This CNC-Machine was Witchcraft in 1996 ... (and still is)

[@dimitartenchev9338]

Saw somethin like this with automatic loader 3 years ago lost 6 hours staring at it do its thing :D

[@risfutile]

Hot damn, what a beast of a machine! 24 position tool turret, dual spindle, huuuge travel, powered tools, tool probe... I'm in complete awe!

[@chas1878]

1996... This thing is crazy

[@JulienBaut]

ToT and Roetz4.0 in one day? It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas.

[@85CEKR]

This is a pretty good spin on the multitasking lathe, but there where alot of companies making machines very similar to this in the 90's. The best design in my opinion is the ones that have a full 5 axis head with a tool changer and then an indexing turret on the back.

[@littlejackalo5326]

This is very unique. The mill turn machines were much bigger, and much more expensive. This is a lathe with live tooling. Two different types of machine. People buying these aren't able to buy the big mill turn machines. This machines had faster rapids than most machines too. We're there other machines as advanced and fast? Yes. Were they common? No.

[@erniewelz]

This is quite the machine. I’ve never seen one like this. Very interesting to see the versatility in this design. Really cool. Thanks for sharing!!

[@chronokoks]

How does a young man get to have so many nice expensive toys? It took me until I was 30 that I could actually buy proper shielded flexible polyurethane cables to connect servos and steppers on my machines :D

[@chronokoks]

@@mrspeaky6885 facepalm...

[@stevedelacruz3749]

That right these very expensice machines

[@stewartfrye]

Here's a serious answer, these machines are being thrown away by manufacturers all over the place, age and old electronics make them costly to keep up, and the down time makes them unpredictable. Learn to ASK about everything, including this answer you received because you asked.

[@stevedelacruz3749]

@@stewartfrye awsome

[@chronokoks]

@@stewartfrye European used market is far more different. Used machines go for much higher than in the states.

[@hdfanboy]

Interesting that all the live tools run at the same time. I would understand all 3 live tools in the same row running at once but for all the live tools to run at once I can't say i've seen a machine like that before. Can't wait to see what you get up to with this crazy machine. I love the fact that you can use the same live tools vertical or horizontal because that would save you so much setup time not needing multiple live tool holders for face or OD work.

[@chadkrause6574]

I’m pretty sure most turret lathes spin live tools at the same time. There’s only one motor to drive the live tools

[@hdfanboy]

@@chadkrause6574 All our mazak lathes have live tooling and only the tool in the cutting position spins. All the other live tools on the turret never move. I know you can get live tool holders for our lathes that have 2-4 positions for like a drill, chamfer and tap and then they all rotate at the same time but the other live tools on the turrent remain stopped. That's why I find this machine both interesting and weird at the same time.

[@HudsonLighting]

@@chadkrause6574 only the one that's in forward position, not all positions

[@max_eley]

That is a serious machine tool, looks awesome!, thanks for sharing.

[@harezy]

The Siemens sinumerik is conversational. You can program all that on the control no need for posting. Looks like a nice machine.

[@XXCoder]

Man no idea how CAM for that would be done.

[@twoheadedpanthr]

I actually said "WTF" out loud when it did the part hand off with the chucks spinning. I guess that's for concentricity? Never seen anything like that, then again I am not a machinist lol.

[@eviethekiwi7178]

It’s also to make sure no chips get caught in the jaws in the process 😉

[@Roetz40]

Exactly. Also you need that if you want to machine something with both spindles in place (live center) or maybe even part something off.

[@DEtchells]

@@Roetz40 Oh wow, hadn't thought about a "live center" application of the two spindles. What's the overall work envelope? (Insane machine!)

[@themattrixrevolution]

What scares the crap out of me is the machinist kiss.

[@christofear]

@@themattrixrevolution is that when the 2 spindles rotate together when the jaws are intertwined

[@ChrisMaj]

Man, this thing is a beast, I've never seen a machine like that.

[@Roetz40]

And you've seen some serious machines :P Glad you stopped by, Chris.

[@brandons9138]

This is quite the unique design for a machine tool. I like it. It seems like it would be pretty versatile yet have a compact floorspace foot print. What is the max material size through the bore on the main spindle?

[@Roetz40]

the bore measures 42mm

[@brandons9138]

@@Roetz40 That's not bad at all.

