This Could CHANGE VR Forever

This is massive news for anyone in the VR spaces! The fact that VR could be getting a more consistent Baseline of quality and features is huge. I'm so excited to see what this VRAF can really do, if you're a dev or a moder let me know what you think about all this.
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[@amadeuscrossing7061]

I’m a software engineer and I have a story to tell that is very dear to my heart. And I would love to bring it to life some day in VR. To know that a tool like this will be available some day, as a solo developer, it brings tears to my eye. I can’t wait 😭

[@pandemonika1]

i believe in ya

[@TurtleMan2023]

I hope you get to do that someday ❤️

[@jizzblasterdan1192]

There’s another studio or person working on a full body physics system. His channel is Nimso something

[@MindOfMadness]

I'll check it out thanks 💗

[@ghowstcrafter9201]

his channel is awsome! not only the guy showcases the features for the vr engine, he also explains it in a very understandable way. watched a lot of his videos as well.

[@lolpl0000]

yeah! nimso is awesome lol.@@ghowstcrafter9201

[@Prospektify]

NimSony

[@MuseNetEnthusiast]

this guy is the goat!

[@Lonelyweirdo96]

I think we’re experiencing a more drawn out version of something that happened when video games were first invented. back then people weren’t as connected or obsessed with gaming the way we are now so we constantly have our eyes on the industry and the things going on there in. I think as long as you remember other people are into this you always have hope for VR. Gaming as we know it was created by random people all passionate about technology. VR as we know it can only be improved by people who share that same passion.

[@No1Comrade]

I remember watching the first trailer for Bonelab and being astonished at the new features shown, and when I bought the game, I played through the story modded and haven’t really touched the game since, I hope the Vr community gets the great big breath of fresh air it needs from this news.

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

I didn't even finish the game because of it's constant ambiguity and lack of the next step where I got tired of trying to figure it out and stopping to check my phone. Terrible structure and I was very disappointed when they wouldn't give me a refund when I spent most of the first 2 hours confused and frustrated. I know I'm only one of very few but, even now I can't even get mods to work so I feel cheated out of a praised game because it never made me happy.

[@fxarachnid4764]

The Marrow Engine is based off of Unity, it isn’t built from the ground up. Also, no game engine *needs* a mod kit, although UE has some objects that most game developers use which makes it a little easier to guess how to mod it, so it won’t really be any easier to mod than any other game engine by itself.

[@sofusensei7397]

I just want Fulldive VR so I can live in Cyberpunk 2077

[@BronamiDev]

Because you specifically asked I have thought about this a lot... (I made the Western Town mod for BoneLab.) If BoneLab has taught me anything it's to not count your chickens before they hatch. And the devil is always in the details. Hypothetically what VRAF is claiming they will offer could be really powerful and slick. But it sounds most attractive right now because we basically don't have any of the details yet. Until the release it's all just dreams and promises. Great video!

[@Souper_OPP4i]

Vr has so much potential if this goes well it will be awesome

[@MindOfMadness]

PS. Please go check out that “Project Third Eye” game, it is so underrated for whats being done it that game :www.youtube.com/@ProjectThirdEyeVR 💗💗💗 Thank you so much for Giving Me A *SINGLE SECOND* Of Your Day!💗You Might like these: ➜ *Black Noir’s Funtime Adventure* | kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3KViapnr71pgbs ➜ *VR Homelander Mod! (Become A Monster 101)* | kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6m5lYCbeMSabq8 ➜ *1 Jedi VS 100 Droids!* | kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHyxd6alrsaAic0

[@wisecrack3461]

As a prospective VR developer (Think the reload scene from PATLABOR but made systemic so you'll be able to build the mech design, cockpit layout, control scheme, keyframe inputs, etc.) I'm definitely much more likely to use a plug-in than a whole new engine. Stress Level Zero really burned a lot of PR by putting out a game solely intended to be modded without full mod support instead of simply releasing a more content rich sequel without the feature updates and putting out the mod tool project/new engine as it's ready.

