This English Strategy Is Absolutely Disgusting

[@darkapable]

"insuficient wood, words that you wouldn't want to hear from any woman" LMAO Drongo you made me spill my coffee

[@KobuCake]

that was pixel

[@Ismaelz]

This can't be nerfed. It requires skill and delivered a really fun game to watch.

[@Cabelius]

First week playing this game and i´ve been playing this by instinct. Has it been nerfed in this last year?

[@DaLoler1]

​@@Cabelius I didn't see it much in pro play recently since the meta has changed but if it's your first week it's still effective up to gold or maybe even above.

[@kiro253]

skill? wtf what skill is in that?

[@kiro253]

clever? yes..but not skill lol

[@jonathankelly4222]

Sure the push was “disgusting”, but it was also well executed, slow, methodical, and well designed. Kudos to the player. He executed very well and never got overly ambitious. GG’s!

[@dynamo1796]

This was definitely one of the more exciting ends to a match - you've got two fairly well balanced players, some great tactical decisions and a race for the landmarks at the end!! Awesome to see the differences in economy and unit choices too. Core going hard on the unit ball and Striker with the long range sniper rifle that is the English Treb. Great game and a close run match!

[@male_maid5951]

@@dynamo1796 i wonder if u just got like 6-7 mangos if tht would work vs the trebs

[@lyndonbauer1703]

@@male_maid5951 I was thinking a ram/mango combo would've countered archers/trebs/walls quite well.

[@jonathankelly4222]

The dock from Core at 9:40 ish was absolutely amazing. He snuck that in behind the push back of the archers. Top level micro and awareness of players on how long they think they can push the archers off and knowing they can run a couple vills up and get it built. Absolutely blew me away that all of a sudden after a relatively quick engagement POOF! He as a dock.

[@tim_nextvolleyball]

OMFG! The insufficient wood cracks at the end had me rolling! Well casted well played!

[@CineGoodog]

Good decision from Corey to do a Base race at the end, he actually got a chance there. Trebutchets are so underrated in this game, he could easily counter he trebuchet pull with trebuchet of his own, yeah English have better trebuchet but you can actually destroy a trebuchet if you pick they by surprise with 5 of your own

[@CrispyChristieMAC]

you're not "surprising" an english professional player with your trebs, that might work in diamond and below though

[@vmchawla]

Drongo been watching you almost all your videos. They are awesome! Really appreciate the 4k uploads. With youtube compression 1080p looks really blurry. Thank you!

[@jonathankelly4222]

English outposts look the coolest. They look like mini castles.

[@104FREDRICK]

"Keep in mind he didn't die" Always one of my key metrics when I am trying to figure out if I am ahead.

[@littlenick2559]

Really exciting game! Strike could have mixed in a few stone wall towers with his walls to give the trebs the network of castles bonus as well, would have been filthy dpm

[@tkpenalty]

Core got too focused on the treb creep when he could have punished with raiding strikers base earlier

[@superawesome11212]

Couldn't you do men at arms in siege towers to drop onto the walls and flood behind to push the trebs back, then bombards to blast the walls? Or rams bombards to break the walls then flood in infantry or pop trebs with springalds or culverin? Or an earlier counterattack. This strat didn't look that broken to me but maybe I'm wrong.

[@viktorianas]

For me first idea was to make many rams and just push these walls down, Archers would not do much against rams...

[@jdawg7374]

I think that could of worked, but Core never had the wood economy to support a counter strategy like that

[@ryanrhoades7828]

I feel like at this point against English you're probably going to want to immediately send a scout directly towards their base to check for incoming MAA.

[@kivikall]

This may be obvious for you but as a AOE noob I need to ask. At 19:00 when Striker is making another mining camp what's the point really? I was also thinking why he makes so many lumber camps but that I can somehow understands because woods moves away as you chop it down but it's not like mining source is going anywhere. Is it a fact that there are so many villagers that it actually makes a difference to have two different drop off points so that villagers don't block each other or am I missing something very obvious. Thank you! :) EDIT: Actually I modify my question little. Gold vein had very little left so I can't possibly think why he did that but if it would have been almost full gold vein is that really a viable thing to do? Like I'm sure someone did math behind it that extra walking is costly... Anyways, these are good videos to learn something about this game :)

[@jdawg7374]

The idea is that because there are Romany villagers, they are on multiple sides of the vein so you place a camp for each side. One time I was playing with someone who put 4 camps around the vein to save time between where they mine and the camp

[@Tim06TR]

Idea for stonewalls: Damage overspill to adjacent walls. Makes realistic cool holes and nerfs them.

