This and That: Yuzuru Hanyu 2022 Fantasy on Ice, Ilia Malinin, New Programs & Retirements

This week, Ilia Malinin appeared on the Polina Edmunds podcast and Yuzuru Hanyu poured water on himself at 2022 Fantasy on Ice. Russia announced it will host its own alternative to the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating. Spain finally earned two spots in ice dance at the World Figure Skating Championships, but Olivia Smart and Adrian Diaz announced their split and Sara Hurtado and Kirill Khaliavin announced their retirement from competition. Kazuki Tomono announced new music and Kana Muramoto and Daisuke Takahashi announced they will be competing for another season. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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[@shomaunofan8486]

Timestamps (in progress): 0:22 Jonathan came from a redeye. His performance in SF 2:12 Polina Edmunds interviewing Illia Mallilin - 2:35 how reschedule Junior worlds works out better for him - 3:23 illia motivation - 3:52 Russian honesty - 5:45 quad layout for the new season -7quads! - 7:35 comparing with Nathan. Also into tom Z thinking

[@51gosaku52]

In Japan, figure skating is not popular, but Yuzuru Hanyu's figure skating is popular. It's pretty hard to get a ticket for FaOI, but other ice shows are as easy to get as SOI of USA.

[@donadwaritangkudung9338]

There are many ice shows in Japan. I read that the Olympic medalists performed together. Is it not full seats?

[@51gosaku52]

@@donadwaritangkudung9338 Ice shows other than FaOI are not fully booked. SOI IN JAPAN sold discounted tickets.

[@thunderroar7056]

@@51gosaku52 please stop lying, the video and blog is everywhere, we all know the figure skating is popular in Japan, and every ice show sold well.

[@51gosaku52]

@@thunderroar7056 他の国と比べれば人気があると言えるかもしれませんが、 今年のSOIとDOIは当日券を販売していました。しかもプライスダウンで。 DOIはとても小さな会場にもかかわらず、完売しませんでした。 四日後に開催されるジャパンオープンもプレミア席以外は全て残っています。 日本のメディアは今後のフィギュアスケート人気を懸念しています。 嘘ではありません。

[@thunderroar7056]

@@51gosaku52 repeat, the video is everywhere, we can see it's full of people or not. Stop making rumours, just doesn't work

[@TheFergiepop]

Yuzuru está derritiendo el hielo en Fantasy on Ice con sus presentaciones… Yuzuru is a big and sexy boy

[@TheFergiepop]

Yuzuru Hanyu es el Dios del hielo y lo está demostrando en Fantasy on Ice una vez más.

[@o4ka47]

Am I the only one who is excited for next season. Post-olympic seasons are always unpredictable and I love them.

[@krisfujimoto72]

I am so happy you guys are back.

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️

[@dannyhayes4474]

Honestly my fave moment of this week is Jonathan’s face at 51:55 when he’s told Vanessa & Eric are continuing, just the total switch from 🙂 to 😱 for me

[@catherinesullivan641]

Thanks for keeping discussions alive as it seems skating needs to re-examine itself on many levels in this time of flux!

[@SilenceHurtsMore]

True Yuzuru Hanyu fans also support other skaters achieving great things, because that is what also Yuzu wants, he wants progress in the sport he loves, even if he is not the one doing it. Toxic fans are in every fandom, Yuzu just has more fans than others. Stop using the term fanyu as a derogatory term!

[@Unfiltered494]

I'm sorry, but no. Fanyus are the worst disease FS has seen in years. I have not seen fans of other skaters hate on their competitors the way fanyus do. Nathan practically stopped posting anything non-sponsored on his social media because of the hate he was constantly getting from them. They're doing the same to Shoma and Ilia now. They are the most toxic FS fandom I've ever seen. You can't go to Nathan's YT video and celebrate his greatness without a bunch of them coming at you telling you that he sucks. They worked hard to earn the term being used as derogatory. I fully recognize that there are Yuzuru fans who are not toxic, but I simply don't call them fanyus then.

[@julia0aike]

Fanyus only support yuzuru and if they only focused on him there would be no problem. But they are always harassing and sending hate to other skaters. And it's not a small part of the fandom. Are hypocrites, bitter and delusional

[@ada4524]

@@Unfiltered494 what you said is true but only for the toxic subset of fanyus. Those are toxic people and you can find them in any community, society, country... being a fanyu is not what defines their poor character and behavior. Hanyu has millions of fans and what we see on sns are the most loudest and toxic ... like what... 2000, 3000 of them, right? You certainly don't see hundreds of thousands of such people. I can guarantee you, every popular skater has such "fans", just the number is proportional to the size of their fan base. Btw hanyu has received his fair share of slander too. There was booing, threats, defamations, wishing him injuries, mocking his illnesses, homophobic, racist remarks, bodyshaming... he doesn't have any sns account but it doesn't mean he doesn't have many haters. Btw i proudly call myself a fanyu (in the sense that he's my favorite skater), but i root for other skaters as well and hate "yuzu-only" fans.

[@jtangel98]

Lol you don’t even believe this

[@dianasky8975]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 agitprop of lowest caliber

[@trylogic4084]

I can't picture Kazuki Tomono outscoring Yuzu domestically, even though I think Yuzu is going to be as much of a wildcard as ever. Didn't he skate perfectly in both programs at JapNats last season?

[@flywings111]

He skated flawlessly at 2020 JNats, won by a huge margin and then he won again by a big margin in 2021 too with a perfect SP and a nearly perfect FS (the only mistake was on the 4A). By the way, it's JPN and JNats, not Jap which is a slur that Americans used for the Japanese when they dropped the atomic bomb on them in 1945.

[@sporeKAfan]

The last time Hanyu skated clean in international competition was at GPF 2015. He managed to skate nearly clean at recent Japan Nationals because he only did Japan Nationals and no other competition. He is well-known for not having good stamina to last more than one competition in the whole season and also why he is a very inconsistent skater.

[@emana6824]

the problem is his ankle injury

[@mariagggl1736]

@@sporeKAfan Yuzuru no necesita demostrar nada a nadie a ganado todos los premios mas importantes aun padeciendo asma, a demás es el patinador mas carismático y famoso en el mundo, Yuzuru se puede dar el lujo de hacer lo que quiera en el patinaje y en su vida.

[@sporeKAfan]

@@SS-jx7gw Skating clean means both SP and FP has to be error-free. His SP wasn't.

[@ddjr6673]

So happy to wake up to this and that in UK today - loved San Francisco whenever I have visited ❤️ thank you both very much.

