott (who originally found the piece).

[@roddo1955]

Impossible to choreograph to, imho

[@daydreameraesthetic7639]

@@davidz9601 Maybe. But I still kinda want to see someone skate to it. Maybe for an exhibition or a show.

[@etherealtb6021]

@@daydreameraesthetic7639 why not a regular program? Just AA goid as #3.

[@Amy-bl8sp]

There was a report that Zhuk & Svinin had covid so all of their skaters had to self-isolate. Then Irina Zhuk said that pretty much all of their skaters had gotten infected. Stepanova/Bukin were both still sick and had to withdraw from their Cup events and Rostelecom.

[@Roryhereigo]

Irina Zhik said that they all had already started skating but they aren't in good shape yet

[@Amy-bl8sp]

@@Roryhereigo Me reading the Russian articles wrong is no surprise to me lol, thanks for the correction.

[@susmus5034]

Eva Lotta Kiibus is an Estonian skater who won Nebelhorn and got second place at Budapest Trophy this season.

[@bryand6811]

I really feel for Alyssa, I just can't believe they're still hyping her up despite the glaring unreadiness of her programs/techniques. I get that they need to build up an international competitor but fast tracking her isn't the way to go. She's NOT ready, and we can all see it but USFS's plugging their ears and singing la la la. It's too much pressure to put on one young girl and at some point, something's gotta give. There's too much toxic positivity with Tara and Johnny's commentary with her. They keep acting like everything's OK, but it's not. I hope they don't try to keep trying to resurrect her glory days and give false promises like with Gracie (I love Gracie but let's be honest she's done with elite skating). Honesty (handled with tact), is not cruelty. It's a necessity. Also, I feel like they keep overlooking the other ladies because they're so busy trying to match the Russian girls. Building that level of athleticism and competition takes time and a lot of investment. There's no fast tracking that.

[@bonnie9131]

I saw Alyssa skate the night that Mariah Bell brought down the house at Nationals. Here is my take: Alyssa is a coquette. This is the time for programs of this nature. When they moved her music to compositions requiring more mature interpretation they made her look silly. They wanted to make her look ready for elite skating but it didn't work. Now she is not with the music and she not in sync with her body. When you have a gifted student the onus is on the instructor to open channels of expression and hone the basic skills rigorously at the same time. The adults have cut her journey short because they decided on her destination. This is my gripe with the training of the Russian girls. They look like skinny little jumping beans with big feet and heavy makeup skating unsuitable programs. Protégés hit the wall when they aren't allowed to organically mature. Sometimes adults really don't get the innate esthetic quality of youthful self expression. It is stealing joy to satisfy adult ambitions. How stifling and spiritually abusive is that.

[@ompurnam108]

I think I clicked the refresh button like 20X.. worth every minute!! 📰 💕

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@garysimmons1485]

I like watching Johnny and Tara just to hear Johnny call Terry Gannon, Terrance ! 🤣

[@susanfield3680]

Haha!!

[@BillyWhaler]

Doug Dorsey holds an edge Doug Dorsey looks sexy Doug smash’n that “Like” button Like a stomp’n T-Rexy

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@BillyWhaler]

@@TheSkatingLesson Sir, when you down-score Dorsey you down-score America. When you down-score America you down-score freedom & democracy.

[@mmg1800]

1:18:00 Aliev can't bother to shower or shave, he's an artist. "he's too busy feeling things" LMAO I almost spat my drink

[@TheSkatingLesson]

M MG 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@elizabethm08]

So many thoughts!! First, real question, why on earth would nbc sports post Alysa’s Vegas invitational performance if it was, in their words, so ‘up and down’? If they are trying to promote her, why are they opening her up to more scrutiny? LOVED to see Alex Krasnozhon’s quad loop but more impressed with his interview afterwards and wanting to do it for the team and how he didn’t want to let the team down! Then Nathan doing the quad loop after seeing him do it, I am here for the competitiveness!!! Keep pushing guys! Super impressed with both Tamara pairs, can see them going 1-2 at nationals! She really is a mastermind!

[@etherealtb6021]

Tarasova & Morozov should be skating to the final bit of Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini. Not the famous slow part (18th Variation), as their lack of emotion would ruin it. The finale is so strong & exciting & matches their skating. Go listen to it. We know they look good to Rachmoninov! I know I'm right! Lol.