[@MarionMakarewicz]

Wow. Some serious machine prön. Thanks for the demo. Looking forward to more.

[@jerrylor60]

This would be a modern marvel at my workplace. We've got machines three times my age

[@gooddayforburnouts]

Keep the hands on feeling 🙌. You never know ? We might need it soon ..

[@dakarpsi]

I have been doing repair on CNC machines for years, the main thing I find with these kind of tool heads is they aren't very durable in a production environment.

[@machinistmikethetinkerer4827]

Yup agreed.

[@247printing]

How fast can it print a quality benchy? Just kidding :) Dang, what an awesome machine and a great watch. This is way better than watching 3D printing - those movement sounds are very cool...

[@sicstar]

If you would mod it to a 3d printer it wouldnt be the fastest one but for sure the most overkill and one of the most accurate (CMM 3d printer aside lol)

[@emanggitulah4319]

How is the CAM programming for that one? I don't even want to imagine 😜

[@Xlaxsauce]

I like the design of the machine, but I do wonder why all the tools spin instead of the needed one. You'd think that'd cause you to lose power depending how many spindles you have in the turret.

[@angrydragonslayer]

The extra complexity to only spin one likely isnt worth it

[@TheNefastor]

@@angrydragonslayer indeed. You'd need a complex gearbox and/or clutches for that. It might not even be more efficient in the end. Much better to just have all spindles permanently driven by one motor.

[@angrydragonslayer]

@@TheNefastor yeah, i can imagine that spinning a single one would involve a lot more friction as well Stuff like the haas lathes use a small pinion to spin a single tool but converting those to 5-ax just isnt an option

[@jimsvideos7201]

I've never seen a machine like it, and I didn't know interpolated tapping like that was available so far back.

[@speakerfreakable]

Crazy shit dude... please continue!

[@capnthepeafarmer]

How much did you pick that machine up for, if you don't mind me asking?

[@williammccartney4833]

I once work in a machine shop a plastics an engineering plant we made parts for end users developing solutions I was a brick Mason before I started at the bottom and started working my way up the learning curve was night and day saw alot didn't have the aptitude for machine work plus I'm an addict to many variables but I was a great parts changer and QC guy and a lead hand wish I would have stay there or been centered enough to have been useful

[@blakehorton8110]

What so you so now , I'm an electrician but I would love to get into machining

[@Awfultyming]

Wow impressed from America! thank you. How many axis is this? I thought 8 axis and then you said at the end it didn't have a full 5 axis (plus tool probe for multiple tools I didn't realize) so 10 axis machine? please do a part off sub spindle change just to show the full capabilities please (even if it doesn't have a bar feeder). This really seems like an industry specific machine tool like a Ford needed to make a million of a specific part and this was the best way. Can you pinch turn with this, or better yet 'pinch drill' and drill from both sides of your traditional x axis on 2 parts at the same time? great content thank you

[@anthonyjones657]

Even has ridgid tapping. Nice. What rpm spindle and what is the machine? Is it hiedenhain 530? I have a 96 Hermle

[@Roetz40]

It's Siemens 840d controller

[@Chris-bg8mk]

Why does it spin the chucks during the handoff?

[@garysimmons1631]

That is one of the most awesome Machines I've seen. It's amazing.

[@Dullwo]

Lathe-Mills with dubble spindle are great! have fun!

[@darrellsfullthrottlegarage2628]

Can you post make model ?

[@Roetz40]

I can't, it was provided by cam company

[@Chris-kk8xg]

That was a treat to watch thank you

[@eviethekiwi7178]

I never thought of roughing with neutral rake tools, how well would that work for manual lathe stuff? It sounds interesting… i’m gonna try it

[@Roetz40]

Those tools are neutral rake aswell and that is pretty basic. But what I meant is the orientation of the tool. The insert is neutral = in the middle of the holder, therefore I can use it on both spindles

[@bbarker5766]

We have a dual spindle Mazak and would love to have a larger one like this!!

[@chadkrause6574]

Why do you have to hand off to the sub spindle while spinning? Why not just turn both spindles off and grab it?

[@Roetz40]

In this case it is not necessary but we tested it for parting off operations

[@themattrixrevolution]

This thing is ahead of it's time if it's 1996. What brand is it?