[@billypilgrim1]

Stone walls are not that strong, why would you nerf them?

[@skiingisIife]

What a great game! I was on edge of my seat the entire back half of the game. Do walls have to be nerfed again, or just trebuchets? Maybe it would balance things if walls took longer to construct?

[@scootypuffjr.6042]

your counter is to get a dock, use a ship to land units and slap his main base before he gets yours?

[@FamilyVan_]

English is so fun with the recent patch. Network of castles is 🔥

[@DerDudelino]

I absolutely love pros who know how to wall-in. This is way too rare and it was such a delight. Age of Empires 4 is such a unique game that this english gentleman used at the finest.

[@Dawnrim]

About the comment on casualties happening during retreats: In the old kind of war where melee weapon wielding soldiers met each other line vs line it’s correct that the retreat was the part of the battle seeing the high casualties, especially if it was a disorganized retreat or a full route. The reason was usually the winning side would then deploy their cavalry reserves that could ride down infantry out of line. In modern war though, the huge casualties happen when forces leave cover to attack without properly having suppressed or destroyed the defenders and get countered by artillery. napoleon Bonaparte is famous for having taken full advantage of this, using horse drawn artillery that could quickly be moved to where the enemy was on the move and exposed. And an example as recent as they come: the Ukrainians did the same thing against the Russians trying to cross the Siversky Donets river three days ago apparently wiping out an entire battalion in one go.

[@SendarSlayer]

Very very few armies could pull off a false retreat as well. It was nearly impossible to communicate that to everyone and then have them all turn around to face the enemy again at the right time. Often false retreats would simply turn into routs. That's why the Mongols were so successful. A fucking brilliant usage of flags and runners to create a medieval radio system that could relay information without it being intercepted.

[@daitokayoya9168]

1:38 the Ottoman is coming, past Drongo

[@vkkoorchester666]

the ottomans! he knew all along!

[@WhoAmi2357]

Trebuchet conters Stone Wall. If the enemy is abusing Stone Wall and you make insufficient Trebuchet. There's nobody to blame but yourself.

[@theviewer1423]

wall and treb creep is hilarious

[@Kakadeen]

Couldn't core use his villagers to kill the trebs once the base race started? All his archer were away from the front line

[@zainqasmi]

Yea I think so. Especially you see at 41:13 archers crossing the woodline so there was definitely a bit of gap there and trebs were completely helpless during base race

[@TheHappy115]

Honestly, the walls are more annoying because they don't have any priority at all. So when you fight against wall spam, you have to individually target each one and its super easy to just reconnect them (along with high health). More often I find that I break through a wall and it gets repaired which bugs the hell out of my units. It diverts a lot of attention for dealing with considering it doesn't take to much effort from the opposite side. I feel a solution could involve having non-finished walls have "normal" priority for siege (similar to gates). Siege will priortize gates as a normal structure but not walls and if you A+Move somewhere, you siege will often just faceplant on opponent walls (which is really bad when they can't fire melee range). Obviously the lack of siege doesn't make it as much of an issue this game, but when you get a moderate sized siege force, it still becomes annoying since you still can't deal with multi-layered stone walls to effective when being somewhat contested.

[@kur0sh1]

Noob here. Is a fast longbowman into battering ram a good strat if you wanna rush asap with the english?

[@alexandrugajin763]

Not really. Usually you want to use your military to protect the rams and force the opponent to deal with your military or the rams, or split their military with both wich is all in your favor. You can if they don't have any units and you want to kill a TC for ex. To spam your archers In and outside the rams in case he takes out his villegers to take out the rams, you take out the archers and kill them, if they go back inside the TC you get your archers back in the rams to protect them. But usually. Unless you're playing against a noob, investing super early in rams and archers is very wood costing, with will not work in 1v1 unless you're playing against a noob. Maybe in 4v4 where you can team up with another 2 from your team to rush one guy. Wich can also fail, because the other 3 will age up faster, since you need to invest alot of wood in making rams that early.

[@KeeperCharlie]

cant he counter it by using counter trebs? also maybe he coulda took out the villagers repairing and use market to get wood to repair and go for the long hull.

