This could be the best picture hanging system ever! 3M Claw

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Proper DIY

Proper DIY

11 ай бұрын

After many years of putting up fixings for pictures and prints around the home I think I've found the easiest, quickest and most secure hanging system ever! The 3M Claw.
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@twincamtim
@twincamtim 11 ай бұрын
It's probably already been said but worth repeating. You are producing videos which are interesting, entertaining, informative, funny, varied and professional. But most of all they are highly enjoyable, without the often boring, monotonous voiceover or lack of detail. The editing is not intrusive and so well done it is usually virtually invisible. Lastly, I absolutely love your relaxed approach to everything, which comes across as if you are talking to one of your friends. I can't get enough of them and always look forward to the next one! Thank you.
@MikeSmith-sg9pt
@MikeSmith-sg9pt 11 ай бұрын
15 minutes on such a simple product, but I didn't lose interest once.
@emielhoffer
@emielhoffer 11 ай бұрын
Amen
@danieldavidmccabe
@danieldavidmccabe 11 ай бұрын
Agree - the overall style is great and keeps you interested without being obnoxious like some other DIY channels suffer from.
@joekagerer
@joekagerer 11 ай бұрын
No need to buy an expensive flat screen TV mount!!! 😂😂😂 I have an observation from all the way over across the pond in California. You mentioned heavy plaster over the drywall. I would that would make these hangers more effective. Even several coats of paint may improve the density of the wallboard which is actually what failed. Your tests were already so high above the limit that it doesn't matter though.
@jules.marshall
@jules.marshall 10 ай бұрын
The mirror which I should have hung 6 years ago is now on the wall thanks to this video. Thank you.
@tureq85
@tureq85 11 ай бұрын
Stuart would make watching paint dry interesting. I am addicted to your videos and you're not late to the party, I didn't know these existed!
@paulleggett9735
@paulleggett9735 11 ай бұрын
Fair play to the unsung hero in this video....the Sainsbury's bag.
@dereklewinson3018
@dereklewinson3018 Ай бұрын
Thx so much for this video! Yesterday, after watching this video, I mounted a 36"×24" magnetic whiteboard in my office using a couple of 11kg (25lbs) 3M claws for the first time, plus a spirit level. Easiest mounting job ever! I even removed and repositioned the board higher. Again, EASY! Cheers!
@keithg1xfl
@keithg1xfl 11 ай бұрын
If you've got a Painting weighing 40+ Kg, then I would say you DON'T have plasterboard on your Walls in your Stately Home
@outoftheburrough
@outoftheburrough 11 ай бұрын
I'm impressed by the strength of the string & the bag 😂
@bscott77
@bscott77 11 ай бұрын
Great little products. If it says 3M on it then I tend to buy it. Is an incredibly trusted brand
@richardphillips3303
@richardphillips3303 11 ай бұрын
I've seen these advertised, but your impartial tests show that they are pretty awesome 😊. Thank you Stuart for sharing!
@Quaker521
@Quaker521 11 ай бұрын
As with most of the best things in life this is such a simple idea (wish I'd thought of it) but for its simplicity it works beautifully. Thanks for bringing this to our attention and I'm sure that 3M's sales are about to go up. I know that I'll be buying some. Cheers.
@SmallWorldFilms
@SmallWorldFilms 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Having watched this, I overcame my anxiety and installed one of these claws. I did need to persuade it to go with with a hammer, but it went in without incident.
@mickeyfilmer5551
@mickeyfilmer5551 11 ай бұрын
I am looking at a clock I bought a few years ago, that I deemed too heavy for my wall- it's 7kg so you've just solved that problem for me. Thanks again for enlightening me.
@2098elk
@2098elk 6 ай бұрын
What a wonderful product! Just finished hanging a small grandfather clock, Solved a problem with toggle bolts.
@Mani00786
@Mani00786 6 күн бұрын
I enjoyed your proper dubai vids. I didnt know you do DIY vids.
@paulinedavis8734
@paulinedavis8734 9 ай бұрын
THANKS...moved during COVID & haven’t hung a thing on my walls yet... 3M The Claw just made that thing on my TO DO LIST... a lot SIMPLER !!