[@fuglong]

I'm a VR dev and have been for 5 years now. The real issue imo is just the hassle of VR and lack of true heart in recent games. All the actually experienced devs are stuck making medical training or military sims so game quality is suffering for sure; I think a bigger symptom is not many actually innovative, creative, or FUN games are coming out. A game has to be good in foundation and bring something new to the table regardless of VR or not, and a lot of modern games are kind of hollow feeling regardless of VR or not. A VR game has to be even more engaging and truly fun because VR is just a lot of work. At the end of the day you need to motivate your players to come back WAY more than a flatscreen game because instead of reaching over to grab a controller while chilling on the couch most people have to set things up, even for standalone. Move the coffee table, get both controllers, and the headset, "Are they all charged?", "can I even stand or jump around after that workout yesterday?". Even though I spend like 70 hours a week doing VR game dev (half on my own projects, half to keep me from going homeless), I still think for a game to have true success it needs to have a fantastic flatscreen and VR mode. I have yet to see any traditional style "game" (not VRchat) truly succeed in the VR market when it comes to a large, lasting community and I think it's because you need VR/flatscreen cross platform to truly last and go big. Imo this has also yet to be done. No publishers or studios are brave or bold enough to put 100% effort into both flatscreen and VR modes so one is always an afterthought. I personally don't think VR is "there" yet to truly make a game BIG. I love small games that are not meant to be big or make tons of money, don't get me wrong, but the industry is trying to make these expensive heavy hitter VR only games and then when they don't sell great the publisher cuts the studio and cancels VR entirely. These uninspired money grabs and cheap add-ons from inexperienced devs are kind of ruining the industry imo. I guess my tl:dr is if someone wants to make a truly successful VR game, it needs to have a flatscreen mode that is just as good as VR (and vice versa), and don't even try to do VR if no one on your team is capable of doing it well. Hitman VR still makes me mad when I think about how truly awful the implementation is....

[@bobder22]

great video, i was a bit confused by your pronunciation of physics ( I was hearing physX, nvidia's old gpu accelerated physics engine ) but eventually figured it out

[@Shallow2005]

My one and only VR game that still brings me joy since 2019 till now is hotdogs horseshoes and hand grenades or short h3vr

[@ICE0124]

Some corrections: Project third eye is made in unity not unreal engine Im pretty sure stress level zero are not making their own standalone game engine, they are making marrow SDK that people can add onto unity to get the functionality of it inside of unity.

[@Kethra430]

Unreal engine is my favorite! Also, do you know about the Preydog VR injector? Great video, learn some things! Plus one subscriber

[@126theman]

Need more DEEP PCVR games!

[@christianmccauley7340]

No. We don’t. I know PCVR is awesome, but the reality is it’s incredibly alienating to most audiences. The reality is most people don’t have a PC powerful enough to play VR, and most don’t have the money for a PC or a PCVR headset. Standalone, like it or not, is the future. We need more deep _VR_ games. As in, for all of VR.

[@126theman]

@@christianmccauley7340 you ain’t wrong,I just got a powerful enough pc recently. Stand-alone is definitely the future, it’s just disappointing in its current state for me. I’m a big vr-enjoyer but I feel that the whole point of vr (deep immersion) is greatly undermined by these games having shitty graphics/cartoonish styles. So vr needs more deep standalone games, but I really need more deep pcvr games. I think I’ll really enjoy stand-alone in a few generations when it starts to look really good. Know what I mean?

[@Skrenja]

@@christianmccauley7340 Definition of an L take. Flagship experiences are essential in driving a medium forward. All these watered-down standalone games are doing more harm than good for mass VR retention.

[@AwesomeH2100]

Fianly someone realises that bonelab is supposed to be the gmod of vr

[@granthefato340]

id rather a boneworks 2 but oh well, deadFM and hall of the machine king is still there

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

I mean obviously because if it wasn't a sandbox, it's a terrible way to take people on a journey through the story.

[@Skrenja]

... except for that it sucks.

[@t00nz]

video was amazing and in depth, defintely earned a sub

[@knaki2897]

I was excited for this game but now I can’t wait I need it now just one more month

[@GreyMatterShades]

If you're talking about Wanderer, it's coming out June 27, so a few months away.

[@Calakapepe]

VRAF is already ready to use though. i don't think this counts as just hope.. sounds like something that is going to be a great tool for those that already have unreal engine knowledge

[@brupmoment8859]

Here is the thing with Bonelab.. IT IS GMOD BUT IN VR! but just like gmod, stuff can get boring if you dont have any mods.. bonelab was developed as a 30/30/30 type game, (30% campaign/ 30% physics/ 30% sandbox) Also, gmod has inbuilt multiplayer, adding stuff like gmod rp servers all of that, you have to get a code mod for bonelab, which is called fusion, on PC? its really eazy to mod, but on quest? which is like 50% of the people that play bonelab? its terrifyingly difficult. So, TLDR; (Bonelab is THE gmod in vr, But it gets boring after awhile..no matter what.) *will edit if i have anymore ideas :)*

[@Bootleg1089]

hoping to get access to vraf, has crazy potential

[@WompieTunes]

bro I watch this video thinking you had like atleast 100k subscribers. I was sorely mistaken! Taken my sub!