[@maria375s]

Thank you for this! I look forward to your videos every week!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

You are so welcome!

[@Clara-yn4jb]

You know, I think its good that so many skaters (like Nathan, Alyona) have "meh" programs this season. I mean its not even a real season, wouldn't want to waste programs on it.

[@PeiwenTanbassoon821]

That’s what I think too. This is the perfect season to have bad programs.

[@kthy31]

Meanwhile there is Kamila Valieva who uses the lost season as an early round of practice for her Olympic free skate lol

[@rop888]

Yeah, don't see the point really. It's not a real season. Though justice for Marie France. Rocketman and Land of All were much better and I figure he'll go back to her when he can.

[@rop888]

@@kthy31 I thought Kamila was doing an Alina reject FS, but I guess it could be for the Olympics

[@Roryhereigo]

@@rop888 wow! Never thought of this

[@fatimateresa19]

It's 3 o'clock in UK...I need to be alone in my room 😣 and boom tsl ...thanks I need something to get throw this covid19

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@THATREALBREW]

What's wrong with Veronika's glide and artistry? She seems to have all the makings of the next great skater, but these elements I mentioned are severely lacking from her repertoire. Do you guys agree?

[@ВладимирМ-м8щ]

This is because of Plushenko.

[@THATREALBREW]

@@ВладимирМ-м8щ I dont agree with that because she had these same problems in eteri's camp. Plus, she's working with the same coach as she did with Eteri. It's all so frustrating because I can't help but see a possible olympic champ when Veronika skates, but the consistancy isnt there, she doesn't hold on to her moves long enough, and she's not vibing with the music....Not ever! Is this all about time to grow, or does she just not have it?

[@THATREALBREW]

@S K I hope so too. Excellent feedback, thank you.

[@Helen-me1vn]

@@THATREALBREW She's also 12, most 12 year olds don't even have their triples yet (Alina didn't and she had an amazing career) let alone quads, skating skills, and artistry. She has a lot of time to improve. The comparison to Akatieva isn't really fair because she's the exception (she was skating on the Ice Age show when she was 10 and already had so much musicality and performance ability) but that doesn't mean Veronika won't improve.

[@purrformance]

After watching Veronika Zhilina's Elastic Heart/Chandelier program, she became my Maddie.

[@karlsamohin3282]

Osokinas spins are GREEEEAT!!!! 😍😍😍😍😍 TAT approved!!!

[@kak7440]

I wish Tara and Johnie could be replaced. .l would love Michelle or someone who would give a real critique of the skating they see. An objective discussion would be welcomed. Agree with you both about the choreography in general this season- think the best will be hopefully kept for the Olympics!

[@arthemislejarde4588]

Michelle is a bore.

[@salreal4479]

I love love love love my Michelle Kwan, but she makes me cringe sometimes when she speaks. just sometimes. LOL

[@dinh5532]

I love Michelle over everything else in the world but spoken words is not her forte, it just doesn't come naturally.

[@arthemislejarde4588]

@@dinh5532 I think English is her second language.

[@bubblewrapper188]

Michelle did a bit of commentary many years ago and was not good. I love her, but live skating commentary is not her strength.

[@chocolateperfume752]

I really enjoy alysa's skating, just because she can't do a 3A doesn't mean she's out of the game or give up, like ppl keep saying about her, unless it's her choice and wants to take a break

[@susmus5034]

Are you aware that all she did was two 3Lz at Las Vegas, her other jumps were all doubles? It's not about whether she can land a 3A or not, she lost her triples completely

[@susmus5034]

@S K that one too. It is all very sad . USFS desperately wants a ladies champion because they don't care much about their men's or ID, pairs. They hyped up Alysa so much. I jist hope she stays a happy young teenage girl, no matter what happens from now on.

[@chocolateperfume752]

@@susmus5034 everyone's different and everyone's journey is different. She might get her triples back or not, who knows. I've seen some do it. It sucks how everyone hyped her up and now they're letting her down. I do hope all of this won't affect her mentally too much..like u said let's hope she stays happy and positive

[@yenglor691]

@@chocolateperfume752 Without triple axels or quads, you are just as useless as the rest of the world figure skating ladies. You need those two technical elements to be on the same level as the Russian ladies.