[@naailtariq5930]

I honestly think Men and Women's GP will be just fine. There's enough skaters to at least fill the slots and enough great skaters to win medals with respectable performances. But the real issue will be to some extent dance, but really it's pairs. They didn't even have a full roster at worlds, so I'm wondering what that is going to look like.

[@anthonydolio8118]

Guys: I don't think many of us knew how much we were oppressed by the Russian culture in skating until they were not present. Russia's presence changes the dynamics and tone greatly.

[@queenredspecial]

Yeah, everything is Russia's fault. Good lord.

[@anthonydolio8118]

@@queenredspecial Thank you for your reply, but I don't understand its meaning. Russia does bring a joylessness to the sport. The country's skaters skate as if their lives depend on their winning. They use aggressive nutritional techniques such as limiting food and water to very small amounts. And, they dope. Moreover, their coaches use very harsh, psychological tactics on their students. All of this is substantiated in writing and by interviews with former skaters. So I don't understand how this translates into everything is Russia's fault. Everything is not Russia's fault. But Russia does introduce a certain culture into the sport of skating that I find oppressive and joyless, and which is not there when they are absent. That is all I am saying. You may disagree with me, and that is okay, and it is your choice. We will just have to agree to disagree.

[@queenredspecial]

@@anthonydolio8118 thank you for your very thoughtful response, with which I largely agree. The sport has become joyless, and I lost interest maybe for good after the last Olympics. And the Russians, which were always my favourites due to their passion, artistry, and their country's commitment to athletic excellence, became very boring to me in the women's discipline, because of the lack of flow and artistry. But I blame the sport. The constant rules changes, many of which are instituted to prevent Russians from winning, made the sport hard to understand and not very entertaining, unless one knows everything about it. I do think Tutberidze inflicted a lot of damage on skating and on Russian skating, but I also think the exclusion of Russian athletes, (for political reasons - I'm cool with it for doping reasons,) is the wrong way to go. (I hate it when sport gets politicized.) Russians, whom currently everyone in the West hates for rational and irrational reasons, have been such a huge part of this sport, it's weird to cut them out altogether and be ok with it. My response to your original comment was too quick, and it was a response perhaps to the current anti-Russian mass hysteria we are experiencing (I'm in the US) and I apologize if I missed your point. Thanks again for your response, and I'm glad skating is joyful again. If I recover from the last olympics, I may tune in again.

[@anthonydolio8118]

@@queenredspecial Thank you for your thoughtful reply. And I must admit that I agree with much that you have said, especially about all the constant rule changes. I also have been a fan of Russian in the past.

[@JackAShepherd]

Entirely for the better

[@pwetty4r4]

Camden is an example of a super artistic straight skater who kinda lost his way and is now kinda coming back

[@RedShoes29]

Any program reccs? I'm new to the sport.

[@Jeremy-wp4yh]

The amount of skaters who are retired is scary. There won't be many left to draw in the audience. Not to mention, the new young skaters aren't taught the same skating skills or jumping technique.

[@mr.d4ve]

And that’s the ISU’s fault for not penalizing poor technique sooner. Mao Asada took a whole season off to work on her jumping technique when she was getting edge calls all the time, nowadays skaters with the same mistakes get away with everything. Oh, as long as they’re from Russia!

[@freedomlife3623]

Thank goodness for Japanese skaters and Korean skaters.

[@B___T985]

A lot of people will retire after each Olympic cycle, but there are always new skaters, some of whom will eventually become the new greats.

[@flywings111]

@@mr.d4ve American skaters also get away with everything otherwise I agree with you.

[@Unfiltered494]

@@freedomlife3623 a lot of Japanese and Korean skaters flutz, use full blade on toe jumps and prerotate as well though.

[@trylogic4084]

I don't remember if he's the one who interviewed her, but Phil Hersh posted on Twitter that Mariah said that it's a good time to skate because the Russians aren't competing. Some people were bothered by that for some reason, but she was honest. God forbid. I didn't see her boot laces. I'm always up for seeing her if she's skating decently.

[@kerryperryman3025]

I think the South Korean and Japanese Women will take center stage.

[@Fatima502]

If I were Fear & Gibson & would be training my backside off right now. So many doors have opened up ahead of next year's Europeans.

[@DSQueenie]

I think every British Ice Dance team should be investing everything they have into the next four years. A lot of opportunities are going to open up.

[@colleenshaughnessy7081]

Thank goodness, I've been in withdrawal! So glad to see you back again, guys!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️❤️

[@kittymarch8455]

One thing about Nathan Chen is that he has that gift of land jumps and hitting movements *precisely* on the beat. Looking at that video of him competing as a four year old, he had it even then. Each of those little hops are right on the beat. That counts for a lot in how a performance comes across to an audience. It’s something the haters totally overlook, but it is key to his getting those artistic marks.

[@sallysue8176]

Nathen Chen and Javier are figure skaters I love to watch. Both charismatic and confident

[@RedShoes29]

Baby Nathan and those little hops 😭😭😭😭

[@user-gg9uu9kx9w]

thats not how pcs is scored lmao there are 5 categories and that doesn’t really apply to any of them (perhaps interpretation)

[@flywings111]

@@user-gg9uu9kx9w it's so evident that they have no idea how scoring works in this sport.

[@sporeKAfan]

The haters are jealous becauae Nathan has both artistry and technical perfection. The only skater to won the only standing ovation at 2021 Worlds Championship and 2022 Olympics.

[@alexlascu2136]

Given a few years, I think Lajoy and Lagaha have potential to be really good skaters. They're already very explosive, and given how young they are, they can develop into world champions

[@laurielynne2006]

What about Brandon and Jean Luc pulling out some amazing pairs skills over the past week on IG🤩🤩🤩 I think they have a future 😂

[@debbied2715]

omg those were SO awesome! I couldn't believe they pulled those moves off!

[@dianasky8975]

Did you see Karen and Alysa doing a pairs camel spin? They rocked it

[@xiaolinlin4232]

I enjoy all Hanyu‘s programs for many years. His masterpieces including those not clean inspired me a lot! I really hope that more and more young talented athletes could try it and land it in an international event! Especially Ilia! In that case, the big power, like US, can push ISU give the true bv back to 4A ASAP! It is a respect for a clean sport, all the athletes who really put their efforts.