[@Sporepool]

This vid was great!

[@VaydenMan]

God, this all makes me think about Zenith, so much potential thrown away for a cheap ass cash grab of a mobile game, really wish it went somewhere, rest in peace armageddon

[@EGoat]

VR games I feel like are only gimmicks and games are not MADE for VR. Just ports or "reimagine" aspects of older games which I don't mind, but it doesn't bring in that big shock and awe to say "Oh, we should get a VR for THIS GAME specifically." It doesn't have enough appeal because players will go "Oh, well I can get this experience, but on PC. So what's the point?" Games like BoneLab and BoneWorks are great because they are made FOR VR and nothing else. Other games are coming out and they are adding in features you could only do in VR, but sometimes it feels like lots of games right now are just simulations of physics and graphics in VR. But there are exceptions like Half-Life: Alyx, where they are putting in 40+ hours in a SinglePlayer game that has modding capabilities and the game is MEANT for VR only. But the baseline for me personally is Half-Life: Alyx and until a game can blow me away the same way that game did, lots of others are "all bark, no bite." Note: Ghost of Tabor shouldn't have won VR of the year in 2023. It's a early access title that only won because of the trend of Extraction Shooters being more common now. Same thing would have happened if VR was in this state, but during the Battle Royal trend.

[@samkedwards2032]

This is a very exciting development indeed!! It could make VR development much more accessible. Also, Wanderer an "old PSVR game"? 🤣It's main playerbase was PCVR and it came out in 2022...It also was a finalist for VR GOTY. I'm very surprised you havent heard of it haha.

[@calebbowen6406]

physacs

[@nickboi9740]

right. pissing me off as fuck

[@bladebladevr2683]

11:04 "its not even funny" l a u g h s

[@BOBSON-nf7kd]

Bonelab and boneworks are made in unity

[@Chromixxxx]

Man we need more games like Asgard Wrath 2 problem with that game for me is im not a fan of the setting and themes but the systems and gameplay mechanics are unmatched thats what would really hook me back in a game with alot of great content i return to my quest 3 a couple times a week but it always feels like every game is a tech demo or a 30 minutes of fun kind of experience we need more games that are highly deep in mechanics and replayable thats what would hook me or even just a longer game with a good story that i could play for hours. I dont really care about the physics or body tracking if theres no good content to a game.

[@tower7314]

This sound so good wow

[@cloudoncloud9940]

is the eyelid tracking and so on only for psvr2 ? or will that engine also be available for games on meta quest 3

[@GreyMatterShades]

Quest 3 doesn't have any sort of eye-tracking features, but that system should work with any headset that has eye-tracking. Right now that's PSVR 2, Meta Quest Pro, Apple Vision Pro, and a few obscure PC VR headests (HTC Vive Pro Eye?). It should become more common in the future though.

[@einfangirl2351]

i dunno what you are getting at with bone lab not having the legs atach to the wall . like i took a few screenshots where i hung on a ledge and my characters legs are pressed against the wall. admitidly it's like magnets on my soles but it works

[@ZXNTV]

I'm pretty sure Gmod has a VR mod, not sure why that's not more popular?

[@TogenTheMamagen]

Ngl the only reason i havent played bomelab was because the community was toxic to me and there arent any sdk updates, or updates to the game. yes we have bonelab fusion but it wasnt that due to the performance, maybe ill come back someday if they update and stuff.

[@cmac37420]

Tldr; Stress Level 0 is trying to _create_ an engine, whereas VRAF is trying to expand upon an *existing* engine (Unreal 5)

[@GreyMatterShades]

I agree this is very exciting. I've been saying for a while now that VR developers need to start sharing/licensing their gameplay systems if VR is ever going to advance. It makes no sense to my why a new VR developer would (for example) build their own melee combat system. So many have tried, and most have wound up with sub-par results, so why not try to license the code from one of the handful of developers who's done it successfully already. Developers could save years, and spend that time iterating/improving on the code they got, as well as building more content and improving the level of polish in the game. One thing I'd caution before you get too hyped for it, is that it's possible that some of what you see Wanderer: The Fragments of Fate wouldn't be included with VRAF. I'm sure Mighty Eyes is using the VRAF system to build Wanderer, but stuff like pouring the liquid out of the bottle might be considered content for that game, not systems to include in VRAF. So developers might still have to implement that stuff themselves. Oh and building a quest system is generally pretty easy as I understand it. The reason they don't get used in most VR games is because the developers don't have the resources to make that sort of open-world/non-linear type of game that would need such a system. It's not a matter of the challenges with building a quest system (multiple objectives, journal to track them, etc.), but rather that they would then have to build all the quests themselves, and structure your game to take advantage of them. That's where the challenge lies. Also making quests completable in different ways can make a quest system more complex, but that's still more about the quests themselves.