@nicolass2262
@nicolass2262 11 ай бұрын
What an amazing timing for me to find this video I have like 10 frames to hang this week. Already order some. Great content thanks for the video.
@ajmilagros
@ajmilagros 6 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how I was just looking at these hooks yesterday, deciding whether or not they would suit my needs and then boom your video comes up with all the evidence I need. I guess I might be going back to the store to buy. 😂 thanks
@John01GM40
@John01GM40 11 ай бұрын
the most impressive thing in this video is the fact a sainsburys shopping bag can take such weight without the handles failing. As for the picture hook, obvious from the word go that the weak point is the plasterboard, not the hook. Those narrow hooks under a downforce are acting like knife blades cutting their way down. They may be easy to insert but I would not use them - then again I've always been sceptical about fixings that are stronger than the plasterboard in terms of the extra damage that will occur when they fail.
@astronemir
@astronemir 12 күн бұрын
The damage here looks way less than a regular drill in wall hook
@daveknibbs4046
@daveknibbs4046 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant test for these remarkable fixings. Definitely worth trying for future pictures etc Great content as always 👍👍
@anneaires3984
@anneaires3984 5 ай бұрын
I just ordered the 65 lb one for hanging a heavy vintage vanity mirror. Your video is super helpful! Many thanks from across the pond! 😀🇺🇸
@lovelyyy7573
@lovelyyy7573 Ай бұрын
How much does your mirror weigh? I want to hang a 35 lb full length mirror and am wondering if the 65lb ones will work or if I should get wall anchors
@anneaires3984
@anneaires3984 Ай бұрын
@@lovelyyy7573 Good morning! My mirror weighs about 30 lbs. I've yet to hang it though because honestly, I chickened out. I began the project but decided not to because I felt wall anchors would be a better choice and the mirror belonged to my beloved mom & dad and it's very special to me so I chose the old but reliable method. Hope this helps!🌞
@lovelyyy7573
@lovelyyy7573 Ай бұрын
@@anneaires3984 good advice! I will stick to the old method too. Thank you for your help 😊 💕. Have a blessed day
@anneaires3984
@anneaires3984 Ай бұрын
@@lovelyyy7573 Best wishes and you have a lovely blessed day as well friend! ❤️🙏🏼🕊️
@bailgatemethodistchurch9002
@bailgatemethodistchurch9002 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant videos, thank you. Easy to follow, entertaining and informative. Please keep going!
@6panel300
@6panel300 7 ай бұрын
It just goes to show how we over engineer things. A simple no fuss solution like these are great. I will certainly be buying some. Another great video Stuart.
@waynebelfast
@waynebelfast 5 ай бұрын
These look amazing. I've been putting off hanging some pictures because I'm terrible at DIY, but these are definitely getting purchased.
@derpleyew
@derpleyew 8 ай бұрын
Omg the music is so tense while the final weight test is being done 😂 Great video. I bought some of the 7kg ones a while back and haven’t got around to using them yet, but now I am going to make use of them.
@faithingrits
@faithingrits 11 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you for this share! I've got an upcoming craft room project this year and this is super useful. I've not seen these yet in the UK (but not recently looked either). I'll be checking in my local spots for these. I've got a mix of plasterboard stud walls and plasterboard over stone walls. I like to have a "working wall" in front of my craft space for tools; much like in my she-shed workshop with a wall of tools behind my workbench. Like you said, I've had enough of the command adhesive things! I've gone a mix of hooks/pegs/magnetic/cleat in my outdoor workshop. My indoor craft 'tool wall' needs a different kind of thinking and planning. So, Diolch yn Fawr for sharing this tip! My creative thinking is away now with ideas 🤓
@Splits-man
@Splits-man 11 ай бұрын
Pretty impressive actually. Thanks for the heads up Stuart.
@gerryforrester2211
@gerryforrester2211 6 ай бұрын
Was considering these, your vid has ‘nailed it’ for me. Thanks for the great vid.