[@catforwith]

ここは羽生ヘイターが集まるし、司会の2人も羽生ヘイターです。フランスのワールドに羽生選手か出場しなくて本当に清々しく良い大会だったとまで言い切ってます。日本人もここは主にアメリカ人による羽生ヘイターが集まることを知っているので日本人も近づきません。アジアに住むアジア人を見下す白人レイシストが集まります。アジアに住むアジア人はアメリカ人より目立ってはいけないみたいです。恐ろしいですね。しかしアメリカ人の優位性を脅かさないアジア人はほめます。バランスを取るために。私の言葉は酷いですか。いえいえ今まで司会の2人が差別に抵触するような醜い言葉を散々言い放ってきたのて、言っても良いですよね。日本人は大人しい？だから何言っても言い？日本人を見くびるな。

[@bettybleu12]

@@catforwith I wouldn’t say Jonathan and Dave are Asian haters. Maybe less of Hanyu fans but they love Shomo’s skating and some of the Korean skaters, esp Eun Soo and even Marin Hondo.

[@catforwith]

@@bettybleu12 fanyuであることと日本人であることは違います。私は日本人として発言しています。彼らの発言から全くレイシズムがなかったと言いきれますか。誰でもスケーターへの好き嫌いはある。しかし彼らは明らかにその範疇を越えている。なぜならば、羽生が出ていない試合は清々しく良い試合だ発言するのですか。好き嫌いを越えていませんか。

[@flywings111]

It would be outrageous if USA suddenly decided to raise BV of 4A now that there is an American skater who goes for it. It would be clear then that they only lowered the BV of the jump in 2018 because Yuzu said he would like to do it in the future.

[@catforwith]

@@bettybleu12 もし宇野選手がアメリカ人の選手を上回る活躍をしたら、多分羽生選手のようにヘイト活動されますよ。長年フィギュアスケートを見てきたので容易く想像できます。アメリカ人を上回る日本生まれのアジア人は徹底的に潰す、日本人はいつもアメリカの下僕であれ、それがアメリカの本意です。

[@shantarakelian1998]

So glad for This and That!!!!! Best part of the week as always!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️

[@shantarakelian1998]

Thats so funny finally Spain has two ice dance spots but both teams retired. Thats a shame as they were both very good and innovative as well. They will be missed!

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

I feel for Olivia, I don't think she's ready to retire yet.

[@shantarakelian1998]

@@hellsbellsmichelle I don’t think so either. I wonder what she would consider doing. Maybe a new partner? Singles? I mean Spain has had no Ladies Singles skaters since Sonia Lafuente or Marta Garcia. I may have blanked on another name though.

[@hellsbellsmichelle]

@@shantarakelian1998 I think it would have to be a new partner. I'm not sure Olivia would be a willing singles skater having focussed on Dance for 10 years +. I hope the Spanish Federation are giving her support during this difficult time. She is British (birth) but I'm not sure if she would get the same level of support from the British Federation. And I'm not sure there is a British partner who is at her level. The only one really is Lewis Gibson, and he has a great partnership with Lilah Fear. Even Lilah's sister (Sasha) is currently without a partner. Male partners in Ice Dance seems to be a very rare thing at the moment. A little off-topic - but I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Jason Brown in ice dance. I think like Daisuke he could really bring a new spark into the sport.

[@shantarakelian1998]

@@hellsbellsmichelle Jason brown ice dance would be a great addition to his career. He would do really well in it in my opinion. Should he consider it that is.

[@trylogic4084]

@@shantarakelian1998 You can't move from ice dance to singles skating when you're 24 years old and you've been ice dancing for over 10 years. Not possible. I don't know if she has ever been a single skater, even when she was a little kid. She did do single ice dancing for a while (yes, that's actually a thing), but if you don't have the jumps, you're not going to learn them in your twenties.

[@TheDivayenta]

I’m a huge Tales of the City fan! I was like Mary Ann Singleton when I lived up there in the 70’s- living in the Marina- going to the iconic Marina Safeway ! So happy whenever you two come on!

[@bettybleu12]

Wait, is it Sunday again? What a treat for Monday. ;) thanks guys for the next juicy story.

[@flywings111]

Nathan tried the 4A once which was not meant to be published, the footage was blurry and was recorded quite far away which implies it was filmed without Nathan's knowledge. Yuzu practiced the jump and tried it at open practices at competitions, then he went for it twice at the competition in front of thousands of people. It's not even comparible, so it's just really weird to say Dave that they both paved the path for the jump which isn't true.

[@sporeKAfan]

Why are fanyu still not giving due credit? Ilia Malinin had said in an interview with TSL that he studied 4A attempts from Artur, Nathan and Hanyu and combined them into one. Before the cyber-bullying by fanyus, llia has said that Nathan's attempts are the closest since they trained at the same rink. Before llia's attempt, TSL guys and others have also mentioned Nathan's attempt is the closest. A fanyu has commented that llia's technique is different from Hanyu's, so how shameless for fanyu like you trying to claim llia's success. Before llia's attempt, skating forums have mentioned that Hanyu's 4A attempts look more like 3A attempts - he can't get enough height, rotation speed and distance.

[@flywings111]

@@sporeKAfan I am amused that since Ilia posted those 4A attempts the kid has stolen the post-Olympic spotlight from Nathan and these days no one talks about Nathan anymore and talk about Ilia instead as the new quad king. Chenbots are raging and they are trying to prove Nathan 'probably landed the 4A' in practice (a cheated 4A, because he cheats off the entry). Chenbots want Nathan to continue competing because they are not satisfied that they won't see him again and they feel Nathan owe them something. True fans accept that their favourite want to continue studying and move on with their lives.

[@sporeKAfan]

@@flywings111 I am more amused that fanyus are attacking llia ever since he landed 4A and ended the media hype for Hanyu's 4A attempts. What took Hanyu years to master is now easily achieved by a new skater within a short time. Now fanyus like you are trying to claim llia's success by saying Hanyu paved the way with his failed 4A technique which is pathetic. Ilia can be quad god and Nathan is still quad king. No problem at all. Nathan has already enjoyed all the post-Olympics attention though and fans are all happy for him to move on if he wants to. Nobody is trying to prove that Nathan has landed 4A. You can stop lying about his cheated take-off for 4A when he does not even have pre-rotation issue. Both TSL and llia had confirmed that Nathan's 4A attempts are the closest.

[@biscuitcase83]

@@flywings111 Wow. Toxic much?

[@biscuitcase83]

Anyone who pushes the sport deserves credit for it. It was known Nathan was trying it whether the footage was meant to be released or not. They trained at the same rink, he likely SAW Nathan practicing it and was inspired by that and the others attempting it

[@trylogic4084]

I feel bad for Ashley Cain Gribble. Who else could be her partner with her being so tall? I did hear that Tim is moving across the country. I also heard rumors that her marriage may be on the rocks. I loved watching her and Tim skate.