[@themattrixrevolution]

@Alexander Rennips ah gotcha. It's all about that German engineering.😅

[@twobob]

Direct drive then? Interesting fixed rig to the heads

[@LeckieInstallsLondon]

that 45 rigid tap 🔃❤

[@fabioporta5591]

Che macchina é?

[@ericgerval]

This guy is cooool ! i love the last seconds of the video !

[@anthonyrude]

Hey can I get permission to this this video? I want to show this to explain to people who don't know what I do.

[@nikolaiownz]

That lathe is really cool. Very versitaile

[@warehouseman6325]

Never seen anything like this in my 27 years of CNC programming

[@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE]

I cant believe I watched the whole thing.

[@AntalopeAUT]

90deg chamfer mill is sufficient as engraving tool :)

[@siegmundeurades5753]

I didn't see what was so special about it until I noticed every every drill was spinning... Amazing concept, would like to learn more about the inner workings.

[@kovidivi]

only problem, when you have long drill, in the maschine and you must also engrave anything, spindle rotate at 10.000RPM, and the long drill will broke (not perfectly centered, and not for 10k RPM produced)...

[@GENcELL2014]

@@kovidivi shouldn't have an issue spinning at 10k, considering they aren't machining and just spinning in place. Quality tooling and holders with 3mm+ diameter don't just break at 10k, even fairly long ones.

[@Guds777]

I can't see a name for this "Millturn" machine so i assume this is something Japanese, or it can be German. No matter, it's cool...

[@r4z3r91]

Interessante Maschine, bin mal gespannt was du darauf für Teile machst. Habe die Tage eine Maho-Graziano GR200 vor der Verschrottung gerettet. Die muss auch wieder rennen ;) Keep going :)

[@Audio_Simon]

Does it use the tool to help slow the work piece? Going from center to outer cut seems like it starts cutting before fully slowing. 2nd Q. Why do the chucks synchronously when exchanging work piece?

[@themattrixrevolution]

Man I wanna get a double turrets lathe.

[@ExpatZ266]

Wicked cool machine!

[@jacobfalk4827]

funky mill-turn missing a couple chromosomes

[@alexbarnett8541]

So many spindles! Swiss Army knife of CNC's.

[@JBLewis]

ok, I'm blown away from the auto-speed control: dialing up the speed as the facing tool gets closer to the center!

[@RadDadisRad]

I didn’t see any axes

[@hemptec7]

Still faster than most Multitasking machines with their stupid tool changes..

[@machinistmikethetinkerer4827]

I'm an old machinist/tool n die geezer turned machine repair. These machines can do some awesome stuff(try Swiss micro turning machines)but from my view they are a bitch to repair and take a serious beating in production to pay for themselves. I miss the days of handle cranking and dial turning sometimes...

[@cho4d]

that machine ist zehr stark!

[@TylerBrigham]

That's pretty unique

[@seimela]

Check our the crazy things you can do with solidcam

[@CaptainFalc0nPunch]

When it transferred the part to the other side of the lathe anyone else hear the dramatic docking music from interstellar? 🎶

[@DR.ELEKTRIK]

I gotta get me one of these!

[@TomChame]

Very neat, thanks.

[@DieselRamcharger]

the machine of many offsets

[@jayppop3333]

I wish it had a b head but pretty cool for it's time

[@CNCEVOLUTION]

Nice 👍

[@patricklaible7527]

This is awesome and for me still kind of witchcraft.

[@grinchyface]

some machines you can just hear how rigid they are.

[@loukola5353]

I think you meant to say how NOT rigid they are. lol

[@motionsick]

Sick

[@seimela]

Don't say this was 1996 machine

[@loukola5353]

The machine has its place but it is not a rigid machine. It seemed to struggle with the OD turning and you had some serious deflection on the drill when it was face drilling. It's probably an ok machine for smaller parts.

[@SeanHodgins]

Wow. I want one!

[@SHARE577]

I'm sorry to say, there is something extremely strange about you. I see no actual skill, I have been through many of your videos and try so hard to like you or to figure out if you have any ideas that are interesting. I find absolutely nothing. I know I'm being harsh but come on man. It's just shameful when you even try to imitate THIS OLD TONY and even fail at that. I recently watched your video titled world's most over engineered roller pin and hoped it was joke. You can't be serious.

[@jasonruch3529]

Badass! I never knew they made something like that! Thanks for sharing!

[@ogaugeclockwork4407]

Amazing machine!