This crash should have never happened! XL Airways Germany Flight 888T November 27, 2008

[@Ech7777]

Congrats on getting your KZbin channel to the point you can get sponsored. 100LL isn’t getting any cheaper! 😂 keep up the good work!

[@ronrogers]

You got that right (100LL) Thanks!

[@PaulLoveless-Cincinnati]

You are only the second person to talk about mechanical backup and how it is different than direct law. The first person I heard talk about it was Mentor Pilot.

[@Timeandspac]

Sadly we still have some guys flying airbus around without understanding how their protection systems really work, is just matter of time for something bad to happen again, well hopefully not, this is a great channel, thanks for that Cap!

[@gcorriveau6864]

I agree. I flew A320 'family' for several thousand hours and yet - Ron's United Airlines four Hexagons diagram of Flight Laws is the clearest and best summary of Flight Laws I've ever seen! It is taking way too long for Airbus&Airlines&Authorities to get this kind of clear info to the pilots! Also - the current status of Flight Law shouldn't require a Legal Degree to figure out in real time. It's much too subtle in the displays etc..

[@dks13827]

not at United !!! they only hire the very BEST !!!!!!!!!!

[@Timeandspac]

@@dks13827 haha I will not put my hands on the fire for that, specially now, they hire some good some questionable and some politics as well xD, or you can ask the 76 that was total a few months ago… the very best with 190.. hours of IOE and 5 checkride failures…. Hmmm I will not call that the very best :) and no worries is not only United…

[@Timeandspac]

@@dks13827 I will ask that to the 76 that was total a few months ago during IOE… 190 + hours of IOE and 5 checkride failures 🤭… I will not say more because KZbin freedom of speech laws won’t let it happen hehe 😁

[@dominiquebannister8349]

Captain Rodger’s you are the best. Your videos are the highlight of my days thank you so much for all you do.

[@ronrogers]

My pleasure

[@lsx_moe]

Congrats on the sponsorship Ron! Airplane insurance isn’t cheap. Really enjoy your content, especially your accident breakdowns!

[@jcheck6]

My insurance renews in June, says expect an increase.

[@dougfraser77]

My father knew Brian Horrell, a fine pilot for Air NZ. A real shame they all had the mindset of 'demonstation' rather than 'test' and were not ready for anything to wrong.

[@thejasonknightfiascoband5099]

For the 1st time I watched an ad in its entirety on YT Lol. That was well done, sir 👍 i hope you're making some good $$$

[@ronrogers]

That is funny! 😄 I’ll let you know on the making money part 🤣🤣🤣

[@AaronHarberg]

me too, I usually skip through them

[@SEOTeamBerlin]

#metoo 😂👍🏽

[@kevinfoley8105]

I want my "I Digress" T shirt!

[@markcampanelli]

I really appreciate these examples where automation gets “fooled”. I’ve seen several KZbin accident reviews where the autopilot puts, say, the elevator trim in an extreme position and then “pops off” suddenly, leaving the pilot with a very misconfigured plane PLUS a large startle factor. Is any work being done to prevent autopilots for putting the pilots into such “corners”?

[@jmp.t28b99]

Excellent video. Reversion to basic airmanship should have helped and might have prevented this accident. Over dependency on the use / understanding of flight computers seems to have played a big role in this sad accident.

[@guisousa7139]

Great presentation, Ron!

[@nikamichi]

Great to see you getting a sponsor Ron!

[@md11pilot11]

Hi Ron, glad to see your channel growing, it’s fantastic. I’m just a brand new half wing but I’ve been showing your videos to many of our colleagues and my friends. Thank you for providing so many great stories and flying lessons to help us all be better pilots out there.

[@ronrogers]

Fantastic and thanks! I went from a half wing to a 35 year pin in what seems like a very short time. Enjoy the ride, you'll have a great time!

[@md11pilot11]

Amazing! Thank you, loving every second of it!