[@strawberrylime33]

I hope the best for Liza nugumanova, who is getting blasted in Russian media for daring to speak badly about her coaches. As mad as I am at the Russian federation, I still feel bad for the youngsters still being called fat.

[@82gioccia]

I don’t recall her called being fat. The main argument was that her urs or falls prevented her from scoring higher. Either you lose weight like Anna, or you get more physically fit like Kaori, none of it was done. Stop blaming others, start with yourself. She shouldn’t have left Mishin in the first place, all after that was a lame attempt to complain. Liza had the guts and patience to wait through puberty and bad seasons, she trusted her coach and her body. Had she not left Mushin, we would have had a totally different narrative. I have no doubt she would have been able to do difficult combos plus would have had a solid triple axel, plus she’s a diva.

[@NG-ue4th]

About the irina viner situation, my guess is that it's a protection of assets thing cause she does not like the kind of woman to willingly go through with something like this when really, so much of her status and clout is derived from her husbands wealth

[@selenity08]

I so appreciate your uploads even during off season. Thank you!🙏

[@grisgris6908]

happy to see you guys!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️❤️

[@rachelheller1396]

Jason still hasn't said that he is retiring yet. I think that he will skate competitively for one more season, in some capacity. I am surprised that both Spanish Ice Dance Teams are retired. Is Tim and Ashley retiring?

[@lollypop2414]

Ashley is not. I'm not sure about Timothy. It appears they aren't skating together anymore. :(

[@rachelheller1396]

I meant to say are Timothy and Ashley retiring? Sorry.

[@trylogic4084]

All I've heard is that Tim and their boyfriend are moving to Chicago, so that sounds to me like he retired. This is a wild guess, but this past Worlds would have been their biggest chance of getting a world medal, and it just didn't happen. I imagine Tim was frustrated. I'm bummed, because I really like them as a team, I like their style. I can't imagine who else she could skate with. I actually think that if they had skated this season, they could have had another good chance to get a medal at Worlds next year. Even if China participates, they're only going to be allowed to send one pair.

[@fotomagrol]

I am still crying about the spanish team...still can not believe it...

[@trylogic4084]

I'm not surprised that Vanessa and Eric are going to skate again this year. I think they thought they would have a ton of show opportunities, and I don't know what they've been offered, but I'll bet it's not much. If they do well in another season then I'm guessing more opportunities are likely. They weren't in Canada's Stars on Ice. The only pair team there was KMT & Marinaro. .

[@AJDH63]

The negative with Vanessa and Eric partnership I’m not surprised they was not on stars on ice. The Russians not being able to be in next season it would make sense for any pairs team to continue.

[@charlotteantonia3906]

Ilia Malinin is an icon! No questions asked. He dosn‘t deserve the hate at all. He is 17!! He is just talented and hard working and I love him! Yuzurus Fans need to stop hating on him!!!

[@alexisscudder3030]

When they talk about Ilia and his fire and his hyperfocus on jumps, it reminds me so much of Sasha from the past few years. If he isn't careful he'll fall into the trap of having a really high technical score while leaving PCS behind. Unfortunately that was Sasha's downfall at Beijing and I hope Ilia doesn't go down the same path.

[@user-gg9uu9kx9w]

sasha got 8s and 9s in pcs when she should have gotten 4s and 5s, it will be the same with ilia

[@flywings111]

Don't worry, USFSA make sure he will get very high PCS no matter what he shows on the ice. If he consistently lands the jumps he will get 92-93 very soon.

[@IsabellaVerandez]

But were PCS really Sasha's downfall at Beijing? Because despite arguably leaving the components portion of skating behind, she was still awarded high component scores this season, regardless of whether she was deserving, which is why I think the way PCS is scored is a mess and is why I can't even directly fault an athlete for leaving it behind when they're being awarded for it, despite not necessarily being deserving, all because of the technical feats they can achieve jump-wise. Sasha had the third highest PCS in the free skate and the fourth highest in the short program at the Olympics (and in the SP, she was just one point shy of Kaori's PCS, who had the third highest mark in the SP, and she was two points shy in PCS of the highest PCS mark which was awarded to Kamila). Based on the way she was being scored in PCS, therefore, the reason she lost is because she fell on her triple axel in the short program, and because Anna got zero calls and crazy high GOE on her jumping passes in the free skate.

[@alexisscudder3030]

@@IsabellaVerandez Perhaps not her only downfall but it certainly contributed to her not getting the ogm. Had she had a higher PCS, maybe it would have been enough to push her past Anna's score considering she only needed a little over 4 points to beat her. Obviously landing the triple axel would have also helped her but having higher PCS in both the short and the free would have basically guaranteed her gold.

[@biscuitcase83]

@@alexisscudder3030 Her downfall was Anna being overscored as usual and the judges conveniently going blind when it comes to Anna's technical errors

[@LaChicaMadrilena]

Are we absolutely certain that Papadakis and Cizeron are retiring? They haven’t made any official announcement yet, have they?

[@trylogic4084]

I've been wondering the same thing. I would say that within a month or so, if nobody has heard from them or seen them training or heard about music that they're going to use, that they're not going to be around next season.

[@Sprinting72]

The thing about Ilia saying with whom he wanted to go to Worlds was even funnier, because what he said was that he really wanted to go to Worlds with Nathan and Vincent, but that it was cool he supposes that Camden went. And like it makes complete sense, of course he would want to go with Nathan and Vincent, but it's amusing that he was so honest about it.

[@jamiejoonks]

I wish I could get through a polina podcast but it’s too much haha thanks for doing the recap of it though!

[@Blosmbubbs]

I loved the Frank Carroll and Christy Ness ones.

[@catherinesullivan641]

I am glad she is doing it and hopefully her interviewing skills will become more insightful over time!

[@clcamden6489]

Oh my God guys I’ve had the worst day ever thank you so much for posting 👏🏻😭💖

[@topicdel]

I hope your day is better tomorrow!

[@clcamden6489]

@@topicdel Thank you so much! 🥹

[@Kareragirl]

It gets better. Treat yourself

[@chartingmaps115]

I may be alone with this but chock/bates alien number is what caught my attention and draw me ice dance for the first time.

[@shewhocreatesherself]

Me too!!!!

