This Atheist Is So Close to Taking SHAHADA!

[@Ahmed36781]

The shiekh is confusing. They are both distracted the topic. Inshallah this should be noted

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@user-if9pp4vg7g]

I think they way destiny works is we have "checkpoints" that we are guided to in life but we also get to make a choice when we come to those "checkpoints" which gives us our free will. Just like you say the man was guided to come talk to you, but in the end he gets to decide which path he will take.

[@freeman7983]

Baraka ALLAHU fikum

[@aliendestranger]

The answer to the predestination/determination question was muddied unnecessarily.

[@DinaZara-g7o]

My brothers, translating into Arabic is very important and has many benefits. The last revelation was in Arabic. Thank you all. May God bless you.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@MRW515]

Atheism u akbar

[@shaikhimi6458]

With all due respect to the Sheikh, why is he getting involved, brother Abbas knows what hes doing - this is his arena. Unless asked he shouldnt be interfering as hes confusing the situation. Also he is not fluent in English which doesnt help.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

In logic, the argument from consensus is known as the consensus gentium fallacy. It's a fallacy because it argues that an idea is true based on the majority of people believing it, instead of directly addressing the idea itselfHello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented. My position is that *_I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._* And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 11 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that a particular god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument which _concludes_ there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating the verity of such a claim. If any of the following facts were to be contravened at a later time by evidence, experience, or sound argument, I would THEN have good reason to acknowledge such a reality. 1. I have never been presented with a functional definition of a god. 2. I personally have never observed a god. 3. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god. 4. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 5. I have never been presented with any _valid_ logical argument, which also introduced demonstrably true premises that lead deductively to an inevitable conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality. 6. Of the many logical syllogisms I have examined arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain a formal or informal logical fallacy or a premise that can not be demonstrated to be true. 7. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 8. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 9. I have never knowingly experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 10. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 11. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have been presented have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as _falsifiable._ ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any particular god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

[@khalfaouicy1234]

Hello there, your skepticism is rooted in a reliance on observable evidence, demonstrable premises, and verifiable claims ; a quiet valid epistemological approach ngl. However, belief in God, especially in the Islamic tradition, is not premised solely on sensory observation but on a combination of rational inquiry, metaphysical reasoning, and the coherence of existence itself. In Islam, Allah is defined as the Necessary Being, uncreated and eternal, whose existence is required for the existence of the contingent universe. He, by definition, transcends the physical realm. Observing God directly is not possible within material constraints, just as certain abstract truths (like logic or morality) are not observable yet are self-evident through reason. While God cannot be observed, countless individuals, including prophets, have attested to divine revelation. Their claims are evaluated based on their moral character, fulfillment of prophecies, and the transformative impact of their message. Of course, you don’t have to believe that (yet). But the Qur’an presents itself as the ultimate and inimitable proof of divine authorship. It’s not just a text to be read but a phenomenon to be experienced. It invites you to reflect deeply on its content, form, and impact. It does not demand blind acceptance but encourages reflection, promising answers to those who sincerely ponder its message. So all I would humbly recommend is to read the Qur’an with an open heart and mind, to explore its tafsirs (exegeses) for deeper understanding (I'd recommend Nouman Ali Khan), and to reflect on the wisdom within its unique structure. Peace to you.

[@Youssef.A.A]

u are talking about fallacies and u have made so many urself most of ur criterias rely on observation however there are so many things in life that u can not see with ur own eyes but u believe in like ur mind ur feelings gravity ect... we use deductive reasoning, it' so simple but most of u atheists like to complicate things,,, u can see design and engineering and organized laws however u keep saying nope all of these things came by itself which is not even close to logic that you are supposed to believe in, it's like u are trying to convince urself that the phone or computer you are using which they are not even compared to the complexity of the universe came on their own randomly...finding god is easy when u stop doubting everything even ur own existence and some people think it's a way of rationality and smartness which is not at all...

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@Youssef.A.A How could I commit a fallacy when I wasn't presenting an _argument?_

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Youssef.A.A Well?