@whitemoor66
@whitemoor66 11 ай бұрын
Like you i have only recently discovered these and i thought they looked brilliant. Your testing has confirmed that!
@jimleishman4652
@jimleishman4652 11 ай бұрын
Very impressive, and minimal damage to the plasterboard after failing. I'll be getting some of them fittings
@markshaz8691
@markshaz8691 11 ай бұрын
These are bloody genius!
@martinhunt6004
@martinhunt6004 11 ай бұрын
Most splendid Stuart. A good job.
@frostyarnie2941
@frostyarnie2941 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, really informative and entertaining to watch. I’m moving in a couple of months time so these claws will come in very handy indeed. 👍👍
@basfinnis
@basfinnis 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing this. Just what I need.
@apmeehan
@apmeehan 2 ай бұрын
I don't know what I'm more excited by: this new wall fixing (I have about 20 picture frames that I was literally about to start hanging up around my flat, and am so glad I now won't be having to drill 6mm holes all over the walls), or the ingenious dust collection device at 1:19.
@andyc972
@andyc972 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Stuart, I hadn't come across these before, they look like a simple effective solution so well worth knowing about ! I have always used "Toly" hooks, and they're pretty effective and reliable for most pictures and can be used on other types of wall as well. I still tend to use a plug and screw for Mirrors though as they can be very heavy - we have one that is around 20kg. I have also used expanding hollow wall anchors for this, but I have a love hate relationship with these fixtures, so now avoid them if possible !
@markpeam8549
@markpeam8549 11 ай бұрын
Perfect timing - I've got a 1m x 2m painting to put up and wasn't looking forward to using rawlplug(s). I'll give these a go, probably the larger one "just in case". Thanks.
@Theosplaytime
@Theosplaytime 11 ай бұрын
Great little invention, I wish there was something so simple for traditional brick/plaster walls
@k.hussain360
@k.hussain360 11 ай бұрын
Literally thinking the same thing as I watched this video
@Markusbloodpet
@Markusbloodpet 11 ай бұрын
Fischer has a similar product (in German "Bilderkralle"). I'm using them on a traditional wall with thin plaster and wallpaper. Works like a treat.
@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou
@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou 10 ай бұрын
There are perfectly good fixings for plastered masonry in the form of small plastic hooks held to the wall with masonry nails
@nnnbooks1211
@nnnbooks1211 4 ай бұрын
this video was more exciting than some of the marvel movies. thanks for testing :)
@carlhobson1578
@carlhobson1578 11 ай бұрын
What a great simple solution😊
@georgemacdonald5282
@georgemacdonald5282 7 күн бұрын
I was just about to say that you should be wearing safety goggles and then i noticed that you put a pair on, a wee bit late though, but great video and nicely demonstrated, i think i prefer the double sided picture hangers, maybe you could do a test on these, it would great to see how they perform, all the best.
@user-ui1wl4jl3h
@user-ui1wl4jl3h 3 ай бұрын
Wow thank you so much for you sooo great vidéo I tried it and magically was able to do a good job truly Merci! I used a 65 lbs claw hook for a heavy! Frame picture print
@lesthiele4921
@lesthiele4921 11 ай бұрын
Will have to see if they are available in Australia, thanks for the preview Stuart,
@AndrewLumsden
@AndrewLumsden 11 ай бұрын
I've only got solid walls but these look very useful. You could put a couple side by side a few inches apart for heavier loads. I have a very large and heavy mirror that is hung on two double pin X hooks. These appear to be the modern equivalent.
@LiamWelfordPhotography
@LiamWelfordPhotography 9 ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see you hang the max rated load overnight or even longer and see how it holds up.
@marksweetman8765
@marksweetman8765 11 ай бұрын
Considering you weren’t sponsored that was a good review of what seems a good product
@john6203
@john6203 11 ай бұрын
Nice recommendation, never knew these existed 👍
@sih4143
@sih4143 11 ай бұрын
My preference is the Takker pins, same design of the downward force rating, but they come as just the pin first then you can add on a couple of different types hooks if wish to. So on the wall they have a much smaller profile. But I use them without the hook and they hold pictures (glass clip frames and large framed canvas).