[@dkeinow]

Listening to this for the second time. I recall in the 4CC recap that Deeanna and her partner will be against Evelyn & Trent all the time next season. It seems like Canada will give us the excitement in the pairs now that Eric & Vanessa are continuing

[@xiangnibian8473]

China has this Zero-Covid policy. The government already cancelled many international sports events to next June including Skate China Cup this year, and Asian Soccer Cup in June-July 2023 (NEXT YEAR). Especially 10 new stadiums with high quality soccer fields already fully completed. What a waste. I don’t understand the logic behind this close-door direction.

[@trylogic4084]

I think the question is more, are they going to send their athletes out? Maybe they didn't send their skaters to Worlds because of covid.

[@xiangnibian8473]

@@trylogic4084 My puzzle is the exceptionally long time-span of this close-door policy.

[@falconeddie4109]

Glad to hear they raised the minimum age for competing (ladies senior level) from 15 to 17, even tho I think 18 would have been better. Senior ladies should always be comprised of adults, not children.

[@IsabellaVerandez]

I think Alexa and Brandon should continue for at least one more season. The field is completely open now without the Russian pairs and with Sui and Han taking a break and also who knows if Peng and Jin will be skating in the GP circuit, and I think it'll be interesting to see K/F go head to head with Miura/Kihara. US pairs has had such a dearth for years, so for Alexa, this is the opportunity to win some medals on the GP circuit, possibly win a GPF title, look to try and become a two-time World Champion, etc.

[@Cooltiger28]

I have to say. Love to see you both. @Jonthan I fell so sorry for you. I hope you are doing ok

[@Blosmbubbs]

Jonathan, I live in San Jose and during Christmas, Palo Alto has some amazing lights in neighborhoods. The Winter Lodge rink is nice to skate at too during the holidays. First ice rink I stepped foot on.

[@rajs7876]

Missed you guys!!! Yay!!!

[@JoshuaFazeli]

When are assignments getting announced? I need Meagan to break it down and make all the “imma bitch” jokes. Are Korea and Estonia top candidates for the Grand Prix series? I know Finland has Euros (which is correct, Espoo is a fabulous venue) but what is happening?! Kiitos!

[@flywings111]

End of June probably.

[@parkerswife4life0]

I miss ATBT needing this dish please do more!

[@maria375s]

So happy to see the two of you!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️🙏

[@scottstackhouse9976]

Heard that Mariah Bell’s black part to her skates are some plastic strips to stop lace bite. That is what it looked like from the front row on tour too. Must have not had time for new skates between Olympics, Worlds and SOI.

[@alexac3098]

More likely the issue is that boot makers are running severely behind their normal production wait timelines due to supply chain issues and labor shortages. I think we can expect to see more boot issues in the next few months as the problem spreads in the elite ranks.

[@Jude74]

That’s true she’s been having boot problems. Apparently she’s been turning to Nathan for help. Called him the boot doctor. It’s was on her instagram or something.

[@fliccolo]

The black stuff on Mariah's boots are reinforcement for the tongue.

[@shantarakelian1998]

34:12 Jonathan lol 😂 that was clever

[@matthewhines9787]

Thank God. They're okay.

[@MADHAUSMARKALLAN]

Only because I’m a person of color, please remember Nathan Chen comes from an immigrant family of modest means he’s a BIPOC man Who was The youngest of five children and was raised to be very humble and modest. Ilya is the oldest and the child of two Russian figure skater‘s and he’s the oldest of two children and that has a lot to do with his swagger. hopefully he’ll develop some humility, actually I’m sure he will, and also learn how to public speak. But they’re just very different people I must emphasize that being a person of color in a very white sport does play a big role in how one presents oneself and one pushes throughAnd perseveres. Just a perspective please don’t thumbs down me because I’m bringing up the point that is material to my experiences as a competitive skater and a huge fan.

[@trylogic4084]

Thank you for talking about the 4A and the fact that these guys are competitors, and in sports, athletes don't wait around their competitors to do something first. I actually saw a tweet where a Yuzu fan said that if Ilia had any honor, he would wait until Yuzu lands the 4A first. 🤡 I mean...

[@catforwith]

アメリカ人にとって羽生選手は最大の悪なのですか。アメリカ人が正義で羽生選手は敵であり悪ですか。羽生選手がhi,America, I love you!と言ったときのアメリカ人は反応は🤮🤮🤮ばかり。なんですか、これ。羽生は引退しろ、フィギュアから消えろ、なんですか、これ。それでもアメリカ人は正義なのですか。アメリカ人の言うことはアメリカ人だからと言う理由だけで正しいのですか。今日もアメリカではヘイトクライムによるアジア人への暴行事件。さすが世界一の差別大国。

[@flywings111]

Maybe they are a new fan who doesn't know skaters don't wait for someone else to achieve something. Explain to them in a polite way. Don't be rude.

[@catforwith]

@@flywings111 いいえ、長年フィギュアスケートを観戦してきました。フィギュアスケートを通して欧米の歴史や文化、そしてアジア系に対する白人からの差別の歴史も学びました。国籍に関わらず、多くのアジア系スケーターが醜いジャッジングをされてきたことも知りました。この差別が蔓延る中、アジア人とし誇りに思えたことがありました。それは92年アルベールビル五輪でアメリカ代表日系人ヤマグチ選手と日本代表伊藤みどりさんの正々堂々としたお互いを尊重しあった戦いです。アジア人には差別が激しいフィギュアスケートのフィールドで活躍しているお二人の存在が堪らなく誇らしく思いました。残念なことは84年サラエボ五輪のとき、ヴィット選手ではなくアメリカ代表のS選手を応援しました。その選手のパワフルかつ華やかな演技が大好きでした。その五輪の10年後、その選手がSOIで日本で演技すると知り生観戦に行きました。私はその選手に如何に応援していたか手紙を書きました。しかし手紙とプレゼントを手渡しできるチャンスに恵まれ、ドキドキしながら手紙を手渡そうとしたとき、アジア人を見下るような蔑む目で睨みつけながら、受け取ることを拒否し去っていきました。私はその時の汚いものを見るような彼女の眼差しにその場で凍りついてしましました。その夜、悲しさと悔しさで号泣したのを覚えています。

[@catforwith]

@@jtangel98 あなたに質問があります。もしアメリカでfanyuのようなtoxicなファンを持つ選手が登場したらなんといいますか。あなたはいうでしょう。「嫉妬しないで。悔しかったら同じような熱烈なファンをもったら」と。もし羽生選手がアメリカ人ならばあなたは全肯定するでしょう。しかし彼は見下すべき差別するべき日本人だから、彼を侮蔑の言葉で罵る。

[@catforwith]

@@jtangel98 私は決して忘れません。ファンの数ではなくアメリカという世界有数の差別国家が羽生選手を潰しにきたこと。あなたにわかりますか。差別される国に生まれたばかりに被る数々の屈辱的な侮辱的な行為を。あなたも経験してみてください。そうすれば差別されることの痛みがわかります。

[@johnseals1986]

Hope you guys are doing well!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️❤️❤️🙏

[@kylief515]

I love this

[@lisamaureen5185]

Zach & Olivia??? Just a thought....