[@MindOfMadness]

that makes a lot of sense about quest systems. Thanks for sharing! 💗💗💗

[@sipsopgamera7624]

I think TWD S&S has a pretty good quest system, I don't really know what it's missing.

[@CptCthulhu]

Sail Vr could change this!

[@Scopedninjapc]

dude what is that cable you are using it looks very restricting lol, mine is over 16ft you should get one then you can move around more freely

[@respectvetman]

im ur 1 thousand subscriber

[@3dplays5]

this is so amazing you deserve more subscribers

[@CrusaderJacky]

Sadly, I wouldn’t really know because I never really tried it. Been wanting to though.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

I'm so spoiled by H3VR's gunplay. After that no gun in any game felt as good.

[@Kongouuu]

Your video is really well structured, but your microphone has the most annoying frequencies and buzzing. Hope you can fix it soon!

[@bonnie2537]

this makes me sad but happy at the same time because it looks cool but I don't want these to replace bonelab if that's what this is about.

[@christianmccauley7340]

OG VR nerd here, or you could say so at least. I tried the rift dev kit at my friends birthday as a kid in 2016. Fell in love, got a quest one for my birthday, and started to learn how to develop games. Yeah no I am dead.

[@christianmccauley7340]

It wasn’t always this way. It’s been a desert the last year, but only the last year. It will pick up again, as it always does.

[@Millticker]

I don't think an engine should include a quest system, that's really up to the developers, if an engine does everything for a dev anyone trying to print out a game without putting in effort will use that engine and it will start to be known as a sign for a bad game

[@lf-inkk]

A big thing i wanna see is dynamic drip physics It works with a blade and sorcery mod where you and other enemies will have a point your attacked at tracked and blood will dynamically spill down from that point till it reaches a curve or drop off and then it will drip and splat on the floor or even on your hand if you hold it under the drip point Something like this but maybe for like pouring water on things, bleeding etc. Would be really cool to see in this engine and i would hope that its possible without tanking performance but i wouldnt be surprised if its not possible with the resources vr has as of right now

[@impireon]

Wait till he finds Nimso studios

[@sen02_]

grinn, i know you’re tired of me, i’m sorry 😞. but… there’s a new area in let it die i would love for you to cover it because i can’t quite access it yet. it’s called neo d.o.d. miss you papa ❤

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

I'm guessing you either haven't tried survival Nation or weren't talking about it when you mentioned fetch quests. They do get old and Survival Nation needs less of them and more of everything else.

[@Tommyboi7566]

As a solo dev this makes me happy because VR game dev is pain...

[@uliveulearnandregret]

is this out yet?

[@Millticker]

1:00 tf are you doing to that hat???? 😭

[@mahuba2553]

i feel like i cant afford it :)

[@RaskaTheFurry]

we dont want good enough to release.... WE WANT SOMETHING, ANYTHING.... it has been so long after last patch.... last patch was like a year ago...

[@flamingscar5263]

while there is nothing wrong with getting excited, lets temper that excitement this is a plugin for Unreal, Unreal is a great engine, but its heavy, its harder to run then unity, this is why unity has such a strong footing in VR, the quest 2 and 3 are the VR market, not supporting those without having the backing of a company like Sony means just happily losing out on most of your sales, Unreal can run on quest, its not incompatible, but you will need to do more optimization to get it running smoothly, this could counteract any time savings VRAF saves you I'm all for this don't get me wrong, unity as a company has shown that they are not trustworthy, ever since they announced their pricing changes last year and turned literally the entire gaming industry against them, it has had me worried of VR just dying because unity kills itself, and with how much of a reliance on unity VR has I could see a massive amount of devs giving up on VR, but this all relies on unreal being light enough to run on quest, and Epic Games doesn't seem to be all that interested in making unreal lighter weight, everything Epic has been adding makes Unreal heavier and heavier so I'd keep excitement in check, this could end up a nothing burger due to using unreal, not many games on quest use unreal so I can't say how well or poorly it runs, just that it does run worse then unity which could be enough to keep some devs away

[@bedner23]

I liked the video but brother, get to the point and land the plane lol. This video could've been much shorter and your viewer retention would be higher.