@MegaClera
@MegaClera Ай бұрын
Thank you a brilliant demonstration and at last I can hang my mirror and paintings
@MikeSmith-sg9pt
@MikeSmith-sg9pt 11 ай бұрын
Great video, ordering some of those immediately!
@valborchardt3596
@valborchardt3596 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Stuart. We dont have any plasterboard in our house. These old houses are built many many years ago and the bricks are very hard. Drilling a hole in them is a nightmare. But thanks for the video
@TheRorydean
@TheRorydean 7 ай бұрын
I love that you took the them to failure for a true engineering test
@KimmoJaskari
@KimmoJaskari 10 ай бұрын
They're really clever, I picked some up the other week. For heavier stuff, I got some Fischer Duotec pulltoggles, 10 mm - should hold stuff like TV's just fine. And I also picked up some GeeFix UK made ones... they're ludicrous overkill but my home has a long way between studs for some reason, the builders probably skimped... (was before my time). So I may use the preposterously huge GeeFix ones to fasten tool racks in the garage or something.
@AC-gm6bq
@AC-gm6bq 11 ай бұрын
Nice product
@robjames292
@robjames292 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video
@MalcolmJames-sg3zg
@MalcolmJames-sg3zg 11 ай бұрын
love your videos THANKS
@davidcurtis5398
@davidcurtis5398 11 ай бұрын
I like the "way of the hammer". Most likely the company puts the "insert with out hammer" type of instruction because they don't want people that have tried to put them in with a hammer and have hit the hook, trying to return them for a refund. I have the full plaster walls because my house was built in 1948 and then they did a full 1 to 2 inch coat of plaster. Wow, the weight they will take is amazing. I usually use 2 on large pictures. Another good thing I can see is that they can easily be set in line level with each other.
@Harley-ir4er
@Harley-ir4er 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the demo. It's refrehing to see a company playing down the strength of their product in the name of safety.
@muyiwaadebiyi5100
@muyiwaadebiyi5100 4 ай бұрын
Great video, got all the information I need 👍
@silush630
@silush630 10 ай бұрын
What a great idea. I normally use the normal rawl plugs but will use these in future. More stuff like this on the channel for sure
@garulusglandarius6126
@garulusglandarius6126 11 ай бұрын
This product looks good but not cheap for what they are . Excellent as always Stuart 👍
@jonb3311
@jonb3311 11 ай бұрын
Well overpriced for a bit of pressed, bent steel. One of those backstreet workshops in Asia would knock them out for 10pence each and still make a profit. Two quid a pop is paying for the 3M name.
@scottperry8388
@scottperry8388 11 ай бұрын
I know you probably know this but you (UK) call them fixings we (US) call them fasteners (along with many other thing) but we do have fixings too, It's a general word for the sides that go with an entree, so every time you say it I get a little hungry. The first time I watch one of your videos when you said fixings, I though you were going to attach something with an asparagus spear. :)
@joshuapinter
@joshuapinter 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant, as always Stuart. You should add Canadian Amazon links in the future as well. There are dozens of us Canucks! :)
@atko1355
@atko1355 11 ай бұрын
Hi I enjoyed the test you made. It would be interesting to twist the barbs Horizontal to see it the increased area on the plaster bird made a difference. I must admit I would have thought that 3 M would have done this as a twist at the mid point I think would give greater load bearing on the plaster board.
@NikNakGB
@NikNakGB 11 ай бұрын
If you're gonna knock them in with a hammer then it's better to use a socket (the type you'd use for nuts & bolts) as a drift. This enables you to spread the impact more evenly & prevents damage to the hook
@davidmeyer9204
@davidmeyer9204 11 ай бұрын
Thank You
@elminster8149
@elminster8149 11 ай бұрын
I've never drilled a hole to put a picture up. How are these better than normal brass picture hooks with a couple of pins to hammer in?
@kosmasfostinis8017
@kosmasfostinis8017 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for info
@mplussant
@mplussant 11 ай бұрын
…GREAT channel-thx…
@lehiboo
@lehiboo 7 ай бұрын
thanks !