[@lanellcrowell5684]

Russia does not play by the rules. If they can find a way to cheat, they will. In the Olympic team competitions the winners have not received their medals because of Russian drugs. Gold or silver the US team did not get to stand together on the podium and get their medal at the Olympics. As for Illia Malinin, I wish he was not so cocky. He needs to remember pride comes before the fall. I appreciated Chen's humility.

[@jjsmith4829]

swagger? hes annoying af russian. he whined he didnt go to beijing but at the subsequent worlds he flopped. if he is anything close to nathan, malinin has to win the next three worlds and olympics to even come close to chen. he will not do it.

[@y.h.b.4379]

He is still so young. Let's just give the kid some time to mature and develop.

[@user-jy8zb2wc8l]

If someone finds the Instagram video of Eteri that Dave and Jonathan are referencing, can they pretty please link here? I tried to look on Instagram but clearly my search and/or scan skills are not up to scratch...

[@norcaliboy99]

Dave! Where did you get that polo? I’m living for it!

[@flywings111]

If you read the lyrics of the song Yuzu skated to, you will understand why he poured a cup of water on his face.

[@JM-ds8mb]

Exactly but using Yuzu photo for clicks. And it is really sexy how they can't see that!

[@flywings111]

@@JM-ds8mb If they were smart they'd talk about Yuzu nicely so that would give them a lot more clicks but they are doing the opposite.

[@pureyuzu1207]

I suppose they know Yuzu pretty well, but apparently they missed the point that Yuzu always attends to details and he will not pour the water out of no reason.

[@rebekahquinley8093]

So while the Russians are banned from O’Sullivan events are they still being drug tested regularly? I suspect the answer is no. I’m assuming they are using thAt drs best stuff and that there will be an abundance of quads during this alternative Grand Prix.

[@johnnyhale8213]

don’t be absurd, doping is not only Russian problem, also you should not put every Russian in the same boat

[@RedShoes29]

@@johnnyhale8213 Individual athletes dope in a lot of other countries, yes this is true. But I've personally never heard of a statewide doping program the way Russians do it.

[@troyaturner1979]

@@johnnyhale8213 But their doping past doesn't help their cause either

[@Tenorboy29307]

Did you guys hear Kostornaia sing…?

[@demodexo6742]

Will Gabrielle daleman retire. Her results this season were underwhelming.

[@biscuitcase83]

The last 4 years have been a disaster for her tbh

[@demodexo6742]

Will ever team Event from Olympics be solved? It was obvious Kamila used doping substances. We need to upgrade some countries.

[@RedShoes29]

There's also a war going on, I'm guessing that complicates matters

[@yohanes2034]

Tbh ROC even were allowed to compete in team event is a farce. You could argue the sin of the state doping should not punish the supposedly clean athletes competing. But they were competing as a team under ROC flag was just weird. The punishment was simply not hard enough

[@82gioccia]

The issue remains a mystery, how come European results came back clean long ago, and Russian Nationals a month prior right after the Team event???

[@julia0aike]

August 8 is the deadline to complete the case and the verdict.

[@poyopoyo3128]

30:23 Kazuki Tomono😍😍😍

[@elizabethreads0312]

I would love to see Alexa and Brandon skate to Robert Schumann's Introduction and Concert Allegro, Op. 134.

[@arlettetrinidad5156]

Hello, guys. ❤

[@TheSkatingLesson]

👋

[@adamG2001]

Has Ashley and Timmothy split?

[@matthewhines9787]

10 to 1 says Beyer has stayed at The Willows Inn at least once.

[@maryloureiff6489]

Did you see Kazuki's StSeq for his jazzy sp? Regarding his FS..Misha implied..Kazuki was the conductor..

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Will watch on repeat.

[@casandraleff4462]

Tennis and Russia are a mess right now. For the most part, Russians and Belarussians are allowed to compete, but only as individuals (no team competitions allowed) - just not under the flags of their countries. They aren't allowed to compete in England, including at Wimbledon, and the professional tennis organizations have responded by not awarding ranking points for Wimbledon. (But they will for smaller events in that country.) Interestingly, as a result of all this, a Russian player is expected to take over the top ranking in men's tennis after Wimbledon.

[@82gioccia]

Do you have a problem with that? Is he doping? Is he cheating? Is he sponsoring the war? What does nationality have to do with sports achievement? While you can argue that fs judges are biased, tennis is a fair sport.

[@casandraleff4462]

​@@82gioccia Daniil Medvedev's ascendency to No. 1 is what I said it is - an interesting result of the mess in tennis. Just to be clear, though, no particular player is to blame for that mess - it is about the many groups that govern that sport and their inability to respond to the war in any united way. Imagine if each discipline in figure skating was governed by its own organization, with a separate group in charge of juniors and yet another in charge of each of the Grand Prix events, each free to make their own decisions about what they want to happen regarding their little section of the sport. For anyone unfamiliar with tennis, that's what they have, and those groups don't always work together. As a result, tennis has players competing without their flags being displayed at Roland Garros, but they won't be allowed to play at all in any of the tournaments coming up in England . . . but only one of those tournaments, the biggest one, has been punished by being stripped of ranking points. Yet if the Lawn Tennis Association's goal was not to highlight Russian/Belarussian players, that goal will fail the day after the tournament ends because the players' associations don't want individual players punished. We're just not seeing this kind of fighting on such a public scale in other sports right now.

[@kamunurkamunur3468]

@@82gioccia Most Russian support the war in Ukraine.