[@nolifenoble1864]

2:40 what game is this? Looks cool

[@P1NK21]

It’s the same game he is showing in the entire video

[@PSking_]

What is the avatar at 2:05?

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

might be John Marston

[@vogeltwo1051]

Wait isnt this the Let It Die guy?

[@MindOfMadness]

shhh

[@cambro69420]

do you know how to say "physics" there is no "e" in the word

[@thedefender4827]

Phys-X two different things

[@cambro69420]

exactly 2 different things, he isnt saying "phys-x"@@thedefender4827

[@Narwhal12]

Comment for the algorithm

[@deathvulture5974]

Im tired of downgraded pc ports or cr games, im tired of them downgrading them for the quest and using it as the version for pc, like they did with onward, these days it seams most vr games just are shovelware for meta systems

[@krispyair]

Physecs

[@RightistRight]

Hey dude check out tactical assault vr the ai is much better

[@Loggerten]

It's pronounced "Physics" not "Phys-X"

[@SargonDragon]

I believe he is referring to nVidia PhysX. Or any similar system. In the same manner that people use "band-aid".

[@Loggerten]

@SargonDragon No, Nvidia PhysX isn't in any of the games he's talking about and is hardly used anymore.

[@Gherkins]

@@SargonDragonif we used nvidia physX for general physics application, it wouldn’t work.

[@Loggerten]

He's just pronouncing the word wrong. And he does it about 100 times.

[@MoxxieYT]

Ermmmm actually (lol that's you)

[@Budderluvr]

skyrim vr has a good quest system. but thats cheating lol

[@priscillaquinn9505]

I think this is a bad idea the whole problem with the games industry right now is that all the games look the same because they're all on the unreal engine the last thing we need is all VR games looking the same

[@GreyMatterShades]

I don't think the VR tools offered would change the way a game looks. It's more about handling the basic VR stuff, like making objects easy to pick up, making physics work properly, handling the way your body moves when you turn your head or move your controllers, etc. Taking care of the basic stuff means developers would have more time and resources to dedicate to more important stuff (like refining their gameplay systems or making more content).

[@Atlas_966]

I feel that you don’t understand what bonelab is trying to do, and comparing it to a game like Wanderer is not right. Bonelab is trying to make a fully physics based world and body, no bullshit animations or anything. All physics from the way you move to the way NPC’s walk with full physics. Wanderer looks great on paper, but I think you fail to recognize that it’s highly faked and helped with systems that defeat the complete physics based world. Wanderer is trying to make a smooth feeling VR game, but that comes at the cost of loosing fully physical interactions. Bonelab on the other hand uses physics where ever it can, whether it be the NPC’s, melee combat, or guns which literally fires a projectile with a trigger volume at a high velocity. Bonelab is trying to push VR by making everything you see physics based, and make it feel good, while on the other hand Wanderer is trying to greate a polished VR game that feels good to play, but in reality isn’t that groundbreaking as it’s just using polished mechanics that have been seen 100’s of other times in other VR games. Also why do you say PhysX?? It’s not special, it’s the default unity physics engine and is not very interesting. Also also, please stop using the exact same footage across a 23 minute video. It’s highly repetitive and makes people want to quit watching.

[@Atlas_966]

Last comment, I’d like to add, Wanderer is a narrative game with no sandbox or room for creative building and play, making the replay value next to none.

[@MindOfMadness]

hi, yeah i agree with the gameplay loop being a bit Repetitive, as far as How I say physics i cant help you there, There's a lot of moving parts and things to juggle when creating a video by my self and something is bound to slip out less then perfect, so if that to much for you might not like future videos because I'm not perfect, but i do the best i can. and as far as what you said about bonelab goal of making an full Physics based engine, all i have to say is that was not my point, my core point is that after hearing Stress level zero's reason for not updating bonelab it seamed very similar to what this company is also trying to do with VRAF, im not saying that this is just like bonelab but simply seeing the parallel of both companies approach to the question at large. thank you for your time.

[@Noaski5]

its physics not phaysics

[@waffler-yz3gw]

bonelab bad

[@chippdbanjo]

straight up lying

[@Atlas_966]

@@chippdbanjoAgreed.

[@fuxxxie]

the most advanced vr game i have played so far is a p**n game. no im not kidding, no im not just talking about the lewd physics, i mean actual vr tech... its....insane, the devs behind it are geniuses, and the fact that its multiplayer ready with that kind of collision physics system is just insane. and the fact that it has gianni metragrano in it as a character blows my mind even further. what a legend. those of you who know, know.