[@chocolateperfume752]

@@yenglor691 U do realize that still only a handful of skaters in the world can do a quad or 3A, and not all russian ladies can do these jumps. Saying everyone else is useless and degrading them is ignorant and stupid, besides most of the Russians have a bad technique and overall basic skating skills "just like everyone else"

[@Gorniachka]

I'm russian. It's so funny how you talk about "Russian Dramma" )))) Some name pronunciations are also))))

[@bubblewrapper188]

Did you say you were in Holmdel? My home town! Fun episode, agree that Alysa needs to not go to Nationals this season. Her crash and burn was entirely predictable and so, so sad. I hope she doesn't get too wrecked psychologically from this. I'm with Dave, I'm team Zhilina as opposed to Akatieva. Johnny was kicked off DWTS tonight, sadly.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Liz Bigger I was earlier today.

[@maria-ceciliapeon5776]

Really? Zhylina doesn't have any interpretation skills, totally lacking any expression. I see Akatieva more of a complete skater

[@virginiana3783]

LIz, if there's one thing in the world that matters LESS than the Las Vegas Invitational, it's Dancing With The Friggin' Stars.

[@iamavermin6344]

I've been watching this channel for some time, and i have a minor input about russian accent. Russians that call your accent "racist" probably want to use word "xenophobic", and while i have no issue with the accent, some might find it offensive for a reason. You see, many american movies, tv shows etc picture us as villains to the point where our accent might seam threatening, and to many russians this fact is pretty upsetting. Also as a russian that have been in english languaged internet for quite a long time, i want to say that sometimes people would attack russians for solely being a russian (including death and rape threats. like wishing a lesbian teenager to be killed since Russia is homophobic place). It's not very common, but it happens. I'm not saying that you cannot use this accent, i just show you where all these people are coming from and all i ask for is understanding, that's all 😔

[@papillon5839]

People these days are offended by everything, aren't they? You're literally looking for something to be offended by 🤦🏽‍♀️ That's why things on this planet are getting worse with each day. Grow some backbone and grow out of that snowflake syndrome already

[@iamavermin6344]

@@papillon5839 some people need to grow backbone, some people need to learn how to read. I am not offended, hello. I directly stated it. I just explained why some people could be offended, that's it. Also saying that that's the reason why "things on this planet are getting worse with each day"... Well. You must have a good life, huh. Good for you, what can I say.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

50:10 They need to do a "Torvill and Dean-esq" inspired version of The Butterfly Lovers taking inspiration from the story that Torvill and Dean injected into Bolero. The story of the Butterfly Lovers is magnificent, if they can capture that essence - it would be amazing. 54:30 If anyone other than Megan wins - there's something wrong. Megan is the Queen.

[@joannm.1756]

What is a Power Pull? At 30:35 into the show, you said Galina wants you to do your lutz from a back Power Pull?

[@arthurtheaardvark13]

I was wondering this too...the only thing I can think of is that entrance where you start with a deep inside edge and then pull onto the outside edge?

[@michaelkolor788]

Karen Chen😍

[@laurielynne2006]

She is delightful! So classy and talented!

[@МаринаРадовелюк]

For me she was along with Shin a highlight of the recent events in US

[@mai3334]

I mean, doesn’t Tara only have one national title compared to Alyssa’s two?

[@DSQueenie]

Yeah but the Olympic gold is top trumps 😉

[@Akuiko]

Jonathan at 58:50 killed me hahahaha

[@lisa-lisa-lisa]

No One: J: I am a star in the antique vase community follow me on Everyone: No we're good

[@etherealtb6021]

Speak for yoursel! What was that IG address again, Jonathan? 😂

[@bonnie9131]

@@etherealtb6021 I am a fan of Jonathan's Belgium antique vases. They in good hands.

[@etherealtb6021]

@@bonnie9131 they are, which is why we'd follow his vase IG!

[@bonnie9131]

@@etherealtb6021 Absolutely, I'm in.