[@82gioccia]

@@kamunurkamunur3468 it’s a matter of propoganda. Don’t play innocent coz there’ve been multiple wars going on in the world recently. Why now? Why Ukraine? Why so many weapons sent? To weaken strong Russia and sacrifice Europe, because no one cares. War is awful… but I still have some questions remained unanswered. Why did Ukrainians start this “let’s kill Russian women and children “ long before Crimea annexation? Why did Ukrainians become enemies of Russians and spoke out and behaved indecently at resorts long before 2014??? Why did my friend’s father reside in Ukraine and cursed his children in Russia (he himself brought them there)? Why do the majority of Ukrainian soldiers have swastika tattoo? Western media show a totally different picture of what we divided families have here in Russia and Ukraine… From what I know no one would ever say that Russians are cruel, indecent or hostile, in the contrary if you’ve met them they very simple, friendly and hospitable. If you’ve met them.. so this war makes no sense unless it really does. Once again war is awful. Was it a matter of national security and integrity, at that point it was. I have no idea what happened with Valieva. Is she talented? The mist talented the figure skating has ever had? Do I approve of her representing Russia? I certainly don’t. Do I think something is wrong? Yes! How come did the results appear a day after the Team event??? Surprise… 2 months after.

[@anthonydolio8118]

After the tour de force by medal winner David Lease, watching Corey Circelli attempt Pagliacci will be an embarrassment. The music has received its definitive interpretation and should be laid in state, never to be resurrected again. It will be like watching any woman attempt East of Eden. Been there, done that.

[@melissamoralez4298]

Had no idea Ashley Cain was looking for a partner to replace Timothy. What happened? PS Dave, Absolutely love the vibrant colors on you! 😍😍😍

[@demodexo6742]

He was having better makeup and she was jealous. Kidding, I've heard she is retiring and not sure whether he is looking for a new apartment or retiring as well.

[@alexac3098]

The interviews they gave before the Olympics had a vibe of “we’re retiring after Worlds”. Then they had a catastrophe at Worlds and what a terrible way to end your career. If Timothy has indeed moved that’s …pretty solid indicator they are indeed retiring. Possibly Ashley can’t face it yet. But Tim has left and she’s had FOUR CONCUSSIONS and I cannot imagine she’s really continuing.

[@melissamoralez4298]

@@alexac3098 thanks Alexa. I do know Ashley has a lot of students right now so maybe a full time coaching role is in her future.

[@afibebli2848]

Regarding tennis, it's only Wimbledon and the smaller grasscourt tournaments in Britain that came up with this decision of banning Russians.

[@a9029k]

And even the Wimbledon decision looks like it may end up being reversed considering the pretty universal outcry against it. It was a knee-jerk reaction and I think they thought other events were going to follow suit

[@trylogic4084]

@@a9029k The problem is that the ATP decided that because they are excluding Russia and Belarus that no points will be awarded to anyone at Wimbledon. I'll bet that there wouldn't be that much uproar if they were awarding points.

[@a9029k]

@@trylogic4084 the decision to not award points came after the backlash to barring Russian/Belarusian players. It was an insane precedent to set and many high-profile players rightly said so. One of the top ranked women is a Belarusian who has lived in the US for many years. It just feels very wrong and gross to have a group of tournament organizers acting as moral arbiters of geopolitical events- and in only this one instance.

[@johnseals1986]

Boom, first like and comment!

[@TheSkatingLesson]

❤️🙏

[@rachelheller1396]

What is going on with Bradi Tenell?

[@lollypop2414]

Last I heard, she's planning on continuing competing. She's been dealing with injuries recently though.

[@Essylte]

It's good to know that Yuzu and Shoma are still continuing, however, the two Spanish ice-dance teams (save for Olivia Smart) retiring is sad. I was hoping to see more of them, but since they've been in this for a while, they probably want to do other things with their lives. James and Radford continuing makes me happy, though! Don't really remember Zach Daleman or Natalia Zabiiako. Ilia landing a 4A was never impossible; with Yuzuru Hanyu still injured, someone was bound to keep practicing uninjured and eventually get it. At least the US has a strong male contender to send to GP series and Worlds. Hah, American fake humility makes me laugh! Don't know if I'll watch the Russian GP series. Seriously, they're inviting other countries to participate in it? What a joke! In this situation where the war with Ukraine is still ongoing? How naive is this? It'll just be another Russian pageant contest. Not really interested in seeing predictable Russians place first in all podium places. Thanks for keeping up informed again, guys!

[@krisfujimoto72]

I am really happy to be seeing more of Shoma. He is so cute and very dynamic.

[@krisfujimoto72]

I am somewhat surprised Yuzu will be back after all the injuries; but I live watching him in action; but no doubt I really will miss the hell out of Nathan.

[@flywings111]

@@krisfujimoto72 Why would you be surprised? Yuzu has had tons of injuries in the past and he returned from those injuries many times. Maybe it's a wishful thinking on your part.

[@krisfujimoto72]

@@flywings111 yuzu has won everything and has achieved so much.....you just wonder how much of a beating his body can take. I like Yuzu; but I can understand the pain he goes through with rehab.

[@Unfiltered494]

@@krisfujimoto72 I think the problem he has is that he has no idea what to do with himself post figure skating. That's why he keeps prolonging his career even when his body gives him clear signals to stop. He's one of those skaters for whom skating is their entire existence. I can imagine that retiring for such athletes is particularly hard.

[@Sisterfifi]

Illia with so much potential makes me think that currently in his baby Yuzu/Nathan phase where he doesn’t have the consistency yet, opposed to Kagiyama who is consistent.

[@NG-ue4th]

Honestly, as admirable as the Russians attempt to maintain their morale by holding all these competition is, I don't really understand how they're going to actually go through with all those plans considering the current state of their state finances, particularly if all the hose reports I'm reading recently of the Russians having to crowdfund supplies for their army...like surely any windfalls that may come their in the next months will be primarily be used for their defence (or rather offence in their case) operations over multiple sports competitions.

[@82gioccia]

Russia is doing fine. What you get is fake news. Not only about the war but all across the board. It’s propaganda. Looking forward to the new season and competitions held in Russia. The Covid season was so much more exciting than GP season last year. So much pressure, drama, so many competitors and camps. But it’s from the viewer’s standpoint, from the athlete’s - of course they want international medals.

[@FigureNastics]

@@82gioccia You must first consume non Russian news to find out what's going on. I feel sorry for all those brainwashed by the Russian state propaganda 😢

[@mkashpur7697]

@@82gioccia Russia is doing fine, except it is killing thousands of people. Hope to never see their athletes compete internationally.

[@demodexo6742]

What is relation between Russian Skater Natalia zabiiako and Russian tennis player kasatkina? I assume domestic partners.

[@krisfujimoto72]

Doesn't much of the artistry develope with age and experience topped off with the types of coaches and mentoring?

[@TheSkatingLesson]

Not always

[@freedomlife3623]

Skating skill is a thing you need learn while you are young. You need those skills to express artistically on the ice. Otherwise the sport should call Jump skating.