[@mrkc10]

Another good one Ron. Yup sounds like these guys were definitely out of their element. I like the pizza analogy. Lot going on there with the computers.

[@MikeJamesMedia]

Thank you so much, Ron, for these "why" stories. This unfortunate set of circumstances is something all pilots should know more about.

[@icebluecuda1]

Great discussion. As a big 3 bus CA, I think all of us should have this level of information of systems and aero available for study. I had it in the military on my plane.

[@cornbread83]

Congrats on the sponsor Ron!

[@CapitalismSuxx]

This tragedy really shows how insidious it is with too much automation, protections and modes. The aircraft had two faulty sensors it trusted, and thus the aircraft had a completely faulty situational awareness and the pilots had only two vaguely related hints of something wrong. Yes, they should have picked up on SOMETHING being wrong, but also, the aircraft should not have been able to rely on that faulty data. The most tragic thing about this is that the pilots were so over confident in the airplane (never trust an airplane just out of maintenance!!!) they chose to do this kind of stupid shit at very low altitude. Stall scenarios are supposed to be at altitude for This! Exact! Reason!!

[@SEOTeamBerlin]

I just found this video today, never heard of XL Germany 👻 - and very informative as all of Ron's videos 🤩👍🏽

[@ronrogers]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@--Dani]

I understand that they should have protected the AOA sensor, one would think there should be a drain for such water, going through rain at close to cruise speed one would think water could also enter that sensor...

[@CapitalismSuxx]

Airbus redesigned the sensor so now it drains better. It did drain before, just not enough to prevent this.

[@AaronHarberg]

Thanks Ron! Looking forward to your thoughts on the PSA 727 unfortunate disaster in San Diego. After every incident something is always learned that makes flying safer in the future.

[@dks13827]

I am not an airline pilot.........but I have read several of these AOA crashes......... I would fly attitude.... and say 80 percent power.......... should work every time.

[@rogerrees9845]

Another informative presentation.....Thank you ....Roger...Pembrokeshire UK

[@charleskiel2299]

Captain, I am wondering if it would be possible for you to cover the crash of Korean Air Cargo 8509. It's an example of when culture and lack of crm causes catastrophe. I'd be extremely interested in your take on it.

[@ronrogers]

Will do. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@CLR2TKF]

Yes that was a sad accident. The FO does not have to sit there and allow the captain to put the flight in danger. I like how British Airways does their CRM in teaching FOs warning signs to look out for. The JetBlue flight where the captain went nuts and had to be removed is another good example that fortunately didn't end in tragedy thanks to an assertive FO.

[@CapitalVideo]

Thanks for explaining that as I definitely recall it happening and had wondered how a supposedly experienced aircrew managed to total a seemingly airworthy aircraft with a total loss of life to all on board. I was dubious of Air New Zealand's choice of abandoning their Boeing 737's, some of which I had worked on in 1970/71 with respect to calculating weight and balance parameters, and instead substituting them with full sized computer game toys.

[@bobcfi1306]

Very interesting. Recurring theme.Good pilots are only good when they are operating inside of their training and experience envelope. Thanks

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Why do the tests at such low altitude? If they had been higher, could the stall have been recovered?

[@ronrogers]

They would have had a much better chance.

[@parkburrets4054]

No kidding about needing competence and skills for these maintenance flights…I was fortunate to work extensively with the professionals in FedEx’s flight test department. Also got lots of stories about military flying…

[@gcorriveau6864]

"Automation Willl Saaaave Ussss" - what a dangerous (Titanic!) mindset. As demonstrated by trying to test Alpha Floor at only 3,000 feet! WTH!!!??

[@johnallen9819]

Operational check flight or test flight? Is Attd Indicator/ gyro input used to compare angle of attack data?