[@tranquilitytranquility1407]

I wish I could have Johnny commentating all the skating for me, especially instead of Yagudin. Although I could never sit through the American network ad content. 😆

[@anaelivillarreal8830]

I have finals but TSL is my cup of tea and distraction... Priviet Dave

[@TheSkatingLesson]

You must study and nail these finals!~!~

[@anaelivillarreal8830]

@@TheSkatingLesson I have all A's in my courses and a 3.8 GPA... So im good Spaisiba Dave

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Anaeli Villarreal I am glad to hear it!!! I don’t want to have poor grades on my conscience!

[@anaelivillarreal8830]

@@TheSkatingLesson I have 2 certifications an Assocaties degree in Visual Arts working on my BA and a minor in Art History... I have an appropriation for the Russian Culture... Based on my reasearch Eteri would work in a rink in San Antonio beofore she move to Russia and San Antonio is not far from where i live thats why i say it would be amazing to have a skating competition in south Texas our arenas are huge and make that sport more popular and covid cases are low

[@camronchapple8053]

Just in time for me to do all of my school work due tonight. It’ll get done tomorrow I guess.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Camron Chapple 🤣

[@giamarren1643]

Do we know if we will be able to watch the whole virtual national qualifier stuff?

[@lexinara-yoshimura7792]

That has all been moved to a digital submission due to Covid concerns so maybe but doubtful

[@giamarren1643]

@@lexinara-yoshimura7792 Yes I know, thats why I'm wondering if they will hopefully put it on fanzone like with the isp

[@lexinara-yoshimura7792]

@@giamarren1643 possibly. I hope so, the average junior/senior skater have been working their Butts off to prepare for this “season”. I hope they get some recognition

[@TheSkatingLesson]

The plan is to be able to view it like ISP.

[@Jontor11]

So, as expected Medvedeva has withdrawn from GP Russia. But that means that FINALLY Elizaveta Nugumanova gets a spot. Watch out for her cool 3lo+3lo combo and her wonderful spins. Her jumps will all probably be underrotated, but who cares, she's a wonderful skater. The Russian Ladies GP will end like this: 1. Shcherbakova 2. Trusova 3 Tuktamysheva 4. Kostornaia 5. Safonova 6. Nugumanova 7. Samodurova 8. Guliakova 9. Ryabova 10. Kiibus 11. Urushadze 12. Galustyan

[@yenglor691]

Tuktamysheva won’t be 3rd. She hardly has any speed or energy nowadays to complete against the youngsters.

[@KoraimaLynn]

@@yenglor691Liza no tiene componentes al.igual que Sasha pero esta ultima meterá 3A, 4 o 5 quads para compensar su carencia

[@ирина-с7д8ш]

@@yenglor691 now after Anna withdraw too she can be 3rd

[@yenglor691]

@@ирина-с7д8ш Yep, she will be 3rd without a double since Anna withdrew.

[@ирина-с7д8ш]

@@yenglor691 so she is first) and all people there were happy for her as I could see ) today I was there too)

[@eiskunstlaufen6129]

“It has not neutralized in Switzerland 🇨🇭 “ 😂

[@tayaleary8879]

Thank you 💝

[@TheSkatingLesson]

You are so welcome

[@julienixon2686]

You guys rock. Another great post. Thank you ❤️

[@CocogoatMain0501]

19:36 alysa liu

[@strawberrylime33]

I'm really curious about Courtney Hick's downfall. Yes, the past 4 or 5 years she has completely bombed at nationals, but in between those nationals she got some good performances in (grand prix, etc). Now she's consistently giving poor performances, how did that happen?

[@andreagoldstein4070]

I'm not sure what happened with her. She can't seem to control her landings or pops jumps. Maybe she will retire.

[@insi4547]

OMG i thought the Zagitova 'Ballet' trauma has been healed by now...yet Dave is still so triggerred lol :* :*

[@roddo1955]

You guys were matching eachother in energy!

[@susanfield3680]

What was Alysa’s music? I was confused by what the vision was. What was she trying to portray?

[@shannalee80]

A little surprised that there wasn’t any discussion (*cough* snark *cough*) about “The Trio” article. Geesh, why was that article even a thing........

[@femaleskater1185]

What article?

[@ladida9084]

Which article?

[@rop888]

@@femaleskater1185 Romain, Mariah and Nathan had an article about their friendship on the US FS fanzone about how Romain and Mariah started dating/how Romain learned English and how they all became friends. Not exactly sure what there is to snark about in it. It's just pointless fluff and probably a little PR for Mariah, which I say good for her.