[@BGQB7]

Talking about wrong landmark name, sometimes all the landmarks are called cathedral of st. Thomas, no matter which faction you play xD

[@Lessen0]

Has that men at arms charge speed boost always been a thing? Does it apply to all infantry or just men at arms? All civs? Does it work the same way as knights charge (cooldown-wise)? I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned as a mechanic anywhere.

[@houstonclinch585]

All unites except siege pretty much

[@houstonclinch585]

And archers

[@ketansahadew8218]

"Two words you never want to hear from any man or woman!" Hahahaha, Drongo is the best!

[@polemisch1046]

What the fuck.. The end was fking amazing. Never seen something like this. Crazy..

[@Trubripes]

What to do in that situation ? A dock and 2 transports to get the men at arms across the river, gg.

[@PrestonG.]

Insufficient wood, the two words you don't wanna hear from any man.. Drongo you dirty man 🤣

[@lievenpetersen]

would be cool if this made siege towers relevant

[@MultiReptilian]

this game makes me feel that this is the 1500 striker and another 1500 core

[@Nisenziart]

simply getting few more bombards or even trebuchets to counter that would be super easy to stop his advance....no need to nerf already paper thin stone walls

[@mikelowery6227]

How do you get a an at arms if the game just started?

[@axeldesaintalbin4922]

frankly i'm surprised Striker didn't put his longbows up on the walls ... couldn't they have protected his villagers as they built the next line of defense ? edit : oh wait he does it at 40:45 ... still wondering why he didn't do it earlier ...

[@kyleegginton5884]

He probably didn't think of that earlier with so many things going on

[@irou95]

There's so many counters to this strategy.... Mass mangos could easily clear archers behind and on stone walls. They can also kill trebs and walls slowly if necessary. Mass cannons beat stone walls and trebs easily, especially with culverins to counter springalds (english doesn't have culverin) Or just make trebs of your own. Even rams and MAA could work

[@adamkodish7940]

Good video. and English are very good right now I hope they will do something with the French.

[@harry0able]

French have one of the highest win rates. What do you hope they'll do with the French?

[@adamkodish7940]

@@harry0able nerf the Royal Knights

[@stylecine]

@@adamkodish7940 Well saved. They need to get rid of their worker production bonus and nerf the econ upgrade cost reduction :)

[@adamkodish7940]

@@stylecine we'll I think they should nerf the Royal Knights because the French can produce very easily Royal Knights and the can stop you from gaining gold and until you will Stop them the will kill some villagers.

[@antikrautscientist]

bombards instead of culv and springs counter this. but yeah this is a pretty strong strat

[@Bonserak23]

Its the Craft work chapel. Nice match

[@Nil-js4bf]

What's the difference between AoE2 and AoE4 that makes siege so important in the latter? And what's the difference between stone walls between the games?

[@WhoAmi2357]

I guess it boils down to efficiency. Perhaps, 1000 stones spend on walls buys you much more time in AOE4 than it would in AOE2?

[@amgong44]

Well executed and very classical

[@jeffbrowngraphics]

such a good game, that ending was amazing!

[@jaygilliland3371]

Aussie! I love your passion and knowledge of the game!

[@Vulgaris192]

"you know what? war terrible" thanks for that insight Drongo

[@13LesTadO13]

It could have been countered with raids and siege machines from red

[@Matteo_aoe]

It's a good thing you're not a game developer Drongo. Nerfing every strategy you lose from lol

[@usmanawan9391]

From where I install this game. Need link

[@zanedurante3709]

I don’t think trebs are the problem-it’s stone walls. The initial foundation completely blocks unit pathing and they’re too hard to destroy if you are behind on siege.

[@WhoAmi2357]

Simple solution, always build enough siege. Stone walls are basically trading resource for time. For the player building walls, it's purely resource negative since walls don't even "trade" with enemy resource.

[@Stelphy876]

Yeeey finally darkage meta!! i love it. So now HRE is the Portuguese of AoE2? haha. I had a similar play against HRE today, Abbasid rampush and the HRE is just shocked from the early aggression haha

[@jeffreylyons1531]

I’m LOVING the off meta style, great idea

[@the-fmk]

I use this strategy too. The only difference is I support my longbows with 6-7 monks on the stone walls. This is not "disgusting". This is a tactic!!!

[@danielandvideos8784]

What an exiting game!! I loved it

[@AkiZukiLenn]

english was abused mid game so hard , man at arms is fair and square honestly

[@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289]

Why would Core go for heavy weapons for his MAA when he was facing barely any MAA or Knights? lol

[@Ah64Jeff]

Striker played like a lil nub in the beginning but then came out with that strat lololol

[@CosmicFrogX]

It's such a struggle for the HRE with the the new patch I feel..

