This Axolotl is NOT natural - They CUT Them

[@gooseontheloose6366]

I have done research and this is *before* they develop pain receptors, which means that there is no pain in the process. They don't feel any pain that is caused by this and they live like normal axolotls.

[@christinawaldrop8436]

just another thing we do as humans to make something look aesthetically pleasing ..

[@abbiepreston2055]

It's also used for stem cell research, which can help us find cures for illness and help with birth deformities and possibly allowing us to gain the knowledge to regrow human organs since many people including young children who are dying because they don't have the access to Receive orgains from donors since donors are very limited.

[@axolotlflippy8081]

It’s completely harmless for axolotls. They do this before their nervous system develops so it would cause no pain. There is a 100% success rate when people do this.

[@Jaywil07]

Do you have any data showing this?

[@axolotlflippy8081]

@@Jaywil07 research

[@Jaywil07]

See that’s the issue. There is ZERO data just words. Because most of this is done unethically? Why would I research it when you presented the number?

[@axolotlflippy8081]

@@Jaywil07 i read an article on this. They do this procedure before their nervous system develops

[@Jaywil07]

No not that, I agree that is feasible. I’m talking the 100% success rate part.

[@Ballpython50001]

Ok so before I get started I feel the need to disclose that, #1. This 20 second video is the first time hearing about this. #2. At the time of making this comment I have done no prior research about these axolotls or the process used to create them. First Point. In your video you say these axolotls are cut at the "embryonic state" and are fused together. It would seem to me that this process is similar to grafting trees. I would need to ask, What embryonic state do you mean exactly ? is it before or after the embryo develops pain receptors ? The only ethical concerns I can see are, #1. Does this cause the animal to feel pain during the procedure ? #2. Does this cause the animal to feel pain / exhibit abnormal behavior that is detrimental to mental and physical health during its life ? Second Point. you say that this is "not natural", It's the first thing you say about them in the video and it's in the title and description. Your emphasis on this point makes it seem less like you are describing them and more like you are criticising them. This is called the "appeal to nature fallacy". Where "something is bad because it is unnatural" or something is good because it is natural. Now please understand that by me pointing this out, does not mean any conclusion (in favour or against) is wrong. I'm just stating that when people reach a conclusion based on a flawed method that conclusion should be disregarded until they can better justify it. To end my comment and give my 2 cents I will say that, If the answers to the ethical concerns I posited are both no, then I see nothing wrong with this procedure.

[@Jaywil07]

Thank you for leaving your comment. Your opinion is one with great thought.

[@aliciabowes4595]

No if it’s not for scientific legible research it’s in humane it’s not right to torture earths creatures

[@user-jj9pe3ii1s]

axotols part of nature you dont need to care about but but others do

[@PirateOfTheNorth]

So cruel for vanity

[@BigShrimpin416]

Def not the right thing to do. It’s literally for no reason

[@Jaywil07]

Agree

[@alisonnicholson]

All about aesthetics and money with little regard to the axolotl. It's a living creature let it be in it's TRUE natural state. Typical humans always playing God. Tampering with this altering that. And for what? Cause they can or cause they think it's right or it looks good.

[@Jaywil07]

It seems that way

[@axolotlflippy8081]

It’s completely harmless for axolotls. They do this before their nervous system develops so it would cause no pain. There is a 100% success rate when people do this.

[@tuckrex2038]

Do you own dogs? Cats? Really any domesticated pet is altered by humans through selective breeding. Most things you eat are heavily altered by humans through selective breeding. Just the way things are, my friend

[@Jaywil07]

Yes I have a Dutch shepherd. Un altered but if you like I can cut him in half and glue him to a Persian cat.

[@Aiden-ls2xy]

What about the axolotls where it’s their head that’s a different color do they cut their heads off?

[@sassymusic77]

While it doesn't cause pain to the axolotl to have this done at such an early stage, I have to ask why outside of research this would be done? Just to appeal to the human need for novelty? Are axolotls not novel enough that we have to alter them outside of what they would normally be? To that point, the axolotls that people keep as pets are so far different from wild ones that they are now a different species. This was also done to appeal to our need for novelty. I question our ability as a species to rise above that ridiculous need and just appreciate animals as they are - and it's not just axolotls! Look at cats - we have bred them for extremes as well - no hair, excessive size, punched in faces. We've done this to dogs - pugs are almost non-functional due to the breed standards set for them. We've done it to horses - thoroughbred horses often die early due to the stresses put on them in the racing world. We seem unable to just accept the basic animal at face value and love it that way. So the biggest question isn't whether or not the axolotl feels pain, as we know that it does not - but rather why we feel the need to continue doing these things to the world around us, and not just leave well enough alone!

[@turbolegends2792]

is this the same for chimera axolotls?

[@silverglow9980]

Nope! Just like Chimera cats or birds(where a male and female embryo formed as one). This happens naturally, no human modification needed. While sometimes people do genetically modify them this way, it is not required and can happen completely naturally.

[@silverglow9980]

Though it is also rare and most chimerics are likely genetically modified....

[@turbolegends2792]

@@silverglow9980 oh

[@SupremeRTS]

Shouldn't do that to an endangered species

[@Jaywil07]

I agree

[@axolotlflippy8081]

It’s completely harmless for axolotls. They do this before their nervous system develops so it would cause no pain. There is a 100% success rate when people do this.

[@kaidenmaynez3148]

Theyre only endangered in the wild. These are captive bread axolotls and natural ones look very different.

[@pinknosebleed9932]

if you're pressed about this ive got some bad news about your dog lol

[@Jaywil07]

They cut dogs in the embryonic state

[@omnilife6660]

i will never pay money for a gmo axolotl

[@onlyfins5729]

Big 🏀🏈 ⚽️ to post this topic but I’ll weigh in And say No this isn’t a good practice And good for you touching on subjects that triggers raw emotions and being able to have a conversation about it

[@Jaywil07]

I think it’s time we actually had conversations about raw topics. I think it’s horrible no matter what stage.

[@Kopite19877]

What do you mean you dont know? .. no it isnt the right thing.

[@Jaywil07]

Who am I to decide

[@abbiepreston2055]

Why isn't it

[@Brian-R]

@@abbiepreston2055Cutting an animal up into pieces for no other reason than it may appeal to someone’s aesthetic needs is wrong, period. Amazing these things need to be discussed in this day in age tbh. I remember painted glass fish being a thing when i was a kid. Told us the dye that was used was harmless too. Yeah, that was a lie. For we all know this “procedure” has a 50% death rate or something. Honestly, if even one dies it shouldn’t be done just so you can buy a novelty.