[@delilahtopic8012]

Time stamps?

[@CP-ww1nj]

NYC Moms love these two men!!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

CP ❤️❤️❤️

[@TheSkatingLesson]

We love you right back!

[@virginiana3783]

Dave, who is judging the Grand Prix events? Is it an international panel of judges, or is it just local judges (Americans at SA, Chinese at CofC, etc.)

[@romantickangaroo]

Mostly locals approved by ISU. Unless they do not have an appropriate expert, then ISU brings somebody from outside.

[@havepeaceonearth]

Dave, were you the host commentator of 4 Continents? Previously? The voice sounded like you...If so it was excellent and informative...even my 85, year old dear friend appreciated it....

[@TheSkatingLesson]

J P I was not and remember that Jonathan hated that guy.

[@havepeaceonearth]

@@TheSkatingLesson oh...well anyhow it was a few years ago... I really enjoy you on the skating lesson...your perspective and all...thanks for keeping up with it.... Btw my friend richard from providence says he wishes tsl was on podcast. I am old school...and happy with it just being a utube video

[@MestallaXI]

can you do timecodes, please?

[@biggestgymfan7230]

I agree I don’t really like Nathan’s programs this season

[@nycgtl88]

Same is all about the jumps and he does have artistry but is almost all programed. I wish he had more unph almost every program feels the same

[@50781975]

@@nycgtl88 Well, it is better than actually doing the same program every year. For years!

[@ladida9084]

He can sell programs when he wants, i think he's just saving himself for next year. he knows without yuzu and shoma he can win with nothing basically

[@havepeaceonearth]

I like Nathan's interpretation of the hispanic music... It's nice to see and here and that it's added to his repatorie of charasmatic short programs....of course Nemesis will always be my favorite...the music and lyrics created by a rea artist named Benjamin Clementine. Caravan was also fun...a genre of music we don't hear much these days.

[@TheSaintbx]

Where can we watch the Vegas Invitational????

[@rop888]

Not sure you can watch it anywhere. It's not on Peacock, which I thought was the point of buying the service but I guess not. It's aired on NBC and doesn't seem to be archived anywhere.

[@TheSaintbx]

@@rop888 that’s what I thought too. It’s not on my peacock channel so I guess I’ll be canceling it.

[@rop888]

@@TheSaintbx I already canceled it, but have it for the Russian GP at the end of the month. Don't care about NHK.

[@karlsamohin3282]

Sometimes I think you don't pay attention to like skaters from smaller countries...

[@ileana823100]

@the skating lesson Any update on your evgenia video? How long it still may take?

[@dinh5532]

I'm so worried about Alyssa, she was our only hope against the russians. Don't even get me started on Mariah.....Like stop trying to make her happen.

[@arthemislejarde4588]

Alyssa has no chance.

[@dinh5532]

@@arthemislejarde4588 I know, it makes me so sad, growing pains. =(

[@laurielynne2006]

I really like Mariah but I hate her ABBA program!!!

[@nycgtl88]

@@laurielynne2006 same is almost like a last minute program, like un yea that’s not even engaging tbh

[@nycgtl88]

Mariah did deserve that medal but usada only cares about international medals. Clearly Liu was hyped and pressured to become the new it girl and sadly is not looking good for her.

[@jasonkanzler1073]

LOL - Jon seemed to take his silly pills for this LOL

[@divinearia1601]

I don't really know how you can NOT like Nathan's Philip Glass program. And saying that Shae-Lynn did not do a good job with the choreo is kind of mind-blowing because, in terms of choreo, it's probably one of Nathan's best free programs. You say you like it less and less each time you see it and that you'll never go back and watch it again, but many others will, and they do. They absolutely loved this program at Worlds. You seem to prefer the generic kind of skating where a skater is out there throwing their hands and arms around, making cringe facial expressions, and trying to be as dramatic as possible...and I guess Philip Glass just isn't dramatic enough? The program may just be way too intellectual and, thus, too unconventional for the two of you. In fact, Nathan, as a skater, may be too unconventional and not traditional enough for you, and maybe that's why you never give him the praises he deserves as a multiple, consecutive world champion. Have you guys ever liked _any_ of Nathan's free programs? Doesn't seem like it. In fact, the case is the same with this Olympic cycle. You're already saying that you don't like his free skate(or what you've seen of it anyway from Champs Camp). Obviously, you have your preferences, personal tastes, and ideas of what artistry is but it's clear they don't really align with those of the fans(those who aren't angry stans of another skater anyway), the judges, the commentating experts, or Nathan's own skating peers.