[@khalfaouicy1234]

@@Theo_Skeptomai I’m not sure why my reply was deleted, but in any case... Your skepticism is rooted in a reliance on observable evidence, demonstrable premises, and verifiable claims ; a quiet valid epistemological approach ngl. However, belief in God, especially in the Islamic tradition, is not premised solely on sensory observation but on a combination of rational inquiry, metaphysical reasoning, and the coherence of existence itself. In Islam, God (Allah) is defined as the Necessary Being, uncreated and eternal, whose existence is required for the existence of the contingent universe. He, by definition, transcends the physical realm. Observing God directly is not possible within material constraints, just as certain abstract truths (like logic or morality) are not observable yet are self-evident through reason. While God cannot be observed, countless individuals, including prophets, have attested to divine revelation. Their claims are evaluated based on their moral character, fulfillment of prophecies, and the transformative impact of their message. Of course, you don’t have to believe that (yet). But the Qur’an presents itself as the ultimate and inimitable proof of divine authorship. It’s not just a text to be read but a phenomenon to be experienced. It invites you to reflect deeply on its content, form, and impact. It does not demand blind acceptance but encourages reflection, promising answers to those who sincerely ponder its message. So all I would humbly recommend is to read the Qur’an with an open heart and mind, and to delve into its tafsirs (exegeses) for deeper understanding (I would recommend Nouman Ali Khan). Peace to you.

[@khalidami6494]

SubhanaAllah I really dont like this sheikh who interfere in this beautiful conversation

[@pleaselogic251]

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[@scottholder4431]

When he says "our domino(universe) fell 13.8 billion years ago" and then assumes what caused the domino to fall is something that is conscious and has a will......he's failing to understand that something must have existed before our universe, because our universe could not have come from nothing......and that something could have been another universe that collapsed and then reformed, which wouldn't require a consciousness or a will. You would have to test the thing that caused our current universe to exist in order to prove it has a consciousness or a will........and that's something that we cannot do at this time.

[@AbdulMoiz-hl6fj]

Who brought the first universe of whose collapsing came our current universe into existence? One could actually say that again and again and again unto infinity but there is a logical rule that there must be something at the end of the chain which caused everything right now to come into existance. If there is an infinite chain of causes then that gives no explanation for why anything exists at all and this is why there must be a first cause which is termed as God. Only a conscious, rational, and purposeful being could account for the fine-tuning of the universe, the order and complexity we observe, and the existence of morality and free will which is why the first cause cannot be unconcious meaning a law of physics or anything. For that first thing to come into being it must have a will and conciousness.

[@scottholder4431]

@@AbdulMoiz-hl6fj Nature isn't a who. Asking "who" is biased......because you will only except a person's name.

[@scottholder4431]

@@AbdulMoiz-hl6fj We only have natural processes/causes. There is no evidence of supernatural processes or causes. So the only logical conclusion is that natural causes created the universe, right?

[@alim1994h]

@@scottholder4431 He gave you a perfect answer that you should reflect upon. Doesn’t matter whether he said “who” or “what”. Just accept the terminology for argument’s sake.

[@scottholder4431]

@@alim1994h Doesn’t matter whether he said “who” or “what”" Sure it does. Asking "who" means you will only accept a person's name as the answer.....when the answer could be something other than a person or person's name.

[@xpacnwo2000]

I tell you if i saw even one grey hair in Abbas's beard i would say halas you are taking rubbish, however the pure black dyed beard he presents himself to people with is undeniable and worthy of believing in allah alone.

[@Remy-t9m]

This dude is obsessed with making satirical comments about Abbas

[@Shabs2456]

@@Remy-t9mhis must be green with envy 😂

[@xpacnwo2000]

@@Shabs2456 envy of abbas? Of course most men dream of looking and acting like abbas does. He shows us what is takes to accept Islam and what type of men are in the religion. Abbas makes me rock hard haram.

[@tahirmahmood5966]

Alhamdulillah. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@MRW515]

Free Britain

[@tahirmahmood5966]

@MRW515 free Britain from what....

[@MRW515]

@@tahirmahmood5966 those who wish harm to the natives and wish harm to the culture of the natives.

[@MRW515]

@@tahirmahmood5966 free Palestine from what?

[@tahirmahmood5966]

@@MRW515 are you on drugs....