[@Plydrms]

I have my A319 in X Plane 11. Its "full study," and very challenging. Did you have a lot of computer malfunctions in the real airplane, and what type problems were most common?..thanks

[@ronrogers]

I had no flight computer problems and actually very few issues.

[@Plydrms]

@@ronrogers good thing, seems like could kill you! An AA pilot published some "Airbus notes" online. It's very helpful for my simulator. You have great content, thank you.

[@Plydrms]

on the Airbus MCDU, how do you enter a crossing restriction "XX" miles from the fix?..e.g, "cross 35 miles this side of PVD at 11,000."

[@tonymcflattie2450]

Captain Ron, do a video on Boeing vs Airbus? Pros and cons and which one you enjoyed flying the most

[@jcheck6]

I'll you with that Tony. It's the current aircraft you are flying that is the best. Now being retired, I'll say the Airbus.

[@TimPeterson]

it might not be a good idea to tell pilots to add power and pull up in a stall and just rely on the computer. I thought you were supposed to pitch forward and reattach the airflow before slowly adding power

[@gzk6nk]

You are. You gotta get that AoA back below the critical angle. The elevator is your AoA control.

[@bobbymccoy702]

I digress quite a bit more often these days. All thanks to Ron Rodgers.. Talley Ho

[@MrGuzmanra]

Brought to you by ....

[@joefin5900]

Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong........Better flying through automation.

[@stephanprotzen6030]

Shouldn’t all crashes never happen ?

[@johnstudd4245]

Was this a flight in VFR conditions? with a functioning airspeed indicator? computers be damned.....fly the freakin airplane.

[@InvertedFlight]

OK it should say 'I digress' on the front, but on the back it should say 'I hope you found it informative'.

[@ronrogers]

Good point!

[@jcheck6]

@@ronrogers When will the shirts be ready?

[@ronrogers]

Not sure. Waiting on my supplier

[@johnstudd4245]

Who knew you had to be a lawyer to fly a plane.

[@SimonWallwork]

If you get the THS into the wrong position for the regime og flight you are in- you've entered a world of shit- and will remain there until you fix it.

[@jcheck6]

@@bobwilson758 Bob, THS "Trimable Horizontal Stablizer"

[@kimcooper4751]

Using wife's phone today not her opinions Ok I have to say that sounds like a dream job a SR 71 test pilot but I kind of think every flight of a SR 71 is a test in one way or another the altitudes and speed adding the heat generated has to create some really different flight conditions every flight well every military test pilot has my upmost respect let alone any military pilot I was infantry but couldn't do my job without them I/E live

[@fleetwin1]

It's like I always say to our airbus guys: "you gotta be better at running a computer than flying an airplane, or these things will get away from you...." Needless to say, am only an FA, but have surely heard of enough of these situations to make this uneducated statement. Again, I know nothing, but wouldn't it have been better to just shut off all the mixed up computers and fly the crippled aircraft manually?

[@ronrogers]

That is essentially where they ended up but with a stab so out of trim they had issues controlling the aircraft.

[@fleetwin1]

@@ronrogers Such a needless trajedy, may they rest in peace...

[@onkelfabs6408]

Unfortunately accidents do also happen here in Deutschland.

[@FrankMartin-z1m]

Horrible airmanship by these pilots totally inexcusable

[@saintgiles]

Me thinks Ron doth digress too much.

[@ronrogers]

For sooth!

[@fjp3305]

The airplane that cannot be crashed.

[@johannesbols57]

B...b...b...but I thought Airbus was PERFECT!? I thought it was just Boeing that makes stupid mistakes! That what mainstream media tells me! Is the AOA part of the preflight check list?

[@ronrogers]

Other than looking at the vane, there is no preflight and with this situation, they would not have seen anything wrong.

[@angelorobel12]

I'm sorry but perhaps the media have lied to you about Airbus being perfect. No aircraft manufacturers have a perfect history.

[@silverdrillpickle7596]

Veggie pizza analogy was perfect in every way! 🫡