[@SaloUronili]

Alysa should move to Eteri to get her jumps back

[@meaganbooks179]

really not sure about this plus she has to move to Russia learn Russian plus what the world live now she can't

[@rop888]

I bet if her dad could arrange it he'd love to do it, but I doubt. They barely allowed LilBet to come back and train there. And the Olympics are fast approaching.

[@evamasters5028]

Eteri and other Russian coaches were not all3to train foreign skaters. That is why Tursynbaeva had to leave Russia and work with Orser... in the meantime when she returned to Eteri she had one successful competition (the world championship where she placed 2nd) and then she spent the next season away from thr rink due to severe trauma.... she was the only one who could do quads and challenge the 3As last season. An international skater must be completely out of her mind to go train in Russia, unless she is Russian, speaks the language as native and has no other alternative.

[@SaloUronili]

@@evamasters5028 Eteri speaks English fluently, Rika could challenge 3A's too, top skaters are getting injured left right and center unfortunately. Figure skating is a dangerous sport. I still think Eteri could help Alysa to get in shape in a month or two. Bradie attended Mishin's camp not so long ago, why can't Alysa attend Eteri's camp after pandemic is over?

[@evamasters5028]

Bradie did not attend any training at Mishin and never will. Spreading rumors will not help Eteri get any international skaters, nor it will fool anyone who follows figure skating.

[@timmy_zupanc]

Who's here first??

[@TheSkatingLesson]

[@insi4547]

IF Zhilina REALLY had corona, the whole team of coaches should have been self-isolating all along (hot Sergey, papa Plu etc) but instead they were out everywhere - in trainings (thanks, instagram), public events and competitions.

[@valentinamariamanieri3988]

Maybe they afforded to get tested instead of self-isolating? Not saying it is the way but they can definitely get tested even every day. Although Russia is not handling Covid the best so...

[@insi4547]

@@valentinamariamanieri3988 Of course the contact persons of those infected with COVID can and should get tested...however, even in the case of false result, self-isolation for 14 (?)days is mandatory, because at early stages one might get false negative test...

[@valentinamariamanieri3988]

@@insi4547 in my country the guidelines now say to self isolate for 14 days without testing or 10 days and then test. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt. But considering how they use masks as chin resters I don't know!

[@insi4547]

@@valentinamariamanieri3988 i don't think anyone involved even isolated for 10 days...they all were on the rink. So i REALLY hope that they 'exaggerated' when they said Veronika was COVID positive. Otherwise that is way too irresponsible...

[@valentinamariamanieri3988]

@@insi4547 oh boy. I sincerely hope that she was just sick with a flu that they thought was covid. Otherwise, yikes.

[@Kim-es2oo]

When the Russians use American pop music in programs, as to the appropriateness of the lyrics, I think they get lost in translation.

[@БелоСнежка-ю1н]

Hi, guys. You gonna loose all your Russian audience, if you continue doing your “mocking Russian technic”. Just saying...

[@waynesworld5855]

You know you two are just too much, especially you David saying that every time you see Nathan's (long) program you like it less and less. You NEVER liked it in the first place! As a matter of fact, after the first time you saw it you acted like you hated it, so much so that you had nothing to say about it at all! (but just made weird faces, which were kind of funny lol). As far as his Quad Loop goes, you gave it a lukewarm, "it was good, like he has never stop doing it" response and that was it. If it was anybody else doing a quad loop like that you and Jonathan would have been raving on and on about how great it was. Especially if it was Hanyu, Shoma, or Kolyada, I could just hear Jonathan saying it was the greatest quad loop he has ever seen! So predictable, just stop, be honest, be fair, be unbiased for once! My question, why do you both hate Nathan Chen so much? But it is not just him, you seemly dislike all American figure skaters. What I find most interesting is how you act like you just care about good artistry, but dislike the American woman figure skaters because they can't jump even though they have very good to great artistry. All the while you love the Russian girl skaters who mainly have jumps and little to no artistry (with Kostornaia being the only exception to that). Tell the truth, do you really care that much about the artistry or do you just say that when it suit's your fancy. I think the latter....