@rpavl
@rpavl 9 ай бұрын
Awesome video
@DennisMathias
@DennisMathias 11 ай бұрын
I think I like these because you don't have to worry about the studs behind the DW.
@xfilion
@xfilion 7 ай бұрын
Hello. Love watching all your videos. I'm an old bloke but have never done DIY embarrassingly. Have you got a video on preparing and painting a room?
@TheGraemeEvans
@TheGraemeEvans 10 ай бұрын
The strength of plasterboard never ceases to amaze me. though for sub 1kg pictures a simple small nail would do just fine. I'd only ever use these fancy brackets for something more substantial like a large mirror maybe.
@KimmoJaskari
@KimmoJaskari 10 ай бұрын
There's no downside to using these, though, and they are way more guaranteed to hold.
@paulwestlake4278
@paulwestlake4278 11 ай бұрын
BTW, if you have bigger pictures, use two hangers Equispaced, and your picture will not keep going crooked, height isn’t as important as getting them equal either side of the centreline.
@stephenschmid492
@stephenschmid492 7 ай бұрын
Yes, they should really make a double hanger as one unit so you don't have to match the height. It's much easier to keep a picture straight when using two hangers.
@paulwestlake4278
@paulwestlake4278 6 ай бұрын
@@stephenschmid492 you don’t need to match the height, only the distance from nominal centre. Try it.
@tassie7325
@tassie7325 6 ай бұрын
3M always produce some amazing products and this is no exception. But, just like you, when it comes to heavier frames I would prefer something a bit more substantial, purely for peace of mind. On the other hand, for smaller frames I will confidently stick to the method that I have been using for many, many years and my father before me, of just using a 30mm pin nail tapped in at a 45 degree(ish) angle to do the trick. It works on the same principle of the 3M hooks of transferring the downward pressure to the plasterboard and it leaves an even smaller hole when removed. The pin nail doesn't look particularly pretty, but neither does the 3M hook, and they are hidden behind the picture anyway.
@robertaitchison9029
@robertaitchison9029 8 ай бұрын
I used to have a print ( on paper) but the frame had a thick glass front panel and weighed a lot. It once fell off the wall on to my gas fire which caused some consternation at the time. This would have been a superb way to prevent that!
@oldcodgerplaysgames9610
@oldcodgerplaysgames9610 11 ай бұрын
Be interesting to see how they compare to a regular 2 pin picture hook
@salttothesea
@salttothesea 6 ай бұрын
So as these don’t go very far past the drywall layer, does that mean there is less risk of hitting a pipe or wire, i.e. can be placed pretty much anywhere? EDIT: you just covered it! 7:48
@2CraftySeniors
@2CraftySeniors 4 ай бұрын
Even on lightweight pictures and such, for larger sized ones, I like to use 2 hangers of whatever type I'm using. That way the picture hangs straight and I don't always have to be fussing with it.
@k.hussain360
@k.hussain360 11 ай бұрын
Great little item, the weight limit is almost certainly down to the Plasterboard. I'd be curious how much weight it could handle if it was screwed into brick, before the actual bracket ripped apart, because neither seem to have deformed under the excess weight.
@CraigRoyK
@CraigRoyK 11 ай бұрын
This is brilliant! The boss is chasing me to put up some pictures, so just ordered a bunch. Further to comments about plasterboard in the stately home! We’re in a barn conversion (not a stately home), but this means that many of the walls are clad in plasterboard. Some however are plastered so we have the challenge of figuring out which is which. I’m not great with “knuckle” test. Do you have a foolproof method of detecting which walls are plaster skimmed drywall clad vs plastered brick or stone?
@jeffborkowski
@jeffborkowski 6 ай бұрын
im curious, in all your years searching for a decent way to hang picture frames and landing on wall anchors (prior to these 3M things) had you ever considered an actual purpose built picture hanger? like Floreat? it would seem to have all the same advantages of these claws and more - they leave behind one small hole in your wall vs two. and they're designed to be installed with a hammer so no issues straining to push in by hand or using off label methods to install. what's better about the claw than a standard picture hanger? this all said, id encourage you to check out beehive picture hangers. in particular if you've got a grouping of frames to hang. newer invention but been out for awhile now and quite good.