[@omarmyia]

This is standard play in Age of Mythology.

[@nathanmorency]

INSUFFICIENT WOOD!!!

[@lordnox69]

21 barracks is damn insane

[@pathfinderwotr747]

You can do something similar like this with rus.

[@sethmcdaniels5227]

Mangos firing over walls has got to happen.

[@martinsleight321]

What a game. Fantastic siege warfare.

[@MrBumbo90]

What a game! Really fun!

[@JustJustKen]

Can somebody explain why it is called a "Custard Game"?

[@kyleegginton5884]

It's just how he says " casted game" and it's also a joke

[@JustJustKen]

@@kyleegginton5884 That makes a lot more sense. lol

[@kyleegginton5884]

Glad I could help you

[@Ebb0Productions]

I think that was quite beautiful to be honest

[@ReinhardvonHolst]

Wooooo! Just fantastic.

[@maunaowakea777]

dark age men at arms for english has not yet done anything, not even stall age up.

[@barsni4779]

Never let your wood drop!

[@karlfreiha2343]

wow man this is a good game if there is one

[@lastoompaloompa3306]

Drongo, love content please switch from current resources to income per minute during commentary it’s much more helpful

[@session182]

ahah you gave it all with the last part of the coment xd gg

[@Matteo_aoe]

I too got walled a week ago as French. In the mountain pass. Nth I could do abt it

[@henriks4235]

just build some rams and fill them with men at arms

[@blackhatson13]

This is disgusting. I LOVE IT

[@bill123f2]

Wtf 🤣🤣🤣 no wood

[@elspaghete9069]

I bet that the English guy can't even look at his feet

[@mensakachun]

Very fun game

[@nick_mills]

“War=terrible”

[@PrintMeCa]

The English age 4 definsiv land mark needs a nerf

[@bomah3486]

i love your content

[@johnnyforz]

Rams and catapults....

[@R___________________]

Question: How much wood does one need to finish them off? Answer : OVER 9000 10/10 was a fun game to watch thanks for awesome commentating, new to 4 and also aoe ranked, trying to learn the english. I see where I've been lacking lolol

[@Carlo-se7uz]

That's skill

[@Joseph-ld8um]

epic english play

[@Astrojamus]

i told my bro about this strat a week ago

[@seyittumturk3769]

guday felas

[@master_branch]

They should nerf stone walls

[@VzlaLeo]

Haha 300 IQ but i think at a certain range from enemy base you should not be able to wall

[@adeemirics8988]

lol

[@Therover19]

🍮🍮🍮

[@Bemoeiniet]

Stop saying landsconnects lol its a LANDSKNECHT 😂

[@BoredChemist]

I'd appreciate it if you kept the slurs out of the videos mate

[@falldarerise3707]

HRE are in Rome not Germany.... Drongo i lova ya but these terms refer to 2 different civs. English are more German due to angol-saxon

[@adzthesaint]

What? Of course they’re not.

[@falldarerise7775]

@@adzthesaint I guess I’m referring to an earlier time frame and forgot how the HRE controlled an expanded much into Northern Europe

[@adzthesaint]

@@falldarerise7775 I’m still not sure what you mean. The HRE was always German - from its very first king until it’s dissolution by napoleon. When was is HQ’d in Rome?

[@falldarerise7775]

@@adzthesaint ignore my comments I’m wrong

[@adzthesaint]

@@falldarerise7775 no worries!

[@josemartinezhenriquez1820]

I guess only the civs you want can win and not been disgusting thats what i dont like about you, all time you complain about literally everything.

[@hugh_content]

Yo drong get back to playing aoe3. Aoe4 is putrid.

[@lordnox69]

berk shire palace not barksheer palace :P its more like berk and then shire the place where the hobbits are from in the lord of the rings the shire (noooope he is right and i am wrong lol) i think i watch your videos more than i play the game most weeks

[@SirZorgulon]

Lol it absolutely is not. Drongo’s is the correct English pronunciation.

[@lordnox69]

@@SirZorgulon lol well than i just looked it up lol im not British so not used to the old English i assumed by the spelling

[@SirZorgulon]

@@lordnox69 no worries! assuming by how it’s spelled isn’t how it works in Britain unfortunately ;)

[@adzthesaint]

See ‘Leicestershire’ for a cracking example.