[@benbailey159bb]

I don't think they hate Nathan they're just being honest. I really like him - but he is just jumps. His skating skills arn't great, his spins arn't great and other than last year's freeskate his performance isn't great either. I wish he would use his ballet training and do an artistic program for once to shut everone up

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Saying it looks like he never stopped doing it is a huge compliment. You are projecting.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

It isn't the first time we have seen him do a quad loop. We have discussed Nathan having a gorgeous quad loop many times. He didn't perform it for almost 3 years and it literally looks like he never stopped doing it.

[@benbailey159bb]

@@TheSkatingLesson Agreed

[@susmus5034]

@@benbailey159bb He won't do an artistic program because he doesn't need it to win. If he gets sky high scores when he lands his jumps, then why would he feel the need to work more on skating skills, transitions, performance, interpretation, spins, and make better programs? To loose his consistency and loose a lot of points with it? He knows that if he does the jumps he will get all the points so why bother risking things. He goes out, wants to get the job done, win medals, that is all. He will never be remembered as someone who is the complete package, and I also doubt he will ever have a signature program. He simply doesn't care enough.

[@Essylte]

Heh, I didn't bother to watch the Las Vegas Invitational to know that Johnny and Tara would make commentating a travesty. I feel bad for the skaters who had to be on "Team Johnny" and "Team Tara". If anything, the teams should have been named after other famous US skaters like Boitano, Hamilton, Yamaguchi, Kwan, Cohen - even Harding or Kerrigan! Can't say I approve of the USFS hyping Liu. Johnny and Tara need to get out of the commentating business before they embarrass the rest of the country, because they're not helping anyone but themselves. I really think that Audrey Shin has more potential than Alysa Liu in getting to Beijing and going further in her skating career. Tennel, Chen and Shin should go to Beijing (if it still happens). As for the Russian girls trying to do the Yuna-spin...Osokina, honey, really?? If Trusova and Kostornaia can't do it, why should you? Are they trying to insult Kim further? They should be trying the Adelina spin instead, because after all, she's their Olympic champion, not the boring Olympic silver medallist of 2014! Just because they're not as flexible doesn't mean they should try someone else's signature move for points. If they need positive GOE and levels on their spins, they should stick to the ones they know or already have and improve on it. No point in trying to look cool when they look ugly doing it. It's enough that too many Russian girls abuse Boitano's special jump with gangly arms over the head, or spam Rippon jumps like it's nothing when they can't really jump. Giving high GOE just because these skaters happen to hold their arms above their head after every jump is getting ridiculous - Tano and Rippon jumps aren't required elements, are they? If they were, then judges ought to be comparing them to the Boitano and Rippon themselves and taking away points for incorrect arm movements! Thanks for another video! Will look forward to Rostelecom.

[@lockheartsam9538]

Oh lord. What's the reason for hating on Tara and Johnie? So cliche and reactionary.

[@Essylte]

@@lockheartsam9538 They do not provide any real in-depth analysis of figure skating, like Dick Button and Peggy Fleming did before them. Button may have been irritating and even downright rude about some skaters, but he was accurate with every assessment and was able to communicate skating vocabulary to the viewers. He talks about the what, how and why of skating, what a jump what, what skills were important, what a Flying Sit Spin was, etc. I don't hear the same things from Tara and Johnny. Oh sure, they'll talk about the technical scoreboard and say something mundane like how quads are super hard and they accumulate the most points, and if the skater is artistic, they'll point that out as if all viewers are idiots. Worse is that they're not telling the truth about each skater's strengths and weaknesses, even when they see them (i.e. Alysa Liu). I get that they're probably told by their bosses not to for the sake of "NO SCANDALS PLZ!!" (Salt Lake Pairs event, Sochi 2014 ladies' event), but the dishonesty is where they get the most hate from a lot of people, not just me.

[@latetoi]

Hot take: Tarasova and Morozov will win the olympics