@jectaman9393
@jectaman9393 11 ай бұрын
I love it, is there any for concrete or standard brick walls? lastly i built a wooden shed/outside building and would love to use there not only for pictures but for other things, can i use this for a wooden wall? let me know please.
@David-xc4us
@David-xc4us 11 ай бұрын
That’s amazing, when that 33kg failed I thought u was going to end up with a snake bite on ur neck 😂, definitely going to get a pack of these 👍
@jonnyroberts3464
@jonnyroberts3464 11 ай бұрын
These are a great idea. Would these be ok to use on a dot and dab wall too?
@colinmeredith7114
@colinmeredith7114 11 ай бұрын
I was half expecting you to place some CT1 on the back of the 3M clips... ;-)
@KidneyMush
@KidneyMush 10 ай бұрын
Great video, would this work in strammit board?
@c.a.g.1977
@c.a.g.1977 11 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff, Stuart! If I may ask: I am making an oak book case, 260cm wide by 25 cm deep by 40cm high, 3 cm thick. Quite a hefty one. Now it is supposed to be mounted with a French cleat to a plaster board wall. It seems the plaster board is thicker than usual, and I intend to use some screws into the metal studs, but am thinking of screwing the French cleat also into the plasterboard as well. Do you have any thoughts on which plugs I should use for this?
@sleepysamk1400
@sleepysamk1400 11 ай бұрын
Was that pic a “Davinici” 😂😂. As Del Boy would of said 🤣🤣🤣
@Elfin4
@Elfin4 11 ай бұрын
So you could use two with heavy mirrors etc. to spread the load? I think our 60" TV is 23kg in comparison.
@DrDRE4391
@DrDRE4391 10 ай бұрын
The addition of a small nail in the bottom v-notch would be a third point of resistance and help prevent downward migration.
@andyc972
@andyc972 11 ай бұрын
My Dad used to go nuts when every time Mum bought a picture, instead of asking him to put it up she'd just whack a nail in the wall, usually straight above a light switch or socket, as that would look neater ! 🤣
@oldtimefarmboy617
@oldtimefarmboy617 11 ай бұрын
If you had a picture that heavy you could use two or more of the hangers to distribute the weight over two or more places on the wall. Just use multiple shorter string or wire assemblies on the picture to catch each of the hangers.
@dingopisscreek
@dingopisscreek 10 ай бұрын
A couple of panel pins do for me. And I've got 100s of those
@TheHappyKamper
@TheHappyKamper 4 ай бұрын
They now have a 30kg one, I'd be interested to see that tested.
@maxximumb
@maxximumb 11 ай бұрын
Great video about a handy little bit of kit. A video suggestion. How to drill holes in very hard bricks. As well as how to recover from a hole where you can't see the mortar lines behind plaster and the drill bit catches the edge of a brick and then drifts off course into the mortar leaving a wonky or out of alignment hole. This is very annoying when you are drilling the last in a series of holes for brackets or something similar and the last hole just doesn't line up with the rest.
@MrXiaotrick
@MrXiaotrick 11 ай бұрын
I think this is a video potential. I've had the same problem and wound thick electrical tape around the screw to raise it by a few mm.
@have-a-gorepairhero2760
@have-a-gorepairhero2760 10 ай бұрын
I was instructed... 😂 made me laugh
@keesgortmaker1100
@keesgortmaker1100 10 ай бұрын
Just for the fun of it you might try to use 2 of them, say 30 cm distance to see if it will double the load 🙂 Haven't seen them in the Netherlands though..
@davyarthurs
@davyarthurs 11 ай бұрын
My wife’s kind of DIY video!
@WhiteDieselShed
@WhiteDieselShed 11 ай бұрын
Can you repeat the weight tests adding one small blob of "sticks like" or other adhesive? Will that add a decent margin above the values you got? Thanks.
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