[@gymerin]

The difference with participation in tennis is that so far, Wimbledon and some of the leadups are the only large events to ban Russian/Belarusian entries. And the ATP/WTA decided to strip Wimbledon of any ranking points.

[@hannibaljustincase9985]

but you have to admit that tennis isn't really politically affected the way skating or gymnastics are

[@alexandraantonovitch428]

@@hannibaljustincase9985 tennis has class 💕

[@RedShoes29]

lol a Russian Grand Prix? Unless they can release a clean test for all winners, no one is going to take that seriously, especially with the case hanging over their shoulder.

[@flywings111]

I would definitely watch it! And many others as well

[@JoshuaFazeli]

Who is still skating in China? Are they asking the man with the young girl to come back? I’m really confused what is going on over there. Did Jing Boyang retire or is he staying on to compete? Has Lori indicated anything?

[@lollypop2414]

Boyang is not retiring. He missed Worlds because he needed an appendectomy. I think Sui/Han are taking next season off. I'm not sure beyond that.

[@trylogic4084]

What "man with the young girl" are you referring to? I read a tweet from a woman who was absolutely certain she knew what the story was for everybody in China. I believe she mentioned the appendicitis, and she said that Sui & Han are taking two years off, but then they will be back. Which blew my mind, because I thought that she has been injured so many times that they would retire. But it's our gain 😊.

[@JoshuaFazeli]

@@trylogic4084 apparently zhang hao retired last year but I wouldn’t be surprised if they forced him to come back with some 14 year old who is listed as 19 on her paperwork.

[@JoshuaFazeli]

@@trylogic4084 that’s nice to hear about sui/han bc it would be nice to see them work with choreographers outside Lori nichol exclusively. Like Michelle during 2003-06 quad.

[@kylief515]

Ilia tells people he’s never met that he is one of the best in the world. Do u think that’s cocky?

[@JosedeJezeus]

It's truthful

[@BillyWhaler]

The sad part of the Russian time out is we know that Russian sports scientists are in the basement working on doping innovations. Their athletes will come back stronger, faster with more stamina and the tests will detect nothing.

[@82gioccia]

Even sadder that US athletes and some others are legally drugged using therapeutic excuse having imaginary disorders. Same rules and restrictions should be applied to every athlete, the allowed medication should be the same. Right now some countries have their national medication banned, while others with similar effect allowed. That should stop. Allowed or banned, same for everyone. Period.

[@FigureNastics]

@@82gioccia Why don't the Russians use these exemptions? Instead they have a whole ass government run doping program lmao!!!!! U need help if u believe everything the state tells you. It's funny the that whole world's intelligence agencies are wrong and just Russia is correct. Come on! How likely is it that? Honestly?

[@mkashpur7697]

@@82gioccia What a bunch of lies. What are you even doing watching an enemy American video? Go watch your rutube.

[@Melissa-yr7fm]

@@82gioccia what “imaginary” disorders are you speaking of?

[@alexandraantonovitch428]

@@Melissa-yr7fm ADHD 😂 asthma …etc Serena and Simone to name a few

[@jjsmith4829]

russia is so bitter. haha

[@peptobismol8968]

These adult skaters from tsl who can't even do a single axel properly open a yt channel and act like they're some experts is so funny to me 😂

[@catforwith]

それほど羽生選手が嫌いならば、引退させるために、フィギュアスケートから永久追放させるためにTSLの司会者が中心になって署名活動したらどうですか。でも彼から人生のすべてであり愛するフィギュアスケートを取り上げたら彼に残るのはなんでしょうか。それともアンチやヘイターはそれを望んでいるのですか。

[@DSQueenie]

They don’t hate Hanyu.

[@kimNataly]

question guys 😨 why don''t have a this and that of Nathan Chen at Stars On Ice. 😰😰😰😰 Nathan is not your favorite? I have watched many of your programs bc I like your this and that, but barely you mention Nathan and I'm looking forward for hear something about him! Sorry for the question!

[@sporeKAfan]

I am not American and I am also quite surprised that a US based channel doesn't even promote their own Team USA skaters and ice show but talked about a Japanese skater doing ice show on another country.

[@flywings111]

@@sporeKAfan Because not even Americans care about Nathan. He is not interesting because he lacks the personality and apart from his little amount of fans no one cares much what he does at SOI or not.

[@sporeKAfan]

@@flywings111 Too bad he "lacks personality" for you since he is not an old man carrying winnie the poohs or dressed like a Xmas tree. TSL has always mentioned Nathan for all his competitions except for the ice show. Yes he has "little amount of fans". You can tell that to his large following on instagram and twitter. Seeing that you are under every Nathan's comment thread even 2 to 3 years back, he sure holds a lot of your interest.

[@JordanT711]

@@flywings111 Americans love Nathan, but he is retiring, so there’s not really anything new to talk about with him regarding skating. He’s going to college/medical school and just living a normal life. He’s pretty drama free and doesn’t live off fame and toxic fan bases that need him to be in the spotlight.

[@JordanT711]

@@sporeKAfan As an American, I can say that most American skating fans care more about promoting good skating/skaters than just promoting Team USA skaters for the sake of it. I went to 4CC when it took place in the US, and the American audience rooted more for Rika, Shoma, Kaori, Keegan, and Jin than our own US skaters. Though we definitely do root for our skaters when they do well like Nathan and Alysa. Also, our ice shows are also kinda boring compared to other countries. I went to Stars on Ice last month, and the stadium attendance was half full. The skaters skate beautifully, but they don’t really do anything new or as exciting as other countries do for their ice shows. Nathan didn’t even do any quads at SOI (which is totally fine, because his skating is still amazing).

[@anthonydolio8118]

The Russians should create the CSU (Communist Skating Union) to include Russia, China, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, and Belarus. All of the skaters could be required to be dehydrated, malnourished, and doped, among other things.

[@user-gg9uu9kx9w]

the soviet union ended 30 years ago and russia is a capitalist oligarchy, were you in a coma since the 80s and just woke up?

[@anthonydolio8118]

@@user-gg9uu9kx9w Yes, and Red China is now a beautiful shade of pastel pink. Whatever!

[@user-gg9uu9kx9w]

@@anthonydolio8118 so thats a yes lol

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

Tough watching Jonathan have to sit through dave’s rant about his obsession with Russian women and rambling about “ Yuzu’s old ass”… attention span of a goldfish

[@Dasumaeshine]

Ila malalinin reminds me a lot of this one skater at my rink